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Role of the GMP: Four Questions

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This thread refers back to the report Gwyn and I made to RA on March 1 (and which I have cross-posted here http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2364 ).

The four questions for discussion:

a. Who in government should have prime responsibility for maintaining GMP?
b. How should the maintenance process work? (who proposes, who approves, how often, etc.)
c. What role do we want the GMP to play in acquisition/development of new sims? Binding? Non-binding? "Advisory?"
d. How should the role of GMP be implemented? Is new code required? How would the balance of power between the branches of government be affected if we added a new Code?

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a. Who in government should have prime responsibility for maintaining GMP?

GMP and expansion are an important issue in CDS. The reponsibilities concerning GMP must be shared between the different branches, some interested NGO (not only the New Guild) and also with the citizen. In my point of view, the responsibilities could be so:

- RA: designing an expansion policy, approving GMP and any project of expansion
- executive: implementation of the policy designed by the RA and of any other RA decisions
- SC: as usual
- Guild: technical advice, designing of the GMP
- other NGO and citizen: projects of expansion
- citizen: referendum right

I strongly believe that projects of expansion must be done by citizen and the different active NGO of CDS (or from outside). I don't think that the executive branch or the RA have the time to design new sims. Encouraging citizen and NGO to start projects of expansion can produce a new dynamic of expansion. The RA gives the general raster and the GMP is a tool and not a law. The GMP is subject to change.
If CDS doesn't decide to open the process more largely and to give a better role to private initiative, I am affraid that our land will stay as it is now for a long time. And everybody knows that there is at least one pending project of expansion.

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b. How should the maintenance process work? (who proposes, who approves, how often, etc.)

Let the people propose, as it is in real world. As far as I know, the state doesn't build the houses and buildings for people and offices. This is the role of promoters. The state give only good conditions.
The process starts again when a new proposal come. If the proposal fits the GMP, no need to discuss a long time.

c. What role do we want the GMP to play in acquisition/development of new sims? Binding? Non-binding? "Advisory?"

The GMP is not a law. It is a tool (advisory). It is subject to change.

d. How should the role of GMP be implemented? Is new code required? How would the balance of power between the branches of government be affected if we added a new Code?

If we will an expansion, we have to give a better role to private initiative. It is the only way to expand.

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a. Who in government should have prime responsibility for maintaining GMP?

Arria's proposal sounds good.

b. How should the maintenance process work? (who proposes, who approves, how often, etc.)

I think any CDS citizen should be able to request GMP update (maybe seconded by certain amount of population) anytime and RA weight the arguments of the proposer and either accept or reject the proposal. The virtual world is on the change all the time and GMP should be able to adapt to those changes. Making it difficult to maintain the GMP would not benefit anyone.

c. What role do we want the GMP to play in acquisition/development of new sims? Binding? Non-binding? "Advisory?"

Since the role of the New Guild is advisory wouldn't it be logical that everything produced by it were also advisory...?

d. How should the role of GMP be implemented? Is new code required? How would the balance of power between the branches of government be affected if we added a new Code?

The suggestions above probably require changes to the current codes.

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Well, as always, the devil is in the details.

In response to Arria's suggestion that responsibility should be divided between RA and Chancellor, that's nice in theory, but in practice is not likely to result in any real work getting done. EITHER Chancellor or RA has to have primary responsibility, while the other becomes a sounding board and approver. That way each term we know what has to be done, when it needs to be done and who is responsible no matter who happens to sit in the chairs. My personal feeling is that the Chancellor should hold primary responsibility for the GMP. In practical terms that might mean that the Chancellor would be responsible for initiating and executing a "GMP review" every twelve months. That could involve asking Guild to participate, creating a "citizens committee," or even bringing in outside resources. The Chancellor would then present that review to the RA, and RA would be asked to approve any changes to the GMP. And of course RA members would be free to participate in the review process itself. But the primary responsibility for initiating and executing the review needs to fall in one place or it will get bogged down in politics.

Another area where the GMP really needs a primary caretaker is in terms of ongoing updates. If, as I suggested above, we do a once a year "review" of GMP, that leaves a long time in between when changes to CDS might occur. For example, we might add a new sim...or more! Someone needs to be specifically responsible for updating the GMP when CDS changes. Again, my thought is that the Chancellor is the logical place for such a responsibility to reside. It doesn't require a committee or voting, just someone who will arrange for maps, etc. to be updated to reflect reality.

Regarding proposals for expansion, anyone is certainly able to propose anything at any time. The GMP itself is a result of citizens thinking about community growth, not the arbitrary creation of a single person that dictates restrictions. It's a process, not a set of fixed rules, and it invites participation from those it affects. The purpose of the GMP is not to prevent proposals, but to provide a yardstick of sorts against which to measure proposals. A good GMP would actually encourage proposals by suggesting directions in which we might expand and encouraging those who propose to demonstrate how their proposals could fit seamlessly into the existing community. Organic growth, if you will, rather than chaotic growth. I imagine that it could streamline the process for evaluating proposals as well once we get the hang of how to use it. AND if a proposal is rejected, the GMP could also provide ideas for re-vamping a proposal so that it CAN be accepted.

Timo comments that any citizen should be able to request GMP changes at any time. My feeling is that although this sounds very democratic, it is potentially chaotic. The GMP certainly ought to be a living document. But it also needs to be an anchor for community planning. Periodically opening it up for review (perhaps every 12 months) provides a good balance between the need for change and the need for stability. And note that the GMP, like a budget, is a guide to what should be done, not an ironclad contract. If a really good idea comes up, is debated by the community, and is accepted by RA, there should be provision in whatever we put in the codes for RA to implement it. What we don't want to do is be so open that the GMP becomes a distraction, with constant reviews and commissions taking over other business in RA, the Chancellor's office and perhaps Guild as well.

Would love to hear more voices on this subject. I've been noodling over a legislative proposal but really need to hear more discussion before I'm ready to share it.

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Cindy, it seems you had all the right answers at the moment when you asked the questions... :wink:

I feel we sometimes see the GMP like a monster for some reason. After all, it's just a plan outlining the patchwork of the CDS sims (even if requiring valuable hard work). My understanding is that the GMP is currently under a major revision which seems to take time and even require redefining the process and role of it. Maybe not all the future update requests are of the same magnitude. I don't believe a minor update proposal would result chaos in the RA, anymore than a major one would either. Naturally it's possible the change requests can start piling up and maybe for that reason it can be better to have, for example, a certain annual or biannual period when the GMP is reviewed and possibly updated. Having it as a guideline (as opposite to an "ironclad") would probably motivate the maintainers to listen people carefully and keep it as a document that is valued and recognized by the community.

* Update: clarified some expressions...

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Timo Gufler wrote:

Cindy, it seems you had all the right answers at the moment when you asked the questions... :wink:

Well, I can't deny that I've done a lot of thinking about this so I certainly have some strong opinions on those questions. It was actually very interesting digging through the Code to see exactly where the GMP came into play and even more interesting when Gwyn and I sat down and talked through what we found to see where the logical endpoint of each mention of the GMP left us. I don't think either of us expected to question the role of the Guild in GMP, but discovering that only an NGO appeared to be responsible for it turned out to be right at the center of all the confusion about how the GMP should be used over the long term.

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I feel we sometimes see the GMP like a monster for some reason. After all, it's just a plan outlining the patchwork of the CDS sims (even if requiring valuable hard work). My understanding is that the GMP is currently under a major revision which seems to take time and even require redefining the process and role of it. Maybe not all the future update requests are of the same magnitude. I don't believe a minor update proposal would result chaos in the RA, anymore than a major one would either. Naturally it's possible the change requests can start piling up and maybe for that reason it can be better to have, for example, a certain annual or biannual period when the GMP is reviewed and possibly updated. Having it as a guideline (as opposite to an "ironclad") would probably motivate the maintainers to listen people carefully and keep it as a document that is valued and recognized by the community.

Yes, this seems logical to me. I suggested that reviews might be 12 months apart, but that's only one option. Certainly we wouldn't want to be reviewing and amending it every month -- that would take too much time and energy. Every 3 months? Maybe, or maybe every 6 months. We want it to be flexible, but we don't want it to take over our lives and be the only business that CDS attends to.

As far as "guideline" well, yes -- that's what the GMP is supposed to be and I don't think anyone is proposing to change that. But we have to decide what that means in practical terms. That means defining a process for using the guideline to evaluate a proposal -- and also deciding how a decision might be made to disregard the guideline. Think of the GMP as something like a budget for community development. A financial budget lays out a plan for spending financial resources. It's a guideline, and everyone agrees to adhere to it. But there are also procedures in place for spending that either goes beyond the budget in a particular category or is not included in the budget at all. I think we need something like that for the GMP as well: processes that define how the GMP comes into being, how it is used, and how it can be overridden when necessary.

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Cindy Ecksol wrote:

In response to Arria's suggestion that responsibility should be divided between RA and Chancellor, that's nice in theory, but in practice is not likely to result in any real work getting done. EITHER Chancellor or RA has to have primary responsibility, while the other becomes a sounding board and approver.

I don't think that the Chancellor can take this responsability. GMP is the result of a policy of expansion and this policy must be done by the legislative branch. Remember that the Chancellor is an executive branch, responsible for the implementation. The Chancellor can certainly organize the process of revision, but cannot take decisions regarding GMP. Only the RA can take decision and approve it.

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Regarding proposals for expansion, anyone is certainly able to propose anything at any time. The GMP itself is a result of citizens thinking about community growth, not the arbitrary creation of a single person that dictates restrictions. It's a process, not a set of fixed rules, and it invites participation from those it affects. The purpose of the GMP is not to prevent proposals, but to provide a yardstick of sorts against which to measure proposals. A good GMP would actually encourage proposals by suggesting directions in which we might expand and encouraging those who propose to demonstrate how their proposals could fit seamlessly into the existing community. Organic growth, if you will, rather than chaotic growth. I imagine that it could streamline the process for evaluating proposals as well once we get the hang of how to use it. AND if a proposal is rejected, the GMP could also provide ideas for re-vamping a proposal so that it CAN be accepted.

The current situation shows that our expansion is blocked, because we don't give people the possibility to build their projects in CDS. I am the living example of that. So the first question is: do we want a real expansion or do we want only talking about this interesting topic? I am in favour of an expansion and I think that only single citizen or small groups of citizen with good ideas have the capabilities to create and animate a new sim. See LA ... I think that there is one important condition of a new sim: a project or a small community ready to work on. My impression now is that CDS worry about losing the authority on expansion and for this reason is blocking everything.

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