12th RA Debate Transcript, Jan 24,2010

[Rose Springvale]

2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Welcome everyone to the debates among our candidates for the CDS's 12th Representative Assembly.
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: I consider it a remarkable accomplishment that our CDS has been a self-governing virtual community for six years.
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: During these years the CDS has grown and changed. But our embrace of democratic process has endured.
[2010/01/24 Sonja Strom claps!
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: On behalf of my fellow citizens of the CDS, I want to thank you for putting yourselves forth as candidates for our RA.
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades grins
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Our goal today for these debates is for citizens to have sufficient information about candidates positions that they may cast informed votes.
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: As in the past, each candidate will give a brief introductory statement. Then I will pose questions to which we will hear candidates responses.
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: we have 3 factions
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: the Democratci Pragmatists
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: the Citizen's Siocial Democrat Faction
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: and SEED*
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: if you would Caro please give the plat form introduction from SEED
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: followed by Pip and then Pat
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Ok, thanks Delia
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: and please limit your intro to 5 min max
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: SEED* - appart from being the easiest faction name to type...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Means the sedd of growth or seed of change. (Ok maybe it's 'wind of change' but you can guess why ee didn't pick that)..
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Our main platform issue is that we are the 'anti-Faction' Faction...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: We have to stand as a Faction under the current system...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: but as people experienced in working in CDS...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: we have experienced what a pernicious influence that system is on our community...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Factions come from the earliest days of CDS when it was a 'political experiment'...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: aimed at people who like that sort of thing.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: As a way of running a community it is divisive and un-democratic...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: we want to abolish it in favour of a more open and directly accountable system.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: That'll do for now
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Caro
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pip?
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: thank you Delia
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: Good morning, fellow citizens, and avatars all
(and, to tomorrow's celebrants, a Merry Burn's Night!)
[2010/01/24 Connected
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: We are the D.P.U. the _Democratic_ _Pragmatist_ _Union_
and this is our vision for the future of CDS ...
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: ONE: We believe in Freedom of speech and expression
This includes the judicial use of Referenda, the polling
and canvassing of the population, either inworld or through
the CDS Forum.
It includes respect for all things in-world that are near and
dear to citizens.
All citizens' views should be heard, considered and respected.
We believe that respect for citizens should be plainly seen in
]openness in Government
overnment decision-making and communication with its citizens.
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: TWO: We believe in the persistence of a CDS about which we can
be proud
Its evolving democracy, and the results of this: its vibrant
community,
and, last but not least, its high standards of building and
development -- i.e. its beauty.
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: THREE: We believe in the government's central role in providing
civic improvements and services.
Other organisations may have a role, but the government should
coordinate these, and provide a watchful eye.
We realise that this does not come about, except through careful
thought and assessment of choices, and so would support the
continuing work of, for example, the BAC (Building Advisory
Commitee) and the New Guild.
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: FOUR: We believe in the availability and strong growth of
economic opportunity. We feel that those involved in their own
businesses are the best people to state the way CDS should set
about promoting that economic opportunity.
and FIVE ... the bottom-line ... we believe that finances should
continue to be managed, as they have indeed been up to the
present .... with prudence.
Thank you for your attention.
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pip
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: and now Pat?
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty delia
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: should i wait for clock reset?
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ok
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: forgive me if this is a bit rushed
i hadn't expected to do this
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: the csdf manifesto can be summed up as 'avenues for participation'
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we want the CDS to be more than just a beautiful place to live
but also a place where people can realise their true potential
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: that's why our members have been active in bodies such as the new guild
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: it gives an opportunity for people to learn to build (if they want to) and contribute to the development of our community
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we believe this because we are social democrats - we support liberal democracy - but we want to empower citizens, not just be in govnt for the sake of it
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: there's been a lot of talk recently about the need to abolish factions
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: i think ppl are mixing up 'factions' and 'factionalism' and trying to abolish disagreement, which is utopian and doomed to fail
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we will always have disagreement but the quesion is how to do deal with it
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: i think the best way is to have open and honest discussion
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: not get too hung up on being 'offended'
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and try to work constructively with others
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: that's what i will strive to do and what i'm sure the other csdf candidates will do
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we need to turn our thoughts urgently after the election to dealing with issues of participation
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: introduce a new voting system so ppl can stand outside of the faction system if they want to
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we are not opposed to such changes if the citizens want them
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: but let's not forget why we have factions in the first place
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: they provided a means to replace ppl if, for whatever reasons, they leave office half way thu a term
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: there needs to be account for that too
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pat
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we will work with whoever is elected to make that a reality
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ok. finished
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and with 20 secs to go!
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: if people have questions that they haven't yet passed to me please do so
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: thank you all. now to some questions from your fellow citizens
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: theses questions are addressed to all candidates. and although 1 person will sta
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: start, each candidate will get an opportunity to respond
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: please keep your responses as brief as you can and still answer as we want to get to as many issues as we can
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: this time, Pip please go first, then Pat, then Caro
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: 1. You have told us what your platform is. In what ways do you believe the platform on which you are running is important to the CDS? How do you anticipate that platform will make a difference in our community?
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake accepted your inventory offer.
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: well ... first of all we'll have the platform in mind at every question and motion that is bought up
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: secondly .. we want to take our place on all committees and WP with that platform in mind
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: third .. we will be canvassing citizens views informally to judge the feedback
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pat?
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: i think our platform is the one which is directed towards involvement of CDS citizens
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we have a record of taking action to involve ppl - holding citizens' commissions, proposing 'question time' sessions to hold the gove to account
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: that's the kind of actions you will see us take if you return csdf reps to the RA
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pat
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Caro?
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: CDS is a village of about 150 people...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: yet it has the byzantine governmental structure of a mighty empire...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: An elephant that often labours to give birth to a gnat.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Prior to the merger al-Andalus got along just fine with village meetings.
[2010/01/24 Wasp Thor: Amen
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: with the uneven connections and lag, please say "done" when you are finished speaking so we all will know
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: WE need to find a compromise between the two: An accountable structure that GETS THINGS DONE.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: If you look at the SEED* candidate list you'll see people who 's record of that speaks for itself.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: next question
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: 2. IMAGINE: It is July 2010 and we are gathered to look back at the concluding fo the CDS's 12th Representative Assembly. In a short window of a 6 months term it is not possible to get done everything you might want. What would have been this RA's major accomplishment and how did you contribute to bringing it about?
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pip, then Caro, then Pat
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: First we would have a smooth way of introducing new ppl to the CDS concentrating on parties and social gettogethers to make them feel at home
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: second we would have decided once and for all who exactly IS a "citizen"!!
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Sorry second? I didn't get first
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: and thirdly, we will have a simple flexivble above all _understandable_ constitution
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pip
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Caro?
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: I think I missed Pip's first point somehow, but ok
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Enough on factions...
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: let me repeat the question on the table
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: 2. IMAGINE: It is July 2010 and we are gathered to look back at the concluding fo the CDS's 12th Representative Assembly. In a short window of a 6 months term it is not possible to get done everything you might want. What would have been this RA's major accomplishment and how did you contribute to bringing it about?
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: In SEED* we have a lot of people involved in events and commerce commitees and in performing and promoting events...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: but we can only go so far in either of these directions without resources...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: I would like see us make maximum use of our simes: Get them occupied, with rent paid,..
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: that is the root of success.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: ok done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Caro
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pat?
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: th
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: the major achievement we need is the integration of Al Andalus and the former CDS sims - it hasn't happened yet
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: i think that the CDS factions - ours included - has not made enough effort to reach out to the former AA citizens
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we need to work together to build one community
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: part of that is political - talking about the CDS system and why it so 'byzantine'
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: but also cultural - exploring issues of cultural and political diversity. it's what we have in common and why the merger was a good and positive match
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: this is our most urgent task
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty, done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pat. and by serendipity the next question follows perfectly on these comments
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: this time Pat first, then Pip, then Caro
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: 3. The very beginning of our CDS constitution states "All branches of the government are bound to serve the public" One of the complaints this past term was that the people's representatives were not involving the public. How would you involve the public?
What specific actions will you take to encourage active involvement of the majority of our citizens in imagining, creating and administering our community?
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ok
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: first, we should alternate the RA meetings with 'Town Hall' type meetings
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: at these any one would be able to attend and raise issues of concern
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: that will help ot inform RA meetings of what citizens truly care about
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: they could be very much like the meetigns carolyn refers to in AA, a good way of bringing the best of both communities togethere
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we will also reinstate oure weekly meetings open to all citizens
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and hold office hours so that ppl can contact us with their concerns
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty, done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pat
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pip?
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: well first, i wd make a point of seeing ppl both 121 and in small groups
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: secondly, over a small time, i wd take take note of their strengths, their competences and what they wd be happy at
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: thirdly (most difficult) i wd try to persuade them in involving themselves in those particular activities where theyd feel happiest
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: and last review my actions and act accordingly
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pip
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Caro?
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Our 'branches of government' could use a pruning...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Both RA and SC grind exceeding slow...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Some of the commitees like the cultural comission I serve on are a lot lighter on their feet..
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: but you can get a lot done even less formally...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: a lot of people HATE commitees...
[2010/01/24 Wasp Thor: Amen
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: The method of al-Andalus meetings was kept alive SEED*Y Stui's Talking Hour...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: and you can get a lot done at events...
[2010/01/24 Wasp Thor: Amen
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: SEED*Y Joaquin Gustav is our best ambassidor..
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Aand I find out a lot by talking to folk at events.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: We need to loosen up!
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: ok done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Caro
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: next question
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: 4. No public official can do a good job for the citizenry without help from the citizenry. We appreciate that our RA donate their time in an effort to make the CDS a good place for all citizens. Given your priorities for the CDS and your commitment to governing well, what help do you need from us the citizens?
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: this time Pip, Caro then Pat
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: first "we" in the RA wd appreciate the active presence of CDS citizens in the 14-day meetings
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: secondly ... a roster of 2skills" wd be appreciated (remembering that we all are volunteers)
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: and thirdly ... when "weve" done something untoward or even outrageous, please _let us know_ ...
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pip
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Caro?
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: After talking?
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: What I want is for people to stand up.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: I want you to volunteer.
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[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: If you have an idea - that's good, tell me or anyone, but...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: If you're willing to be one of the people who puts in the time and effort to REALISE that idea THAT is what counts!
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Caro
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pat wb
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: and when you are re rezzed it's your turn. i'll re state the q for you
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: 4. No public official can do a good job for the citizenry without help from the citizenry. We appreciate that our RA donate their time in an effort to make the CDS a good place for all citizens. Given your priorities for the CDS and your commitment to governing well, what help do you need from us the citizens?
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty delia, i enjoyed my trip
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we need your views and your scutiny
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: tell us what you want to achieve in the CDS and let us know of any barriers you face
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: attend meetings or, if you hate meetings, read the transcript
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: if you don't like what we are doing - complain! loudly (but preferably civilly)
its your scrutiny which keeps govnt on track
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: blog, post on forums, make newspapers, hold meetings
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: participation is what our democracy should be all about
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty, done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pat
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: next question involves a concrete issue
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: please Caro first, then Pat, then Pip
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: 5. Land selling practices and prices for land in have changed in the past year across SL. In the CDS we have also made some changes recently in selling land in the CDS. What is your factions position on the continuation of 0 linden land sold from the CDS government? If you are opposed to it, what is your suggestion and how would you implement it?
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Ok, the land market is two issues...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: First, worldwide land prices are down because LL made a lot more of it. There's nothing we can do about that. In time prices will probably rise.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: second, locally, what CDS needs to do is to have it's land occupied...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: We have to pay LL the Tier , even if no-one is paying us rent...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: And that eats into our coffers...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: With land on the open market market going at little or indeed 0l$..
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: I believe that - as ashort term measure - we should do what it takes to get our land occupied and generating rent.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: It's a policy open to review as the circumstances change.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Caro
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pat?
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: i can see why the govn't decided to sell land off for L$0 - I even conceded it might be the right choice
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: it measn we get income and that's important to pay tier
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: but it has another effect
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: the govnt effectively undercuts the value of citizens investments by competing with them on price

[Rose Springvale]

[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: i don't think land should be sold for L$0. less maybe, but not for nothing
especially when it means citizenship and a vote
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we are not just a rental zone, we are a community
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: personally, i don't see what's wrong with holding an auction. i'm bidding on ebay as we speak - makes sense to me!
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty, done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pat
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pip?
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: first i wd try to look at CDS SL and land from a newby/strange avatar POV
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: what looks like a squalid slum? is it worth any more than zero?
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: he/she then looks at us ... our looknfeel our community the vibrancy ... then SEE thats its worth more than zero
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: so i wd give the new avatar the impression that we charge something thats worth the payment
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: as a side issue the method should be easy for the Exec to carry out
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pip
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: And thank you to each candidate for your thoughtful and thought provoking answers to the questions
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn claps
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: applause!
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Beer now?
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2010/01/24 Mikelo Serevi: that was nice
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: hehe
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: no, closing statements
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks, guys!
[2010/01/24 Cindy Ecksol claps
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn: oops
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: at this time w e will reset the timer and each candidate will have 5 min for closing remarks
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn: true, Rose...
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn hushes now and apologises
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: this time please Pat, then Pip, then Caro
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pat?
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty delia
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: i think we are at a pivotal moment in cds history here
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we have expanded to include another community
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and are bigger than ever before
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: but we struggle to understand each other
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and we look for reasons for why things dont work as we would wish them too
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: i think that some have drawn the wrong conclusions
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and think we need to dilute representative democracy and replace it with something faster, more efficient
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: that path has been tried before
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: both in the cds and outside and the utopia does not deliver
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: the path is instead a patient and a trying one
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we need to talk to each other
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: we need to listen more
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and we need to try to find solutions which we can all at least live with
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: rather than ramming through a decision jst because we have the votes
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: lets try to do that in the upcoming term
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and build one community that is more than the sum of the two which have joined together
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and lets remember that aboe all this is about the citizens
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: our ppl are our most percious resource
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: and finding ways, as i've outlined today, for them to participate is the most important of our tasks
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: our motto is 'avenues for participation' and we hope you will put us first on your ballot paper
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami: ty for listening
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pat
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Pip?
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn: did we lose Pip?
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: In many ways Pat has spoken for the DPU as well ... and of course, after July, the DPU will have no _direct_ effect on CDS elections or reprresentation ... howver ... all factions can continue in existence ... and they all provide a focus for a certain way of looking at things
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: o ... within the DPU "faction£ .. youll find ppl who later stand as themselves but will follow (more or less)
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: the principles in out platform ...
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: so .. "you pays yer money and yer takes yer choices!!"
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: think well at the ballot box ...
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: done
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: ty Pip
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: Caro?
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Ok, to sum up:
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Joaquin,
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Keila
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Lilith
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Soro
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Sterling
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Stui
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Oh and me I suppose
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: these people are your friends and neighbours
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: not a bunch of political hacks.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: people with long records of working hard for this community
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: even if it didn't come with any kind of job tile or chance to show off in meetings
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: We ALL believe in Democracy and Openness and all that stuff.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: All reasonable people do...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: It doesn't need saying over and over...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: What matters is a community , a village - because that's what we are...
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: and people working for each other.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Put SEED* first on your ballot please.
[2010/01/24 Carolyn Saarinen: Done
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: applause!!
[2010/01/24 Lilith Ivory: applause!
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn claps
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami wipes brow, phew!
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: thank you very much Pat, Caro and Pip for standing before us today as candidates and platform representatives
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades grins, claps.
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you all!!!
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: ***
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: you have by your participation enriched our democracy today!
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: now before we leave
[2010/01/24 Sonja Strom claps
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: please give Rose a minute to demonstrate our voting machine
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: hi, thanks Delia
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: Not demo per se
[2010/01/24 Beer whispers: Cheers!
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: just wanted to make sure everyone knows what they are looking for
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: you'll see these booths in all the plazas of the sims
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: touch them, and if you are eligible to vote in this election, it will tell you what to do next
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: if you dont' get info, it probably means you weren't a citizen on the closing date for this election
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: don't worry, we have elections every six months
[2010/01/24 Gwyneth Llewelyn: „ã°
[2010/01/24 Sonja Strom: hi Tor
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: The MOST important thing is... no matter what Faction you choose first
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: is to VOTE
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: That is the essense of Democracy, of all sorts
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: thanks
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok sends that mightily!
[2010/01/24 Pip Torok: *seconds
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades grins - ahem
[2010/01/24 Patroklus Murakami thirds
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: if I may
[2010/01/24 Rose Springvale: yields the floor to the boss
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: if anyone has a question about their voting rights
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: it is the CDS Scientific Council (our judiciary)
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: who runs thre electiohn
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: based on land ownership and citizen records
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: Delia is an SC member
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: Aliasi Stonebender is its Dean
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: so pinbg them please, if you have individual issues
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: o any one of us can help you track it down
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: also
[2010/01/24 Jamie Palisades: And warm thanks to Delia from our Scientific Council (CDS judiciary) for another fine job of moderating this debate.
[2010/01/24 Apollo Manga: I'm new in the CDS. When I go to vote, what exactly will I see on the ballot?
[2010/01/24 Delia Lake: This concludes our debate session. thank you to all our current candidates, and to all those who have served our CDS government in the past. We appreciate your work to make our virtual democracy a reality!!

[Rose Springvale]

Here is the link to Apollo's coverage of the debates.

http://www.examiner.com/x-4734-Second-L ... ion-debate