RA Meeting 11 October 2009: Transcript

[Cindy Ecksol]

Meeting on 2009-10-11
Those present:
Soro Dagostino is in the chair.
Soro Dagostino: Hello Sonja
Sonja Strom: Hello
Soro Dagostino: Hopefully we will have a quorum.
Sonja Strom: Yeah
Sonja Strom: Too early to tell
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hello all!
Sonja Strom: Hi Gwyneth
Soro Dagostino: Hello Gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good morning/afternoon
Sonja Strom: Hi Joaquin
Joaquin Gustav: hello!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hello, JoaquiN!
Soro Dagostino: Hello Jaaquin
Joaquin Gustav: Hello friends
Sonja Strom:
Joaquin Gustav has indicated consent to be recorded.
Soro Dagostino: Pip and Stui are near.
Sonja Strom has indicated consent to be recorded.
Soro Dagostino: Need one more . . .
Soro Dagostino: Good day Pip . . .
Pip Torok: good day ... good day everyone
Joaquin Gustav: good day pip
Pip Torok: are we quorate?
Soro Dagostino: Not yet
Pip Torok: hi Jo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Almost, almost!
Sonja Strom: Hi Pip
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And hi Pip
Soro Dagostino: Stui is about.
Soro Dagostino: Need another.
Pip Torok: shall I shout a word in his ear?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Would it work anyway?
Soro Dagostino: Please do . . .
Pip Torok: hehe
Soro Dagostino: Here he is.
Joaquin Gustav: helloStui
Soro Dagostino: Hi Stui
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Welcom, Stui!!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Good day all
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm here
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good day indeed
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Soro can I sit in your seat ?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
StuiChicanne Darkstone: so I can see the view
Pip Torok: you forestalled me Stu!
StuiChicanne Darkstone:
Joaquin Gustav: Rose is here!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: ha from here you can see everyone !
Pip Torok has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well other than me *LOL*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Sonja Strom: With that seat comes a lot of privilege.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and a lot of responsibility!...
Sonja Strom: yes!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well it doesn't come with a cushion
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Like, well, Spiderman
Joaquin Gustav: Rose! good morning
Rose Springvale: hi everyone
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi, dear Rose
Soro Dagostino: Hello Rose.
Sonja Strom: Hi Rose
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Soro we'll buy you a cushion
Pip Torok: hi Rose ...
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Good day Rosy !
Rose Springvale: looking at my friends list...sigh. one shy of quorum?
Sonja Strom: It looks to me like it has a cushion.
Soro Dagostino: Yes
StuiChicanne Darkstone: oooh the Cushion rezed !
Soro Dagostino: What has happened to the builder
Sonja Strom:
Soro Dagostino: Lawyer.
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Rose Springvale: so .. rob, naf, wasp, micael, arria, cindy... who's the other one?
Rose Springvale: feels the need to start some peer pressure
StuiChicanne Darkstone: it's not me
Soro Dagostino: There is an agenda in the pot
Rose Springvale: look stui, matched your feathers
Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.
Soro Dagostino: Please consent by touching the recorder on the table.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh indeed, Rose
Gwyneth Llewelyn: wow that dress is gorgeous...
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Rosy we'll have to do a photoshoot
Rose Springvale: thanks!
Rose Springvale: it comes long too
Rose Springvale: Nikky Ree
StuiChicanne Darkstone has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh
Sonja Strom: wow yeah, it is!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, I have to take a look at Nikky!
Rose Springvale: thanks
Rose Springvale: oh
Rose Springvale: well take lots of money lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
Rose Springvale: caro is the other
StuiChicanne Darkstone: anyone want some caberet while we wait ?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll skip on the CDS rent payments then
Rose Springvale: i thought she'd be here
Gwyneth Llewelyn *chuckles*
Rose Springvale: i had to lol
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I can do a dance
Rose Springvale: i gave all my money to the boobie ball lol
Sonja Strom: ok Stui
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What is a "boobie ball"????
Rose Springvale: then when i tried to pay rent, sl wasnt doing transactions!
Rose Springvale: oh gwyn!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^
StuiChicanne Darkstone: ~ Time to River Dance ~
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seriously, I don't know what that is
Rose Springvale: here, i'll find the notecard.. fundraiser for Breast cancer...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right! I thought as much lol
StuiChicanne Darkstone: ha I have an idea
StuiChicanne Darkstone: for the CDS christmas card
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... but for a foreigner, hearing those two words out of context....
StuiChicanne Darkstone: we can all riverdance
StuiChicanne Darkstone: here
Rose Springvale: smiels
StuiChicanne Darkstone: in a line
Pip Torok: sounds sound like a Goon-show record!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Pip can be santa claus
Sonja Strom: Maybe the first agenda item should be "Gathering RA members"
Pip Torok: the Ying-Tong Song ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Sonja ? you're quite right!
Rose Springvale: the boobie ball raises money by getting prominent personalities to go topless
Sonja Strom:
Soro Dagostino: Yep!
Joaquin Gustav: i have the same problem with transactions
Pip Torok: need 5 yrs to grow a beard!
Rose Springvale: even Herr Baron stripped down to his kilt
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I AM NOT GOING TOPLESS !
Sonja Strom: Second is "RA Collective Riverdance"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Stui
Rose Springvale: stui dear, you are always topless lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not today, he isn't!
Soro Dagostino: Welcom Fern
StuiChicanne Darkstone: that's why I won't
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Sonja Strom: Hi Fern, welcome
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I could wear a bra I suppose
Rose Springvale: hi Fern
Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hello , Fern
Fern Leissa: Hi
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Squeeze a boob find a friend !
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
Pip Torok: hi Fern
Rose Springvale: fern if they have a meeting you might want to move up to the front row.. just outside of chat range for some of them
Rose Springvale: but still a rep short
Fern Leissa: JThanks
Rose Springvale: let me try ims, see if i can get anyone to wake up
Soro Dagostino: That would be good.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Do we still have a problem with the chat range?... we can move closer to the audience I suppose
Soro Dagostino: I sent a note to all,
Rose Springvale: i'm sending private ones
StuiChicanne Darkstone: JAMIE !!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi Jamie
Soro Dagostino: Hello Jamie.
Sonja Strom: Hi Jamie
StuiChicanne Darkstone: one for soro !
Rose Springvale: Hi Jamie
Pip Torok: hi Jamie
Jamie Palisades smiles, nods,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh is that a Highlander outfit?
Rose Springvale: have you all heard from Arria?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Jamie is in a skirt
Sonja Strom: very nice, isn't it?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
StuiChicanne Darkstone: *squeezes Jamie's boob*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: nice skirt
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
Rose Springvale: we know cindy is out and i think caro said she's gone
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Jamie are you going topless for the boobie ball ?
Rose Springvale: sent notes to naf, micael, caro and wasp
Soro Dagostino: Ok, we do not have a quorum.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm very excitable
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I had a lot of cookies
Jamie Palisades smiles, curtsies, makes a note of prejudice against Scots for his future SC appeal to have you all hung in the Platz
Sonja Strom: sugar high!
Soro Dagostino: Lets talk about the items on the Agenda -- and wait for 7 day votes?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: sure...
Rose Springvale: message back from Rob, on the road, so he wont' be here
Rose Springvale: can you do that?
Joaquin Gustav: the ones that confirmed in doodle we are all here
Rose Springvale: can you get quorum from 7 days?
Soro Dagostino: Yes, any action is subject to ratification.
Rose Springvale: cool
Soro Dagostino: We are all kept in suspense.
Sonja Strom: I don't know about a quorum, but we can have an open conversation.
Sonja Strom: We have done that in the past.
Pip Torok: good idea
Sonja Strom: Just not have any votes at this meeting...
Jamie Palisades smiles, raises hand on a point of order
Soro Dagostino: We always have open discussion -- no order at all . . .))
Soro Dagostino: Jamie
StuiChicanne Darkstone: we could talk about Christmas !
Soro Dagostino: Non action items.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the Winter Holidays in the CDS ...
Soro Dagostino: Administrative reports.
Sonja Strom: Halloween
Jamie Palisades: Just confirming - I think disvussion;s fine, but an actual initiation of a vote & motion today, later confirmed by additional 7 days absentee votes, would fail for the lack of quorum here, no?
Sonja Strom: I agree with Jamie.
Rose Springvale: if she comes, we have a quorum yes?
Soro Dagostino: I just saw that .
Soro Dagostino: Yes
StuiChicanne Darkstone: the things you have to do for a bottle of aftershave
Pip Torok: hi caro!!
Rose Springvale: you have to stop drinking that stuff Stui!
Soro Dagostino: Hello Carol
Rose Springvale: yay caro, quorum maker!
Carolyn Saarinen: Hi, sorry i'm late, log in and TP problems
Sonja Strom: Hi Carolyn
Soro Dagostino: Would you all please touch the recorder to consent to recording the meeting.
Pip Torok: (tell me about 'em!)
Sonja Strom: sorry about the problems...
Carolyn Saarinen has indicated consent to be recorded.
Sonja Strom: I know what that is like
Soro Dagostino: Jamie do you have a report?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I see Caro hi
Jamie Palisades: Soro, the only major item is the continuation of the budget chat from last week
Pip Torok: errm agenda !!a ???
Pip Torok: *IIa
Soro Dagostino: We will wait for that.
Jamie Palisades: yes - i was looking for that, too, pip
Sonja Strom: In the amphora.
Soro Dagostino: Any changes to the agenda?
Sonja Strom: Under the table.
Soro Dagostino: Any?
Sonja Strom: I don't have any changes.
Soro Dagostino: Do I hear a motion to approve the Agenda as published?
Pip Torok: so oved
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seconds
Pip Torok: *so moved
Soro Dagostino: Thank you
Soro Dagostino: any discussion?
Soro Dagostino: All in favor?
Pip Torok: aye
Sonja Strom: aye aye
Joaquin Gustav: aye
Carolyn Saarinen: aye
Soro Dagostino: Opposed?
Soro Dagostino: Motion carries.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (sorry, aye)
Soro Dagostino: A note -- The next meeting is October 25.
Soro Dagostino: Cindy will be back . . . Yay!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Soro Dagostino: I know she has a seven day vote.
Soro Dagostino: Moving to the agenda items.
Soro Dagostino: Jamie, would you move to the Budget report, and then we will take up the In-world status board report.
Pip Torok: (gesundheit)
Soro Dagostino: Jamie?
Soro Dagostino: Rose -- Poke Jamie
Jamie Palisades: Thanks
Jamie Palisades: budget
Soro Dagostino:
Jamie Palisades: a reminder
Jamie Palisades: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2575
Jamie Palisades: is the URI from which we were working last week
Jamie Palisades: and to recap
Jamie Palisades: much of our budget is rote, that is to say, a simple knockoff of necessities
Jamie Palisades: - we collect rent from citizens
Jamie Palisades: - we pay rent (tier) to Linden Lab
Jamie Palisades: as you saw form Sudane's presentation here in late August
Jamie Palisades: that yields a nice small surplus every month
Jamie Palisades: from which we set aside 25%
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
Jamie Palisades: and really, here today, we are talking about how to spend the rest
Jamie Palisades: ..
Jamie Palisades: now before I talk about that
Jamie Palisades: let me point out
Jamie Palisades: there will be other things to talk about OTHER than the monthly routine operation budget
Jamie Palisades: e.g.
Jamie Palisades: 1. Rent harmonization
Jamie Palisades: 2. new sims if any
Jamie Palisades: 3. and revising our payments to the Lindens
Jamie Palisades: (which could go up or down, so we need to plan for that, long term, too)
Jamie Palisades: but those aren't today's topic
Jamie Palisades: today, we just start where Sudane left off -- how do we spend the mild surplus generated from steady state monthly operations?
Jamie Palisades: ..
Jamie Palisades: and looking at the Forum URI, you can see there are 3 sanswers
Jamie Palisades: none of which are wholly new
Jamie Palisades: the first two speak for themselves, an dboth follow from old acts of the RA
Jamie Palisades: a. stipends to executive branch officials, except me
Jamie Palisades: which makes the volunteer work a *little* more palatable for them
Jamie Palisades: and we've done for years
Jamie Palisades: and b. some of our web hosting costs
Jamie Palisades: the real judgment gets exercised in the third category, which is events
Jamie Palisades: we underspent in prior years
Jamie Palisades: this year we are proposing, as you know, to devolve some work to regions
Jamie Palisades: now - from a "CDS law" point of view
Jamie Palisades: this is my presentation on the expenses I plan to authorize
Jamie Palisades: and you may if you wish change it by an act of the RA
Jamie Palisades: frankly, most terms, the RA didn;t touch the budget
Jamie Palisades: *sigh* some terms, a chancellor didn;t either
Jamie Palisades: but if you do NOT act, anyway, this is what we plan to do
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Jamie Palisades: before any issue of amendment or approval, though
Jamie Palisades: there's consultation
Jamie Palisades: and on this matter particularly, events plans, this is the point to get feedback
Jamie Palisades: if you look in detail at the event budget
Jamie Palisades: it uses numbers (derived from our past activity under Rose's creative guidance) ...
Jamie Palisades: .. for CDS-wide events
Jamie Palisades: like Oktoberfest & Feria & the inaugural balls
Jamie Palisades: but this leaves a little less that L$50000/month unspent
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Amazing how little the CDS spends...
Jamie Palisades: you can see that in item 5 (c) in the posted notes
Jamie Palisades: isn't it
Jamie Palisades: so
Jamie Palisades: our NEXT problem
Gwyneth Llewelyn grins
Rose Springvale: jamie, is it 50000 per month or per term?
Rose Springvale: sorry, out of order
Jamie Palisades: is to figure out how to coordinate regional citizen involvement in decisions about that
Jamie Palisades: ... 50000 per month
Carolyn Saarinen: Blimey!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^
Soro Dagostino: Exclamations of disbelief are in order!
Gwyneth Llewelyn gasps.
Soro Dagostino:
Jamie Palisades: well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow, the CDS is definitely a *rich* community lol
Jamie Palisades: let's not get too excited abuot that
Jamie Palisades: no
Jamie Palisades: consider
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, we wish to buy a few sims as well
Jamie Palisades: let's say we have one concert per week at L$7000 in a sim
Soro Dagostino: And congratulations to Jamie and Sudane for a job well done
Jamie Palisades: 7x4 = 28
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes, Soro, we should vote on that!!!)
Jamie Palisades: so there's half your budget gone
Gwyneth Llewelyn: True, true. Jamie )
Jamie Palisades: Rose, Could I ask you to ralk a little about what's happening in SL with venues, tip jars, and the trends in paid musicians?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Please do!
Rose Springvale: sure
Jamie Palisades: *talk, i mean - but rock too, by all means
Carolyn Saarinen: About $180USD
Rose Springvale: maybe Joaquin will have things to add too
Jamie Palisades: (I use 275/1 this season Caro)
Joaquin Gustav: not really
Rose Springvale: As you all know, there is some great live music available in SL
Joaquin Gustav: i am following your exposition
Joaquin Gustav: and i could prepare a list of entretainers
Rose Springvale: for the most part, live music is a great attraction to sims, and especially beneficial when the sim is trying to attract traffic, either to sell goods, or land or concepts
Rose Springvale: STANDARD rates for good musicians like Joa right now, are 5k per performance
Rose Springvale: some performers will negotiate their prices for consistent engagements
Rose Springvale: soem will work for tips
Rose Springvale: i generally only agree to pay 5k to performers who have 3 things, just for background... 1, an active group
Joaquin Gustav: yes, and there is also an option of bringing a thematic dj
Rose Springvale: 2. their own stream
Rose Springvale: 3. assistants
Joaquin Gustav: sorry rose
Rose Springvale: for major events, i like to have performers who pretty much guarantee us 40 avis
Rose Springvale: now
Rose Springvale: in most sims
Rose Springvale: the cost of the musician, and the cost of the land make live music very expensive
Rose Springvale: and many venues close on an ongoing pattern
Rose Springvale: recently
Rose Springvale: through the efforts of a group called Live Music Venues
Rose Springvale: there has been an experiment going around with cover charges
Rose Springvale: ticketed performances
Rose Springvale: where popular performers are paid a) from ticket sales
Rose Springvale: or b) the revenue is shared by both the musician and the venue owner
Rose Springvale: Mankind Tracer created this system
Rose Springvale: and has volunteered to do a performance for us if we are interested in trying it
Rose Springvale: the point being
Rose Springvale: that when we dont' have anything to sell

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[Cindy Ecksol]

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Rose Springvale: then our music becomes entertainment
Rose Springvale: and sadly
Rose Springvale: in MOST of our events
Rose Springvale: most of the people attending are not CDS citizens
Jamie Palisades: .. or that could be a good thing, if we are selling land
Rose Springvale: yes. is that what you wanted Jamie?
Jamie Palisades: .. yes, thanks. And we should take a second to
Jamie Palisades: acknowledge some of our colleagues
Rose Springvale: smiles
Jamie Palisades: Pip, Caro. Stui, Joaquin, Cindy and Sonja come to mind
Jamie Palisades: who really do regularly make a point of showing up at our social events
Jamie Palisades: i am sure I have missed some'
Rose Springvale: smiles
Jamie Palisades: and we've seen all of you at one time or another
StuiChicanne Darkstone:
Rose Springvale: but there are some we have NEVER seen
Jamie Palisades: but it helps us promote CDS, so - thanks
Jamie Palisades: anyway, grin
Jamie Palisades: that's where the money goes
Jamie Palisades: and
Jamie Palisades: what I hope to see NEXT
Jamie Palisades: is
Jamie Palisades: (with rose's help, quelle surprise)
Jamie Palisades: Andalusian, Alpine and Roman citizen panels convene to advise us on how to use the rest of those funds for programs
Jamie Palisades: several of you alreday have been good enough to agree to help us convene those
Jamie Palisades: I doubt we'd just do an arithmetic split of the funds
Jamie Palisades: but that's an issue we will need to work out as the demand for programming evolves
Rose Springvale raises hand
Jamie Palisades: and with that - and a request for your input on it - I'm done, believe it or not.
Soro Dagostino: Rose
Rose Springvale: i can wait until after the ra soro... i think they get to go firs
Rose Springvale: first
Soro Dagostino: Is there a motion to approve the budget?
Rose Springvale: oh
Rose Springvale: lol
Jamie Palisades: you are welcome to, though it's not legally required
Rose Springvale: i had one more comment
Sonja Strom: I would like to hear what Rose wants to say.
Soro Dagostino: Then no action is necessary for today?
Soro Dagostino: Rose?
Jamie Palisades: me too, Sonja
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (I'd be fine in approving the budget but allowing for some more time to discuss?)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (e.g. Rose m)
Rose Springvale: yes, i wanted to add that it is really important as we look at these allocations to remember that most of the events that sprinkle our calendar today
Rose Springvale: are privately funded.
Rose Springvale: ie
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Rosy ! ROSY ! Rosy !
Rose Springvale: we have not given any financial support to theater of the clouds,
Soro Dagostino: The reason for the Motion -- is to allow for discussion
Rose Springvale: or to the Old Bowl
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (oh, ok, Soro!)
Jamie Palisades: (that's Pip's AM artists group, yes?)
Rose Springvale: CDS has been financing the Al Zahra concerts since they started collecting the funds from aa in July
Pip Torok hears of the Old Bowl and suddenly pays attention ....
Rose Springvale: yes, that's Pips place
Rose Springvale: so one of the things the regional groups may want to consider is supporting what is already being done
Rose Springvale: if they choose NOT to
Rose Springvale: then some of that programming will no doubt be revised
Soro Dagostino: [what isn't "Pip's place?]
Rose Springvale: lol
Pip Torok: now now!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: my house
StuiChicanne Darkstone: it says "Stui's"
Soro Dagostino: Don't be to sure
Rose Springvale: smile
Soro Dagostino:
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I shall check for his shoes under my bed tho
Rose Springvale: that's all unless you have questions
Soro Dagostino: What is the sense of the body?
Pip Torok: (mostly non-existent shoes these days)
Soro Dagostino: Do we need a Motion to approve?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: two different things I believe ? one is the budget, the other are the Regional Comissions, which, in fact, don't need explicit RA approval
Jamie Palisades: and ar etheir own agenda item, I think
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's just an Executive function, they can delegate it to anyone
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* and that too, Jamie
Soro Dagostino: Regional Commissions are on the Agenda.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, well, I'll move a motion to approve the budget, so that we can discuss it properly hehe
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I think we should buy a gavel
Pip Torok: seconded
Soro Dagostino: Discussion?
Soro Dagostino: Ready for the vote?
Gwyneth Llewelyn was a bit busy in browsing through the forums,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh sorry
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have a question
Gwyneth Llewelyn *raises hand*
Gwyneth Llewelyn clicks on the question mark thingy
Sonja Strom: Thanks for all the work on this to Sudane, Jamie, Rose, and anybody else I might not have mentioned.
Soro Dagostino: Yes Gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, since Jamie probably has this written somewhere,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or has a link to a forum thread,
Jamie Palisades: ?
Rose Springvale gasps. all i do is spend it!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's easier to ask...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What percentage of the overall revenue of the CDS is going to be allocated to events?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (I'm sure that the requirements for having a standing reserve will have been already figured out etc)
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Rosy ! can we have a christmas tree that's hugest ?
Soro Dagostino: Stui . . . BONK, BONK
Jamie Palisades: ah. OK. Hmmmmm. (using calculator)
Soro Dagostino: the gavel.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: L$76450 is the monthly revenue?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Soro just bonked me
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Quoting from the forum post... "Potential budget for these = L$76450 ? 7000 ? 2750 ? 12000 ? 1666 = no more than L$49700"
Jamie Palisades: Net income after tier is projected at L$101750/month
Jamie Palisades: so even just by eyeball,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah ok!!!
Pip Torok: can I suggest 60% of the "no more than" figure for entertainment?
Jamie Palisades: L$14000 or so per month is CDS wide events
Jamie Palisades: and we are talking about L$49700 max here for the regions
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok... so mmmh
Jamie Palisades: per month
Jamie Palisades: so that's what, about 63% ?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah ok
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Something like that, yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So mmh
Jamie Palisades: 14+50/102
Gwyneth Llewelyn: what are the extra L$25k for?
Jamie Palisades: in rough shorthand
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Further expansion? Financial reserve?
Jamie Palisades packs his suitcase for Cuba .. um .. i mean ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
Pip Torok: lol
Jamie Palisades: heh, no, it goes to the website, stipends and reserves
Jamie Palisades: remember
Jamie Palisades: sudance has asked and we long ago agreed to set side 1/4 into reserve
Jamie Palisades: *sudane, sorry
Gwyneth Llewelyn: AH ok, that's what I was wondering!
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Jamie Palisades: that was covered in the August RA budget show she provided
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, roughly L$25k for reserves
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes, I was trying to get that forum thread, the nice one with the slides and all!)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The reason I was asking that,
Soro Dagostino: Any more questions?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: is because I'm interested in knowing if we can afford further expansion this term
Rose Springvale: oh Gwyn
Soro Dagostino: Is the body ready for the vote?
Jamie Palisades: well, that, as I said Gwyn, is completely separate
Jamie Palisades: here's why
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I guess we could ? at the expense of cutting on the events...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
Gwyneth Llewelyn listens
Jamie Palisades: we WERE disussing the operating budget
Pip Torok: always something to keep in mind
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* and agrees, yes
Jamie Palisades: EXPANSION is a CAPITAL budget item
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Rose Springvale: why would we cut events? we'd have more sims more people, more money
Jamie Palisades: which means taking money out of our banks funds
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, yes
Jamie Palisades: *banked funds
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps I should have asked the question slightly differently....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (because the funds are NOT zero )
Jamie Palisades: which -- well I did not check it to bring to this rpeort, but they are pretty high
Rose Springvale: " can we build a new sim please?"
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes, ROse!)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I should perhaps ask, can we AFFORD it?
Sonja Strom: Here is Sudane's presentation: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2520
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Taking into account that we have at least the following overhead...
Jamie Palisades: And the answer would be, yes, easily
StuiChicanne Darkstone: can we have a big bridge ?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (oh thanks, Sonja!)
Jamie Palisades: sure prims are cheap. Wanna build it?
Soro Dagostino: That is getting off topic.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: - buying new sim
Rose Springvale: yes!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh
Soro Dagostino: And we are running short on time.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ordering a new sim IS budget
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But ok, Soro,
Jamie Palisades: may I suggest, Soro, that we bring back a CAPITAL budget report to a future meeting?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I understand that we don't need to put a new sim in the RUNNING budget
Gwyneth Llewelyn: right
Soro Dagostino: Certainly
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, I have no more questions then
Jamie Palisades smiles, and for Stui;s benefit, curtsies briefly
Soro Dagostino: Whew!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Soro Dagostino: All in favor of the motion?
Jamie Palisades looks down frowning - must be the damn kilt scripts
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Jamie watch you don't tuck your plaid skirt into your panty hos
Soro Dagostino: Not jamies curtsy
Jamie Palisades: the, um, approve budget motion sorry
Soro Dagostino: The motion on the floor.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye
Soro Dagostino: Hello?
Joaquin Gustav: aye
Carolyn Saarinen: aye
Pip Torok: aye
StuiChicanne Darkstone: aye
Sonja Strom: aye
Soro Dagostino: Opposed?
Soro Dagostino: Motion carried.
Jamie Palisades: thank you all.
Soro Dagostino: Congratulations to Sudane and jamie.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What was your vote, Soro? (you vote too, you know )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Whew ? we have a budget *again* ! That's a rare coccasion in the CDS!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Sorry honey
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I don't eat sushi
StuiChicanne Darkstone: strictly beef!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: oops
Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
Soro Dagostino: Who is the proponent of the In-world status board propsal?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: was looking at gestures
Rose Springvale: carolyn
StuiChicanne Darkstone: someone wanted one
Carolyn Saarinen: That would be me i guess
Soro Dagostino: Report?
Carolyn Saarinen: Ok
Carolyn Saarinen: I consulted with Rose about placement earlier this week...
Carolyn Saarinen: We decided on AA (fortress)...
Carolyn Saarinen: CN (forum)...
Carolyn Saarinen: NFS (Marktplatz)...
Carolyn Saarinen: Being area where citizens/and visitors are already directed for information...
Carolyn Saarinen: Rose was a bit concerned that the set up should be of reasonable size and in-theme at each location...
Rose Springvale smiles
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (a fine concern to have )
Carolyn Saarinen: Rudeen began setting up the first in NFS yesterday.
Carolyn Saarinen: I haven't seen it yet. Has anyone?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: yes she asked me for a key
Rose Springvale: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (no )
Rose Springvale: its up and running
Soro Dagostino: Any further RA action necessary for today?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: and it talked to me today
Soro Dagostino: Caro?
Carolyn Saarinen: yes?
Sonja Strom: I saw Rudeen working on it, but have not seen it completed.
Soro Dagostino: Any further action required from RA today?
Soro Dagostino: Ok, I guess none.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh
Carolyn Saarinen: I don't think so. You do, technically, owe me L1000
Carolyn Saarinen:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry, I was opening the notecard
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No "actions", but some discussions I believe?
Rose Springvale: ah, jamie will put that in for reimbursement
Soro Dagostino: Regional commisions
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes
Soro Dagostino: Proponent?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And the whole III. point which we have been postponing...
Jamie Palisades: mm hmm?
Jamie Palisades: I can do regonal commissions, but what about point III?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (hello , Micael!)
Soro Dagostino: Welcome Micael
Pip Torok: hi Micael
Sonja Strom: Hi Micael
Micael Khandr: (Hello--sorry I am late)
Soro Dagostino: touch the recorder and consent please.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Micael Khandr !
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm personally worried that we never manage to *start* discussing III b. at the RA
Jamie Palisades: Rapdily, then, on agenda item II(c)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok!
Jamie Palisades: Micael K, Pip T and Arria P have kindly agreed to serve on various of the regional programming panels. Sonja also has, and would do equally well, though we will need to sort out whether that, or a different role - relating to consulates - is our best use of her gracious volunteer time
Jamie Palisades: And I have two other requests outstanding. Resulting, one hopes, in two persons to convene each of three citizen panels,
Jamie Palisades: As we discussed several meetings ago, these will be open, preannounced meetings, so any citizen can give input, and the conveners will work by consensus to bring results to us for implementation. Those results will be subject to budget approval in the usual way -- that is, Rose and Sudane and I will be slightly involved, primarily in payment approvals, to make sure all's done appropriately.
Micael Khandr has indicated consent to be recorded.
Jamie Palisades: (No hiring your own alt, for example )
Jamie Palisades: Done.
Soro Dagostino: Questions?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow that was quick and to the point
Soro Dagostino: Any action required?
Soro Dagostino: Jamie?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, this time I have no questions lol ? except perhaps if we should create a new forum section just for them?
Soro Dagostino: An executive decision?
Rose Springvale: probably can use the current events place..
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're right, Soro, sorry!
Pip Torok: I'd suggest we wait for the need for a forum section to arise ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Soro Dagostino: New Business -- Commerce Zoning Commission -- report?
Jamie Palisades:
Soro Dagostino: Proponent
StuiChicanne Darkstone:
StuiChicanne Darkstone: that's me
Gwyneth Llewelyn: All right, I don't see any action for the RA to take action upon; unless, of course, we want just to pass a vote of confidence that the regional comissions are a "Good Thing" and that the RA is happy about seeing them happen
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
Soro Dagostino: Stui -- status?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well we had a meeting yesterday, it was very busy - lots of heads and talking and lots of good points made and valuable feedback
StuiChicanne Darkstone: we have posted a transcript to the forum
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'll get the link in a moment
Rose Springvale: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2581
StuiChicanne Darkstone: and we meet next week to further discuss
StuiChicanne Darkstone: and thankyou to Rosy for the link
Rose Springvale:
StuiChicanne Darkstone: progress
Soro Dagostino: Questions
Soro Dagostino: None appearing
Sonja Strom: I have one.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well who could question me ?
StuiChicanne Darkstone:
Sonja Strom: Me!
Sonja Strom: heheeh
Soro Dagostino: Yes Snja
Soro Dagostino: Sonya
Carolyn Saarinen switches to ThinkPol title
Sonja Strom: What role does the Commission play? Should it reach a decision to sugguest to the RA, or be a discussion that brings up ideas?
Sonja Strom: In other words, would it take a vote on what should be done?
Sonja Strom: Thanks
Gwyneth Llewelyn: In my opinion, "yes"
Pip Torok: and mine too FWIW
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe sorry
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually mmmh
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well we will bring a report back that will hopefully represent the best concensus that can be reached
Gwyneth Llewelyn: the Exec sets covenants
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I believe that the RA has to approve them
Gwyneth Llewelyn doesn't remember exactly the steps
StuiChicanne Darkstone: *nods to Sonja*
StuiChicanne Darkstone: we do our best
Soro Dagostino: If I recall, RA has the final vote.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: for the best outcome possible
Sonja Strom: I am okay with that, so long as there is at some point a report or recommendation made.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think so too. So these should be recommendations on Covenant changes to be proposed by the Exec to the RA.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (and strangely the comission would report first to the EXec but that's ok, I see from the transcript that the Exec is well-represented at the meeting)
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well we do require more than a week to do so
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes yes Stui
Soro Dagostino: Stui, there will be additional reports?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No rushing lol
StuiChicanne Darkstone: we have decided to have another meeting next week
Soro Dagostino: Is there a motion to table?
Sonja Strom: I understand, but I was wondering about the structure of it - - what it would do.
Rose Springvale: table? report was given....
StuiChicanne Darkstone: it took nine months to make me - if you give me one week to change the world I may break
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not table... oh, like Rose said
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl Stui!
Soro Dagostino: No action before us?
Jamie Palisades: Nope
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'm fine to go to the next point, and thank all the citizens who participated on that meeting ))
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, none, Soro.
Sonja Strom: I hope everybody understands why I asked the question I did,
Sonja Strom: but otherwise I am okay with how it is for now.
Soro Dagostino: Ok, looking at the clock.
Soro Dagostino: The Linden partnership issue?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Riiiiiiight

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StuiChicanne Darkstone: Sonja we appreciate this is an important issue for CDS and for individuals - we won't hurry through and we will get a result at the end
Carolyn Saarinen: Well Prokofy Neva hates it!
Soro Dagostino: I propose that it be referred to the executive for analysis.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm involved,and Rosy and Jamie - it's bound to work
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good, Caro! So let's approve it immediatelY!
Soro Dagostino: And report.
Pip Torok: interesting! (I wonder why??!! ))
Carolyn Saarinen: More seriously it does seem to add some fuel to her Feted Inner Core argument. The LL FAQ even acknowledges that.
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Caro
Jamie Palisades chuckles. On the partnership, I see no downside. While I think their plan was a whiff of exactly the sort of elistism and favoritizm that Prok hates -- that's not necessariyl a reason for CDS not to take advantage of it
Carolyn Saarinen: However, since the scheme is a fait accomplis, if it brings advantage to the CDS, I for one, am prepared to be pragmatic.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm definitely interested in signing it
Jamie Palisades: Heh we'll see who they approve
Pip Torok: and me too ... in spades
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Isn't there a deadline for the first submissions?
Soro Dagostino: Jamie you will report at the next meeting?
Jamie Palisades: There is, and I will
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Will we be in time, if we keep postponing the discussion?
Soro Dagostino: Thank you.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (just being pragmatic here hehe )
Pip Torok: id like to put a motion that Jamie sign it for us ASAP if time is pressing
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Without discussion?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Rose Springvale: would like to hear sudane's experience
Carolyn Saarinen: We need a proposal to 'sign up' with I believe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, yes!! Me too!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If she's allowed to give it publicly, of course (she might not be)
Jamie Palisades chuckles. Her experience is with the "Blake Sea" donation of Linden owned sims to the SLNE neigborhood, as I recall
Rose Springvale: maybe we need a special meeting
Jamie Palisades: yes, I hear some of you FIC get put under NDAs, gwynnie
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But we in the CDS have this big advantage, getting a first-hand report from someone who has been working with LL on this
Jamie Palisades: in the new open Linden regime
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Jamie ? yes, I keep forgetting how many NDA's I'm under
Jamie Palisades: so here is what I will take away, unless the RA acts otherwise :
Jamie Palisades: 1. wait until we get a report if the deadine allows
Pip Torok: in the end, what does signing ACTUALLY commit us to? .. I suggest nothing yet
Jamie Palisades: 2. signup, if it does not, and we can always withdraw
Pip Torok: my point exactly
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But yes ? my point is, we will have to move "close" to the mainland, and probably get a few more sims to play with ? that has some implications (General Master Plan AGAIN!)
Jamie Palisades: (nothing there's no assurance of selection, we not being on anyone;s special buddies list)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah ok
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You are both right, Jamie & Pip
Rose Springvale: not so sure about that
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree
Pip Torok: is that a commitment Gwyn?
Carolyn Saarinen: Why aren't we on the 'Special Buddies Lit'?
Jamie Palisades: hmm not necessarily Gwyn but for further discussion - im not sure the only benny of the "new FIC" is free land adjacency
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're right about "sign first, see if we got selected, discuss it only if we are"
Pip Torok: i thought we were Caro (if unofficial)
Jamie Palisades: Ok, good we have a plan then
Gwyneth Llewelyn: There are a few more benefits for sure ? being listed on the Community Gateway page I guess
Pip Torok: i put the motion
Rose Springvale: do we have the personell to support this?
Soro Dagostino: Restate your Motion please?
Pip Torok: i wd certainly give it time
Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds Pip's motion: "Pip Torok: id like to put a motion that Jamie sign it for us ASAP if time is pressing"
Jamie Palisades: Caro, we actually *act* indpendent - or most of us do - and we are smaller than some of the huge commercial developments -- so arguably we owuld not be as handsome a strategic partner, as, say, some commercial interests
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose: that is one of the many concerns, yes
Sonja Strom: Hi Solomon
Pip Torok: to ask our chancellor to sign up, and to do it soon if time is an issue
Gwyneth Llewelyn confirms the seconding of Pip's motion hehe
Rose Springvale: though LL has been taking care of us lately...
Jamie Palisades: ladies & gentlemen> sounds like a good motion to me .. and one that wil generate another report next mtg
Solomon Mosely: /smiles
Soro Dagostino: The chair has read the LL rules.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, at this stage, I believe we're the oldest community in SL outside of the mainland
Solomon Mosely: poorly
Soro Dagostino: It does not seem to contain a deadline.
Jamie Palisades: I agree Gwyn - even the Edge is gone - and if Luskwood went away, well, grin
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe and luskwood is mainland, technically
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (even though they have Estate Tools)
Rose Springvale amends all her marketing notecards...
Jamie Palisades: There'a a lot in the app FAQ that *implies* speed, though, Soro
Soro Dagostino: Are you ready for the Question?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But Rose raised a good question too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (tbd )
Soro Dagostino: BONK BONK
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (we might need to have a budget for "personell")
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol sorry Soro ? yes, Question please
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Soro is like Bill Clinton always bonking in the office
Soro Dagostino: The chair comments the motion may be premature.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Stui
Pip Torok: (hehe:)
Pip Torok: I'd respectfully suggest the motion is not premature
Jamie Palisades: Rose have more? Anyone else?
Jamie Palisades: or can you vote?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If time is of the essence to be in the *list* of *potential* communities, then the motion is not premature; if afterwards we *do* get selected, as Jamie & Pip pointed out, we can always discuss details and drop it eventually.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I'm fine in agreeing to allow Jamie to sign up now, and worry later if we get selected
Soro Dagostino: As respectful as I am about Mr. Palisades and his judgement, I dislike RA allocating its powers to him.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the Exec does sign things on behalf of the CDS...
Soro Dagostino: Within his authority.
Rose Springvale: i think we can go ahead like this though
Jamie Palisades: Mr LRA, we're not you are proposing to have me make an revocable act
Rose Springvale: bring back details
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah wait ? thus the motion, Soro!
Jamie Palisades: nd this is not the kind of thing I would want to sign CDS for, without the RA behidn it, anyway
Sonja Strom: I think in this case it makes sense, because what the Chancellor would be signing us up to is an opportunity.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If the RA approves that the Chancellor can sign us up on behalf of the CDS, we're not really "allocating powers" ? we're delegating the Will of the Citizens to an executive act hehe
Micael Khandr: Agree
Pip Torok: exactly Gwyn!
Soro Dagostino: Should a committee be appointed from the RA to review?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (well, the SC can always disagree on that interpretation, of course...)
Pip Torok: no ... no point imo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No point, unless we get approved... we might not be
Soro Dagostino: Ready for the question?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: why risk losing the opportunity for the sake of a talking shop ?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hear, hear!
Sonja Strom: We could always withdraw from the partnership, right?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I can talk about anything anytime anyone wants...
Soro Dagostino: All in favor?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: if they miss the discussion so
Pip Torok: aye
Micael Khandr: Aye
Joaquin Gustav: aye
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye aye aye
Sonja Strom: aye
StuiChicanne Darkstone: AYE !
Soro Dagostino: Opposed?
Soro Dagostino: Nay.
Carolyn Saarinen: aye
Soro Dagostino: Motion carried.
Soro Dagostino: Any further business?
Soro Dagostino: Do I hear a Motion to adjourn
Pip Torok: so move
Soro Dagostino: Second?
Rose Springvale: wait
Rose Springvale: lol
Rose Springvale: nm... never get citizens concerns!
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd like to hear some
Soro Dagostino: Gustav must go.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww
Pip Torok: true but at this point a citizen WDhave intervened ...
Rose Springvale: at least ask.. if they are here for all this time
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* it's the only polite thing to do!
Soro Dagostino: Ok Any Citizens Concerns?
Rose Springvale: no when the item on the agenda says citizens concerns, and adjournment is asked for instead
Pip Torok: true enough ...
Jamie Palisades smiles
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (I mean, Rose, the only polite thing to do is to ask about citizen's concerns, since the point is on the agenda, BEFORE moving to adjourn!)
Joaquin Gustav: i am sorry i must leave
Rose Springvale: and now everyone is intimidated
StuiChicanne Darkstone: see you soon Joaquin !
Joaquin Gustav: ty soro and everyone
Sonja Strom: ok Joaquin
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (see you, Joaquin )
Rose Springvale: bye joaquin
Jamie Palisades: No prob, thanks Joa
Pip Torok: hehe! (someone doesnt know _me_ ...
Soro Dagostino: Hearing no person ready to address the body.
Sonja Strom: Do any citizens here have concerns to bring up?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Don't be shy
Sonja Strom sees no typing
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (well, Stui never is... haha )
Sonja Strom: hahaa
StuiChicanne Darkstone:
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Rose Springvale: i have a lot of things, but not now.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
Rose Springvale: will ask for agenda time i guess
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "now" would be perfect!
Rose Springvale: nope, pouting
Sonja Strom: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Rose ? ok, it's your call, really )))
Rose Springvale: someone should look at the election schedule
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh oh ...
Rose Springvale: well, i just mean
Jamie Palisades smiles
Rose Springvale: if factions are going to be organized
Jamie Palisades: with the new, higher minimum threshold
Rose Springvale: or people recrutied to be citizens before the next election
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
Soro Dagostino: *sigh*
Rose Springvale: that deadline for citizen ship will be soon
Soro Dagostino: There goes the day.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Soro ))
Jamie Palisades: naah - just a cautionary note for ths month
Rose Springvale: yes, but it takes time to sell to people, and teach them. and i know that at least a few people have talked about an AA faction
Rose Springvale: which doesn't exist today
Pip Torok: the elephant in the room as far as I'm concerned ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay
Rose Springvale: and i look at hte calendar
Rose Springvale: and see one more meeting in october
Carolyn Saarinen: I'd just like to point out that in group terms Andalusians may not be citizens!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^
Rose Springvale: ?
Pip Torok: ??
Jamie Palisades smiles. How so, Caro?
Carolyn Saarinen: I for one don't have access to that role in the CDS group
Gwyneth Llewelyn is confused
Rose Springvale: ohhh
Rose Springvale: you mean tags
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahhh
Rose Springvale: i'm working on that
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right!
Jamie Palisades: ahhh - well, even if we are behind in group roles
StuiChicanne Darkstone: that's true !
Pip Torok is confused
Jamie Palisades: the citizens list is managed from rent rols
Jamie Palisades: rolls
Rose Springvale: cds group tags
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes
Jamie Palisades: and rent rolls are managed by Sudane. and posted, and somewhat more up to date
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "groups" is not exactly "important"
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Jamie
Rose Springvale: none of the AA reps have government officials tags either
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's unfair!
Carolyn Saarinen: Ok, I just didn't know what implications it might ahve
Rose Springvale: nor access to notices
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, don't worry, Carolyn
Rose Springvale: some real
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm just a kitten
Pip Torok: can i suggest that the AA delegates bring this up urgently as an agenda item?
Rose Springvale: they should be able to post to both groups though, and if CDS ra want group powers in teh AA grou p for notices, we can do that too
Micael Khandr: Wouldn't that just be assumed?
Rose Springvale: all land owners in AA have group notice access
Rose Springvale: well, MK, they have to JOIN the group
Rose Springvale: and may not have groups open
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Micael Khandr: No agenda item necessary--just do it?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's fine to send them a "reminder"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually, I believe that Sudane has a mailing list for every citizen ? it's little used
Rose Springvale: not since the merger gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *with every citizen's email, sorry
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oooh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's bad!
Rose Springvale: well, we don't use it in CDS
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok hmm
Sonja Strom: Hi Junius
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* ? very seldom ? only sometimes to remind people that the elections are upcoming, but it is inconsistently used
Junius Inaka: Hello
Jamie Palisades smiles
Pip Torok: hi Junius
Jamie Palisades: by the way it's not just a list
Rose Springvale: hey Junius.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I can see Jamie's cycling shorts
Jamie Palisades: CDS law requires us to post it
Rose Springvale: email?
Jamie Palisades: no, the names of all citizens
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well well. Since we're over the hour, I propose that we discuss forming an eventual comission to deal with the "citizen roll" next session?
Rose Springvale: thinks she was only talking about email
Rose Springvale: ugh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We *could* have a Subscribe-O-Matic or similar thing
Rose Springvale: delegate to the exec lol
Rose Springvale: or hippo groups
Jamie Palisades: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=191
Jamie Palisades:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, or Hippo groups
Micael Khandr: Thisis an excutive function, no?
Rose Springvale: which will tie into our proposed land system
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Jamie ? right!
Rose Springvale: oh, btw, i'm keeping a list of acts that have expired or need amendment
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually, probably the SC has to oversee that the laws in place are being *followed* mmmh
Pip Torok thinks "ah yes ... land system ..."
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Goodie, Rose
Soro Dagostino: Any additional Citizen's concerns?
Rose Springvale: yea, its fascinating reading ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: .)
Rose Springvale: i thought you adjourned and we were just chatting
Soro Dagostino: No.
Pip Torok: no rose ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: no, we didn't adjourn formally yet
Soro Dagostino: No vote.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: This all goes on record.
Carolyn Saarinen: no we didn't adjourn
Rose Springvale: sorry.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Why "sorry"? Having the citizen roll up to date is important!
Pip Torok is glad to see it on record
Micael Khandr: Yes
Sonja Strom: We are in the "Concerns of Citizens" section.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Me too, Pip!
Rose Springvale: i didn't mean to speak on the record
Rose Springvale: shuts up
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww why not?? it's a quite serious concern, Rose!
Jamie Palisades: no matter was a good idea to get it out
Micael Khandr: Always a lawyer . . .
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But yes,it was a very good idea indeed
Carolyn Saarinen: Somebody read Rose her Miranda
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl Caro
Rose Springvale: you have to catch me first
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Carolyn Saarinen: We know were you live!
Gwyneth Llewelyn wonders if the CDS still has Janitors ? the old police force
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We lost our last member of the Secret Service though ? the one that nobody admits that the CDS had.
Pip Torok recoils in horror ... "Janitors?" ...
Carolyn Saarinen: Has an SLPD uniform
Rose Springvale: Lilith is a janitor!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Pip ? yes, old law!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
Rose Springvale: didn't you see her float?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, so Lilith has to know what to do to arrest people!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha true Rose ? lol
Micael Khandr: Are we chatting or is this on the record?
Pip Torok: Now i know why pl dont talk of the "good old days" ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, we SHOULD now adjourn
Carolyn Saarinen: still not adjourned
Soro Dagostino: Not adourned.
Gwyneth Llewelyn moves motion to adjourn then
Pip Torok: so move!
Jamie Palisades:
Micael Khandr: I third the motion to adjourn
Soro Dagostino: Wonderful!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
Gwyneth Llewelyn: poor Soro
Soro Dagostino: In favor.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
Micael Khandr: Aye
Carolyn Saarinen: aye
Sonja Strom: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Soro Dagostino: Opposed?
Soro Dagostino: Adjourned at 11:17 PDT.
Rose Springvale: thank you to the RA members for coming... we appreciate your service.