In attendance: Cindy Ecksol, Soro Dagastino, Pip Torok, Carolyn Saarinen, Joaquin Gustav, Sonja Strom, Gwyneth Llewelyn, Wasp Thor, StuiChicanne Darkstone
Requested 7 day vote: Arria Perrault
Cindy Ecksol: morning everyone
Cindy Ecksol: if you have not already done so, please click on the recorder to give consent to be recorded
Cindy Ecksol: I expect we'll have a quorum, so hopefully everyone will be here shortly
Ulysse Alexandre: hello Sour
Soro Dagostino has indicated consent to be recorded.
Ulysse Alexandre: Soro*
Soro Dagostino: Hi Uly
Junius Inaka: Hello guys
Ulysse Alexandre: hello Junius
Cindy Ecksol: hi junius
Cindy Ecksol: long time no see!
Ulysse Alexandre has indicated consent to be recorded.
Junius Inaka: really? 
Cindy Ecksol: Pip!
Cindy Ecksol: I thought you weren't going to make it today!
Cindy Ecksol: glad to see you...
Soro Dagostino: Hello Pip
Pip Torok: hi everyone
Soro Dagostino: Glad your here
Ulysse Alexandre: hello Pip
Pip Torok: tks cindy ... cdnt make lastr night (too sleepy)
Soro Dagostino: Hello Carolyn
Cindy Ecksol: it WAS kind of late for europeans
Cindy Ecksol: hi carolyn!
Carolyn Saarinen: Hi all
Cindy Ecksol: ah, and lilith too!
Joaquin Gustav: hello everyone
Joaquin Gustav has indicated consent to be recorded.
Cindy Ecksol: please click the recorder to indicate consent to record. agenda is in the amphora
Lilith Ivory: hi there
Soro Dagostino: Hi Joaquin
Lilith Ivory has indicated consent to be recorded.
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue:
Soro Dagostino: Hello Lilith
Carolyn Saarinen has indicated consent to be recorded.
Ulysse Alexandre: hello Lilith
Lilith Ivory: Hi Ulysse
Junius Inaka: Hi Sonja
Sonja Strom: Hi everybody
Ulysse Alexandre: hello Sonja
Pip Torok: hi sonja!
Sonja Strom: Good to see you here Ulysse
Sonja Strom: Piip
Cindy Ecksol: morning sonja!
Pip Torok: everybody this is alluvia from Ayrshire (interested in CDS)
Ulysse Alexandre: Thank you !
Cindy Ecksol: welcome alluvia...
Alluvia Somerset: Thank you and Hello to everyone
Sonja Strom: Welcome alluvia
Lilith Ivory: Hi alluvia
Pip Torok has indicated consent to be recorded.
Ulysse Alexandre: hello Gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn also says hi to everybody and sorry for being late...
Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.
Cindy Ecksol: lol! carolyn, love your seating alternative
Carolyn Saarinen: I do n't fit the seats, common problem for me 
Joaquin Gustav: welcome Alluvia
Alluvia Somerset: Thank you for your kind welcome, Sonja and Lilith and Joaquin
Cindy Ecksol: good solution -- I love creative thinking
Cindy Ecksol: let's see are we 7 yet?
Gwyneth Llewelyn tries to count 
Cindy Ecksol: I hope so....big agenda today
Cindy Ecksol: agenda in the amphora, click on the recorder if you plan to speak (or if you are a RA member)
Sonja Strom has indicated consent to be recorded.
Cindy Ecksol: ok, call to order -- we have a quorum.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay!
Joaquin Gustav: great
Cindy Ecksol: arria has requested a 7day vote
Cindy Ecksol: but probably will be here later.
Cindy Ecksol: any additions to agenda?
Soro Dagostino: I sent you one last night.
Cindy Ecksol: yep, alraedy included -- great minds think alike
Soro Dagostino: Ty
Cindy Ecksol: anything else?
Cindy Ecksol: ok, future RA schedule.
Cindy Ecksol: calendar says we have a meeting next week (two weeks in a row because this one is postponed)
Cindy Ecksol: I will be in Ireland in RL and unable to chair -- Soro, can you chair a meeting next week?
Soro Dagostino: Next week is ok
Soro Dagostino: Not the following.
Cindy Ecksol: everyone else ok for 11 October as scheduled?
Pip Torok: yes ..
Carolyn Saarinen: so far as i know
Cindy Ecksol: ok, then 11 Oct it is.
Joaquin Gustav: ok for me
Cindy Ecksol: let's see...
Cindy Ecksol: old business....
Cindy Ecksol: Carolyn, what's up with the in-world status board?
Cindy Ecksol: anything new?
Cindy Ecksol: poke!
Carolyn Saarinen: I mmet the guy to look at it. It seemed to meet our needs, so I paid the man and asked him to deliver to Rudeen. She confirmed she had it. I don't know if she's done anything so far.
Cindy Ecksol: ok....
Cindy Ecksol: Could we ask you to follow up with rose on that?
Carolyn Saarinen: Will do.
Cindy Ecksol: seems like a good idea....just need to decide where to put it....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: /nod
Carolyn Saarinen: We can have multiple locations if we need to.
Cindy Ecksol: yes, good idea....
Cindy Ecksol: ok...moving on.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would prefer that too...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (ok)
Cindy Ecksol: Proposal to change election dates....
Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles
Cindy Ecksol: much discussion last time...no conclusions.
Cindy Ecksol: where do we want to go with this?
Carolyn Saarinen: To a decision presumably.
Carolyn Saarinen: Since some people see a problem, we need to resolve it.
Cindy Ecksol: I believe the notcard giver gave us the proposed bill, eh?
Pip Torok: as i see it it gives time to get a definite elction date together ... its the seating thats specified here
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm not sure if I was in-world last time... but I'm still for a change away from the "holiday season", even though I agree it should apply only to the next RA, not to us.
Jamie Palisades has indicated consent to be recorded.
Carolyn Saarinen: I have no special preference personally,...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd also love to have a more *exact* specification of the dates,
Carolyn Saarinen: but I know many feel that the present system requires campaigning at atime that is busy in both worlds.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: not just when teh RA "takes office"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: but:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) When is the citizen roll count done
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) When the parties have to announce their candidates
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 3) When the campaigning begins
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 4) When the elections take place
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 5) When they finish
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 6) When the RA takes office
Cindy Ecksol: gwyn, the constitution specifies all of that relative to the date when RA takes office.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: All the above are always vague and subject to misunderstandings and misinterpretations every time 
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes ? avguelu
Cindy Ecksol: it's unnecessary to include more specific language in the constitution
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *vaguely
Cindy Ecksol: no -- very specifically! "Third tuesday before...." etc. Easy to calculate on the calendar.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right! Cindy, then let me ask my fellow RA members the following
Cindy Ecksol: only problem is that we don't actually calculate and publish those dates
Cindy Ecksol: we SHOULD!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Get a calendar, and tell me all teh above dates for the *next* elections.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: See how long it takes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And, more important, see if you get them +right*
Cindy Ecksol: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... ion#p13797
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (specially 1, which is quite hard to figure out since there are TWO roll calls, and the number can be different: the one for parties to make sure they have enough members, and the one to calculate how many citizens are allowed to vote)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, point taken, Cindy, but how long did it take you to calculate that?
Cindy Ecksol: 5 minutes...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow
Cindy Ecksol: would be even easier if we just put the dates on the calendar
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, I withdraw my argument
Carolyn Saarinen: I would agree with the need for a publicly posted schedule.
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: Soro Dagostino
Cindy Ecksol: Soro, you had a questions?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I usually take 2 weeks, and taht's just to discuss with the many people involved in the process to make sure taht each other's interpretations actually agree with each other...
Soro Dagostino: Call the question
Soro Dagostino: Non-debattable
Cindy Ecksol: ok, do we need a second?
StuiChicanne Darkstone has indicated consent to be recorded.
Soro Dagostino: Yes
Cindy Ecksol: Soro has moved that we vote on the proposed bill
Cindy Ecksol: do I have a second?
Wasp Thor: I second it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure, I'll second that, but a clarification first...
Cindy Ecksol: yes gwyn?
Soro Dagostino: Non debatable
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah!
Cindy Ecksol: soro, why non-debatable?
Soro Dagostino: Roberts rule so say.
Carolyn Saarinen: please clarify 'non-debatable'
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, that's really a pity, because in that case I'd have to vote against something with which I fundamenteally agree with, just because I can't ask a question...
Soro Dagostino: When the question is called -- it is a motion to terminate debate.
Jamie Palisades chuckles and mumbles something about Robert's not being in effect here
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Everything is debatable
Cindy Ecksol: all right....
Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles and seconds Jamie.
Cindy Ecksol: I am going ot allow Gwyn's question
Soro Dagostino: If the body wants to rag on about the matter.
Cindy Ecksol: Gwyn?
Soro Dagostino: Then defeat the motion
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I just wanted to know *when* the proposed bill will enter in effect:
Pip Torok: agree with stu
Gwyneth Llewelyn: - immediately, e.g. the next term will start on 1 December;
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or - only on the subsequent term
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's a simple question
StuiChicanne Darkstone: if people choose to debate that is
Cindy Ecksol: I read it as starting this next term.
Cindy Ecksol: ie next term will start Dec 1
Jamie Palisades chuckles again ., seeing the effect his clicking has on the Throne of the Prince of Questions
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: Jamie Palisades
Cindy Ecksol: Jamie, you have a question?
Jamie Palisades: I do. And it;s just for clarification for the sake of our SC and next term's candidates
Jamie Palisades: if this bill is passed
Cindy Ecksol: you have the floor
Jamie Palisades: does it shorten THE CURRENT ter,?
Jamie Palisades: *term
Cindy Ecksol: yes, it does.
Cindy Ecksol: at least that's how I read it -- anyone else?
Jamie Palisades: thanks just wanted that spelled out
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: StuiChicanne Darkstone
Cindy Ecksol: stui?
Carolyn Saarinen: But my scheme of conquest has barely begun!!!
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Jamie Palisades: I could imagine some thinking that it;s constitutionally illegal for this body to change ITS term, but that's, ah, not my table
Cindy Ecksol: Stui?
Gwyneth Llewelyn could imagine the same, but, alas, I'll be fine to let the SC sort it out
Carolyn Saarinen: Gwyn, have mercy!
Cindy Ecksol: I think there would be more concern if we were to LENGTHEN our term....
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I have a question, as a new member of the RA... doesn't shortening the term make it more awkward for me to get a grip on all this before having to start over ?
Pip Torok: agree with Cindy
Cindy Ecksol: shortening our term should not be a problem, at least not ethically speaking.
Cindy Ecksol: yes, stui....it does.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ethically, yes, you're right, Cindy!
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: Jamie Palisades
Cindy Ecksol: Jamie?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well I don't like that idea
Jamie Palisades smiles. I asked to be recognized again to make a suggestion
Cindy Ecksol: you have the floor jamie
Cindy Ecksol: gwyn is next
Jamie Palisades: If Stui wants to recah the outcome he is descrbiing, all he needs to do is move to amend the bill to "take effect after the conclusion of the current term."
Jamie Palisades: just pointing out how to frame this.
Cindy Ecksol: so we would shorten the NEXT RA's term?
Cindy Ecksol: hmmm....seems reasonable to me.....
Jamie Palisades: yup - thus not distrubing what the electroarte did last vote
Cindy Ecksol: stui, do you want to amend?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: that is more reasonable to us newbies I think
Cindy Ecksol: do we have a second?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: as we hve had very little time to adjust
Gwyneth Llewelyn will definitely second the suggestion to amend
Jamie Palisades: though, as Cindy noted, SC might be *more* upset if you *lenghtened* your term - this is just sort of like a mass abdication a month early
Jamie Palisades smiles, sits down, shuts up
Cindy Ecksol: ok, we have a second to add "This amendment will take place take effect after the conclusion of the current term."
Cindy Ecksol: any other discussion?
Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds that
Cindy Ecksol: or can we call the question?
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: Gwyneth Llewelyn
Cindy Ecksol: Gwyn, did I miss you or have you had your say?
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: Soro Dagostino
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I was on the queue just to make one comment... we sort of have a compromise with the AA-pre-CDS members to have this "special" RA for "a term" which was defined, in June, as "lasting 6 months"
Soro Dagostino: Yeild
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (sorry, it was just that)
Cindy Ecksol: ok...
Cindy Ecksol: ok...so we have resolved that.
Cindy Ecksol: do I have a motion to approve?
Cindy Ecksol: as ameneded of course
Pip Torok: i would say yes
Cindy Ecksol: thank you pip.
Cindy Ecksol: seocnd?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine with the motion and second it.
Cindy Ecksol: thank you. all in favor?
Soro Dagostino: Yes.
Pip Torok: aye
Wasp Thor: aye
Carolyn Saarinen: aye
Joaquin Gustav: aye
Cindy Ecksol: and I say aye also.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye aye
Sonja Strom: aye
Cindy Ecksol: ok, motion carries. we have a new election schedule. I will take responsibility for publishing both the upcoming schedule and schedule for the next term
Jamie Palisades: If I may, as a clarification in the record for the SC later, we think that the outcome of that will be a slightly shortened NEXT term? Yes?
Cindy Ecksol: yes, Jamie.
Jamie Palisades: thx
Cindy Ecksol: thank you...
Cindy Ecksol: moving on....
Cindy Ecksol: anything new with your regional commissions, Jamie?
Jamie Palisades: under budget, Cindy at the risk of sounding like a rapper, it's alll about the money
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Jamie Palisades: Bit about half of the positions have been accepted
Pip Torok: am i in that half jamie?
Cindy Ecksol: ok, then why don't we move on to new business and let you tell us about the budget
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Cindy Ecksol: you there jamie? you have the floor...
Jamie Palisades smiles, waits
Jamie Palisades: ah good sorry, was waiting to hear that
Jamie Palisades: OK, to start off
Jamie Palisades: Sorry I missed the first 5 minuts, but I will ask that under other business we ask Rose to make a few announcements about the successfull completed, and upcoming, Oktoberfest events.
Cindy Ecksol makes a note
Jamie Palisades: A nice transition - because events are a big part of our discretionart budget as well
Jamie Palisades: Let me ask everyone to take a second to call up my notes for this meeting on their web broswers if convenient -
Jamie Palisades: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2575
Sonja Strom: Thanks for this Jamie.
Cindy Ecksol: ah, great!
Jamie Palisades: OK, I will wait 30 secs here so everyone has it
Jamie Palisades: The structure here is simply:
Jamie Palisades: a. Start from Sudane's numbers
Jamie Palisades: b. Note the recurring obvious expenses
Jamie Palisades: c. Figure out what's left over and plan to spend most of it
Jamie Palisades: (bearing in mind that a reserve is built in)
Jamie Palisades: that last item is where most of the discretion is
Jamie Palisades: and as you iwll see, goes straight to the question of how much we spend on those regional commissions.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
Jamie Palisades: now, BEFORE I get into that
Jamie Palisades: let me note two things
Jamie Palisades: this is a OPERATING budget
Jamie Palisades: so, in a sense, it really does not look at questions like, what if sim prices go up or down in the future
Jamie Palisades: or
Jamie Palisades: do we want to add another sim
Jamie Palisades: those are, roughly, CAPITAL budget issues
Jamie Palisades: and I expect us to talk about them too but that's not the first task
Jamie Palisades: firsdt we get the day-to-day "run rate" of expenses settled
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well at least we know that Jamie isn't good old Gordon
Gwyneth Llewelyn *coughs*
Jamie Palisades: thus, expect another presentation, within about a monht, on possible sim price & expansion issues
Jamie Palisades: Hah - well - we'll see Gordo still has his job too .. for now
Jamie Palisades: so much for preliminaries
Jamie Palisades: I think one major structural change that we ought to note
Jamie Palisades: is our hope, over some months now, to devolve some event planning down to the "regional commissions" we've disussed
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Jamie Palisades: IOne point is local control and mnore citizen involvement
Jamie Palisades: Frankly, another is decentralization of the load on Rose Springvale, who has been our incredibly hard working
Jamie Palisades: but dangerously irreplaceable
Jamie Palisades: font of all event stuff so I thikn she woudl tell you that she;s as happy as I am to get some decentralization built into our system
StuiChicanne Darkstone: YAY FLOWER GIRL !
Jamie Palisades: indfeed
Carolyn Saarinen: ;0
Jamie Palisades: and we want to run the place so the she can continue to contribute, and not drop
Rose Springvale smiles
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes
Jamie Palisades: apropros of that
Jamie Palisades: as I mentione dthat her role will change, somethign we have been disussing for months
Jamie Palisades: let me also mention, as part of the structure for coordinating the budgeted events
Jamie Palisades: that she;s finally agreed to a title change
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
Jamie Palisades: announced today, here ->
Jamie Palisades: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2576
Cindy Ecksol: heh!
Jamie Palisades: this, of course, is simple a transparent attempt for me to shrug off blame if this whole events/regional thing blows up
Jamie Palisades: um - i mean -
Jamie Palisades: get more help
Cindy Ecksol: you mean "Give proper credit when the program is a wild success" right?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well I'll be a dancer and give out drinks
Jamie Palisades: exactly
Jamie Palisades:
StuiChicanne Darkstone: get people drunk
Jamie Palisades: that too, Stui
StuiChicanne Darkstone: and it always goes well
Jamie Palisades: although, hmm, Confederation Bartender -- do we have that position yet?
Jamie Palisades: Let's look at those numbers
Rose Springvale: under my umbrella
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Cindy I'll have your creme de menthe ready
Cindy Ecksol: yes!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: and Pip can have his pina coladas
Jamie Palisades: Sigh
Pip Torok is grateful
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Jamie is paying
Jamie Palisades: (1) Tier payments and net against rents are built into this
Soro Dagostino waves hand
Soro Dagostino: Point of information
Cindy Ecksol: will you yield to soro for a question jamie?
Rose Springvale: uh oh lol
Soro Dagostino: ooops!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Soro now look what you did
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
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