RA Meeting March 29 TRANSCRIPT

[Gwyneth Llewelyn]

[8:58] Cindy Ecksol: kk
[8:58] Cindy Ecksol: didn't think to get it back from him....
[8:58] Cindy Ecksol: hi gwyn.
[8:58] Soro Dagostino: Ahhh
[8:58] Cindy Ecksol: do you happen to have a recorder you could give me?
[8:58] Soro Dagostino: Hello Gwyn
[8:59] Justice Soothsayer: try this one, Cindy. Not the usual one I use, though.
[8:59] Pip Torok: hi Soro!
[9:00] Cindy Ecksol: hmmmm....didn
[9:00] Cindy Ecksol: didn't rez!
[9:00] Cindy Ecksol: but not in my inventory....
[9:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi all (and sorry)
[9:00] Moon Adamant: brb
[9:00] Pip Torok: when youv rezzed ... HI!!!
[9:00] Cindy Ecksol: sorry?
[9:00] Agenda giver: Hello, Brian Livingston
[9:00] Soro Dagostino: Its Brian
[9:00] Agenda giver: Hello, Justice Soothsayer
[9:00] Pip Torok: hi G J B
[9:00] Soro Dagostino: Hihi
[9:01] Cindy Ecksol: oh,,,,,
[9:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... for not answering hehe
[9:01] Brian Livingston: Hi all.
[9:01] Cindy Ecksol: so DO you have a recorder? this box is empty....
[9:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: wow the chat lag is impossible!
[9:01] Cindy Ecksol: loading lag in general is bad this morning...
[9:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ã‹¡
[9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn tried to rezz a chat logger — no luck though!
[9:02] Agenda giver: Hello, Pip Torok
[9:02] Cindy Ecksol: give it a minute....VERY slow....
[9:02] Cindy Ecksol: took at least a minute to rez that box....
[9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (oh, I hadn't noticed that we have the anthem on the wall!!)
[9:02] Soro Dagostino: Hello Sonja
[9:02] Brian Livingston: Y'know, I had sorta foggten how nice it is to walk to your destinatio nas opposed to TPing.
[9:02] Agenda giver: Hello, Gwyneth Llewelyn
[9:02] Moon Adamant: back
[9:02] Cindy Ecksol: I didn't do it!!!
[9:03] Sonja Strom: hi everybody
[9:03] Moon Adamant: ok, sorry if i'll sit on anyone's lap....
[9:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi hi
[9:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[9:03] Cindy Ecksol: mmmm, especially in spring
[9:03] Brian Livingston misses the telehub days of LL, except for the laggy av-trapping bling malls
[9:03] Brian Livingston: er, SL
[9:03] Cindy Ecksol: ok, I think we have a quorum.
[9:04] Cindy Ecksol: please touch the ball on the floor for an agenda
[9:04] Soro Dagostino: Hello Rose.
[9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
[9:04] Agenda giver: Hello, Moon Adamant
[9:04] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm not sure that my chat logger works at all
[9:04] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[9:04] Cindy Ecksol: all right, then please indicate your consent to be recorded in chat
[9:05] Sonja Strom: I consent
[9:05] Moon Adamant: i consent to be recorded
[9:05] Cindy Ecksol: we will take the log from chat.
[9:05] Justice Soothsayer consents
[9:05] Soro Dagostino: I consent
[9:05] Cindy Ecksol: Gwyn, what HAVE you done????
[9:05] Brian Livingston: Sure, log away
[9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have no idea, what did I do??
[9:05] Rose Springvale: consents (and wishes cindy happy birthday
[9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I consent to be logged....
[9:05] Cindy Ecksol:
[9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (oh, happy birdthday too, Cindy!!)
[9:05] Cindy Ecksol: thanks!
[9:05] Moon Adamant: happy birsthday, Cindy!
[9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (even a properly spelled one)
[9:05] Brian Livingston: Woo, happy birthday!
[9:06] Sonja Strom: Happy Birthday!
[9:06] Soro Dagostino: Happy BD Cindy.
[9:06] Soro Dagostino: WOOT!
[9:06] Rose Springvale: and Solomon yesterday!
[9:06] Pip Torok: HAPPY BIRTHDAT Cindy!!!!
[9:06] Cindy Ecksol: happy birthday solomon!
[9:06] Solomon Mosely: ) thanks
[9:06] Cindy Ecksol: and thanks to rose for remembering and letting the cat out of th ebag
[9:06] Moon Adamant: Happy Birthday Solomon!
[9:06] Rose Springvale: hey, what are friends for!?
[9:06] Moon Adamant: hmmm.... Aries....
[9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: happy birthday too, Solomon!
[9:06] Rose Springvale:
[9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[9:06] Solomon Mosely: yea, i was just thinking that lol
[9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles @ Rose
[9:06] Pip Torok: ah ... happy Birthday Sol!
[9:06] Cindy Ecksol: I think we have consent from everyone
[9:07] Soro Dagostino: Happy Birthday Sol.
[9:07] Solomon Mosely: thank you
[9:07] Brian Livingston issues a blanket happy birthday/anniversary/new baby/ business opening greeting applicable for 30 days, starting retroactively two days ago and lasting for a period not extending past 30 days
[9:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl Bri
[9:07] Cindy Ecksol: if you don't have an agenda, please look now.
[9:07] Moon Adamant: lol
[9:07] Sonja Strom: lol
[9:07] Rose Springvale: rofl
[9:07] Justice Soothsayer: lol. sounds like BRian went to law school.
[9:07] Agenda giver: Hello, Rose Springvale
[9:07] Agenda giver: Hello, Soro Dagostino
[9:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Justice: ã‹¡
[9:07] Sonja Strom: yeah -- or marketing school
[9:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aha, the agenda works!
[9:07] Cindy Ecksol: in light of recent developments I'd like to make a small change to the top of the agenda
[9:08] Cindy Ecksol: of COURSE it works, Gwyn-- I programmed it!
[9:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-oh ...
[9:08] Agenda giver: Hello, Pip Torok
[9:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
[9:08] Agenda giver: Hello, Solomon Mosely
[9:08] Cindy Ecksol: The small change is to note that in light of Symo's resignation from RA, Simplicity Party met this week and appointed Brian Livingston to fill Symo's empty seat
[9:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[9:09] Soro Dagostino: Yay!!!
[9:09] Justice Soothsayer: congrats Brian
[9:09] Cindy Ecksol: So we need for swear Brian in.
[9:09] Pip Torok: welcome Brian!
[9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hooray, and welcome Brian!
[9:09] Rose Springvale: yay, brian!
[9:09] Moon Adamant: congrats Brian
[9:09] Soro Dagostino: Welcome back.
[9:09] Brian Livingston: Ahem... ****, I hve sworn myself in
[9:09] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: how irregular!
[9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[9:09] Cindy Ecksol: well, if I could find that notecard with the words on it I'd give it to you....
[9:09] Brian Livingston: I migth have it from last time
[9:10] Cindy Ecksol: can't remember whta I called it
[9:10] Rose Springvale: "oath?"
[9:10] Cindy Ecksol: that's what I thought...but no
[9:10] Brian Livingston: Hmm, I have the oath o the lollipop guild apparently...
[9:10] Justice Soothsayer: here it is
[9:10] Brian Livingston accepted your inventory offer.
[9:10] Cindy Ecksol: ah, "Affirmation!"
[9:10] Cindy Ecksol: thx, justice
[9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
[9:10] Justice Soothsayer: yw
[9:11] Brian Livingston: Aah, thanks all
[9:11] Cindy Ecksol: ok.
[9:11] Cindy Ecksol: so can we consider Brian properly installed?
[9:11] Soro Dagostino: So move.
[9:12] Cindy Ecksol: second?
[9:12] Justice Soothsayer: After Brian repeats the Affirmation, he'll be official.
[9:12] Cindy Ecksol: Brian, can you please repeat the affirmation?
[9:12] Brian Livingston: I, Brian Livingston, having been appointed as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hooray
[9:12] Cindy Ecksol: excellent!
[9:12] Moon Adamant applauds
[9:12] Sonja Strom claps!
[9:12] Cindy Ecksol: ok, second minor addition to the agenda
[9:12] Soro Dagostino: Yay!
[9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're pushing it, Cindy ...
[9:12] Cindy Ecksol: SP also discussed the LRA role.
[9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
[9:13] Cindy Ecksol: since Symo is now the leading vote-getter for SP in the last election, he has agreed to take on the role of LRA.
[9:13] Pip Torok claps
[9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Symo...?
[9:13] Rose Springvale: soro
[9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or Brian?...
[9:13] Cindy Ecksol: sorry -- sorry
[9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Soro!
[9:13] Cindy Ecksol: soro
[9:13] Rose Springvale:
[9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn is UTTERLY confused
[9:13] Cindy Ecksol: yes....
[9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok...
[9:14] Moon Adamant: congrats Soro
[9:14] Justice Soothsayer: see, sigh, so...
[9:14] Rose Springvale: we need a bill for the adoption of names that are not similar!
[9:14] Soro Dagostino: Thank you.
[9:14] Cindy Ecksol: so I am now going to hand over the gavel to SORO and let him continue the meeting by asking if there are any OTHER changes
[9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose
[9:14] Brian Livingston: Woo, congrats!
[9:14] Sonja Strom: Congratulations Soro
[9:14] Cindy Ecksol: congrats, Soro
[9:14] Rose Springvale: yay soro!
[9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh... congrats I guess... to someone
[9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[9:14] Pip Torok: congrats Soro
[9:14] Cindy Ecksol: be as nice to him as you have been to me in my short stint
[9:14] Justice Soothsayer: condolences, Soro.
[9:15] Brian Livingston: Hehe, indeed :p
[9:15] Rose Springvale: lol justice!
[9:15] Sonja Strom: lol
[9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: AH, much more appropriate, Justice
[9:15] Soro Dagostino: I understand not many know me.
[9:15] Soro Dagostino: So I'll be brief.
[9:15] Brian Livingston hands Soro a Fire Extinguisher and a pointy stick for keeping the meetings moving :p
[9:15] Soro Dagostino: When running meetings.
[9:16] Soro Dagostino: And -- so you know, in my long old age, I did become a certified parlimentarian.
[9:16] Soro Dagostino: Served as that for the California State Bar -- conference of delegates.
[9:16] Soro Dagostino: A thousand shouting lawyers.
[9:17] Soro Dagostino: And I am still alive.
[9:17] Soro Dagostino:
[9:17] Justice Soothsayer: how untraditional to have an LRA who knows parliamentary procedure
[9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Justice
[9:17] Soro Dagostino: Are there any speakers who wish to speack to the agenda?
[9:18] Soro Dagostino: Or the items thereon.
[9:18] Soro Dagostino: . . . . counting.
[9:18] Soro Dagostino:
[9:19] Soro Dagostino: Moving rigth along . . .
[9:19] Soro Dagostino: Ok, next item.
[9:19] Soro Dagostino: Is it the consensus of the body that we meet every two weeks.
[9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
[9:20] Sonja Strom: That would be 12 meetings per term, or?
[9:20] Justice Soothsayer: We have to meet at least every 2 weeks per the constitution; we could meet more often if needed.
[9:20] Pip Torok: agree with J
[9:20] Soro Dagostino: Do you want that in the form of a motion?
[9:20] Soro Dagostino: Justice?
[9:21] Cindy Ecksol: seems reasonable unless we have too much business to be transacted in so few meetings
[9:21] Cindy Ecksol: I don't think we need a motion -- that is standing procedure
[9:21] Soro Dagostino: Ahemm . . . . Motion -- then discussion
[9:21] Brian Livingston: I agree wit hCindy
[9:21] Justice Soothsayer: I agree with Cindy too
[9:21] Pip Torok: and me
[9:22] Soro Dagostino: Thats three.
[9:22] Soro Dagostino: and Cindy.
[9:22] Soro Dagostino: Consensus.
[9:22] Cindy Ecksol: yes.
[9:22] Sonja Strom: I agree too, except how will it be determined if we want to have more meetings?
[9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, ok, I'm fine with Cindy's proposal
[9:22] Cindy Ecksol: is that not up to LRA?
[9:22] Sonja Strom: Just talk about it and agree to hold more?
[9:22] Pip Torok: the ra puts a motion t that effect
[9:22] Soro Dagostino: The size of the agenda.
[9:23] Sonja Strom: Yes, Cindy, that is my question.
[9:23] Sonja Strom: Would the LRA make that determination?
[9:23] Cindy Ecksol: yes. so if Soro proposed today to meet next week....we would have to agree
[9:23] Brian Livingston: LRA perogative or direct request tothe LRA by a member?
[9:23] Justice Soothsayer: I believe the LRA can call a meeting if events dictate; typically we'll set the following meeting if needed earlier than 2 weeks
[9:23] Cindy Ecksol: just as we need to agree (as it says on agenda) that next meeting is in 2 weeks
[9:24] Soro Dagostino: Agenda item.
[9:24] Soro Dagostino: No vote?
[9:24] Sonja Strom: OK, I think I understand your answers.
[9:24] Cindy Ecksol: part of consent agenda?
[9:24] Sonja Strom: The LRA can decide, or if the other RA members want they can bring up the issue.
[9:25] Soro Dagostino: Its the LRA that produces the Agenda
[9:25] Sonja Strom: I am in agreement with that.
[9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine with it too
[9:25] Cindy Ecksol: yes, I agree
[9:25] Soro Dagostino: Ok, 12 April it is.
[9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok!
[9:26] Sonja Strom: I have one question about that ~
[9:26] Soro Dagostino: 0900?
[9:26] Sonja Strom: it will be Easter.
[9:26] Sonja Strom: Is that ok with everybody?
[9:26] Soro Dagostino: Hmmm, I was just looking.
[9:26] Cindy Ecksol: whoops!
[9:27] Cindy Ecksol: perhaps we SHOULD do next week instead
[9:27] Brian Livingston: Erm, Ithat isn't going to work for me
[9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahaha
[9:27] Soro Dagostino: What Brian?
[9:27] Brian Livingston: Meeting on Easter, that is
[9:27] Soro Dagostino: kk
[9:27] Sonja Strom: Brian, will you be busy on that day?
[9:27] Rose Springvale: bunny's are tired easter morning...
[9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And which Easter is that? Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Jewish, Ortodox...?
[9:27] Moon Adamant: lol Roser
[9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, exactly!
[9:27] Rose Springvale:
[9:27] Soro Dagostino: I propose we meet next week, Sunday at nine.
[9:28] Brian Livingston: Chocolate Egg Easter
[9:28] Soro Dagostino: Chair will entertain a motion for that.
[9:28] Pip Torok: seconded
[9:28] Sonja Strom:
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn votes aye
[9:28] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[9:28] Brian Livingston: aye
[9:28] Justice Soothsayer: Unfortunately, I'll be travelling next week and can't meet, so I'll ask for a 7-day vote on anything that comes up for a vote.
[9:28] Sonja Strom: ok, then from there it can be on a two-week schedule unless we change it
[9:28] Sonja Strom: aye
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
[9:28] Soro Dagostino: Discussion
[9:28] Justice Soothsayer: But I'll vote aye on meeting next Sunday, just without me.
[9:28] Pip Torok: aye
[9:29] Soro Dagostino: All in favor?
[9:29] Sonja Strom: yes
[9:29] Soro Dagostino: You vill learn!
[9:29] Soro Dagostino:
[9:29] Soro Dagostino: Chair accepts the consensus of the body, 7 day vote.
[9:30] Soro Dagostino: Now, more confusing -- any matters left over from prior meetings?
[9:30] Sonja Strom: I think under the RA procedures, the 7-day vote is automatically granted if requested in advance.
[9:30] Soro Dagostino: Accepted.
[9:31] Soro Dagostino: Anyone?
[9:32] Soro Dagostino: Prior matters?
[9:32] Cindy Ecksol: flag and anthem?
[9:32] Soro Dagostino: Yes.
[9:32] Soro Dagostino: Flag.
[9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes
[9:32] Soro Dagostino: Motion?
[9:32] Justice Soothsayer: Still waiting for a proposal from Chancellor on AA
[9:32] Cindy Ecksol:
[9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (ah yes, good point, Justice)
[9:32] Cindy Ecksol: can't discuss a proposal that isn't on the table
[9:33] Cindy Ecksol: I move that we adopt the Flag Bill
[9:33] Soro Dagostino: Second?
[9:33] Sonja Strom: Which is?
[9:33] Soro Dagostino: See the agenda.
[9:33] Soro Dagostino: Lets take a moment to read.
[9:33] Sonja Strom: To read the agenda?
[9:34] Cindy Ecksol: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2034
[9:34] Cindy Ecksol: agenda in the ball on the floor
[9:34] Justice Soothsayer: I'm content with the current flag
[9:34] Brian Livingston: For the record, do we have a bill number for archival purposes off hand?
[9:34] Cindy Ecksol: no, Brian, can you give us one?
[9:34] Sonja Strom: So we are talking about the flag bill proposed by Claude?
[9:35] Soro Dagostino: cindy?
[9:35] Cindy Ecksol: yes
[9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: e.g this flag: http://claude.desmoulins.googlepages.co ... gDraft.pdf ?
[9:35] Cindy Ecksol: that was what i put on the agenda. since that's how it seems to have been "tabled" to date
[9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 4 stars, assymetrically arranged, on the top left corner, small size?
[9:35] Cindy Ecksol: Bill says THREE stars.
[9:36] Brian Livingston: Hmmm, not off-hand. I'll have to see where it falls in order of legislation passed this term.
[9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
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Another Flag Bill
Postby Claude Desmoulins on Tue 05 Aug , 2008 11:06 am
Per Gwyn's suggestion in This thread : viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2017#wrap

WHEREAS, the current flag of the CDS, with two stars, was adopted shortly after the addition of Colonia Nova, and

WHEREAS, there was at least a tacit suggestion that we add a star per sim to the flag, and

WHEREAS. the GMP calls for a continent of up to 47 regions, and

WHEREAS, that's a lot of stars to squeeze onto one flag

Therefore be it resolved that the CDS flag shall henceforth have three stars, representing the three branches (representative, philosophic, and executive) of our government , placed on the hoist side (see attached TGA files)
[9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, ok
[9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That proposal is one year old...
[9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We have less regions proposed now (42)
[9:37] Cindy Ecksol: yes, about time to revive it and either pass or kill, eh?
[9:37] Cindy Ecksol: or perhaps more if new GMP is developed that way.
[9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the discussion is mostly about "how many stars and why
[9:37] Cindy Ecksol: yes, exactly.
[9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: "
[9:37] Brian Livingston: I think it has merit. At first, I was put off by the thought of not updating the flag for each region, being hte american-centric person that I am and partial to our flag. Hoqwever, that is a lot of labor for each region and requires that the same base file is shared and constantly available
[9:37] Sonja Strom: Is this the discussion time for this bill?
[9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Brian
[9:37] Brian Livingston: So there is certainyl something to be said about having a constant symbol
[9:37] Cindy Ecksol nods at songa
[9:37] Cindy Ecksol: sonja
[9:38] Sonja Strom: thanks
[9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Sonja, I think so!
[9:38] Soro Dagostino: Ok folk.

[Gwyneth Llewelyn]

[9:38] Soro Dagostino: are you ready to vote?
[9:38] Sonja Strom: I'm not yet.
[9:38] Pip Torok: Has anyone proposed one star per _cluster_ e.g. on for NFS one for NH one for pelagic sims etc.?
[9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmmmmmmmmmmh
[9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm not, either!
[9:38] Soro Dagostino: Or move and amendment?
[9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
[9:38] Justice Soothsayer: Well, Soro, I'm still not sure whether we are voting for a 3-star bill or a 4-star image.
[9:38] Moon Adamant: that is tranferring the problem pip
[9:38] Sonja Strom: Rose made a comment about it in the forum I thought was interesting, that 4 stars would make it work better when texturing things with it.
[9:39] Moon Adamant: agreed
[9:39] Cindy Ecksol: To clarify: we are voting on the THREE star bill unless someone moves to amend
[9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd say that we should discuss this in two steps: 1) A fixed amount of stars forever, OR a changeable amount depending on regions/sims/whatever; and 2) If 3 or 4
[9:39] Soro Dagostino: Three stars.
[9:39] Sonja Strom: I didn't quite understand that, but maybe we could consider it.
[9:39] Sonja Strom agrees with Gwyneth
[9:39] Soro Dagostino: Thats is the Agenda item before the body.
[9:40] Soro Dagostino: If its to be four stars -- we need an amendment.
[9:40] Cindy Ecksol: so does someone have objectsion to the "fixed number" of stars?
[9:40] Sonja Strom: I don't mean to be short, but the agend item is "Flag Bill."
[9:40] Pip Torok: not me
[9:40] Sonja Strom: Gwyneth's idea is a way for us to talk about the Flag Bill.
[9:41] Justice Soothsayer: I am in favor of "fixed number of stars" rather than adding 1 each time we add a sim
[9:41] Brian Livingston: Ideally, I would prefer to add a star for each region, however i don't think it is reliably sustainable.
[9:41] Cindy Ecksol continues to look around for objections to fixed number of stars.....
[9:41] Sonja Strom: So Soro, Claude's bill has been seconded?
[9:41] Soro Dagostino: No
[9:41] Soro Dagostino: And no one listens.
[9:41] Cindy Ecksol: yes, has been seconded and can be amended if we now wish to
[9:41] Sonja Strom: ok, then we are still in open discussion about it.
[9:41] Sonja Strom is listening
[9:41] Soro Dagostino: Yes.
[9:41] Cindy Ecksol: we are in discussion
[9:42] Soro Dagostino: Now.
[9:42] Soro Dagostino: Time limits are stretching.
[9:42] Soro Dagostino: Are you ready to vote?
[9:43] Sonja Strom: No, I'm not.
[9:43] Soro Dagostino: Three stars.
[9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I really don't know what to say, except that either we amend it now, or drop it forever = I'm all for a FIXED number of stars for reasons of practicality (even the EU found that out after getting 12 stars!)
[9:43] Cindy Ecksol: i move to extend the time limit
[9:43] Cindy Ecksol: let's continue discussion
[9:43] Pip Torok: the advantage of a fixed number is that the number represents the members of the original confederation (NFS CN)
[9:43] Sonja Strom: second
[9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I second Cindy's move to continue the discussion.
[9:43] Brian Livingston: I second
[9:43] Soro Dagostino: Non debatable.
[9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: True, Pip
[9:43] Soro Dagostino: Vote?
[9:43] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye on continuing to discuss.
[9:43] Sonja Strom: aye
[9:43] Justice Soothsayer: aye on continuing discussion
[9:43] Pip Torok: aye on continuing to discuss
[9:44] Brian Livingston: aye on continuing discussions
[9:44] Soro Dagostino: nays?
[9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn counts
[9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[9:44] Soro Dagostino: So we continue
[9:44] Cindy Ecksol: I saw no serious objections to fixed number of stars....still true?
[9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[9:44] Justice Soothsayer: Soro to be parliamentarily correct, I'll move to amend "three stars" to "4 stars".
[9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cindy, only brian's comment
[9:44] Soro Dagostino: Is gthere a second?
[9:44] Cindy Ecksol nods at Gwyn and Brian
[9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Justice: and include on Claude's wording that the fourth star represents "the people"?
[9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (as suggested on the forums)
[9:45] Cindy Ecksol: no second for justice's motion?
[9:45] Justice Soothsayer: OK, Gwyn.
[9:45] Pip Torok: what about 2 as the _original_ members of the confederation?
[9:45] Cindy Ecksol: (cannot discuss without a second)
[9:45] Soro Dagostino: Thank you Cindy
[9:45] Brian Livingston: I weouldn't identify the stars with any region. It creates a two-tiered system of categorizing and prioritizing our sisms and seems contrary to our democratic ideals
[9:45] Sonja Strom: Pip, I see what you are talking about, but our community was not founded as two sims in partnership...
[9:45] Cindy Ecksol: Pip, do you want to make a motion for two stars?
[9:45] Sonja Strom: it was Neualtenburg for some time, and then Neufreistadt...
[9:46] Sonja Strom: then added another sim.
[9:46] Pip Torok: no ...but you see what happens if we add star after star after star
[9:46] Soro Dagostino: Should this be referred to a working party?
[9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah really
[9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't think so, Soro
[9:46] Rose Springvale groans from the cheap seats
[9:46] Sonja Strom: Soro, what's your hurry?
[9:47] Cindy Ecksol: Soro, I would not favor a working group: we do not even have a second for any changes from three stars
[9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: From a ONE-YEAR thread we see that not many people are really interested in discussing this further,
[9:47] Soro Dagostino: To finish within an hout.
[9:47] Brian Livingston: But it seems resolved that we are working with a fixed number of stars. The discussion is simply over whether to add a fourth star to represent the citizens' role in our governance
[9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and we have 2-3 alternatives
[9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree, brian
[9:47] Sonja Strom: Do we have an hour time limit?
[9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ie. I agree that there is not much more to discuss
[9:47] Sonja Strom: for finishing?
[9:47] Pip Torok: I propose that the flag be composed of two stars ... as the first two members of the CDS confederation
[9:47] Cindy Ecksol: OK, folks, if someone wants FOUR stars or TWO stars there must be a motion AND a second
[9:47] Brian Livingston: I second Justice's proposal to add the urth star to represent the citizens
[9:47] Brian Livingston: fourth*
[9:47] Cindy Ecksol: there is a motion to amend to FOUR stars, no second
[9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I second Justice's motion too.
[9:48] Moon Adamant: well, it would be good if you could finish before Guild's meeting time at 11
[9:48] Soro Dagostino: [herding cats]
[9:48] Cindy Ecksol: kk!
[9:48] Cindy Ecksol: can we now vote on that amendment?
[9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles @ Moon
[9:48] Pip Torok: errr my motion?
[9:48] Sonja Strom: [being pushy]
[9:48] Brian Livingston: Mr Leader, Bunneh!
[9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[9:48] Soro Dagostino: The motion before the body - four stars on the flag.
[9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: A point of order... there are several ways to arrange the 4 stars,
[9:48] Soro Dagostino: Called questions.
[9:48] Soro Dagostino: Vote?
[9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: does Justice's amendment propose Claude's way of arranging the four stars too?
[9:49] Cindy Ecksol: Gwyn...hold that thought for discussion
[9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, Cindy.
[9:49] Moon Adamant: Gwyn, i think as suggested in teh image in the forums....
[9:49] Cindy Ecksol: we are just voting to amend (or not) right now.
[9:49] Soro Dagostino: Vote please.
[9:49] Cindy Ecksol: nay
[9:49] Brian Livingston: Aye to amendment
[9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, aye for amendment.
[9:49] Justice Soothsayer: aye to 4 stars, the 4th added to represent the People.
[9:49] Sonja Strom: aye to amendment
[9:49] Sonja Strom: (sorry Pip)
[9:49] Pip Torok: (np_
[9:50] Soro Dagostino: Votes?
[9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye on the motion.
[9:50] Soro Dagostino: Carried.
[9:50] Soro Dagostino: Motion is to approve the flag with 4 stars.
[9:50] Soro Dagostino: discussion
[9:51] Soro Dagostino: Ready to vote?
[9:51] Cindy Ecksol: in re Gwyn's question about arrangement, the Flag Bill thread has a mockup of 4 stars.
[9:51] Brian Livingston: I think the stars have more visual impact along the hoist side of the flag
[9:51] Cindy Ecksol: shall we look?
[9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It has, yes, Cindy
[9:51] Cindy Ecksol: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2034
[9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I suggest that the RA only worries about the # of stars, and leave the aesthetical considerations to the technical expertise of the Guild
[9:51] Cindy Ecksol: scroll down a bit...
[9:52] Soro Dagostino: Gwyn -- is that a motion to amend?
[9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Claude's reasoning for the arrangement: "Note that the yellow stars, even though small, stand out against the blue background."
[9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahh Soro
[9:52] Justice Soothsayer is ready to vote on Flag Bill as amended
[9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: now we're getting into heraldics
[9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Should the RA vote on a *blazon*?
[9:53] Pip Torok: and /me is ready
[9:53] Soro Dagostino: There is a call for the question
[9:53] Moon Adamant: ahem
[9:53] Brian Livingston: So we are refering design considerations to the Guild? I would aonly agree if we vote again to approve the final product, given its symbolic importance
[9:53] Sonja Strom: Would somebody please state how the bill would actually read as amended?
[9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Brian: yes.
[9:53] Moon Adamant: Gwyn, you can onlt blazon after you have the coat defined
[9:53] Moon Adamant: only*
[9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, Ok.
[9:54] Soro Dagostino: The motion is to have four stars on the flag.
[9:54] Cindy Ecksol: hold on....I am rewriting..,..
[9:54] Moon Adamant: sorry... i like heraldry
[9:54] Sonja Strom: Thanks Cindy
[9:54] Soro Dagostino: Cindy . . .
[9:56] Soro Dagostino: Should we hold the matter and move on to the next item?
[9:56] Cindy Ecksol gave you Flag bill.
[9:56] Cindy Ecksol: did I get everyone?
[9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, thank you CIndy
[9:56] Justice Soothsayer: got it
[9:56] Soro Dagostino: Yes, do all have it.
[9:56] Pip Torok: yes
[9:56] Rose Springvale: hmm
[9:56] Brian Livingston: nopes
[9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So we need to vote on this amendment
[9:56] Soro Dagostino: Your mod is an amendment?
[9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think so, Soro
[9:57] Soro Dagostino: Second?
[9:57] Rose Springvale: can you post in chat please
[9:57] Pip Torok: seconded
[9:57] Brian Livingston: i don't have the bil
[9:57] Justice Soothsayer: WHEREAS, the current flag of the CDS, with two stars, was adopted shortly after the addition of Colonia Nova, and
WHEREAS, there was at least a tacit suggestion that we add a star per sim to the flag, and
WHEREAS. the GMP calls for a large continent of many regions, and
WHEREAS, that's a lot of stars to squeeze onto one flag.
Therefore be it resolved that the CDS flag shall henceforth have four stars, representing the three branches (representative, philosophic, and executive) of our government and the people with Guild to propose final design and present to RA for approval.
[9:57] Brian Livingston: thank you cindy
[9:57] Moon Adamant: please, for the audience's advantage, paste things in chat
[9:57] Cindy Ecksol: whew!
[9:57] Sonja Strom: Thanks Cindy and Justice
[9:57] Moon Adamant: thanks Justice
[9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: WHEREAS, the current flag of the CDS, with two stars, was adopted shortly after the addition of Colonia Nova, and
WHEREAS, there was at least a tacit suggestion that we add a star per sim to the flag, and
WHEREAS. the GMP calls for a large continent of many regions, and
WHEREAS, that's a lot of stars to squeeze onto one flag.
Therefore be it resolved that the CDS flag shall henceforth have four stars, representing the three branches (representative, philosophic, and executive) of our government and the people with Guild to propose final design and present to RA for approval.
[9:57] Soro Dagostino: Vote . . .
[9:57] Rose Springvale: lol. and gwyn...
[9:57] Pip Torok: aye
[9:57] Soro Dagostino: All those in favor.
[9:58] Brian Livingston: aye
[9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry.
[9:58] Justice Soothsayer votes aye
[9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and aye
[9:58] Pip Torok: aye
[9:58] Sonja Strom raises hand
[9:58] Soro Dagostino: yes Sonja
[9:58] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[9:58] Sonja Strom: How will it be known who will design it?
[9:58] Sonja Strom: Would that be another bill, or just left open?
[9:58] Cindy Ecksol: sez right there "Guild"
[9:58] Moon Adamant: workgroup in the Guild
[9:58] Sonja Strom: ah, ok
[9:58] Soro Dagostino: That is a change of subject.
[9:59] Soro Dagostino: Any nays?
[9:59] Soro Dagostino: Carried.
[9:59] Cindy Ecksol: yay!!!
[9:59] Cindy Ecksol: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[9:59] Sonja Strom: Sorry Soro, I just didn't see that wording in the bill.
[9:59] Rose Springvale smiles
[9:59] Cindy Ecksol: can we take time for the anthem bill now?
[9:59] Soro Dagostino: Now to Anthem.
[9:59] Justice Soothsayer: Move adoption.
[9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anthem is MORE FUN
[9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seconds Justice's move.
[9:59] Soro Dagostino: [groan]
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Soro
[10:00] Cindy Ecksol: which move?
[10:00] Sonja Strom: Hm Cindy, I don't know if we can take so much time...
[10:00] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[10:00] Sonja Strom: we need to really hurry!!
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Move to adopt the Anthem
[10:00] Cindy Ecksol: second
[10:00] Sonja Strom: aye
[10:00] Soro Dagostino: That is before the body.
[10:00] Justice Soothsayer: It's on the wall
[10:00] Pip Torok: aye
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (that was Justice's motion)
[10:00] Soro Dagostino: Discussion?
[10:00] Rose Springvale: lol
[10:00] Soro Dagostino: Its on the wall.
[10:00] Cindy Ecksol: rose can you play for us?
[10:00] Sonja Strom: No, we can not take the time to discuss this -
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ooooh
[10:00] Brian Livingston wouldn't suggest hurrying with any enduring symbol ofthe confederation, although he has no objections to the anthem.
[10:00] Rose Springvale: oh, sure
[10:00] Sonja Strom: we must vote immediately!!
[10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: omg
[10:01] Sonja Strom: Besides, there has been a second
[10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we can move to extend the meeting surely?
[10:01] Soro Dagostino: That's a call of the question
[10:01] Cindy Ecksol: so....that means discussion
[10:01] Moon Adamant: welll... there is still one hour to Guild... you can take your time...
[10:01] Sonja Strom: oh, ok,
[10:01] Soro Dagostino: I tried.
[10:01] Sonja Strom: so we can have a little time?
[10:01] Cindy Ecksol: yes...
[10:01] Sonja Strom: ok
[10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn moves to extend the discussion
[10:01] Soro Dagostino: That's the rules.
[10:01] Cindy Ecksol: second
[10:01] Cindy Ecksol: that is, I second gwyn's motion to extend
[10:02] Soro Dagostino: Non-debatetable
[10:02] Sonja Strom: I thought you were in a hurry.
[10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, I vote aye on discussing a BIT further.
[10:02] Rose Springvale: need to set up the player, will get it streaming in one sec
[10:02] Soro Dagostino: Call on extending time
[10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay Rose
[10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye on extending time
[10:02] Cindy Ecksol: aye to extend
[10:02] Soro Dagostino: Vote
[10:02] Sonja Strom: ok, I can take a few minutes for this if you can.
[10:02] Justice Soothsayer: aye to extend
[10:02] Sonja Strom: aye on extending
[10:02] Pip Torok: aye to extend
[10:02] Soro Dagostino: Ok, more time.
[10:03] Cindy Ecksol notes that rose is setting up the player...
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok... I have actually a question
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Anthem is two things,
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lyrics and music
[10:03] Soro Dagostino: in order
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Shall we move to approve both together?
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or each in turn?
[10:04] Cindy Ecksol: yes!!!!
[10:04] Cindy Ecksol: wh would we separate????
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, so the motion is to approve both together.
[10:04] Cindy Ecksol: why*
[10:04] Rose Springvale: playing
[10:04] Pip Torok: together ... one affects the other!
[10:04] Soro Dagostino: Its presented as a single motion.
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (who knows, Cindy, because someone might like the music and not the lyrics, or vice-verse )
[10:04] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok. Single motion; I agree with that then
[10:04] Rose Springvale: hm, this isn't the one with lyrics.. hold on
[10:04] Rose Springvale: just listen lol
[10:04] Justice Soothsayer: indeed, a single motion
[10:05] Rose Springvale: are you hearing it?
[10:05] Soro Dagostino: yes
[10:05] Soro Dagostino: Just over.
[10:05] Rose Springvale: wait
[10:05] Sonja Strom: Not me
[10:05] Rose Springvale: is that it?
[10:05] Rose Springvale: no
[10:05] Cindy Ecksol: sounds wierd....
[10:05] Moon Adamant: yes
[10:05] Cindy Ecksol: weird even
[10:05] Rose Springvale: one sec
[10:05] Cindy Ecksol: not the recording we made...old words
[10:05] Moon Adamant: it's a synth voice on the anthem
[10:05] Sonja Strom: I have heard it before though...
[10:06] Sonja Strom: ah, ok Cindy
[10:06] Rose Springvale: need to import again.
[10:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: nicer :=)
[10:06] Cindy Ecksol: this is the instrumental...don't hear the voice
[10:07] Brian Livingston: is ther a url to a copy online?
[10:07] Brian Livingston: SL doesn't like playing music reliably for me for whatver reason
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[10:07] Sonja Strom: While we are waiting, maybe I should let you know I was making an ironic comment about needing to hurry before, not actually saying we need to hurry.
[10:07] Soro Dagostino: kk
[10:07] Cindy Ecksol: oh, ok!
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: There ought to be, yes
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol ok Sonja!
[10:07] Cindy Ecksol: was wondering what the rush was
[10:07] Pip Torok: words are so much better when I sing them in my head!
[10:08] Sonja Strom: me too, Cindy!
[10:08] Cindy Ecksol: ok, rose!!!
[10:08] Sonja Strom: I even got excluded from a vote because I was not fast enough.
[10:08] Rose Springvale: here we are
[10:08] Brian Livingston: Aah, that makes more sense Sonja Gotta love the nuances of inflections in text chat
[10:08] Sonja Strom:
[10:09] Sonja Strom: Will this be playing on the sound stream?
[10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[10:09] Cindy Ecksol: yes....it is

[Gwyneth Llewelyn]

[10:09] Moon Adamant: it is playing now, Sonja
[10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh I simply love this version
[10:09] Rose Springvale: oh,yes, i'll repeat.. its only one minute
[10:09] Brian Livingston: Hmm, io can't find a url to this on the forums. I thought we had one
[10:09] Sonja Strom: hm, I'm sorry, I am not hearing it.
[10:09] Rose Springvale: just press play
[10:10] Rose Springvale: is it playing ?
[10:10] Sonja Strom: ah, ok, needed to restart the player
[10:10] Sonja Strom: yes, now
[10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh my
[10:10] Sonja Strom: Cindy's lovely voice...
[10:10] Rose Springvale: its looping
[10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I *do* feel the urge to stand up
[10:10] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[10:10] Rose Springvale: makes me want to cry lol
[10:10] Sonja Strom: hehee, me too!
[10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, it came out so well!
[10:10] Cindy Ecksol: yes, it's very anthem-like
[10:10] Sonja Strom Claps!!!
[10:10] Moon Adamant applauds
[10:10] Pip Torok: claps ...
[10:10] Sonja Strom: Very nice.
[10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol who would imagine,
[10:10] Cindy Ecksol: ok, i move to end discussion and appropve
[10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that such a thing that started as a JOKE
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: would at the end sound so good!!
[10:11] Rose Springvale: makes you wonder about all anthems lol
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose: YES!
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[10:11] Sonja Strom: hehee
[10:11] Rose Springvale: ready to stop?
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's what I had in mind
[10:11] Cindy Ecksol: hey, in the US ours is a drinking song
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I second Cindy's motion!
[10:11] Soro Dagostino: Call the questions
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cindy: ))))))))
[10:11] Soro Dagostino: All in favor?
[10:11] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: AYE
[10:11] Pip Torok: aye
[10:11] Sonja Strom: aye
[10:12] Brian Livingston: abstain
[10:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[10:12] Soro Dagostino: Justice
[10:12] Brian Livingston: (I can't hear it and all of the forum links to it are dead)
[10:12] Rose Springvale: oh
[10:12] Sonja Strom: Brian try restarting your stream player.
[10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm
[10:13] Rose Springvale: sorry brian i just turned it off lol
[10:13] Soro Dagostino: Nays?
[10:13] Rose Springvale: want it again?
[10:13] Brian Livingston: not going to work. There is something about the linux client update and my sound driver
[10:13] Sonja Strom: oh, ups
[10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I just have some old versions, sadly, Brian
[10:13] Rose Springvale: i'll email it brian
[10:13] Sonja Strom: oh ah
[10:13] Brian Livingston: I need to work on fixing it since LL refuses to
[10:13] Rose Springvale: after the meeting lol
[10:13] Soro Dagostino: Motion is carried, Justice astains?
[10:13] Cindy Ecksol: /wow! two bills in one session!! we'd better be careful -- we might start actually being productive here!
[10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I wonder if this WILL be on the constitution (flag & anthem)
[10:13] Moon Adamant: in any case, the ayes already carry it, right'
[10:13] Justice Soothsayer: no, I vote aye as well
[10:13] Soro Dagostino: Yes
[10:13] Moon Adamant: ?
[10:14] Soro Dagostino: kk
[10:14] Soro Dagostino: Carried.
[10:14] Sonja Strom: People have problems with seeing Metanomics who have the linux os, too.
[10:14] Pip Torok: sounds like a good precedent though!
[10:14] Justice Soothsayer was trying to hear the anthem
[10:14] Soro Dagostino: Any Citizens proposals.
[10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should also ask the RA archivist to to keep copies of:
[10:14] Rose Springvale: i'll be glad to email to anyone who couldn't hear and wants to
[10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: - the text of the anthem
[10:14] Cindy Ecksol: yes, and music....I have PDF
[10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: - the music as per the latest arrangement
[10:14] Soro Dagostino: Thanks Rose.
[10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: - and the music, as sung by the lovely Cindy (at least!)
[10:15] Cindy Ecksol: who is archivist? Aliasi?
[10:15] Soro Dagostino: No Citizens Proposals?
[10:15] Brian Livingston: We should get that onto the portal when we get a moment
[10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good question, Cindy!
[10:15] Rose Springvale: publius is RA archivist isn't he?
[10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, that too, Brian
[10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Publius then.
[10:15] Rose Springvale: Aliasi is content
[10:15] Cindy Ecksol: ah, ok....
[10:15] Rose Springvale: probably both
[10:15] Soro Dagostino: Call for adjournment?
[10:15] Cindy Ecksol: second
[10:15] Justice Soothsayer: adjourn
[10:15] Soro Dagostino: All in favor?
[10:15] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[10:15] Sonja Strom: aye
[10:15] Justice Soothsayer: aye
[10:15] Pip Torok: aye
[10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: abstain
[10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[10:16] Soro Dagostino: LOL
[10:16] Cindy Ecksol: hey, only 30 minutes over
[10:16] Brian Livingston: aye
[10:16] Brian Livingston: lol
[10:16] Sonja Strom: over what Cindy?
[10:16] Cindy Ecksol: original time per the agenda
[10:16] Soro Dagostino: And they only gave us 45 min.
[10:16] Soro Dagostino: Yay!!
[10:16] Justice Soothsayer: good job, Soro
[10:16] Soro Dagostino: Thanks all.
[10:16] Rose Springvale: congrats all!
[10:16] Moon Adamant: thank you Soro, and all
[10:16] Sonja Strom: Thanks everybody!