Board Guild Meeting 15th Feb 2009 - Transcript

[Moon Adamant]

[11:17] Moon Adamant: ok, we have quorum
[11:17] Moon Adamant: i suggest we start
[11:17] Sudane Erato: i violated the primary rule for managing parcels... CHECK THE PRIM LOAD
[11:17] Moon Adamant: please remember this meeting is transcripted
[11:17] Moon Adamant: and do click the green cube for agenda
[11:18] Moon Adamant: ok, point 1
[11:18] Moon Adamant: 1. Info point: Faculty WG meetings
[11:18] Moon Adamant: Jon has called two faculty meetings
[11:19] Moon Adamant: or better, two faculty discussion workgroup meetings, which are free to all to participate
[11:19] Moon Adamant: more info on:
[11:19] Moon Adamant: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2347
[11:20] Rose Springvale: hi sonja
[11:20] Moon Adamant: this discussion is extremely important, as we have seen
[11:20] Sonja Strom: Hi
[11:20] Naftali Torok: hi arria & sonja
[11:20] Moon Adamant: hi Sonja, welcome :
[11:20] Moon Adamant: and Arria
[11:20] Arria Perreault: Hi all
[11:20] Sudane Erato: hi hi
[11:20] Moon Adamant: please recall the meeting is logged and tyhe agenda is in the green box
[11:20] Naftali Torok: giggles
[11:20] Moon Adamant: i was just on point one
[11:21] Naftali Torok: doesnot directly recognizes sonja
[11:21] Moon Adamant: Faculty discussion meetings
[11:21] Moon Adamant: which Jon has called
[11:21] Moon Adamant: more info at
[11:21] Moon Adamant: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2347
[11:21] Moon Adamant: point 2
[11:21] Moon Adamant: 2. Info point: Guild Finances
[11:21] Rose Springvale: yay
[11:22] Moon Adamant: Sudane has kindly posted the Guild Finance sheet
[11:22] Moon Adamant: here:
[11:22] Rose Springvale: oops, sits on hands
[11:22] Moon Adamant: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2339
[11:22] Sudane Erato:
[11:22] Moon Adamant: dunno if Sudane wants to comment or someone has questions?
[11:23] Sudane Erato: only that the sheet has been there since I was given the job... intended to be very simple... and qustions always welcome!
[11:23] Rose Springvale: no questions
[11:23] Moon Adamant: questions?
[11:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: congratulations to the Guild, such solid finances!
[11:24] Rose Springvale: lets go shopping...
[11:24] Moon Adamant: for the newly arrived, the Guild does money through:
[11:24] Sonja Strom: yeah!!
[11:24] Moon Adamant: 1. private donations
[11:24] Sudane Erato: not really much "traffic" in the foiances
[11:24] Moon Adamant: 2. Auction Events
[11:24] Moon Adamant: 3. Comission on Guild projects
[11:25] Moon Adamant: its only expenses so far are the tier of this building
[11:25] Solomon Mosely: does the guild do any non cds projects?
[11:25] Sudane Erato: yes... and "system" charges
[11:25] Moon Adamant: not yet
[11:25] Sonja Strom has found a very nice model of a section of the Great Wall of China for sale
[11:25] Sudane Erato:
[11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: iRL???
[11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[11:25] Moon Adamant: plans for expansion include
[11:25] Sonja Strom: iSL
[11:25] Solomon Mosely: lol
[11:26] Moon Adamant: as the CDS goes bigger and we get more work, or when we start getting non-CDS work
[11:26] Moon Adamant: the payment of the Heads of Dep
[11:26] Rose Springvale: hmmm
[11:26] Moon Adamant: and in a future, a bigger parcel for Guild in some new sim
[11:27] Moon Adamant: seeing that this build here borrows prims from NFS' common prim fund
[11:27] Sudane Erato: ahh... yes
[11:27] Moon Adamant: build and classrooms
[11:27] Rose Springvale: a sadly impoverished fund at that
[11:27] Sonja Strom: The classrooms in the sky might be part of the issue there.
[11:27] Moon Adamant:
[11:28] Rose Springvale: 452 available in all NFS
[11:28] Sudane Erato: yes, they are... but they are fairly econoimical..
[11:28] Sudane Erato: its mostly this build
[11:28] Sonja Strom: ok
[11:28] Rose Springvale: i'm terribly concerned about oktobefest
[11:28] Moon Adamant: well Rose
[11:28] Rose Springvale: this is only a couple hundred though, not enough to solve the issue
[11:28] Moon Adamant: one thing that we can do
[11:28] Sonja Strom: I really think we should recondisder the Schloss.
[11:28] Moon Adamant: is press the Executive to replace the Rathaus
[11:29] Moon Adamant: the Rathaus expends 800% of its prim allocation
[11:29] Rose Springvale: you mean order us to replace it?
[11:29] Rose Springvale:
[11:29] Sudane Erato:
[11:29] Moon Adamant: yes
[11:29] Sudane Erato: no
[11:29] Rose Springvale: no?
[11:29] Sudane Erato: request the exceutive to order US tpo replace it
[11:29] Rose Springvale: smile
[11:29] Moon Adamant: lol, yes
[11:29] Rose Springvale: shall we make a motion for that?
[11:29] Moon Adamant: not yet
[11:29] Sonja Strom: How many prims does the Rathaus use?
[11:30] Moon Adamant: oh sonja
[11:30] Moon Adamant: LOTS
[11:30] Solomon Mosely: and pay for it?
[11:30] Sonja Strom: More than the Schloss?
[11:30] Moon Adamant: let me look for the correct number
[11:30] Sudane Erato: well... guys... we really need an analysis
[11:30] Sonja Strom: ok
[11:30] Moon Adamant: no, but you see
[11:30] Moon Adamant: the schloss is a huge parcel
[11:30] Sudane Erato: of every parcel owned by LV
[11:30] Rose Springvale: didn't we get that from brian already?
[11:30] Moon Adamant: we did make that analysis
[11:30] Rose Springvale: the government workspace one?
[11:30] Moon Adamant: yes, exactly
[11:30] Sudane Erato: the data is on the CDS Master charts
[11:31] Moon Adamant: and not only that Sudane
[11:31] Sudane Erato: the capacities, at least
[11:31] Moon Adamant: brian listed down exactly what each LV building in NFS takes
[11:31] Sudane Erato: the usage can be gotten easily
[11:31] Moon Adamant: just a sec and i'll give you the figures
[11:31] Sonja Strom: Thank you
[11:31] Sudane Erato: great
[11:31] Sonja Strom: I'm not sure where that is located.
[11:32] Rose Springvale: i'll find the link
[11:32] Moon Adamant: ok, here it goes:
[11:32] Moon Adamant: Plot Size & Prim Count: Rathaus plot - 288 m2 - 65 prims supported - holding 568 prims (874%!)
[11:32] Moon Adamant: schloss:
[11:33] Moon Adamant: Plot Size & Prim Count: The schloss actually sits on 2 plots:
Schloss Neufreistadt - 1856 m2 area - 424 prims supported - holding 586 prims.
1290 Kendrastrasse - 512 m2 area - 117 prims supported - holding 164 prims.
Total plot area: 2362 m2; Total prim allowance: 541; total prims present: 750 (138%)
[11:33] Moon Adamant: so as you can see
[11:33] Moon Adamant: it's far easier to relieve the prim count by working on the rathaus than on the schloss
[11:33] Moon Adamant: THOUGH
[11:34] Moon Adamant: the schloss needs to be finished
[11:34] Moon Adamant: AND
[11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes
[11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[11:34] Rose Springvale: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcjmkdmz_13gjs6vxcm
[11:34] Sudane Erato: well.... everywhere... prims can be removed, with no loss of function
[11:34] Moon Adamant: both buildings are a MESS of permissions, ownerships, etc
[11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Rose!
[11:34] Sonja Strom: Thank you both!
[11:34] Moon Adamant: i'll have a talk with the Executive
[11:34] Sonja Strom: Moon and Rose.
[11:35] Moon Adamant: and suggest that the intervention here could be following
[11:36] Moon Adamant: the intervention on CN
[11:36] Moon Adamant: which leads us nicely to point 3
[11:36] Sudane Erato: we could also buy back prim parcels
[11:36] Moon Adamant: if there's any for sale, of course
[11:36] Sudane Erato: well... or abandoned
[11:36] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:37] Moon Adamant: but mind you that i estimate we can reduce rathaus by 50%
[11:37] Moon Adamant: and that's 300 prims that are fixed into the city's prim count
[11:37] Rose Springvale: yes, but even then ...
[11:38] Rose Springvale: we like to havre about 1000 prims open for events, not including the event prinms, right Sudane?
[11:38] Sudane Erato: oh yes!!
[11:38] Sonja Strom gave you Le Mont Saint-Michel, Mont Saint Michel (160, 104,.
[11:38] Rose Springvale: so even if we eliminate the rathaus, we are in trouble for oktoberfest
[11:38] Moon Adamant: thanks Sonja
[11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yhes at least....
[11:38] Rose Springvale: (whispers new sim new sim)
[11:38] Moon Adamant: yes, but you'll be better
[11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[11:38] Naftali Torok: lol
[11:39] Sudane Erato: i really propose that we first build on Brian's analysis
[11:39] Rose Springvale: ah i've another one too to look at sonja
[11:39] Sudane Erato: and after that, develop a plan
[11:39] Solomon Mosely: is there any value to cherry-picking all public land for excess?
[11:39] Moon Adamant: and mind you that the Tourism office can pass into Rathaus... thus freeing a parcel and a few prims more, etc
[11:39] Sonja Strom: I have others too
[11:39] Sudane Erato: exactly Solomon
[11:39] Sudane Erato: i think so
[11:40] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:40] Solomon Mosely: some controlled burn of the forest?
[11:40] Moon Adamant: no lol
[11:40] Sudane Erato:
[11:40] Sonja Strom: hehee
[11:41] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:41] Moon Adamant: point 3
[11:41] Moon Adamant: 3. CN City SE corner re-deployment: Workgroup and assignment of tasks
[11:41] Moon Adamant: As you may have seen
[11:42] Moon Adamant: the Exec has approved our budget for re-deploying the CN City SE corner as according to the published plans
[11:42] Moon Adamant: it is now the time to form the workgroup working on it
[11:42] Moon Adamant: as we already have a volunteer for doing the garden plot: Solomon
[11:42] Sonja Strom: Yay!!
[11:42] Sudane Erato: great
[11:42] Sonja Strom: He did great work on the dancing place yesterday.
[11:43] Moon Adamant: i will ask Sudane to do the terraform task
[11:43] Moon Adamant: indeed he did
[11:43] Sudane Erato: ok
[11:43] Solomon Mosely: (irebuilt it, so if you'd like to see what it was supoossed to look like......)
[11:43] Rose Springvale: oh good, thanks!
[11:43] Moon Adamant: we really don't know how is the terrain under that
[11:43] Rose Springvale: i want pics
[11:43] Sonja Strom: yeah, heard about that...
[11:43] Solomon Mosely: messy
[11:43] Solomon Mosely: got themn
[11:43] Moon Adamant: so now i want volunteers for teh two parcels
[11:43] Sudane Erato: the terrain will be np
[11:44] Moon Adamant: Ah, sudane and Somon
[11:44] Solomon Mosely: i'd like to take ashot
[11:44] Moon Adamant: i have here a texture with the dimensions of the plots
[11:44] Moon Adamant: at the parcels too?
[11:44] Solomon Mosely: sure, at least one maybe
[11:44] Solomon Mosely: i know lilith wants to to
[11:44] Solomon Mosely accepted your inventory offer.
[11:45] Sudane Erato accepted your inventory offer.
[11:45] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:45] Moon Adamant: then the workgroup is then
[11:45] Moon Adamant: Solomon, Sudane, Lilith, myself (as usual)
[11:45] Moon Adamant: anyone else'
[11:45] Moon Adamant: ?
[11:45] Rose Springvale: you all will be great
[11:45] Rose Springvale:
[11:46] Moon Adamant: thre is a side issue also
[11:46] Solomon Mosely: ã‹¡ ã‹¡ ã‹¡ ã‹¡ ã‹¡
[11:46] Solomon Mosely: yes, we will rose... ã‹¡
[11:46] Moon Adamant: the contest Symo proposed for textures
[11:46] Moon Adamant: who wants to organize that?
[11:46] Solomon Mosely: oh yes, any submissions yet?
[11:46] Rose Springvale: smile
[11:46] Rose Springvale: did i read that jamie increased the budget on that?
[11:46] Moon Adamant: i dunno, actually, did he?
[11:47] Rose Springvale: lets look thought that was in his approval
[11:47] Moon Adamant: ah yes
[11:48] Moon Adamant: he says
[11:48] Moon Adamant: 3. Add L$3000 for acquisition (if possible) of two uniform, freely distributable textures for cardo builds, as discussed in the Guild threads about the "look" of the CN Forum area.
[11:48] Rose Springvale: there you go
[11:48] Rose Springvale: so we make that the prize?
[11:48] Moon Adamant: yes, we can
[11:48] Rose Springvale: if no one else wants to organize the contest i can
[11:48] Moon Adamant: what says our Finance Head?
[11:48] Moon Adamant: yay Rose
[11:48] Rose Springvale: i won't be making textures anyway
[11:49] Sudane Erato: oh... is that from the NG, or from the CDS budget?
[11:49] Rose Springvale: no
[11:49] Rose Springvale: i think CDS
[11:49] Moon Adamant: just a sec
[11:49] Moon Adamant: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... =15#p12930
[11:49] Rose Springvale: add 3000
[11:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: CDSwould make more sense...?
[11:49] Rose Springvale: yes
[11:49] Sudane Erato: yes
[11:49] Sudane Erato: i'm sure its fine
[11:49] Sonja Strom: I would support the CDS paying for that.
[11:50] Sonja Strom: If you would like me to propose a bill in the RA, I will.
[11:50] Moon Adamant: from what i read, Jamie is apportioning 3k just for that
[11:50] Rose Springvale: i think it's chancellor
[11:50] Rose Springvale: and i think he's already approved, no need to take to RA
[11:50] Moon Adamant: yes
[11:50] Sonja Strom: ok
[11:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah sure.... if Jamie is saying so... it's the CDS' budget; the Chancellor cannot order the Guild to spend money hehe
[11:50] Rose Springvale: smile
[11:50] Rose Springvale: he can try
[11:50] Moon Adamant: shhhh
[11:50] Sudane Erato: hehe
[11:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: he can TRY!
[11:50] Solomon Mosely: perhaps a workgroup field trip series for the nfs crew would be in order
[11:50] Moon Adamant: don't tell him about our finance sheet :9
[11:51] Rose Springvale: smile
[11:51] Solomon Mosely: heh, oops
[11:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehehehee
[11:51] Rose Springvale: we have plannnnnnns
[11:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Sol
[11:51] Rose Springvale: hehe
[11:51] Arria Perreault: when the new C15 will be ready?
[11:51] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:51] Solomon Mosely: you can ahh ignore that
[11:51] Rose Springvale: so if no one else wants to do the contest... i'll get with symo to make sure it fits what he wants?
[11:51] Moon Adamant: Arria, C15 isn't contemplated in the budget
[11:51] Arria Perreault: I know
[11:52] Arria Perreault: I would like to know when I can start to work
[11:52] Moon Adamant: seeing it is in good conditions and doesn't require work to re-deploy that area
[11:52] Arria Perreault: and to pay the new fee
[11:52] Moon Adamant: oh, when you buy it lol
[11:52] Moon Adamant: you can start immediately
[11:52] Sudane Erato: i'll reparcel...
[11:52] Arria Perreault: so when it will be for sale?
[11:52] Sudane Erato: perhaps today
[11:53] Moon Adamant: Sudane, C15 is for sale?
[11:53] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:53] Sudane Erato: hmmm... i don't know
[11:53] Arria Perreault: well I buy only the former C14
[11:53] Moon Adamant: you two arrange that between yourselves, sn Rudeen
[11:53] Moon Adamant: and*
[11:53] Arria Perreault: and the two parcels are merged
[11:53] Moon Adamant: C15 is totally empty
[11:53] Moon Adamant: i know, i always fall there when i teleport to CN....
[11:54] Sudane Erato: well, the two parcels will not be merged... they will rmeain 2
[11:54] Arria Perreault: really?
[11:54] Sudane Erato: as on the map Moon just gave us
[11:54] Arria Perreault: on the map, it's one parcel
[11:54] Arria Perreault: I have seen at our meeting
[11:54] Sudane Erato: oh... maybe i'm confused then
[11:54] Solomon Mosely: mon, about the map
[11:54] Rose Springvale: its the old cleopatry parcel su
[11:54] Moon Adamant: no, they're two
[11:54] Solomon Mosely: moon
[11:54] Rose Springvale: that she's talking about
[11:54] Rose Springvale: it merges with hers she owns now
[11:54] Moon Adamant: but if they're on same group....
[11:55] Sudane Erato: i see
[11:55] Rose Springvale: the redeployment has two
[11:55] Rose Springvale: arria is right, per the map we approved
[11:55] Sudane Erato: I can't merge anything not owned by Rudeen
[11:55] Rose Springvale: ahh
[11:55] Rose Springvale: watch her, she returns prims
[11:55] Sudane Erato: so it will have to be re-possessed
[11:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
[11:55] Sudane Erato: )
[11:55] Moon Adamant: yes, because teh redployment is concerned specifically with solving the white elephant thingy
[11:55] Arria Perreault: the parcel I have now?
[11:55] Arria Perreault: I see
[11:55] Rose Springvale: arria
[11:55] Rose Springvale: the easiest thing for you is to not merch parcels
[11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
[11:56] Rose Springvale: just buy the new one and it will merge on its own
[11:56] Arria Perreault: I see
[11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[11:56] Sudane Erato: if the parcel you have now must be in any way changed... then it must be repossessed first
[11:56] Moon Adamant: but assign them to same group
[11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes.
[11:56] Arria Perreault: CDS can do that when I sell them
[11:56] Arria Perreault:
[11:56] Rose Springvale: or the same name, doens't have to be group
[11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: you'll still get the prims that way
[11:56] Arria Perreault: I have to buy for a group so
[11:56] Sudane Erato: guys... we have to end up what is shown on Moons drawing
[11:56] Sudane Erato: can't have mini bits
[11:56] Rose Springvale: sudane
[11:56] Arria Perreault: can anyone help me to do things properly?
[11:57] Moon Adamant: sure Arria
[11:57] Rose Springvale: can rudeen join her group?
[11:57] Rose Springvale: oh nm
[11:57] Moon Adamant: what you do is buy C15 and place it in teh same group as C14
[11:57] Rose Springvale: i'm talking too much
[11:57] Sudane Erato: yes
[11:57] Arria Perreault: C14 is not in a group now
[11:57] Moon Adamant: that way, you can prim pump from one to another np
[11:57] Arria Perreault: but I can do that
[11:57] Sudane Erato: once the two are parceled the way they should be
[11:57] Sudane Erato: yes
[11:57] Moon Adamant: Sudane, btw
[11:58] Moon Adamant: this plan allows for more room for the temple
[11:58] Sudane Erato: yes, thank god
[11:58] Moon Adamant: you'll have to check what is happening there as well
[11:58] Sudane Erato: yes... i will
[11:58] Solomon Mosely: that remoinds me moon
[11:58] Arria Perreault: can you prepare it for sale to me today or tomorrow?
[11:59] Sudane Erato: almost certainly, yes
[11:59] Moon Adamant: yes Solomon?
[11:59] Arria Perreault: ok
[11:59] Solomon Mosely: there are still two measurements needed for the north south lines of c 12 and 13
[11:59] Arria Perreault: thank you
[11:59] Moon Adamant: no, not needed
[11:59] Solomon Mosely: really?
[11:59] Moon Adamant: yes
[11:59] Arria Perreault: I have a question regarding law
[11:59] Moon Adamant: ypou see that the alley, garden aligns by the current road
[11:59] Moon Adamant: and the cardo facades align by the cardo
[12:00] Moon Adamant: so what you get is what is in teh middle
[12:00] Moon Adamant: this is teh correct way to do dimensioning
[12:00] Arria Perreault: is there a minimal price when we intend to sell a land? or can we make bargain in order to attract someone?
[12:00] Solomon Mosely: ok, i was going to start a model off the parcel so i was needing rhat
[12:00] Sudane Erato: no minimum price
[12:00] Solomon Mosely: i'll just got take it myself
[12:00] Moon Adamant: ok, i can give you that measurement for reference
[12:00] Moon Adamant: one sec
[12:00] Arria Perreault: thank you
[12:00] Solomon Mosely: ty
[12:01] Rose Springvale: i sell my lands for less all the time
[12:01] Arria Perreault: ok
[12:01] Arria Perreault: I don't intend to make benefit anyway
[12:01] Rose Springvale: no rules on what you sell for here. just waht cds sells for
[12:02] Moon Adamant: Solomon: North-south dimension of plot C13: 36 metres
[12:02] Moon Adamant: and here i now make the usual warning....
[12:02] Moon Adamant: all measures to be checked on the works
[12:02] Solomon Mosely: kk, ty
[12:02] Moon Adamant: but it must be right´
[12:03] Solomon Mosely: you mean,...... accurate?
[12:03] Sudane Erato: yes... and also... please pay CLOSE attention to parcel lines
[12:03] Moon Adamant: yes
[12:03] Solomon Mosely: ok, np, ty.
[12:03] Sudane Erato: and make sure prims are on the parcel they belong on
[12:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[12:04] Moon Adamant: ok
[12:04] Moon Adamant: to finish this point
[12:04] Rose Springvale: what group do they buid with in CN?
[12:04] Rose Springvale: build
[12:04] Moon Adamant: Colonia Nova Builders
[12:04] Sudane Erato: the group is Colonia Nova
[12:04] Sudane Erato: oh
[12:04] Sudane Erato: the land is all owned by CN
[12:05] Moon Adamant: yes
[12:05] Moon Adamant: actually, CN is a bit of a mess
[12:05] Moon Adamant: because we have land that belongs to CN
[12:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and NFS lol
[12:05] Sudane Erato: yes... and i'm not sure there's much we can do to fix that
[12:05] Moon Adamant: which allowed a certain Rep last term to ban a visitor...
[12:05] Moon Adamant: but some builds are in CN builders group
[12:05] Rose Springvale: maybe we should just bite the bullet and change it
[12:06] Moon Adamant: in my opinion
[12:06] Rose Springvale: before it gets worse
[12:06] Moon Adamant: we should start building everything in LV group
[12:06] Rose Springvale: i agree
[12:06] Sudane Erato: not sure we can, Rose... for the very issue of my awful screw up yesterday
[12:06] Rose Springvale: but if we go parcel by parcel and save the builds
[12:06] Sudane Erato: maybe
[12:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: pack them first? mmh
[12:06] Sudane Erato: its a real headache
[12:06] Rose Springvale: yes
[12:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes...
[12:07] Rose Springvale: but we need archives anyway to be right
[12:07] Sudane Erato: true
[12:07] Moon Adamant: well, you don't want to pack teh white elpehant?
[12:07] Rose Springvale putting her admin hat on
[12:07] Rose Springvale: no, its gone thogh
[12:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: true, rose....
[12:07] Moon Adamant: elephant
[12:07] Sudane Erato: mostly gone
[12:08] Rose Springvale: will be all gone when we do this redeploy though
[12:08] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:08] Moon Adamant: and good riddance
[12:08] Moon Adamant:
[12:08] Sudane Erato:
[12:08] Rose Springvale: now girls
[12:08] Moon Adamant: ehehehe
[12:08] Moon Adamant: ok, what i suggest is
[12:08] Moon Adamant: to try and start normalizing stuff
[12:09] Moon Adamant: let's build this in LV
[12:09] Moon Adamant: and as we move along the IP license thingy
[12:09] Moon Adamant: we can also ask people to move stuff to LV
[12:09] Sudane Erato: *sigh*
[12:09] Moon Adamant: thus freeing two of my precious group slots
[12:10] Sudane Erato: so long as the builds stay within the parcel capacity
[12:10] Solomon Mosely: )
[12:10] Rose Springvale: reminds solomon and lil in absentia to reveiw the license agreement
[12:10] Sudane Erato: in that same vein... in dealing with a griefer yesterday..
[12:10] Sudane Erato: it became very clear to me
[12:11] Sudane Erato: that we really MUST make all the CDS on estate
[12:11] Sudane Erato: *one estate
[12:11] Moon Adamant: ok
[12:11] Sudane Erato: and maybe we can move on that too
[12:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh
[12:11] Rose Springvale: good idea
[12:11] Moon Adamant: i think we should take the chance to try and do both things
[12:11] Rose Springvale: that's a free change at LL level isnt' it Sudane?
[12:11] Rose Springvale: estate name?
[12:11] Moon Adamant: though the one estate thingy is really an executive issue
[12:11] Sudane Erato: i think so
[12:11] Rose Springvale: i think so too
[12:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I actually thought that was done ... silly me
[12:12] Sudane Erato: yes, perhaps... but the problem is a Guild kind of issue
[12:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, that really *has* to be a priority!
[12:12] Sudane Erato: no... it remains 4 estates
[12:12] Rose Springvale: so we can add that to our exectutive request
[12:12] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:12] Sudane Erato: we need a name
[12:12] Rose Springvale: CDS?
[12:12] Rose Springvale:
[12:12] Moon Adamant: Lanverwalthingy
[12:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: of course!
[12:12] Sudane Erato:
[12:12] Sudane Erato: hahahaha
[12:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: nooo CDS, Moon
[12:13] Rose Springvale: will that fit the naming rules?
[12:13] Rose Springvale: can't spell out, two word limit
[12:13] Sudane Erato: not sure what the minimum is
[12:13] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:13] Moon Adamant: ok
[12:13] Sudane Erato: "Democratic Sims" ?
[12:14] Moon Adamant: for example, good name
[12:14] Moon Adamant: ok ok
[12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: how long can it be?
[12:14] Moon Adamant: so
[12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry
[12:14] Rose Springvale: lets research for next meeting?
[12:14] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:15] Moon Adamant: yes, please
[12:15] Moon Adamant: ok, methodology now
[12:15] Sonja Strom: Confederationof DemocraticSimulators
[12:15] Rose Springvale: short agenda not though ll
[12:15] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:15] Solomon Mosely: well, rose, what would you want for marketing purposes?
[12:15] Moon Adamant: I understand Solomon wants to do some models
[12:15] Moon Adamant: and possibly Lilith wants too
[12:15] Rose Springvale: we need to coordinate with the structure wg.
[12:15] Moon Adamant: so,when you're ready to start building
[12:16] Rose Springvale: if we were to incorporate, should be the same
[12:16] Moon Adamant: call me, and i'll ask the Chancellor to remove any remains of the elephant
[12:16] Moon Adamant: and invite you to the LW group
[12:16] Moon Adamant: bear in mind as you build
[12:16] Rose Springvale: i think i've done that
[12:16] Rose Springvale: LV invite
[12:16] Moon Adamant: that you'll have to make a package later on to deliver to the Content Archivist
[12:17] Solomon Mosely: ok, well, whats there can stay till we have finished product i think
[12:17] Moon Adamant: ok, np
[12:17] Solomon Mosely: i dont think we should have half builds there
[12:17] Moon Adamant: so it's a good idea to link as you build, etc - saves time for later on
[12:17] Solomon Mosely: right
[12:17] Moon Adamant: anything, call me
[12:17] Moon Adamant: ok, point 4
[12:18] Moon Adamant: 4. Info centre: business directory
[12:18] Moon Adamant: Rose, as this was your request
[12:18] Rose Springvale: yes
[12:18] Moon Adamant: would you mind to introduce the point?
[12:18] Rose Springvale: Sure
[12:19] Rose Springvale: for the last two terms we've been tryign to get an infocenter that can be used efficiently in each sim, and be available for the exec team to use in out of CDS events
[12:19] Rose Springvale: we have a wg convened, that had a long wish list
[12:19] Moon Adamant nods
[12:19] Rose Springvale: and on it were many of the items that are under discussion now, as far as business directory and map are concerned
[12:19] Rose Springvale: Brian made kiosks that are better than the system we had beforer
[12:19] Rose Springvale: but we still suffer from a lot of clutter
[12:20] Moon Adamant: yes
[12:20] Sonja Strom: I agree!
[12:20] Rose Springvale: so i'd like to see the work group reconvene to try to improve
[12:20] Moon Adamant: ok
[12:20] Rose Springvale: and incorporate the suggestions solomon has on directory
[12:20] Moon Adamant: i agree with that
[12:20] Solomon Mosely: and the others, symo was right in his last post
[12:20] Rose Springvale: i think cindy was the last chari?
[12:20] Moon Adamant: on my analysis
[12:21] Moon Adamant: yes, i think so
[12:21] Rose Springvale: when we get something we are happy with
[12:21] Moon Adamant: we had a lot of ambition for the infocentre, which delayed us
[12:21] Rose Springvale: i will ask for legislation limiting signs in the public spaces..
[12:21] Rose Springvale: bad rose
[12:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[12:21] Moon Adamant: meanwhile Brian made the placards
[12:21] Rose Springvale: and I"M the worst culprit
[12:22] Moon Adamant: but i think that the infocentre structure MUST have space
[12:22] Moon Adamant: for template signs to be added to them
[12:22] Rose Springvale: then we may want to have some eminent domain
[12:22] Rose Springvale: yes
[12:22] Moon Adamant: and for the business directory, which was already one of our objectives
[12:22] Rose Springvale: but the one brian made is small
[12:22] Rose Springvale: and the hover text.. well, not a fan
[12:22] Moon Adamant: yeah
[12:23] Moon Adamant: but hmmm
[12:23] Solomon Mosely: nope
[12:23] Moon Adamant: XY text solutions are prim consuming
[12:23] Rose Springvale: anyway, lets just reconvene and brainstorm?
[12:23] Solomon Mosely: yes
[12:23] Moon Adamant: yes, let's
[12:23] Moon Adamant: i invite Solomon to the WG as well
[12:23] Solomon Mosely: is this the same conversation to suggest street signs?
[12:23] Rose Springvale: lol
[12:23] Solomon Mosely: maos, etc....
[12:23] Moon Adamant: no, i think not lol
[12:23] Solomon Mosely: maps....
[12:24] Rose Springvale: smiles, that's the chancellors domain
[12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: like we have in NFS? it's an idea...
[12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: good point, yes
[12:24] Moon Adamant: no
[12:24] Rose Springvale: remember the fight? lol
[12:24] Solomon Mosely: yes
[12:24] Sonja Strom: I'm interested in street signs too.
[12:24] Moon Adamant: what we are discussing here
[12:24] Rose Springvale: dnate and justice and claude i think
[12:24] Moon Adamant: is specifically THIS:
[12:24] Moon Adamant: a structure
[12:24] Sudane Erato: oh... the Ashcroft signs??
[12:24] Sonja Strom: One thing I would like to do is add German to the signs in NFS.
[12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes!)
[12:24] Moon Adamant: that can be raised in ALL our sims
[12:24] Solomon Mosely: wow
[12:24] Solomon Mosely: i'm sorry.....
[12:25] Rose Springvale: you are good at this Solomon
[12:25] Solomon Mosely: ithink so
[12:25] Moon Adamant: that links to calendar, has room for signs, has room for a business directory, maps, etc
[12:25] Solomon Mosely: ã‹¡ ã‹¡ ã‹¡ ã‹¡ ã‹¡
[12:25] Solomon Mosely: ã‹¡
[12:25] Sonja Strom: Sleazy Writer gave me the graphic for them so I could work on that, but I never got further.
[12:25] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:25] Solomon Mosely: caledon sentme
[12:25] Rose Springvale: i bet!
[12:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[12:25] Sudane Erato: if you have german, you have to have all the other languages in SL
[12:25] Moon Adamant: mind you Sonja
[12:25] Moon Adamant: once the signs were all in German
[12:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes... they were...
[12:25] Moon Adamant: and people kept arguing about the spelling .9
[12:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mm hmm
[12:26] Sudane Erato: lol )
[12:26] Sonja Strom: I thought Neufreistadt was oriented toward a German-cultural perspective...
[12:26] Moon Adamant: lol, no no, you're right
[12:26] Moon Adamant: i am just warning you
[12:26] Moon Adamant: and in fact
[12:26] Rose Springvale: oh dear
[12:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[12:27] Solomon Mosely: yes, but everyone knows america rles the world.....
[12:27] Solomon Mosely: hello
[12:27] Sudane Erato:
[12:27] Sonja Strom: Well, I was thinking we could have English for international purposes, and German for cultural purposes.
[12:27] Moon Adamant: CN needs street names, LA needs street names...
[12:27] Solomon Mosely: yes moon
[12:27] Rose Springvale: even AM needs them
[12:27] Sonja Strom: So, for example, one sign could say "Marktplatz / Town Square"
[12:27] Naftali Torok: lol lets do it in dutch
[12:27] Moon Adamant: would you like to start a workgroup that could work on proposals for all that?
[12:27] Sonja Strom: hehee
[12:27] Sudane Erato: lol )
[12:27] Sudane Erato: greek!
[12:28] Solomon Mosely: i was thinking current residents could work on that for themselves
[12:28] Naftali Torok: marktplaats
[12:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles @ Naf
[12:28] Sonja Strom: Valisian!!
[12:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh my
[12:28] Naftali Torok: greek , even better
[12:28] Moon Adamant: portuguese is the 5th spoken language in the world...
[12:28] Naftali Torok: okokok
[12:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and the 2nd in SL...
[12:28] Sonja Strom: Wallser
[12:28] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:28] Naftali Torok: gel
[12:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, Bayern dialect would be appropriate
[12:28] Rose Springvale: lol are we adjourned?
[12:28] Moon Adamant: yes, we can adjourn
[12:28] Sonja Strom: uch, Boarisch
[12:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Sonja
[12:29] Moon Adamant: but i would really like to ask Sonja if she would like to head a workgroup to pick names for the streets
[12:29] Rose Springvale: moon
[12:29] Moon Adamant: this is a no-hurry job
[12:29] Sonja Strom: I would like that, yes.
[12:29] Rose Springvale: i really think we are treading on thin ice
[12:29] Rose Springvale: that is an enumerated chancellor thing
[12:29] Moon Adamant: why?
[12:29] Solomon Mosely: it wouod be nice to have for the map system tho
[12:29] Moon Adamant: oh
[12:29] Rose Springvale: as i remember from dnate's term
[12:30] Moon Adamant: hmmmm
[12:30] Rose Springvale: that
[12:30] Moon Adamant: can we present them as a suggestion?
[12:30] Rose Springvale: s what started the fight
[12:30] Naftali Torok: , smiles and excuses herself, for having been so silent, will re-read all the chat, and the urls., had to asnwer telephones as weel here last hour....but feels good to sit in here...
[12:30] Moon Adamant: ok
[12:30] Moon Adamant: then let's do this
[12:30] Sonja Strom: hehee Nafti
[12:30] Moon Adamant: i'll talk to our chancellor
[12:30] Sudane Erato: bye Naf!
[12:30] Naftali Torok: seeyu soonm sudane
[12:30] Rose Springvale: there are many people who want to name the streets, that's all i'm saying
[12:30] Solomon Mosely: bys naf
[12:31] Rose Springvale: you can sit her all day Naf!
[12:31] Rose Springvale: here*
[12:31] Naftali Torok: hehe
[12:31] Moon Adamant: and see what he thinks about the idea of people saving him the work of naming Linden Street, Elm Street, Larch Street....
[12:31] Moon Adamant: and then i'll let you know Sonja
[12:31] Sonja Strom: Maybe it could be a community effort, not just a Guild one.
[12:31] Solomon Mosely: yes sonja
[12:31] Rose Springvale: well, read the forum
[12:31] Naftali Torok: now thats a great idea
[12:31] Sudane Erato: bye all
[12:31] Rose Springvale: i suggest first
[12:31] Sonja Strom: But in whatever way I could be involved in that, I would like to.
[12:32] Naftali Torok: waves
[12:32] Sonja Strom: Bye Sudane!
[12:32] Rose Springvale: Lots of.. arguing
[12:32] Solomon Mosely: residents naming streets in their own sims
[12:32] Moon Adamant: oh, i am totally in favour that you can, for instance, interview the residents and hold small votations
[12:32] Rose Springvale: bye sudane!
[12:32] Arria Perreault: bye Sudane
[12:32] Solomon Mosely: god idea moon
[12:32] Solomon Mosely: byee su
[12:32] Rose Springvale: and actally
[12:32] Rose Springvale: there are now names in CN
[12:32] Sonja Strom: I guess if none of us could really agree, we could leave them without a name.
[12:32] Rose Springvale: and i think dnate just did it
[12:32] Solomon Mosely: ohhh, could we get linded to drop the tiers if we name some squares after them?
[12:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Unnamed Street, No Name Alley...
[12:33] Sonja Strom: hahaa
[12:33] Moon Adamant: not that i know Rose
[12:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[12:33] Moon Adamant: lol
[12:33] Solomon Mosely: Mlane
[12:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, we have haney-linden-strasse and we get a discount for NFS!!
[12:33] Naftali Torok: every activity of this kind, is important to keep the cds community i involved......
[12:33] Rose Springvale: i think there are some signs...
[12:33] Sonja Strom: Yet-To-b=Be-Named-Street
[12:33] Solomon Mosely: cmon gwen, you can get that
[12:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[12:33] Solomon Mosely: yes naf
[12:33] Naftali Torok: i just left broadway definitive , because there is no community feeling at all....
[12:33] Moon Adamant: afaik, only Cardo and Decumanum have names
[12:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Formerly Robin Linden St.?
[12:34] Rose Springvale: via main
[12:34] Moon Adamant: ah, btw, those must stay
[12:34] Rose Springvale: via lunaris ?
[12:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Moon
[12:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha rose
[12:34] Naftali Torok: ok
[12:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[12:34] Rose Springvale: i'll look, but i'm sure there are more
[12:34] Moon Adamant: ok
[12:34] Moon Adamant: motion to adjourn
[12:34] Naftali Torok: i will go, thanks for being with me....grins, and sends everyone a big hug....
[12:34] Moon Adamant: (need to go have dinner)
[12:34] Sonja Strom: ok, second
[12:34] Naftali Torok: enjoy dinner moon
[12:34] Moon Adamant: hug, Naf!
[12:35] Sonja Strom: bye Naftali!
[12:35] Rose Springvale: thanks everyone
[12:35] Moon Adamant: thank you everyone

[Jamie Palisades]

I do not always attend Guild meetings. But I do try to read the transcripts.
So here are a few comments, in separate posts. First, in light of the following ...

[11:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah sure.... if Jamie is saying so... it's the CDS' budget; the Chancellor cannot order the Guild to spend money hehe
[11:50] Rose Springvale: smile
[11:50] Rose Springvale: he can try
[11:50] Moon Adamant: shhhh
[11:50] Sudane Erato: hehe
[11:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: he can TRY! :)

... let me assist Miss Llewelyn with her understanding. To clarify:

1. The Guild is not the government. It is an NGO.
2. The CDS government approves or denies proposed to build things in CDS - from the Guild or otherwise. The executive (that's me) usually does this, which the RA can override that if it wishes.
3. In this case, there was a Guild proposal to redevelop the CN City SE corner. I approved it: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 930#p12930
4. It was made conditional. Yes, I can. And I did. The conditions have nothing to do with the textures, though.
5. The approval also included, and funded, a request that the Guild obtain some uniform textures, as several Guild members suggested:

Add L$3000 for acquisition (if possible) of two uniform, freely distributable textures for cardo builds, as discussed in the Guild threads about the "look" of the CN Forum area.

If the Guild conducts a quick competition, as some members have proposed, that's great! A fine creative response.
If it doesn't happen, though, the budget's not spent, I will just confer with some Guild members about BUYING the textures, which we need, for the sake of CN Cardo uniformity.

Regards JP

[Jamie Palisades]

There was also some discussion in the Guild about selling off the parcels in the SE Corner that are in the redeveloped map.
For the sake of clarity:
1. The Guild is not the government, it is an NGO.
2. It is the government that sells CDS land.
3. It is my intent to sell the parcels along the Cardo (main commercial road) under the special rules of business development law passed last term, once their redevelopment is complete. That won't slow it down, but it does mean they will not be "yellow map" sales and will not be private arrangements.
4. So we're not going to put any more of them for sale until the Guild's redevelopment is done. We can revisit that, if the target date for redevelopment completion passes, but I have every confidence in Solomon and Lilith, who kindly have agreed to be the principal builders.

Regards JP

[Jamie Palisades]

Solomon and Lilith, please use the SL group "Colonia Nova" for building new amenities in the redeveloped SE corner.
Further changes and rationalization of the groups is likely, but for now that's the safest solution.
Would all parties cease to use the group "Colonia Nova Builders" for any CDS amenities, please.

I will soon ask that, as it's convenient, current builders convert some of the existing community prims from expired groups that we are deprecating, but that's not a high priority. As several have pointed out, we have had griefer-type problems .. and improper bans ... and big, disruptive accidental returns or community builds .. on multiple occasions. THAT is why we need to be careful with groups. Please see me directly on any land control group issues, as I am actively working to fix this.

Regards JP

[Jamie Palisades]

On the reassessment of Neufreistadt Rathaus prims, please see:

http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 990#p12990

Regards JP