Meeting on 2010-01-10
Soro Dagostino: Hello Gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi Soro
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... and hi everybody really lol
Sonja Strom: Hi Gwyn and Pip
Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.
Sonja Strom: Hi Jamie
Jamie Palisades smiles, waves, Good morning - virtually anyway
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And here comes Jamie... hi Mr Chancellor!
Micael Khandr: Good day, all!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi Arria
Jamie Palisades smiles. So, if we have not started official yet, has anyone seen a final candidated list or something. from the SC?
Arria Perreault: Hi Gwyn
Jamie Palisades: I've not
Arria Perreault: Hi everybody
Gwyneth Llewelyn mumbles that she hasn't seen anything.
Jamie Palisades: Arria, the new exhibit's lovely, I finally got there to look
Arria Perreault: Thank you, Jamie
Sonja Strom: Hi Arria
Arria Perreault: Hi SOnja
Sonja Strom:
Jamie Palisades looks at his friends list stuff - now, was this the day we weren't sure if Cindy was able to attend?
Arria Perreault: who is the LRA pro tempore ?
Jamie Palisades: Soro
Gwyneth Llewelyn counts
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm 6
Jamie Palisades: of 11? well, that's 50%+1
Soro Dagostino: Has anyone heard from Cindy?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, yes, we've got a quorum, if Soro is so kind to do the honours....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I haven't... let me check email
Jamie Palisades: I have a faint memory that Cindy expresssed doubt, at the end of the last mtg, about being here on time, this week, for RL reasons
Soro Dagostino: If I recall, this meeting is being held regarding the two matters athat were tabled -- or, mor specifically, specially set.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The last mail I had from Cindy was:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "Please let me know if you have any additional items for the final RA meeting of the term. Right now it looks like I will probably be able to attend the meeting, but if not, Soro will be there to chair."
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah
Gwyneth Llewelyn: but that was for Jan 3
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well...
Soro Dagostino: Hmmmm, the agenda for the 3rd is in the amphora
Gwyneth Llewelyn: since we *do* have a quorum
Pip Torok: asa far as i understand .. this meeting is an overflow to Jan 3rd
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly,
Jamie Palisades: don't think a new agenda was offered anyway
Gwyneth Llewelyn: namely on the issue of changing the elections
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* and agrees
Micael Khandr: Yes
Soro Dagostino: [Groan]
Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: poor Soro
Pip Torok: hi Stui!
Sonja Strom: hello Stui
Jamie Palisades: Morning STui
Soro Dagostino has indicated consent to be recorded.
Arria Perreault: I have seen there is a new faction, SEED
Arria Perreault: Hi Stui
StuiChicanne Darkstone: never Fear
StuiChicanne Darkstone: **'`*`'** Stui **'`*`'**
StuiChicanne Darkstone: is here
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, hi Stui
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol
Pip Torok: a sort of "antifaction-faction ....
Soro Dagostino: As the Deputy LRA -- I call the meeting to order.
Arria Perreault: Carolyn is candidate
Jamie Palisades smiles. As opposed to pro faction factions?
Soro Dagostino: Please note your consent to recordation.
Jamie Palisades has indicated consent to be recorded.
Arria Perreault has indicated consent to be recorded.
StuiChicanne Darkstone has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn consents to being recorded.
Jamie Palisades touches black box, which seems to do it still
Pip Torok: (the recorders on i think)
Gwyneth Llewelyn did that too hehe
Jamie Palisades: yup
Arria Perreault: it works
StuiChicanne Darkstone: *kicks the recorder*
Micael Khandr has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: it does... I wonder if it's on since last week?!
Sonja Strom: Hi Rose
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm here too
Rose Springvale: hello everyone.
Pip Torok: hi Rose
Arria Perreault: Hi Rose
Gwyneth Llewelyn: good morning, Rose
Micael Khandr: G'day
Rose Springvale: shall i send a notice?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure, flower girl
Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
Jamie Palisades: please
Pip Torok: weve got a quorum thanks Rose!:)
StuiChicanne Darkstone: yes we need a notice
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, citizens are welcome to know we're in session and come too
Soro Dagostino: Welcome
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I didn't realise that the meeting was happening
StuiChicanne Darkstone: therefore
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* and agrees with Stui
StuiChicanne Darkstone: there may be others that would have attended had they known
Pip Torok: (oh yes, theyre who we're here fo!:)
Soro Dagostino: The Agenda is as published for the 3rd.
Soro Dagostino: Any additions or corrections.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: after all I arrived on account of speaking to Mr Khandr
Jamie Palisades: Soro?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm one for Soro !
Soro Dagostino: Jamie?
Jamie Palisades: We might add any announcements, to the end, as we hadthat for the 3rd but there may be a few more now
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, aye, good point.
Soro Dagostino: Yes.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: YAY
StuiChicanne Darkstone: announcements
Gwyneth Llewelyn moves to add announcements for the agenda for today
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Stui
Pip Torok: seconds
StuiChicanne Darkstone: who's getting married ?
Rose Springvale: ?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'll be priest
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Joaquin Gustav: hello
StuiChicanne Darkstone: JO !
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi, Joaquin!
Joaquin Gustav: hello friends
Pip Torok: hi joaquin
Rose Springvale: Hi Joaquin
Micael Khandr: G'day!
Sonja Strom: Hi Joaquin
Rose Springvale: hey Tor!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: JO !
Pip Torok: ah micael ... hi
Tor Karlsvalt: hi rose
Rose Springvale smiles at my next potential vic..er citizen...
Sonja Strom: welcome Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: thanks Sonja
StuiChicanne Darkstone: oh and thankyou all for your attendance on Wednesday
StuiChicanne Darkstone: STH is building an audience
Soro Dagostino: Sorry, some lag
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Rose Springvale: Stui, did you want me to post that transcript or no?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: yea
Micael Khandr: Hi, Pip
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (a pity I have an overlapping thing on Wednesday, Stui, I'd love to be around too... )
StuiChicanne Darkstone: the people need to know what the people are thinking
Rose Springvale: okay, sorry, will do so today
Soro Dagostino: This is the last meeting of the term?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Technically, I think so...
Jamie Palisades: Last scheduled one, I think
StuiChicanne Darkstone: STH is making the grid grind to a halt
Pip Torok: i think so, Soro
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Stui!
Soro Dagostino: Who knows when we meet again
Rose Springvale: technically time for one more
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah!
StuiChicanne Darkstone: We'll meet again don't know where
StuiChicanne Darkstone: don't know when...
Rose Springvale: just lame duck sessions though, and traditionally RA has not met for those
StuiChicanne Darkstone: but I know we'll meet again some sunny day !
Pip Torok: (sounds like the 3 witches, Soro!)
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I missed my calling
Soro Dagostino: I have had no notice to any 7 day votes -- for the record.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I was about 40 years too late to be Vera Lynn
Jamie Palisades: Well I hope I do know where. The Thermae.
Soro Dagostino: Mr. Chancellor -- do you have a report?
Pip Torok: hear hear, Jamie
Jamie Palisades: Certainly, and thanks
Jamie Palisades: a few items then let me yield to Rose for any other announcements
Soro Dagostino: Yes
Soro Dagostino: brb
Jamie Palisades: First, be aware, we have a fair amount of land, particularly in Locus Ameonus, open now
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Jamie Palisades smiles. I may write a few words for the benefit of the next RA's planning on how , in my view, it got that way
Jamie Palisades: but for now, suffice to say, Rose and I still are in office this monht, and working to fill it up
Sonja Strom: Welcome Sterling, Jeroma
Jamie Palisades: And all help is appreciated, so send prospects out way please - or show them yourself
Pip Torok: hi Sterling!
Jamie Palisades: thhat was item 1
Jamie Palisades: item 2
Jamie Palisades: I have a few pending land actions that I must take, basefd on requests or complaints, and I;ve been *very* slow in SL the last month.
Pip Torok: Hi Jeroma
Jeroma Wycliffe: Pip
Jamie Palisades: My apologies - RL just gets busy at times - but be aware there will be a few actions and zoning items
Jamie Palisades: item 3
Jamie Palisades: i have usually, from the executive branch, taken the following roles in the RA election
Jamie Palisades: - bugging the SC to make sure the poll devices and such are in place, and announced
Jamie Palisades: heh
Jamie Palisades: - dealing with election signs/zoing, plaza placement
Jamie Palisades: *zoning
Jamie Palisades: so, FWIW, I am still doing that this time
Sonja Strom has indicated consent to be recorded.
Jamie Palisades: I expect I also will be unofficially agitated for a return of our Thermae hang out, if a results time for the polls can be coaxed out of the SC
Jamie Palisades:
Jamie Palisades: For newer people, that's an old CDS election tradition
Jamie Palisades: .. OK, let me yield to Rose
Rose Springvale: (Thanks Jamie
Rose Springvale: I don't have much to add... New land available cards are out now
Rose Springvale: you can get them from me, or from group notices. I will put them in such of the info signs as i have perms to as well
Rose Springvale: I'd like to reiterate one thing Jamie said... and that is i'd really appreciate others helping us sell our land...
Rose Springvale: you all have contacts that might be interested, just takes a little time to explain:)
Rose Springvale: As for the election, we will be scheduling two events
Rose Springvale: one an informal meet & greet, which i expect to happen this week
Rose Springvale: and two, formal debates, which i've asked Aliasi to designate a moderator for.
Rose Springvale: Jamie or i are happy to moderate, and have in the past, but also SC members have successfully handled this,
Rose Springvale: i'm hoping that debate can happen next weekend, to give voters as much information early in the election as possible
Rose Springvale: The informal election result party ...well we only have a day between polls closing and the new term starting, so hopefully the sc can count quickly
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Rose Springvale: and then we'll have an inaugural ball early in the new term.
Rose Springvale: Anything else i should speak to Jamie?
Rose Springvale: questions?
Jamie Palisades smiles,
Jamie Palisades: I don;t think so Rose
Soro Dagostino: Any questions?
Jamie Palisades: FWIW, my first inclination was to see if Delia is available for the debate again
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, that would be nice...
Jamie Palisades: she did well and is quite neutral, I though
Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees.
Jamie Palisades: I was neutral once
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
Soro Dagostino: Jamie do you have more.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ?
Jamie Palisades: But hey, now that my own view is that the factions should not own the RA
Jamie Palisades: heh heh
StuiChicanne Darkstone: I like Delia
Jamie Palisades: Good, she was generally acceptable before, I will inquire
Jamie Palisades: OK
Soro Dagostino: Jamie are you through?
Jamie Palisades: - my last item, then let me ask for questions. Rose mentione dnot being able to get perms for some of the info gadgets. We've not done as well as I hoped, making them GENERALLY usable. One thing that she and I are doing with this last few weeks of the term is looking into some device changes. Among other things, as Gwyneth noted 2 months ago, the main wwww.slcds.infoportal is weak for our needs. I suggest that members go look at http://winterfell.ning.com as an instance of something much easier -- and much less top-down-techie-controlled. I am experimenting with it now, and may have some more to offer as a beta.
Arria Perreault: I have chacked my access to the portal
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh yes. I think that the only thread I read (not commented) on the forums recently was Rose pretty much suggesting a move to Ning...
Arria Perreault: it works. So it is not a problem to useit
Gwyneth Llewelyn wonders if we could upload all the forum posts to it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Possibly, yes
Arria Perreault: a lot of work has been invested in this portal and there are a lot of informations already there
Rose Springvale: smiles, hate to start too fresh...
Jamie Palisades: hmmmm - genericalluy those systems tend to be friendly to imports and hostile to exports, Gwyn, but phpBB has CSV export I think
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If not, I think I might be able to force it to do that
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, it would be worth a test, right?...
Rose Springvale: may i say something?
Soro Dagostino: Cindy will soon be here.
Arria Perreault: is it only for the portal or for all information, including portal?
Soro Dagostino: Yes Rose
Arria Perreault: portal is our visiting card
Jamie Palisades: Arria, our experience has been that while the system is very pretty, non-CMS /non-web professionals do not find it an easy place to contribute. Of course, this will be a question for next term's leaders and RA
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's mostly an executive decision... unless a new budget needs to be approved...
Soro Dagostino: Rose has the floor\
Arria Perreault: yes, too early to decide now
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oops, sorry Soro ? and sorry Rose
Soro Dagostino: Hello Cindy
Rose Springvale: The portal has not been updated, as far as i can see, for over six months.
Cindy Ecksol wavew hello and sorry to be late
Arria Perreault: I am willing to work on the portal
Arria Perreault: just ask
Rose Springvale: we have 7 sims with no evidence of existence at all
Arria Perreault: I will add pages for the news sims
Keila Forager: I'll bet for longer...
Rose Springvale: So when i show a new or potentially new citizen our portal... they get very confused
Rose Springvale: also
Arria Perreault: I thought Brian was member of the PIO team
Rose Springvale: when new people DO join us
Keila Forager: hard to navigate and quite a bit of info not accessable
Rose Springvale: the registration process.. no offense to anyone... generally takes tow or three tries
Rose Springvale: two*
Keila Forager: or incorrect
Cindy Ecksol has indicated consent to be recorded.
Rose Springvale: so there is a chilling effect on new people to come back
Arria Perreault: there are two systems, forums and portal
Rose Springvale: please Arria
Arria Perreault: please don't make a confusion betwenn these two systems
Rose Springvale: i'm not arguing.. i'm reporting observations.
StuiChicanne Darkstone: nothing more annoying than things that don't work
Arria Perreault: I am willing to update
Rose Springvale: the portal is TOTALLY un interactive
StuiChicanne Darkstone: *kicks the recorder*
Rose Springvale: its just a nice tombstone
Arria Perreault: the portal give informations
Pip Torok: does the "question" system work?
Arria Perreault: like laws, lands, citizen lists
Rose Springvale: we need places where people can post land for sale, events, information
Soro Dagostino: While the chair is willing to allow a certain amout of discussion.
Arria Perreault: forums is the place to discuss
Rose Springvale: sigh
Keila Forager: Not good information Arria...I tried to read it when I became a citizen
Soro Dagostino: Its time to get in order.
Rose Springvale: thanks for giving me time soro.
Arria Perreault: we have a google calender already
Jamie Palisades: Thank you for that, all of you. As Arria said, this will not be finally decided until next term. Soro, colleagues, for now my only interest was to raise the issue for informal views and an eye to a test -- (of NING), in which these good folks will be important test subjects
Jamie Palisades: and we're done with our report
Pip Torok: may i make a suggestion, Mr LRA?
Soro Dagostino: Pip?
Arria Perreault: I have made an advice in he forum too
Soro Dagostino: Pip you have the floor
Pip Torok: i suggest that the person concernwed give someone (me?) a list of new citizens ... and i run a party every month for them
Soro Dagostino:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay Pip
Soro Dagostino: woot!
Sonja Strom:
Pip Torok: but i wd NEED a list of current new citizens!!
Cindy Ecksol smiles
Soro Dagostino: Now, back to the order of things.
Pip Torok: without it it just wdnt work
Jamie Palisades grins -- more on that in the forums. We are trying to get our new widgets to do exactly that
Arria Perreault: anyway the forum has to be independant from Exec (for the record)
Jamie Palisades: even though severa; stakeholders hgavce strong (and differenmt) opinions about whose software ought to run everything
Jamie Palisades: Arria? Forum is run by SC
StuiChicanne Darkstone: one for Soro
StuiChicanne Darkstone: can I say something ?
Soro Dagostino: Stui -- you may
StuiChicanne Darkstone: well I have been a CDS member since the merger and or the benefit of pointing out the importance of the issue - I dunno what the hell the portal is
StuiChicanne Darkstone: therefore it can't be doing it's job can it ?
Pip Torok: 9and i'd point them at the portal in the party, Stui!)
Jamie Palisades chuckles. Proof that no orientation, even when repeated, will make all citizens pay attention to the stuff we point them to
StuiChicanne Darkstone: *sits on the book again*
Soro Dagostino: Can this be taken to a working party?
Rose Springvale: stui, you have been given the information
StuiChicanne Darkstone: oh
StuiChicanne Darkstone: *LOL*
StuiChicanne Darkstone: but what's the portal ?
Rose Springvale: website for cds
Jamie Palisades: ooo good one, Pip< maybe we can have an open invite meeting about this party/info idea, sometime soon? Not really something that has to wait for election
StuiChicanne Darkstone: ah
Keila Forager: It's not doing it's job Stui..
StuiChicanne Darkstone: *LOL*
Pip Torok: its a sort of "help for new citizens" Stui...
Soro Dagostino: Are we done with this folk?
StuiChicanne Darkstone: like a cheat sheet ?
Joaquin Gustav: brb
Sonja Strom: Just to make it clear, this is the portal: http://portal.slcds.info
Keila Forager: But it doesn't Pip, I'm a new resident and it sucks!
Pip Torok: a bit more elaborate , but yes
Jamie Palisades: psst - take it to a brainstorming session
(continued)