Claude Desmoulins is in the chair.
Delia Lake has indicated consent to be recorded.
Claude Desmoulins: Let us know when you're settled.
Delia Lake: ok
Claude Desmoulins: Please touch the recorder on the table if you haven't yet.
Delia Lake: i have
Cindy Ecksol has indicated consent to be recorded.
Claude Desmoulins: The first item listed on the agenda was related to the AA merger. However....
Claude Desmoulins: ...since the proposed amendment is still being voted on we cannot review per Gwyn's request unless/until it passes.
Claude Desmoulins: I also had some uncertainty as to whether the original merger proposal bill implicitly included implementation, but it may well be that that horse has left the proverbial barn.
Claude Desmoulins: Is there any objection to moving on to possible SC nominees.
Claude Desmoulins: ?
Delia Lake: none whatsoever
Claude Desmoulins: For the record, I've attempted to contact Dnate about attendance following on Jamie's comments at our last meeting but haven't heard from him.
Claude Desmoulins: Does anyone have any names they'd like to put forward?
Delia Lake: thinking....
Delia Lake: hello Rose
Delia Lake: Hello Jamie
Rose Springvale: hi 
rezzing
Jamie Palisades: Cheers all.
Jamie Palisades: I had a brief e mail chat with Aliasi in light of the sudden call for this meeting, She indicate she'd try to attend.
Delia Lake: I thought she said shw would be able to attend
Rose Springvale: oh, should i send a notice? this is public yes? not on the calendar
Claude Desmoulins: I had been in contact with all the SC members over the weekend and thought she was planning to be here.
Delia Lake: Jamie, do we have a current list of CDS citizens? when we had the old website it was easy to find
Rose Springvale: its on the portal
Jamie Palisades: Delia, there is a new one Sudane maintains as a DB on the portal
Rose Springvale: http://tospitimou.com/cds/list.php
Jamie Palisades: Looking for the URI - it's on the same old slow server as neufreistadt.info
Rose Springvale: done jamie
Jamie Palisades: as beat me to it
Rose Springvale: sorry, sigh
Jamie Palisades: haha no thx
Rose Springvale: so no notices?
Jamie Palisades: However, be advised, she does not keep it in real time, so as of today that should be regarded as subject to adjustment
Jamie Palisades: notices?
Rose Springvale: oh, i thought we sent notices for public meetings.
Cindy Ecksol: about this meeting, jamie
Jamie Palisades:
Claude Desmoulins: Sent one to the CDS group yesterday,
Jamie Palisades: that pesky due process thing again
Rose Springvale: ah .. do you mind if i send another?
Rose Springvale: when it isn' t on the calendar, it doesnt' make my list
Claude Desmoulins: No.
Jamie Palisades: yes. Quite a stir too, Mr. Dean, Rose is asking whether to send a blue group notice now
Jamie Palisades: ah
Claude Desmoulins: as in No I don't mind.
Rose Springvale: smiles
Claude Desmoulins: Most of those who come to mind seem terribly busy.
Rose Springvale: if you send me your info for those, we'll make sure they make the calendar Claude
Claude Desmoulins: Apologies.
Rose Springvale:
Delia Lake: i haven't asked anyone about their interest in being on the SC.
Claude Desmoulins: It seems that most of those who are active members of the community already have an office. Is there someone I'm forgetting?
Delia Lake: but one possible candidate who occurs to me might be Kedwyn Parmelee. she participates in CDS events and has not been in office yet
Jamie Palisades: hmm
Rose Springvale: maybe some people on the ra this term might move over next
Rose Springvale: brian would be good
Rose Springvale: oops. i forget i'm an observer here . sorry
Claude Desmoulins: Several of the current RA were at one time on the SC.
Cindy Ecksol smiles
Jamie Palisades: Given a choice, as a consumer of your output here, I'd almost rather have SC people who have had some exposure to the government before. But that's just personal observation. Nice person though, Kedwyn
Claude Desmoulins: PAt, Gwyn, Cindy, Justice (who just left RA b/c he's too busy)
Delia Lake: perhaps FR?
Claude Desmoulins: I think it's good to have lived with the legislative a constitutional corpus for a while as well.
Cindy Ecksol: dnate?
Claude Desmoulins: One could ask. He's also a former SC (Flyingroc?)
Jamie Palisades: Anyone coming on line from AA , if the merger happens, Rose? Mical? Don't you have a few professional mediators? Soro coming back maybe?
Claude Desmoulins: Dnate's on the SC and hasn't been to a meeting in some time.
Rose Springvale: several of micaels group would be good jamie, but they don't have legislative history in CDS
Jamie Palisades smiles. Dnate was not on the list most recently given to me as active member, FWIW.
Delia Lake: that's true Rose
Jamie Palisades: I do not see Dnate on line much, Roc does come in some.
Rose Springvale: xinoxi would be great too but maybe better in another position
Rose Springvale: aileen, serina... carolyn.. smiles
Cindy Ecksol: hey, how about kamillah?
Rose Springvale: and ash hasn't sold his land yet...
Delia Lake: although he also has no CDS office experience, what about Solomon Mosely?
Claude Desmoulins: Our political class needs an infusion
Jamie Palisades: ah there is some part of me that would be very pleased to see Ashcroft on the CDS SC.
Rose Springvale: me too lol
Cindy Ecksol:
Delia Lake: we could ask Ash
Claude Desmoulins: That's all for a later date, alas.
Jamie Palisades: Claude, sir .. some of us are working on that as hard as we can 
Rose Springvale: i doubt he'd clear the vetting
Delia Lake: maybe then he would stay
Claude Desmoulins: Do we even have an effective date for AA folk becoming CDS citizens?
Jamie Palisades: The infusion of citizens as well as possible leaders
Rose Springvale: there is a whole garden to be harvested
Claude Desmoulins: I think there is also a 28 rule before someone can hold office, no?
Cindy Ecksol: lovely image!
Rose Springvale: oh really? we didn't negotiate that!
Rose Springvale: does time in AA grandfather?
Jamie Palisades: Claude, the bill says there is an effective date, and while it does not matter for the upcoming ellection (which treats them specially) , it does for legal application. it was my assumption that it would happen on the day we took control of the terriotyr and assumed responsbility for tier and rent.
Claude Desmoulins: What we think the RA might to with a nominee shouldn't influence what we do.
Delia Lake: and dthat date is yet to be determined, Jamie?
Jamie Palisades smiles. That rule is part of the system that i will argue applies to the regular CDS election. Not the special interim arrangement
Jamie Palisades: Delia, it depends when we pay the EO (point across rrom) after she is ready to flip the switch ...
Rose Springvale: lol. be clear, you aren't paying the EO
Jamie Palisades: ... which I expect will happen before 26 June (for election reasons) and before 1 July (for tier reasons)
Jamie Palisades: well, relieving her of a debt, let;'s say
Claude Desmoulins: Even so, there's the question of familiarity already put forward.
Delia Lake: that's what I thought
Claude Desmoulins: Here comes Aliasi. I hope
Rose Springvale: relieving her of a future potential financial responsibility
Cindy Ecksol: so there's a simple solution: don't ask anyone from AA until 28 days after the merger
Jamie Palisades: indeed
Claude Desmoulins: I have no idea if Danton would do it.
Cindy Ecksol: /m grins
Jamie Palisades: oo what a cool idea! Danton!
Claude Desmoulins: But his study of the recent legislative history shows he's paying attention.
Aliasi Stonebender: apologies for tardiness. had my alarm set, shut my eyes for one moment, and... well, you know.
Delia Lake: how much is Danton inworld these days? i'd love to have him on the SC
Claude Desmoulins: Discussing possible SC nominees.
Jamie Palisades: his RL job postings have kept him busy, but if hels agree, he;s be great - and very independent and has a probative mind too, in my view, nice idea.
Jamie Palisades: Cheers Aliasi
Delia Lake: hi Aliasi
Rose Springvale: hi Ali!
Claude Desmoulins: He logged in this weekend.
Jamie Palisades chuckles and tosses an aerosol of Diurnal Mammal magic dust acros the room.
Claude Desmoulins: I'll officially place his name in nomination here contigent on his willingness to serve.
Rose Springvale: lilith? naftali? rudo? all might be honored to be asked
Rose Springvale: is odile still around?
Delia Lake: I was thinking of Naftali
Delia Lake: lilith would be good too
Claude Desmoulins: Naftali was discussed several months ago. I can't remember what became of that off the top of my head.
Jamie Palisades: Soro Dagostino may come back soon as well, FWIW.
Cindy Ecksol: she was busy at the time
Cindy Ecksol: you mean symo?
Claude Desmoulins: Come back?
Jamie Palisades: crap
Jamie Palisades: hahah
Jamie Palisades: yhes, sorry
Claude Desmoulins: Isn't he LRA?
Jamie Palisades: Symo Kurka
Jamie Palisades: Soro we got
Claude Desmoulins: I put Danton on the table officially.
Jamie Palisades rolls eyes, faceplams
Rose Springvale: that would be nice ..symo would be excellent
Delia Lake: agreed
Jamie Palisades: what about some of the older CSDF members?
Claude Desmoulins: Just a moment.
Jamie Palisades: Yogeswami for example
Claude Desmoulins: Danton is on the table at the moment.
Claude Desmoulins: Let's decide whether to nominate him, then move on to other names.
Delia Lake: Yoge is hardly ever inworld that I see
Marion Diabolito: tx
Claude Desmoulins: Does anyone else on the SC have any comments on Danton?
Rose Springvale: hey Marion:)
Delia Lake: I would very much like Danton to join the SC
Marion Diabolito: hi rose, thanks
Delia Lake: hi Marion
Marion Diabolito: hi delia
Aliasi Stonebender: I have nothing against him.
Claude Desmoulins: All in favor of nominating Danton (contigent on his being willing)
Delia Lake: aye
Claude Desmoulins: aye
Aliasi Stonebender: aye
Claude Desmoulins: Does anyone else from the SC want to put a name in nomination?
Delia Lake: you said that Naftali was asked before?
Cindy Ecksol: yes, was just too busy at the time
Delia Lake: I know she is still busy, but it might be worth asking again
Cindy Ecksol nods in agreement
Jamie Palisades smiles, obediently waits for further request if any from (away) Dean for comment from non SC members
Claude Desmoulins: The one thing I'd say about Naftali is I wonder how much she follows the legislative goings on.
Claude Desmoulins: Does she attend in world meetings?
Claude Desmoulins: She soesn't seem to be much of a forum follower though one could argue that is a good thing.
Jamie Palisades smiles behind duct tape, wonders if that's a criteria for SC
Claude Desmoulins: *doesn't
Delia Lake: she does sometimes attend inworld meetings
Claude Desmoulins: Not formally.
Claude Desmoulins: Speak of.
Claude Desmoulins wonders if Naftali's ears were burning.
Rose Springvale: he naf!
Delia Lake: hi Naf
Naftali Torok: lol i said
Naftali Torok: good evening my friends
Delia Lake looks under Naf's hair to see if her ears are blistered
Naftali Torok: lol
Naftali Torok: ssssssssssss
Rose Springvale: careful, thinks are living in there..
Naftali Torok: ohhhhhhhhh
Naftali Torok: gives riose a bad eye
Rose Springvale smiles sweetly
Aliasi Stonebender: eh, while one should be aware, I wouldn't say one should be attending every RA meeting like I used to.
Claude Desmoulins: Can someone send Naf a transcript so she can catch up?
Claude Desmoulins: Fair enough.
Naftali Torok: thanks
Cindy Ecksol: oh, not much to catch up: just tell her
Jamie Palisades: They want to know if you are interested in SC . and I want to know where I can get a Naftali T-shirt like that
Naftali Torok: lol
Claude Desmoulins: You're being discussed as a possible SC nominee.
Naftali Torok: i see
Naftali Torok: eyebrows high
Naftali Torok: well
Naftali Torok: mmm
Naftali Torok: smiles at cind
Cindy Ecksol looks innocent
Naftali Torok: as yu know i am just since today back on sl ground again......
Naftali Torok: i have very irregular rl
Naftali Torok: but i can try
Rose Springvale: you are in world more than any of us lol
Cindy Ecksol: irregular, but you have the advantage of knowing ahead of time when you will be around or not
Naftali Torok: when i am doing my nightwalks....
Naftali Torok: what are my responsibilities here?
Claude Desmoulins: See article III of the constitution
Claude Desmoulins: Would anyone like to attempt a more concise summary?
Naftali Torok: thanks delia
Cindy Ecksol: show up at SC meetings and act judiciously
Naftali Torok: ?
Rose Springvale: interpret the constitution
Rose Springvale: apply to laws when asked
Naftali Torok: i see
Delia Lake: i just copied that article on a notecard and gave it to Naf
Rose Springvale: get yoru snake out to settle disputes
Claude Desmoulins: BTW, I'd like to adjourn by 3:30. If we need to continue discussion on this it can happen in the SC discussion forum.
Naftali Torok: oki
Naftali Torok: lol
Cindy Ecksol: yes, I think the sanke would be an asset
Rose Springvale: is it in that hair??
Claude Desmoulins: Any other questions for Naf since she's here?
Naftali Torok: yes clause
Naftali Torok: clause
Naftali Torok: lol
Naftali Torok: getver cant type
Rose Springvale: is there a yes clause in our constitution? we need one!
Aliasi Stonebender: a 'yes clause'?
Naftali Torok: is silent and tries to read all the chat and the ims.......
Naftali Torok: and notecard
Rose Springvale: sorry ali, i'm just playing with other people typos
Claude Desmoulins waits for naftali's question.
Naftali Torok: i dont have a specific question now
Claude Desmoulins: OK.
Claude Desmoulins: Any other discussion from SC members?
Delia Lake: not at this time
Claude Desmoulins: Hearing none all in favor of Naftali's nomination
Delia Lake: aye
Claude Desmoulins: aye
Naftali Torok: grins, i bet, yu re happy with me as new member.....
Claude Desmoulins: Since it is now 3:30 I'd like to adjourn. Is there any objection?
Jamie Palisades smiles. I think the council has our inpu,t to the extent it wishes to consider it.
Naftali Torok: well i will do my very best
Jamie Palisades: Confgratulations, Nafi
Rose Springvale: yay naftali! you'll do a great job.
Delia Lake: one further question. will you talk with Danton, Claude?
Naftali Torok: thanks
Delia Lake: welcome Naf!
Claude Desmoulins: Have already IM'ed him.
Delia Lake: ok
Naftali Torok: winks at Delia again
Jamie Palisades: I will post to the forums any questions I have about how the SC plans to call meetings and give notices.
Naftali Torok: ok, good
Claude Desmoulins: BTW. If the const. amendment under consideration passes, Gwyn has requested SC review. If it passess there will be a meeting probably on short notice. It would be appreciated if current SC members could email me with available times for the week of June 22-26.
Claude Desmoulins: Hearing no objection. We are adjourned.
Delia Lake: did Gwyn formally request a review?
The meeting closed at 15:31 Linden time.