Meeting on 2009-10-25
Those present:
Cindy Ecksol is in the chair.
Wasp Thor: Hello, everyone
Lilith Ivory: Hi There
Joaquin Gustav: hello, welcome
Rose Springvale: hi Lilith!
Wasp Thor: Hi Micael
Micael Khandr: Hi Wasp.
Micael Khandr has indicated consent to be recorded.
Timo Gufler: hi
Lilith Ivory: Hi Timo
Arria Perreault: Hi Timo
Rose Springvale: hi timo... brb. forgot something in my office
Arria Perreault: Hi Lilith
Arria Perreault: Hi Cindy
Lilith Ivory: Hi Arria
Robert Galland: Hi everyone, sorry, was afk
Cindy Ecksol: ok, I think we're administratively good.
Cindy Ecksol: recorder is on, so please touch to consent to recording
Robert Galland has indicated consent to be recorded.
Moon Adamant: hello all
Wasp Thor has indicated consent to be recorded.
Joaquin Gustav has indicated consent to be recorded.
Cindy Ecksol: agendas are in the urn on the floor next to the table here, so please touch to get an agenda
Arria Perreault: Hi SOnja
Joaquin Gustav: ty Cindy
Timo Gufler: Hello Moon and Sonja
Arria Perreault: Hi Gwyn
Arria Perreault has indicated consent to be recorded.
Cindy Ecksol: and just a "heads up" if you haven't looked at the forums this morning, you might want to check new postings from Jamie and others
Robert Galland: Ok, thank you
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi all (sorry, lagged out!)
Cindy Ecksol: I'm sure we'll get links as we go along, but while we're getting set may as well be productive
Moon Adamant: hmmm packet loss
Cindy Ecksol: morning stui!
Cindy Ecksol: lol!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: beat you Cindy
Cindy Ecksol: I was just about to ask what creative spot you were going to sit on today
StuiChicanne Darkstone: snooze you lose
Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles and apologises
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can't even stand up again, sorry
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Cindy I am not sitting there
Rose Springvale: hi Calli
Cindy Ecksol: hee hee!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: they want me to conduct the show
Cindy Ecksol: maybe I should make you sit there.....
Callipygian Christensen waves to Rose and everyone else
Joaquin Gustav: hello Calli
Cindy Ecksol: ok, I see a quorum, so let's get started
StuiChicanne Darkstone:
Cindy Ecksol: everyone have the agenda?
StuiChicanne Darkstone has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn hasn't, but don't mind me.
Rose Springvale: hi brian!
Timo Gufler has indicated consent to be recorded.
Arria Perreault: I have a request concerning the agenda
Cindy Ecksol: in the urn, gwyn
Cindy Ecksol: yes, arria....
Rose Springvale: she's got technical problems
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Cindy, I'm stuck on <0,0,0> - no urn for me
Rose Springvale: gwyn
Lilith Ivory has indicated consent to be recorded.
Cindy Ecksol: (and a reminder to all that we'll be using the question queue for questions and comments)
Wasp Thor: Gwyn was on my lap
StuiChicanne Darkstone: it's in the urn next to the ashes of a departed linden
Cindy Ecksol: gwyn, it's on the forum here too...hold on I'll give you a link
Cindy Ecksol: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2590
Arria Perreault: Mrs LRA
I have read your answer in the forum, telling that you don't add the point I have requested in the agenda. I nevertheless consider that the question of the sale of land owned by CDS and that CDS will sell is an important question. The solution of the executive have been debated in the forum. It is clear to me that the land management is a task of the Executive. When I see the number of parcels for sale and the solution proposed that seems to me subject to critics and questions (as everybody can read in the forum), I consider that the Representative Assembly has to discuss the question of land sale by CDS on a general point of view and to set a frame in which the executive can act. I don't think that only organization of sales (whatever the method) can solve the main problem (many parcels for sale). This question need a real debate and inputs from many people. For these reasons, I ask this Assembly to set in the Agenda of the meeting a discussion about the Bill I have proposed in the forums at the fo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ( ty, that works )) )
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I shall hold Cindy's notes
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I am the glamorous assistant
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Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.
Cindy Ecksol: thank you arria.
Cindy Ecksol: Before we get specifically to your point, I'd like to ask everyon eto look at the agenda.
Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.
Sonja Strom: Did Arria finish?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ?
Arria Perreault: I have given my request. I can give arguments later
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have the link, thanks
Sonja Strom: okay
Cindy Ecksol: you'll notice that we DO have on the agenda today a discussion of land sales.
Sonja Strom: the "at the fo" ending was a little be incomplete for me.
Cindy Ecksol: I received that request from the Chancellor's office before Arria posted her proposal and agreed to include it on the agenda
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, on III a.
Cindy Ecksol: I'll also note that I've not refused to discuss Arria's proposal, just asked her to defer iti to a future meeting
Cindy Ecksol: you'll also notice that the agenda allows 40 minutes to discuss land sales.
Cindy Ecksol: I expect (and hope!) that all who have concerns abou tthat issue will bring them up today.
Sonja Strom has indicated consent to be recorded.
Cindy Ecksol: and also hope that whatever action the RA takes today, if Arria or others still feel that we need to consider her bill or other alternatives, that they will propose them for a future agenda
Cindy Ecksol: done
Cindy Ecksol: now...
Cindy Ecksol: Arria, are you making a motion that we modify the agenda?
Arria Perreault: I don't think that the fact that the request of the Executive come before is relevant. I think that my proposal is more general than the one of the Executive
StuiChicanne Darkstone: are we all sitting comfortably - perhaps we should begin
Arria Perreault: I think that the RA has to define a general frame for these sales. So I make a motion.
Cindy Ecksol: stui....we are already discussing the agenda
Cindy Ecksol: Arria -- ifi you want your item on the agenda, you (or someone) must make a motion and someone must second.
Cindy Ecksol: what is the motion?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The motion to discuss Arria's proposed bill is on the floor, I think
Cindy Ecksol: goodl.
Cindy Ecksol: do we have a second?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I'd be willing to second that discussion, yes.
Cindy Ecksol: thank you gwyn
Cindy Ecksol: discussion?
Cindy Ecksol: (please queue
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: Gwyneth Llewelyn
Cindy Ecksol: gwyn?
Gwyneth Llewelyn is not sure if the chat lag has eaten my seconding... lol
Cindy Ecksol: <waiting for gwyn to comment>
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, my apologies....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I just wanted to do a very short comment,
Arria Perreault: Motion is: to add a new point in the agenda: Land selling Act (http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 583#p13853)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: after thinking quite a bit about all this discussion
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I believe that ONE thing is crucial,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: whatever the system we decide upon,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: it has to be VERY SIMPLE
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, the goal ought to be: "as simple as buying land on any other community"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I know that's a hard goal to set,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: but anything "Too complicated",
Gwyneth Llewelyn: will just drive people away from teh CDS
Rose Springvale: point of order? are we discussion the motion or the addition to the agenda?
Cindy Ecksol: discussion of the motion, rose
Rose Springvale: is that in order?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, my chat lag makes things too confusing for me right now, so I'll hush and wait patiently for the chat lag to go away. Thanks
Cindy Ecksol: thanks, gwyn.
Cindy Ecksol: rose, you are next in queue...was that your question?
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: Rose Springvale
Rose Springvale: not sure what my question is. We have a plan we've been working on for months
Rose Springvale: and have had no input from the proponent of this motion
Cindy Ecksol: ok...hold that thought please...
Rose Springvale: query the rationale now
Cindy Ecksol: I'd like to stick to the issue of the agenda
Micael Khandr: Cindy--could you repeat the motion on the floor at the moment please?
Cindy Ecksol: before I call the vote, I'd jus t like to comment that the agenda is tight. we have two hours, I'd like to allow respectful discussion of the Chancellor's proposal
Arria Perreault: add a new point in the agenda under III Land selling Act (http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 583#p13853)
Cindy Ecksol: and also of Arria's if we vote to add to the agenda.
Arria Perreault: it's my motion
Cindy Ecksol: I'm not sur ethat we will be able to do both today, so I will say that I plan to vote against modifying the agenda
Cindy Ecksol: any other comments?
Arria Perreault: I will answer to Rose
Rose Springvale: no not now
Cindy Ecksol: no arria, off topic...
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: Robert Galland
Cindy Ecksol: yes, robert?
Micael Khandr: Call the vote?
Cindy Ecksol: robert first....
Cindy Ecksol: ?
Cindy Ecksol: <please turn on typing animation so I can see who is alive >
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Robert Galland: As to this motion, I agree with you that we should have time to hear the Chancellor's proposal today. At the next meeting, Arria's bill can receive ample attention and we can then vote. So, I hope we decide to split these items up frankly.
Cindy Ecksol: all in favor of modifyin gthe agenda to add presentation and discussion
Cindy Ecksol: please say aye
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
Sonja Strom: aye
Wasp Thor: aye
Micael Khandr: What are we "aye"ing?
Cindy Ecksol: all in favor of modifyin gthe agenda to add presentation and discussion
Cindy Ecksol: please say aye
Rose Springvale: cindy
Arria Perreault: aye
Joaquin Gustav: no
Cindy Ecksol: all opposed?
Micael Khandr: no
Robert Galland: no
StuiChicanne Darkstone: nay !
Cindy Ecksol: and I also say nay
Cindy Ecksol: motion fails.
Arria Perreault: May I a question?
Cindy Ecksol: any other modifications to the agenda for today?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Motion fails with 5 aye and 3 nay?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
Cindy Ecksol: no...five nay and 4 aye is my count
Cindy Ecksol: gwyn, sonja, wasp, arria in favor....joa, cindy, micael, robert stui opposed
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, I guess my chat is really too unreliable today, sorry
Sudane Erato has indicated consent to be recorded.
Micael Khandr: nay
Cindy Ecksol: may I have a motion to approve the agenda please?
Robert Galland: I move so
Cindy Ecksol: second?
Micael Khandr: second
Cindy Ecksol: all in favor?
Robert Galland: aye
StuiChicanne Darkstone: AYE !
Joaquin Gustav: aye
Carolyn Saarinen has indicated consent to be recorded.
Wasp Thor: aye
Micael Khandr: aye
StuiChicanne Darkstone: AYE !
Micael Khandr: OK stui . . .
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm excitable today
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Micael Khandr: Today?
Cindy Ecksol: motion carries.
Gwyneth Llewelyn abstains
Sonja Strom abstains
Cindy Ecksol: naftali has requested a 7 day vote.
Arria Perreault: abstains
Cindy Ecksol: I'm not aware of any others.
Arria Perreault: for the firstmotion too?
Cindy Ecksol: arria, motion to amend the agenda failed. the agenda as proposed was just approved.
Carolyn Saarinen: I'd best abstain since I missed the discussion so far.
Cindy Ecksol: no problem, caro --
Cindy Ecksol: ok...future RA meeting: Nov 8 at 0900
Cindy Ecksol: I will pu tup a Doodle the week before the meeting
Cindy Ecksol: old business
Cindy Ecksol: a. In-world status board. Caro, anything new?
Sudane Erato: i can report on thata, if you wish
Carolyn Saarinen: We agreed locations and at least one has been set up
Cindy Ecksol: ah, great! where do we go?
Carolyn Saarinen: Sudane, please continue
Sudane Erato: the board is all set up, save for one feature, that I'd like to have before i duplicate it..
Sudane Erato: that is
Sudane Erato: a notecard from each member
Sudane Erato: which is given out to the toucher if they wish it
Jamie Palisades: I gather ir hands out blank cards, or nothing, if I click on a member now
Sudane Erato: i'd like that before i duplicate it for the other locations, if possible
Cindy Ecksol: ok, shall I send e-mail to the RA members requesting that they send you a notecard?
Micael Khandr: The notecard? When?
Sudane Erato: yes... there's an 'example notecard" in there now
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Autographs ?
Cindy Ecksol: ok....great.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And from the Executive too?
Sudane Erato: yes, that would be great
Cindy Ecksol makes a note to followup
Sudane Erato: just the people whose indicators are there
Sudane Erato: RA members
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
Cindy Ecksol: ok......thanks Caro, sudane
Cindy Ecksol: love to see things get done
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Cindy Ecksol: next item....
Cindy Ecksol: b, Commerce Commission. Stui?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: we held a meeting that was well attended we posted feedback and minutes on the forums... we are to reschedules a meeting at earliest convenience of Rosy and I
Cindy Ecksol: ok, great.
Cindy Ecksol: questions for stui?
Micael Khandr: Why aren't you wearing a shirt?
Moon Adamant: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
Cindy Ecksol: um....about the commission, micael
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I was doing a foto for my latest project
StuiChicanne Darkstone:
StuiChicanne Darkstone: SpaWorld !
Cindy Ecksol: ok...moving on,.....
Cindy Ecksol: item c. Regional commissions
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And why are you crying, Stui? (sorry, please disregard that!)
Cindy Ecksol: Jamie, anything new?
Cindy Ecksol: whoops...thought I saw jamie...maybe not
Rose Springvale: he's here....
Moon Adamant: he's here
StuiChicanne Darkstone: he's over my shoulder
Cindy Ecksol: oh, there you are....anything new, jamie?
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Moon Adamant pokes Jamie
StuiChicanne Darkstone: Moon flick his hearing aid
Jamie Palisades raises eyebrow
Jamie Palisades: hearing aid? heh
StuiChicanne Darkstone: or ear trumpet
Moon Adamant:
Jamie Palisades: Anything new, well, yes, I still have three people who I;m waiting to get a yes from
Jamie Palisades: so
StuiChicanne Darkstone: am I one of them ?
Jamie Palisades: by thext wednesday I will ask each of them one more time, then move on with alternatives or without them
StuiChicanne Darkstone: *LOL* I'll say yes to anything
Cindy Ecksol: ok, thanks....
Jamie Palisades: I don;t think so, STui, I thikn you and i talked about you being mor likely ...
Wasp Thor: Stui, was anything accomplished in the meeting
Jamie Palisades: ... to be a arts prograsm CR$EATOR applyibng for funds, than a neutral funds doler0out
Lilith Ivory: as soon as I can see it lol
Jamie Palisades: oops, whihc agenda item are we on?
Cindy Ecksol: actually we're on "regional commissions"
StuiChicanne Darkstone:
Moon Adamant: eheheh
Jamie Palisades: did we mov4e on the regional commissions? apologies if not, that's what I was answering
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Jamie Palisades: (and have completed, with the note that we'll fniish all appointments this week)
Cindy Ecksol: stui, did you want to make a quick reply to Wasp on her question?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: have done in IM
Cindy Ecksol: ok, thanks....
Wasp Thor: I sorry..
Wasp Thor: I'm Sorry! for the troublew
Wasp Thor: trouble
Cindy Ecksol: no problem -- bad lag -)
Cindy Ecksol: ok....
Cindy Ecksol: next item
Cindy Ecksol: Linden partnership status
Jamie Palisades: Right. If I may
Cindy Ecksol: Jamie, I believe you posted to forums on this?
Jamie Palisades: link to the item is here:
Jamie Palisades: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2594
Jamie Palisades: and I havce recommended we procees
Jamie Palisades: *proceed
Jamie Palisades: but
Jamie Palisades: the only thing the program semes to DO, for now ...
Jamie Palisades: is supply extra joining connective sims
Jamie Palisades: between a participating sim and ... something else
Jamie Palisades: so in this additional post:
Jamie Palisades: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2595
Jamie Palisades: I asked you aanother question: do we in fact want to do what our Sudane here has done with her SLNE -- hook up phsyically with someone? or the mainland?
Jamie Palisades: if so trhe program will have much more meaning to us.
Jamie Palisades: I suggest you have two quetsions for the RA
Jamie Palisades: (qa) SHall we apply? (I think so, and think it's harmless)
Jamie Palisades: and
Jamie Palisades: (qb) DO we ant to pursue land joining? Or just bask in the possible glory of Favored Estate Thingie, and wait to see what other goodies are involved?
Jamie Palisades: done, thanks
Question Queue V 1.1: Next in queue: Gwyneth Llewelyn
Cindy Ecksol: Gwyn, question?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well... more like a reply actually
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Although it's mostly a decision of the Exec,
Cindy Ecksol: you have the floor...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd definitely like to propose a motion to approve the Exec's suggestion to apply for the Linden programme
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And, as a side note,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (again, also an Exec decision; we can just appluad it or ignore it)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: that means the guild should think about the best way to "join" the mainland
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Historically, it would be fun to be as close to Anzere as possible,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: but that might be a) impossible b) found not to be feasible c) LL might not like it
Jamie Palisades nodfs
Carolyn Saarinen: Anzere?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, to recap, I definitely support this Executive decision
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thanks!
Jamie Palisades: (and is there anyone ELSE we'd want to be next to? tough one)
Timo Gufler thinks that it would be great to have CDS in front of a sea
Rose Springvale: excuse me
Moon Adamant: Caro, CDS' hub in the mainland
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (Caledon!)
Rose Springvale: ther are lots of newcomers here
Jamie Palisades: (the original mainland home of CDS, Caro)
Cindy Ecksol: (thx rose)
Cindy Ecksol: and thx gwyn
Carolyn Saarinen: Ah, "when dinosaurs ruled the grid"
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