Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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One of the two standing proposals CDS had received for adding a sim is the suggestion from Virtus to move the Monastery (now on Alpine Meadows) to a new openspace (reduced price) sim, directly south of Locus Amoenus. The prior discussion of this proposal can be found here:
http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2069

Advantages to CDS of returning to this proposal would include:

* An already-planned suitable terrain that adds to our mountainous Alpine character, which we know is popular and appropriate
* Filling in the visual terrain gap to the South of Locus Amoenus
* Virtus' offer, if they still are willing to proceed, to provide the investment funding either in return for the first sale revenues (essentially the same as our Private Development Act, though with ownership differences due to Linden Lab's rule changes) or with some sort of arrangement for a secondary guarantee of tier payments for the rental parcels
* The number of new tenants required to break even is fairly small (you may recall that the original map plan involved 6 or 8 small parcels clustered around a downslope water feature, in addition to the Monastery space southward up the hill
- The plan relies on selling the current Monastery space, but given the popularly of Alpine Meadows, I do not expect that to be a problem.

Here are the steps I expect we will take:

* I will, working with Sudane and others, confirm whether Virtus still is willing to proceed with the proposal and the exact terms.
* If I can obtain that confirmation by 6 April, I will plan to bring legislation to the RA posted on 7 April for its consideration at its meeting tentatively set for 12 April. I expect that legislation would include
-- the exact terms,
-- the physical location (south of LA),
-- rental rates for the new properties, likely based on average CDS per-prim rates,
-- a proposal for disposition of the present Monastery land (it's possible that it would be in CDS' interest to make it part of the bargain that this lot be re-parceled, as we have high demand for small lots in AM but very few lots),
-- written confirmation from Virtus, and
-- a schedule, with deadlines that will terminate the transaction if not met.
* Note that this schedule allows the Guild to give further views on 5 April if it wishes.

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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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Jamie,

Good work on this! I just wanted to warn you that the RA meeting of the 12th falls on Easter Sunday, so it has been brought instead to the previous week.

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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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Jamie Palisades wrote:

* I will, working with Sudane and others, confirm whether Virtus still is willing to proceed with the proposal and the exact terms.
If I can obtain that confirmation by 6 April, I will plan to bring legislation to the RA posted on 7 April for its consideration at its meeting tentatively set for 12 April. I expect that legislation would include

-- the exact terms,

(Can someone help me?)

-- the physical location (south of LA),

Monastery sim, south of LA

-- rental rates for the new properties, likely based on average CDS per-prim rates,

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... teL5pGtfIQ

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-- a proposal for disposition of the present Monastery land (it's possible that it would be in CDS' interest to make it part of the bargain that this lot be re-parceled, as we have high demand for small lots in AM but very few lots),

I think that it is a Guild's task. I find the idea of smaller plots nice. The houses behind the Monastery are very cute and popular.

-- written confirmation from Virtus, and

I confirm send a written confirmation to the Chancellor on a notecard.

-- a schedule, with deadlines that will terminate the transaction if not met.

when the sim is ready, we need one month to build the sim and move the Monastery. Work can start only after Easter. Ulysse Alexandre and I are ready to do all the work and if anyone would like to help, he/she is welcome. We will not build the houses, but let people install what they want.

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As Moon reminds us, the next RA meeting will be on the 19th nor the 12th. So that rolls back our plans a week, and I will plan to post draft legislation by the 13th. Same schedule with the AA issues.
Arria did indeed get in touch, and I am exchanging some data with her this weekend about the expectations of her group, Virtus. As I reported last week, that conversation should inform any draft legislation and plans.
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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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We will make all the necessary changes to the proposal in order to make it compatible with the last version of the New-GMP:

http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 108#p13090

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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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Dear Mr. Chancellor,

As Curator of the Monastery, I confirm you my interest in the opening of a homestead sim to install the Monastery. I confirm also that the selling of the current Monastery plot in Alpine Meadow can be used to finance this project. Doing that, I don't have to buy the plot for the Monastery on the new sim, but only pay fees like now. The plot of the Monastery on the new sim will have almost the same number of prims than on the current sim (1404). 6 other plots of 234 prims will be available for sale and future owners will get the CDS citizenship. The rest of prims will be used for landscape, infrastructure and also as public reserve for special projects, like exhibitions or events. Their use is managed by the executif branch of CDS.

The Curator of the Monastery and the CDS have to make an agreement about the way the current plot of the Monastery on Alpine Meadow will be set for sale. I would suggest an exchange of land, as the CDS maybe intends to redesign the plot of Alpine Meadow and to transform it in several small plots.

I also confirm that I am ready to pay the fees (based on CDS average prim price) of the 6 other plots for 4 months since the opening of the new sim, if they don't have an owner in this period of time. I will pay them at my own expense and not with the money of Virtus.

My proposal for fees on the new sim is here (based on prim price):

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... teL5pGtfIQ

I also confirm that Ulysse Alexandre and I, we will make the main work on this project: terraforming, landscaping, building. Sudane Erato must nevertheless organise the plots on the sim. The moving of the Monastery will also be ensured by myself. We will build landscape and infrastructure, but we will let the 6 small plots empty, so people can rez their own cottage.

My offer is valid if:
- the new sim is an homestead sim.
- the new sim is situated south to Locus Amoenus and west to Alpine Meadow. I have already contacted people working on GMP in order to make the proposal compatible.
- the name of the new sim includes the term Monastery. As definitive name, I suggest "Second Monastery"

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Alpine Meadow, April 6th 2009

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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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Here is the new relief adapted to the mountains zone of the GMP:

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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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Wonderful relief and good-looking visualization, Arria!

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Monastery expansion proposal (draft legislation)

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As I've said elsewhere, I believe that both the Monastery and Al Andalus plans are ready to be adopted, and will recommend that the RA approve them both. We are unlikely to see any other such relatively low-risk opportunities for high-quality expansion in the near future.

As I've said, I believe that for fairness reasons, this bill and the AA offer legislation should be adopted by the RA at the same time. That is my recommendation.

= = = =
DRAFT

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CDS accepts the development proposal for the Monastery sim plan as set out in Virtus' April 2009 message posted in the CDS forums at http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 395#p13159

As provided there, CDS will acquire a 'homestead' class sim, situated south to Locus Amoenus and west to Alpine Meadow, with a sim name "Second Monastery" or such other available name on which CDS government and Virtus agree. It will be terraformed in accordance with the terrain maps previously posted and reviewed by the Guild.
Parcels will be platted, rented and guaranteed as provided in the Virtus proposal.
CDS government reserves the right to re-zone and/or re-divide the current Alpine Meadows Monastery land parcel, after consultation with the Guild, before it is re-sold by Virtus, its current owner.

DRAFT ENDS

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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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This is where my confusion on sales comes from. Arria's proposal is for an exchange of land, meaning the Monastery does not pay CDS for its parcel on the new sim. Jamies reply indicates that Virtus will sell the re terraformed Monastery parcel in AM. So how is CDS reimbursed for the Monastery parcel on the new sim. Yesterday in the meeting, Jamie said that CDS would get the payment for the parcels in the new sim, and Arria confirmed her offer to guarantee the 6 parcels for 4 months. No clarification was given on the purchase price for the Monastery parcel on the new sim. I attribute this to the poor connection Arria had, and ask that the issue be clarified. The original proposal for this project had CDS providing the land to the monastery free of charge, i simply want to know if that is what is happening.

Also, when the monastery was located in Alpine meadow, the "mews" houses were created to coordinate with it. Are they just going to be left as row houses overlooking whatever the next builders create?

I'm sorry to seem like the fly in the ointment of this project that everyone else seems to want to do for Arria. As I said in the RA meeting yesterday, i support the project. But if it isn't a public project, let's be clear.

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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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Here are the terms of the project:

Virtus get its parcel on the new sim in exchange of the parcel of the Alpine Meadow sim. The RA has already asked the Guild to make a proposal of the reparcelling of this parcel. This job has been done and the result is somewhere on the forums. Then the CDS will set these parcels for sale (not Virtus). It is a bit comparable of the work of reparcelling in CN.
When the move is effective, Virtus pays the tier of the new parcel to CDS.
The new parcel is the same than the parcel of Alpine Meadow (same amount of prims).

The other parcels will be sold by CDS. The tiers will be paid to CDS. I will nevertheless pay for 4 months the tiers of these other parcels, if they don't find an owner during these four months. Doing that, I sponsor this project.

There is no public building on this sim. Noboby gets land or any advantage for free.

Ulysse and I, we will work for free on this sim and donate all constructions we will do (like bridges, roads) for free to CDS.

The basic conditions for this offer are:

- the new sim is an homestead sim.
- the new sim is situated south to Locus Amoenus and west to Alpine Meadow.
- the name of the new sim includes the term Monastery.

I think that it is hard to get better terms ...

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thank you for the clarification.

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The new sim, named "Monastery", has been purchased by Rudeen. Sadly, the area around our sims has been blocked for the addition of all new sims by the administrators of the Land Portal.

(Ths is a common problem, and usually done for a specific reason, such as limiting the addition of new sims in the general region of the United Sailing Sims. In the case of our area, I can discern no reason for this.)

So I have filed a ticket requesting a free "move" of our sim to its intended location. Hopefully that will happen quickly. I'll keep everyone up to date... although... the results should be obvious.

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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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Yeah, and wow! It's online now and has some spectacular views! Can't wait to see how the monastery looks there...

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Re: Monastery expansion proposal March 2009

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Yes, the Monastery sim exists :-)

Great snapshot, Cindy :-)

Here is a view from Locus Amoenus

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It will host soon the Monastery. There is still some work to do: terroforming,texturing, infrastructures. Ulysse Alexandre and I, we are working right now and in the following days.


Thank you to all the persons who have supported this project, who have helped to make it true.

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