[2010/02/07 9:12] Arria Perreault: Delia and Sudane, I let you start
[2010/02/07 9:12] Delia Lake: It would of course be most preferable to have Stui here but if that is not possible we can administer the affirmation to him later
[2010/02/07 9:12] Delia Lake: Sudane?
[2010/02/07 9:12] Arria Perreault: she brought the stick
[2010/02/07 9:12] Sudane Erato: is there something i should do other than stand here? 
[2010/02/07 9:12] Arria Perreault: o
[2010/02/07 9:13] Arria Perreault: no
[2010/02/07 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles
[2010/02/07 9:13] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2010/02/07 9:13] Delia Lake: let me start then
[2010/02/07 9:14] Arias Ahren: Hellow everyone.
[2010/02/07 9:14] Rose Springvale: Hi Arias, welcome
[2010/02/07 9:15] Arias Ahren: Hi Rose. which is the section for the audience
[2010/02/07 9:15] Delia Lake: The Confederation of Democratic Simulators is a democratic state.
[2010/02/07 9:15] Jamie Palisades: good morning, forgive my being slow, I'm an iPhone cloud this morning
[2010/02/07 9:15] Rose Springvale: the chairs
[2010/02/07 9:15] Delia Lake: One of the freedoms embodied in our Constitution is that of religious choice as specified in one of its Founding Documents,
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
[2010/02/07 9:15] Delia Lake: Out of our respect for diverse religious beliefs about taking oaths as well as for RA members who may be non-religious, the
following affirmation does not contain any referrences to any supernatural entities.
[2010/02/07 9:15] Delia Lake: However, anyone taking office who may wish to do so may add the words "So help me God" [or any other entity] at the end, if
they wish so.
[2010/02/07 9:16] Delia Lake: They may also replace the words "affirm" by "swear" if they are so inclined.
[2010/02/07 9:17] Delia Lake: in the interest of some order here, and to prevent my missing anyone, we will start with Arria, and then follow around
clockwise from my perspective
[2010/02/07 9:17] Delia Lake: you each have a copy of the affirmation
[2010/02/07 9:17] Delia Lake: please repeat after me
[2010/02/07 9:17] Delia Lake: Arria. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:17] Arria Perreault: I, Arria Perreault, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:18] Delia Lake: Pat. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:18] Patroklus Murakami: I, Patroklus Murakami, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of
Democratic Simulators, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and
allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:18] Delia Lake: Gwyn. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I, Gwyneth Llewelyn, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:18] Delia Lake: Mikelo. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:18] Mikelo Serevi: I, Mikelo Serevi, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:18] Delia Lake: Lilith. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:19] Lilith Ivory: I, Lilith Ivory, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:19] Delia Lake: Caro. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:19] Carolyn Saarinen: I, Carolyn Saarinen, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:19] Delia Lake: Pip. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:19] Pip Torok: I, Pip Torok, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation
of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:19] Delia Lake: Gelf. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:19] Gelf Yalin: I, Gelf Yalin, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators,
do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:20] Delia Lake: Timo. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:20] Timo Gufler: I, Timo Gufler, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:20] Delia Lake: Imotali. I, [YOUR NAME], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:20] Imotali Antiesse: I, Imotali Antiesse, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic
Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators. So help
me, Ya Allah.
[2010/02/07 9:21] Delia Lake: Congratulations to all of you. on behalf of the entire Scientific Council. You now constitute the RA of the Confederation of
Democratic Simulators.
[2010/02/07 9:21] Cindy Ecksol: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[2010/02/07 9:21] Patroklus Murakami: Hurrah!
[2010/02/07 9:21] Sonja Strom: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[2010/02/07 9:21] Mikelo Serevi:
[2010/02/07 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn applauds
[2010/02/07 9:22] Rose Springvale: yay, you made it Keila
[2010/02/07 9:22] Sonja Strom: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[2010/02/07 9:22] Arria Perreault: Thank you very much, Delia
[2010/02/07 9:22] Keila Forager: I flew
[2010/02/07 9:22] Delia Lake: you're very welcome
[2010/02/07 9:22] Lilith Ivory: applause
[2010/02/07 9:22] Soro Dagostino: God help us all
[2010/02/07 9:22] Sudane Erato: i agree Soro
[2010/02/07 9:22] Arria Perreault: We can open the first meetinf of the 12th RA now
[2010/02/07 9:23] Arria Perreault: I have published an agenda on the forum and there is an updated version in the amphora
[2010/02/07 9:23] Arria Perreault: we will start with the administrative part of the meeting
[2010/02/07 9:24] Arria Perreault: I ask the member to agree to be recorded
[2010/02/07 9:24] Arria Perreault: and all people who intend to speak during this meeting
[2010/02/07 9:24] Arria Perreault: the recorder is on the table
[2010/02/07 9:26] Jamie Palisades: Arria, I cannot click it (iPhone client) but consent to being recorded.
[2010/02/07 9:26] Arria Perreault: I see in my mails that the tool is working
[2010/02/07 9:26] Arria Perreault: Thank you Jamie
[2010/02/07 9:27] Arria Perreault: Next point : Agenda
[2010/02/07 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I move to approve it, if nobody else has anything new to add...
[2010/02/07 9:27] Arria Perreault: I have added few points
[2010/02/07 9:27] Patroklus Murakami: seconded
[2010/02/07 9:27] Pip Torok: second
[2010/02/07 9:27] Arria Perreault: Thank you
[2010/02/07 9:28] Sudane Erato: speech speech!
[2010/02/07 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2010/02/07 9:28] Arria Perreault: do you agree with this agenda?
[2010/02/07 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[2010/02/07 9:28] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[2010/02/07 9:28] Pip Torok: aye
[2010/02/07 9:28] Gelf Yalin: aye
[2010/02/07 9:28] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[2010/02/07 9:28] Timo Gufler: aye
[2010/02/07 9:28] Imotali Antiesse: aye
[2010/02/07 9:28] Rose Springvale: hi Rowan, welcome!
[2010/02/07 9:28] Carolyn Saarinen: aye
[2010/02/07 9:28] Lilith Ivory: aye
[2010/02/07 9:28] Rowan Aurbierre: Thanks and hi Rose
[2010/02/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (Sudane, that's III a., we're still at I. b. )
[2010/02/07 9:29] Sudane Erato: oh
[2010/02/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 
[2010/02/07 9:29] Arria Perreault: the agenda is accepted
[2010/02/07 9:30] Arria Perreault: Next point: Inquire for speakers on today's agenda items.
[2010/02/07 9:30] Arria Perreault: who asks?
[2010/02/07 9:30] Arria Perreault: who want to speak during this meeting?
[2010/02/07 9:31] Carolyn Saarinen: I may have a minor point on I.f, initially
[2010/02/07 9:31] Carolyn Saarinen: or on other new business as it becomes clear
[2010/02/07 9:31] Rose Springvale: won't know til specifics are discussed
[2010/02/07 9:32] Soro Dagostino: I expect to commment on just about everything
[2010/02/07 9:32] Pip Torok: agree with Rose
[2010/02/07 9:32] Jamie Palisades: arria, I may have a question about your chancellor selection timing and whatever else is on agenda but not ecplained
[2010/02/07 9:32] Soro Dagostino: Not a good way to limity democracy
[2010/02/07 9:33] Arria Perreault: anybody else?
[2010/02/07 9:33] Mikelo Serevi: if we don't speak up now,we remain silent?
[2010/02/07 9:33] Gelf Yalin: i may want to speak later
[2010/02/07 9:33] Arria Perreault: RA members can speak
[2010/02/07 9:34] Soro Dagostino: Apparently
[2010/02/07 9:34] Mikelo Serevi: I thought so, but I'm a little new to this
[2010/02/07 9:34] Arria Perreault: I am asking the citizen who are in the praetorium
[2010/02/07 9:34] Sudane Erato:
[2010/02/07 9:34] Patroklus Murakami: RA members can speak on any issue mikelo. the LRA asks for speakers in case citizens have things they particularly
want to speak on. it helps to keep discussion going
[2010/02/07 9:34] Pip Torok: ah, I believe our delegation didn't realise that, Arria
[2010/02/07 9:34] Mikelo Serevi: I just wanted to clarify, thank you
[2010/02/07 9:35] Patroklus Murakami: no problem
[2010/02/07 9:35] Arria Perreault: sorry. I should have given an information
[2010/02/07 9:36] Arria Perreault: Next point: Future RA schedule: rhythm of meetings
[2010/02/07 9:36] Soro Dagostino: Giving birth?
[2010/02/07 9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Soro!
[2010/02/07 9:36] Patroklus Murakami raises hand
[2010/02/07 9:36] Arria Perreault: Pat?
[2010/02/07 9:36] Free Radar HUD v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets
[2010/02/07 9:36] Tomatoe Launcher: Enter Mouselook to shoot me!
[2010/02/07 9:36] Tomatoe Launcher: Could not find animation 'hold_L_handgun'
[2010/02/07 9:36] Arria Perreault: you have the floor
[2010/02/07 9:37] Patroklus Murakami: i'd like to propose that, in between our formal RA meetings, we hold informal 'Town Hall' meetings open to all.
perhaps the next one coudl be before our next scheduled meeting and in Al Andalus?
[2010/02/07 9:37] Tomatoe Launcher: Could not find animation 'hold_L_handgun'.
[2010/02/07 9:38] Arria Perreault: does it mean that we meet every two weeks?
[2010/02/07 9:38] Patroklus Murakami: this would give citizens direct input into our work in a less formal setting and continue some of the traditions of Al
Andalus/ i would prefer to hold formal RA meetings every two weeks
[2010/02/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So RA would meet one week; then the next week we'd have an informal Town Hall; then another RA meeting... and so forth?
[2010/02/07 9:39] Patroklus Murakami: yes gwyn
[2010/02/07 9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok, sorry — just to clarify.
[2010/02/07 9:39] Pip Torok: no imo 2-wk RA meetings plus any number of AA meetings
[2010/02/07 9:39] Carolyn Saarinen: who would have thought of that? 
[2010/02/07 9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah... ok, Pip... no set number
[2010/02/07 9:39] Patroklus Murakami: sure, the more the merrier!
[2010/02/07 9:40] Jamie Palisades smiles
[2010/02/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: so long as they're part of the regular events list so we know when they are...
[2010/02/07 9:40] Pip Torok agrrees with gwyn
[2010/02/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... or else they'd be TOO informal
[2010/02/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2010/02/07 9:40] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[2010/02/07 9:40] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[2010/02/07 9:40] Rose Springvale raises hand
[2010/02/07 9:40] Arria Perreault: Rose?
[2010/02/07 9:41] Carolyn Saarinen: I propose we call them 'Stui's Talking Hour' to be really original.
[2010/02/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Caro
[2010/02/07 9:41] Pip Torok: LOL
[2010/02/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[2010/02/07 9:41] Rose Springvale: i'm unclear, this is something the RA wishes to govern? as AA citizens always have many informal meetings, and i think it
is wrong to limit that
[2010/02/07 9:41] Patroklus Murakami: if i may clarify?
[2010/02/07 9:41] Pip Torok: my point Rose ...
[2010/02/07 9:41] Rose Springvale: and they don't generally calendar them.
[2010/02/07 9:41] Arria Perreault: yes, Pat, please
[2010/02/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2010/02/07 9:42] Patroklus Murakami: the proposal is to hold CDS Town Hall meetings. they would inform the work of this body.
[2010/02/07 9:42] Patroklus Murakami: the model is, in part, AAs 'Town Hall' meetings. but they would be open to all and might take place all over the cDS
[2010/02/07 9:43] Patroklus Murakami: i suggest we hold the first one in AA to honour AAs tradtions and to continue the work of merging the political and
cultural systems of the two communities. that's all
[2010/02/07 9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: may I add something?
[2010/02/07 9:43] Pip Torok agrees
[2010/02/07 9:43] Arria Perreault: yes, Gwyn
[2010/02/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, one important thing to remember is that the right of assembly is given, that is nothing the government can take
away ...
[2010/02/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If I understand these "Town Halls" correctly,
[2010/02/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the point is just that at least most RA reps will be attending, right?
[2010/02/07 9:44] Pip Torok: uviv Dec of Human Rights article 20 ... to be precise
[2010/02/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: e.g. it'll be a duty
[2010/02/07 9:44] Rose Springvale: if you aren't suggesting replacing the conversations already going on, no problem. STH for example, doesn't limit itself
to SL issues, often taking on real issues
[2010/02/07 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (thanks for the reference, Pip!)
[2010/02/07 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: exactly, Rose
[2010/02/07 9:45] Patroklus Murakami: i would encourage RA members to attend. i would hope most would try to attend (time zones are tricky things tho!)
[2010/02/07 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: so the point would be... having a time... where citizens can yell at their reps... make sure they're heard... on a less
informal way than here at the RA
[2010/02/07 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, yes, of course, Pat — time zones and personal schedules permitting
[2010/02/07 9:46] Rose Springvale: transcripted?
[2010/02/07 9:46] Patroklus Murakami: yes
[2010/02/07 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: transcripted too, I believe
[2010/02/07 9:46] Patroklus Murakami: yes rose
[2010/02/07 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok, this starts to require a bill lol
[2010/02/07 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: to formalise the informal gathering
[2010/02/07 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
[2010/02/07 9:46] Arria Perreault: Any other comment on the proposal of Pat?
[2010/02/07 9:46] Solomon Mosely: 'yelling at reps...'?
[2010/02/07 9:47] Jamie Palisades: eel, transcripted, will need a convener then
[2010/02/07 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: just my figure of speech, Solomon
[2010/02/07 9:47] Mikelo Serevi: well, maybe we can see how it goes
[2010/02/07 9:47] Mikelo Serevi: I think it's a good idea
[2010/02/07 9:47] Solomon Mosely: you must be a rep?
[2010/02/07 9:47] Patroklus Murakami: well, it's been said that this body often strains like an elephant and produces a gnat. i think this should be an easy
win without too much formality
[2010/02/07 9:47] Solomon Mosely: well, does the mob need a bill to meet? are these mandatory for rep attendance?
[2010/02/07 9:47] Pip Torok agrees with Pat
[2010/02/07 9:47] Soro Dagostino: Sounds like an effort to keep the masses from talking at RA
[2010/02/07 9:47] Lilith Ivory: Pat, I wonder if you suggest that to keep people out of the regular RA meetings
[2010/02/07 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Nah, Solomon.
[2010/02/07 9:47] Solomon Mosely: right
[2010/02/07 9:48] Mikelo Serevi: I second the proposal
[2010/02/07 9:48] Patroklus Murakami: certainly not
[2010/02/07 9:48] Solomon Mosely: what proposal?
[2010/02/07 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: most definitely not!
[2010/02/07 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, I second Pat's suggestion with Pip's amendment (no set dates), having them transcripted, RA members attending, and the necessity of setting it on the events list
[2010/02/07 9:48] Patroklus Murakami: it's not intended to keep ppl out of RA meetings
[2010/02/07 9:48] Arria Perreault: Thank you, Gwyn
[2010/02/07 9:48] Rose Springvale: time of day?
[2010/02/07 9:48] Arria Perreault: We can vote
[2010/02/07 9:48] Lilith Ivory: ok Pat
[2010/02/07 9:48] Patroklus Murakami: citizens should always be welcome to attend at RA and speak
[2010/02/07 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: no set time, as per Pip's suggestion, Rose
[2010/02/07 9:48] Solomon Mosely: are you voting on having no n mandatory, unlisted, informal meetings?
[2010/02/07 9:48] Solomon Mosely: relly?
[2010/02/07 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: informal in the proceedings
[2010/02/07 9:48] Jamie Palisades: oh, fooey sorority, let's see the experiment tried. not like Stui's meetings quelled RA debate
[2010/02/07 9:49] Solomon Mosely: uh huh
[2010/02/07 9:49] Arria Perreault: Pat, can yyou reformulate your proposal, so it is clear for everyone?
[2010/02/07 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, please.
[2010/02/07 9:49] Rose Springvale: there would be no voting, so no issues with quorum right?
[2010/02/07 9:49] Solomon Mosely: how about scheduled regional meetings on the off RA weeks? like a CN meeting, an LA merting, etc...
[2010/02/07 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (exactly, Rose)
[2010/02/07 9:49] Solomon Mosely: or faction meetings?
[2010/02/07 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Regional meetings is a great idea, Solomon! As for faction meetings, the way they organise themselves is up to them ...
[2010/02/07 9:50] Patroklus Murakami: i propose that the RA hold a meeting next week in AA. Town Hall format. No votes, quorum or decisions. all citizens
welcome and free to speak and participate. i suggest we use teh same time as this meeting as a starting point.
[2010/02/07 9:50] Jamie Palisades grins & pretends his iPhone did NOT spell "Soro" as "sorority" ...
[2010/02/07 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
[2010/02/07 9:50] Arria Perreault: Thank you Pat
[2010/02/07 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (I was wondering, Jamie... hehe )
[2010/02/07 9:50] Arria Perreault: RA members who agree with Pat's proposal say aye
[2010/02/07 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[2010/02/07 9:50] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[2010/02/07 9:50] Pip Torok: aye
[2010/02/07 9:51] Solomon Mosely: i just mean, if you're going to vote on someht8ing, then how about a real meeting with times, otherwise it seems like
you're voting on the fact that maybe getting together icould be a good idea
[2010/02/07 9:51] Patroklus Murakami just set a date and time....
[2010/02/07 9:51] Gelf Yalin: AYE
[2010/02/07 9:51] Pip Torok thinks Sol's proposal would smother real participation
[2010/02/07 9:51] Timo Gufler: abstain
[2010/02/07 9:51] Solomon Mosely: i ddnt propose anything
[2010/02/07 9:51] Lilith Ivory: aye
[2010/02/07 9:51] Solomon Mosely: aye
[2010/02/07 9:52] Imotali Antiesse: for a try, aye
[2010/02/07 9:52] Patroklus Murakami: i think my 'aye' is implicit but here it is anyway!
[2010/02/07 9:52] Carolyn Saarinen: So long as we all realise that citizen's don't need RA permission to talk, then aye.
[2010/02/07 9:52] Patroklus Murakami: of course caro!
[2010/02/07 9:52] Arria Perreault: I say aye too
[2010/02/07 9:52] Soro Dagostino: LOL
[2010/02/07 9:52] Sonja Strom: hehe
[2010/02/07 9:52] Carolyn Saarinen: I mean, the meetings will happen anyway, thay have so far!
[2010/02/07 9:53] Arria Perreault: 8 aye, 1 abstention, motion corries
[2010/02/07 9:53] Mikelo Serevi: I think the intent is to reach out, not to lock down
[2010/02/07 9:53] Pip Torok: very true!
[2010/02/07 9:53] Arria Perreault: Thank you
[2010/02/07 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, of course! when two citizens log in to SL and chat about the CDS, it's a meeting
[2010/02/07 9:53] Patroklus Murakami: ty shall i liaise with rose to set it up? sensible next step?
[2010/02/07 9:53] Arria Perreault: We will contact Rose to find a location in AA for this meeting
[2010/02/07 9:53] Rose Springvale: welcome Ariel
[2010/02/07 9:53] Rose Springvale: sure, lots of places
[2010/02/07 9:54] Ariel Feden: hey there
[2010/02/07 9:54] Arria Perreault: Next point: Representative Assembly Rules of Procedure
[2010/02/07 9:54] Arria Perreault: Only a reminder. The rules are published in the CDS portal: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=281
[2010/02/07 9:55] Arria Perreault: I would appreciate a lot that any proposal is published on the forums few days before meetings
[2010/02/07 9:55] Lilith Ivory: uhm ... so the RA meets every 14 days at 9am right?
[2010/02/07 9:55] Arria Perreault: yes
[2010/02/07 9:55] Lilith Ivory: ok thanks
[2010/02/07 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: should we vote on that?
[2010/02/07 9:56] Soro Dagostino: Why not?
[2010/02/07 9:56] Arria Perreault: On the rules of procedures?
[2010/02/07 9:56] Timo Gufler: do we have other choices?
[2010/02/07 9:56] Mikelo Serevi: does anyone disagree?
[2010/02/07 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No... on the date & time of meetings
[2010/02/07 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe yes, Mikelo, let's be practical... does anyone disagree with the date & time?
[2010/02/07 9:57] Arria Perreault: was it not implicit with the previous vote?
[2010/02/07 9:57] Rose Springvale hates the date and time of RA meetings, but is not a rep
[2010/02/07 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, that was for the Town Hall meetings....
[2010/02/07 9:57] Carolyn Saarinen: I would only suggest, that we not be rigid on that...
[2010/02/07 9:57] Patroklus Murakami: i think any discussion of date/time of meetings is better taken offline. if there's no disagreement, let's agree to
fortnightly Sundays at 9am SLT
[2010/02/07 9:57] Mikelo Serevi: Yes, I think it was
[2010/02/07 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, I second Pat's suggestion then.
[2010/02/07 9:57] Arria Perreault: if not, let's make a motion and find a second
[2010/02/07 9:57] Carolyn Saarinen: It may prove difficult for someone..
[2010/02/07 9:58] Carolyn Saarinen: so long as there is proper notice, it may be best to have some flexibility.
[2010/02/07 9:58] Gelf Yalin: very good time 4 me
[2010/02/07 9:58] Solomon Mosely: is it a Representative Assembly Rules of Procedure to revote on all exsisting Representative Assembly Rules of Procedure
when a new RA is voted in?
[2010/02/07 9:58] Timo Gufler: fairly good for me, but not perfect
[2010/02/07 9:58] Patroklus Murakami: let's use this as our default time and, if ppl have problems with it, change it?
[2010/02/07 9:59] Mikelo Serevi: good idea, pat
[2010/02/07 9:59] Arria Perreault: ok for me
[2010/02/07 9:59] Solomon Mosely: yes, good idea, stick with the esting time until someone says its a problem
[2010/02/07 9:59] Carolyn Saarinen: Yes, some possibility to make changes.
[2010/02/07 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2010/02/07 9:59] Arria Perreault: ok
[2010/02/07 10:00] Arria Perreault: I will ask people by email or doodle
[2010/02/07 10:01] Carolyn Saarinen: Proper notice is the key, we don't want a repeat of lst term's last meeting.
[2010/02/07 10:01] Jamie Palisades: (no, to solomons q about re-voting on rules; they're good until amended)
[2010/02/07 10:01] Pip Torok: true
[2010/02/07 10:01] Arria Perreault: does an member of the RA want a vote about date and time of meeting and rules of Procedure?
[2010/02/07 10:01] Patroklus Murakami: no!
[2010/02/07 10:01] Arria Perreault: I did not propose any change to this rules
[2010/02/07 10:01] Pip Torok: no ..
[2010/02/07 10:01] Arria Perreault: I have asked for something that is already written
[2010/02/07 10:02] Jamie Palisades:
[2010/02/07 10:02] Arria Perreault: ok. We move to next point: Update of the CDS group and the portraits
[2010/02/07 10:02] Carolyn Saarinen: Well "So it is written, so shall it be".
[2010/02/07 10:02] Object whispers: mmmm..., tea!
[2010/02/07 10:03] Arria Perreault: About the group, I would appreciate that the CDS group is updated with the current members of the RA.
[2010/02/07 10:03] Arria Perreault: I have already organized the update of the portraits. I thank Sudane for the work she has already done
[2010/02/07 10:03] Jamie Palisades: arria, I can fix groups
[2010/02/07 10:03] Pip Torok: Arria, has the DPU delegate given you all the information you need?
[2010/02/07 10:04] Jamie Palisades: officers, actuallu
[2010/02/07 10:04] Pip Torok: *delegation
[2010/02/07 10:04] Carolyn Saarinen: Does 'portraits' mean on the message boards?
[2010/02/07 10:04] Arria Perreault: Every RA members has to send a notecard to Sudane to update or add the text
[2010/02/07 10:04] Jamie Palisades: and yes, sudane controls that device, caro
[2010/02/07 10:04] Arria Perreault: yes, Caro
[2010/02/07 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok... I should just say that at least I've updated the forum group for the RA. All new members are in it, except Stui
(!) because I couldn't find his account on the forums, does someone know what his account there is?
[2010/02/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (btw any SC member can also do that hehe )
[2010/02/07 10:05] Arria Perreault: Good
[2010/02/07 10:05] Ariel Feden: he'll be here shortly G
[2010/02/07 10:05] Rose Springvale: send him an inworld IM, he will get back to you
[2010/02/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok, Ariel!
[2010/02/07 10:05] Carolyn Saarinen: Ok, well, I think I'm generally recognisable, but my skin, hair etc changes frequently. I'll update as often as Sudane likes.
[2010/02/07 10:05] Arria Perreault: there is also the CDS in-world group
[2010/02/07 10:05] Cindy Ecksol raises hand
[2010/02/07 10:05] Arria Perreault: wait Cindy
[2010/02/07 10:06] Arria Perreault: Crolyn has asked to speak about this point
[2010/02/07 10:06] Arria Perreault: then you have the floor
[2010/02/07 10:06] Cindy Ecksol nods
[2010/02/07 10:06] Arria Perreault: Caro?
[2010/02/07 10:07] Carolyn Saarinen: That was my minor point: I'm generally the same shape, but details vary, I will update as asked, but I can't sure to be 'current'
[2010/02/07 10:07] Carolyn Saarinen: *be sure*
[2010/02/07 10:07] Arria Perreault: ok
[2010/02/07 10:07] Arria Perreault: Cindy
[2010/02/07 10:07] Mikelo Serevi: this is not uncommon in SL, I'm sure it's fine
[2010/02/07 10:08] Cindy Ecksol: thanks arria. just wanted to point out that members of the RA should update the status board that was installed last term in NFS
[2010/02/07 10:08] Arria Perreault: It's partly done
[2010/02/07 10:08] Cindy Ecksol: everyone will need a profile notecards. pictures come from your SL profile so that part is easy
[2010/02/07 10:08] Cindy Ecksol: finished, thanks
[2010/02/07 10:08] Rose Springvale raises hand
[2010/02/07 10:08] Arria Perreault: thank you Cindy
[2010/02/07 10:09] Arria Perreault: Rose?
[2010/02/07 10:09] Carolyn Saarinen notes to update profile pic
[2010/02/07 10:09] Rose Springvale: thanks. As to the CDS group, there are also a number of new citizens, and citizens who are only in the AA group.. so we
need to take some time and go over the roles carefully. Jamie is in the process of doing this. Also
[2010/02/07 10:09] Arria Perreault: Thank you
[2010/02/07 10:10] Rose Springvale: if any RA member doesn't belong to the AA group, and wished to have notice powers there, let me know
[2010/02/07 10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh nice to know that, Rose
[2010/02/07 10:10] Arria Perreault: Thank also for this offer
[2010/02/07 10:10] Rose Springvale: yw
[2010/02/07 10:10] Solomon Mosely: powers to notice for any events?
or just events that occur in the cds or AA lands?
[2010/02/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: only cds and AA sol
[2010/02/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: unless something content specific
[2010/02/07 10:11] Arria Perreault: To close this administrative part, I want to thank you all people who have make the beginning of the 12th RA easy
[2010/02/07 10:11] Solomon Mosely: thank you
[2010/02/07 10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks, Arria
[2010/02/07 10:12] Arria Perreault: I did not find any items to continue from the prior RA. Keila has started a working group about the portal and other
websites of CDS, but she will report on a further meeting
[2010/02/07 10:13] Arria Perreault: I add that Keila would be happy to get inputs about that question
[2010/02/07 10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (thanks for volunteering to do that, Keila! )
[2010/02/07 10:13] Rose Springvale: she has a brief report i think
[2010/02/07 10:13] Rose Springvale: but may be afk
[2010/02/07 10:13] Rose Springvale: so i have it to paste if you wish
[2010/02/07 10:13] Arria Perreault: ok, Rose
[2010/02/07 10:13] Delia Lake also appreciates Keila volunteering
[2010/02/07 10:13] Rose Springvale: The Portal and Forum WorkGroup meeting was held on Friday. It was a bit of a brainstorming session to see what needs to be done. Two big issues are design (since it's not easy to find info and navigate ) and content ( missing info, outdated info, additional info we would like
to see). We really need to get input from everyone, and particularly specifics as to what some of the problems are. EX: In the NFS covenant it says. " As a
member you agree to abide by the rules and laws of the community as displayed on the CDS website, http://neufreistadt.info, as well as the terms of use of
this parcel of land, also found on that website." That link takes you to a page that doesn't exist anymore. I will post a more detailed summary posted to the
forum and we will welcome any and all constructive comments. As soon as I know my RL work schedule , we will schedule another meeting.
[2010/02/07 10:14] Rose Springvale: that's her's
[2010/02/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2010/02/07 10:14] Arria Perreault: Thank you, Rose
[2010/02/07 10:14] Rose Springvale: yw
[2010/02/07 10:14] Arria Perreault: I move to the next point
[2010/02/07 10:15] Arria Perreault: Claude has remembered me to make an inaugural speech
[2010/02/07 10:15] Arria Perreault: I will start with it
[2010/02/07 10:15] Patroklus Murakami: speech! speech!
[2010/02/07 10:15] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[2010/02/07 10:15] Rose Springvale: hm, generally done at the ball
[2010/02/07 10:15] Arria Perreault: We are opening today the 12th Representative Assembly. It means 12 elections, several participating factions, many
representants who has given their time, many political changes. It mean that the democratical spirit which is the origin of our community is still living.
[2010/02/07 10:16] Arria Perreault: The democracy has two roots: participation of poeple and debate. Everyone can participate by voting, by being candidate,
by proposing their idea, by participating to workgroups or NGO, by observing what happens and by critizing, discussing, commenting.
[2010/02/07 10:16] Arria Perreault: The debate seems to me an important part of our democracy. I am sure that we can find better solutions for our community by debating. I aware that sometimes a democratical process can take time, but I am confident that we get at the end a solution poeple can leave with.
[2010/02/07 10:17] Arria Perreault: live* with
[2010/02/07 10:17] Arria Perreault: Our community has several challenges to face. Some are internal. We have recently merged two communities in one. We have more land, more citizen, more places of interests. This merging is a long process and, in my opinion, it is not yet totally achieved. It will one point the
RA will have to discuss. We have to see this as a chance to evolve as community, as democracy. It questions our definition of citizen. It questions our land
management. I see many signs of good will from both side, so I am confident.
[2010/02/07 10:18] Solomon Mosely: clap clap clap
[2010/02/07 10:18] Jamie Palisades applauds
[2010/02/07 10:18] Pip Torok applauds
[2010/02/07 10:18] Lilith Ivory: applause
[2010/02/07 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: bravo, Arria
[2010/02/07 10:18] Arria Perreault: Several critics have been made regarding the way our community communicates. We have currently several tools and each correspond to a need. A process has been started: a workgroup is trying to analyse this question. The RA will have to hear about that too.
[2010/02/07 10:18] Timo Gufler claps
[2010/02/07 10:18] Ulysse Alexandre applauds
[2010/02/07 10:19] Solomon Mosely blushes
[2010/02/07 10:19] Arria Perreault: Some of our challenges come from outside. The CDS is itself in an evolving universe, Second Life. The way Linden Lab is
acting has an effect on us and we have to constantly observe what is going on. Of course, the real world has also effects on our community, especially the
economic situation, as we have to pay our tiers. In the same time, the virtual economy is not that bad. A lot of virtual goods are exchanged in SL or in
other platforms.
[2010/02/07 10:19] Arria Perreault: The composition of the RA is very new comparing to the past term, that was special because of the merging. I am
confident that the 12th RA represents all the citizen of CDS and will work in the interest of the community. I expect balanced debates with a good
argumentation. I expect also that we let citizen participate to the debate by publishing proposals early in the forums to give time for the discussion.
[2010/02/07 10:20] Arria Perreault: Thank you for your attention and let's start the work of the 12th RA.
[2010/02/07 10:20] Patroklus Murakami: hear, hear!
[2010/02/07 10:20] Mikelo Serevi:
[2010/02/07 10:20] Patroklus Murakami applauds
[2010/02/07 10:20] Pip Torok: hear hear
[2010/02/07 10:20] Sylvia Tinkel: yay! *claps*
[2010/02/07 10:20] Ulysse Alexandre applauds
[2010/02/07 10:20] Imotali Antiesse: nods
[2010/02/07 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn claps
[2010/02/07 10:21] Sonja Strom: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[2010/02/07 10:21] Lilith Ivory: /applauds
[2010/02/07 10:21] Gelf Yalin: nods
[2010/02/07 10:21] Timo Gufler applauds
[2010/02/07 10:21] Arria Perreault: Thank you. I will move to the next point
[2010/02/07 10:21] Arria Perreault: RA discussion on this term's priorities
[2010/02/07 10:22] Arria Perreault: Who will the floor?
[2010/02/07 10:22] Soro Dagostino: What is the proposal?
[2010/02/07 10:22] Pip Torok raises
[2010/02/07 10:22] Arria Perreault: Pip
[2010/02/07 10:22] Pip Torok raises hand
[2010/02/07 10:23] Arria Perreault: I ask RA member to express themselves about the priorities they see for our work
[2010/02/07 10:23] Arria Perreault: Pip, you have the floor
[2010/02/07 10:23] Pip Torok: answering a question in the "hustings" on thAT SUBJECT
[2010/02/07 10:24] Pip Torok: i proposed ... the defiintion of a citizen ... the smooth and friendly intodyction of new citizens AND a new constitution
[2010/02/07 10:24] Pip Torok: speaking for the DPU it remains that way
[2010/02/07 10:24] Pip Torok: finished
[2010/02/07 10:24] Arria Perreault: thank you
[2010/02/07 10:24] Patroklus Murakami raises hand
[2010/02/07 10:25] Arria Perreault: Patroklus, you have the floor
[2010/02/07 10:25] Patroklus Murakami: ty
[2010/02/07 10:25] Patroklus Murakami: i think the priority this term is to continue the merging of the two communities of Al Andalus and the former CDS
[2010/02/07 10:25] Patroklus Murakami: it's begun but by no means ended
[2010/02/07 10:26] Patroklus Murakami: this term, should the parties so wish, the merger could end (the so-called 'wasp clause')
[2010/02/07 10:26] Patroklus Murakami: i don't expect it to
[2010/02/07 10:26] Patroklus Murakami: but I think we need to work on making this one community, while respecting the diversity within it
[2010/02/07 10:26] Patroklus Murakami: that's all
[2010/02/07 10:26] Rose Springvale defines: wasp clause is a clause in the merger that allows either side to undo it in July 2010
[2010/02/07 10:27] Patroklus Murakami: ty rose
[2010/02/07 10:27] Rose Springvale: (lots of new people here)
[2010/02/07 10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (which is good lol )
[2010/02/07 10:28] Arria Perreault: Are you done, Pat?
[2010/02/07 10:28] Patroklus Murakami: yes arria, ty
[2010/02/07 10:28] Arria Perreault: I guessed you have spoken in the name of CSDF
[2010/02/07 10:29] Arria Perreault: Does anyone from SEED want to say something?
[2010/02/07 10:29] Carolyn Saarinen: Only that the Wasp Clause...
[2010/02/07 10:30] Carolyn Saarinen: Is not so readily dismissed by some al-andalus citizens.
[2010/02/07 10:30] Carolyn Saarinen: SEED* was formed - not as an AA FAction...
[2010/02/07 10:30] Carolyn Saarinen: but as a progressive one...
[2010/02/07 10:31] Arria Perreault: Caro, I have asked you about the general priorities of the term
[2010/02/07 10:31] Carolyn Saarinen: failure of progress on ther issues that concern our... less conventiional citizens, will lead to discontent.
[2010/02/07 10:32] Ariel Feden winks at stui
[2010/02/07 10:32] Arria Perreault: Any other remark about the priorities for the term?
[2010/02/07 10:32] Carolyn Saarinen: very well, proper communications - no repeat of an RA meeting called without notice and with members proposing that
those who could not attend be denied a vote...
[2010/02/07 10:33] Lilith Ivory: and to enable people to become RA candidates without being in a faction
[2010/02/07 10:33] Carolyn Saarinen: The full aboliution of the faction system..
[2010/02/07 10:33] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm here !
[2010/02/07 10:33] Arria Perreault: Hi Stui
[2010/02/07 10:33] Pip Torok: Alrady settled Caro
[2010/02/07 10:33] Arria Perreault: I think you can pronounce you oath
[2010/02/07 10:33] Arria Perreault: and then join us
[2010/02/07 10:34] Arria Perreault: Delia will ask you
[2010/02/07 10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: welcome, Stui
[2010/02/07 10:34] Lilith Ivory: Hi Stui
[2010/02/07 10:34] Carolyn Saarinen: Until, it's over turned because SEED* is utterly out-voted in this assembly Pip!
[2010/02/07 10:34] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I, StuiChicanne Darkstone, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic
Simulators.
[2010/02/07 10:34] Delia Lake: thank you. Stui
[2010/02/07 10:34] Mikelo Serevi: Welcome, stui
[2010/02/07 10:34] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Nothing is settled in CDS Pippet
[2010/02/07 10:35] Solomon Mosely raises hand
[2010/02/07 10:35] Arria Perreault: Welcome by us, Stui
[2010/02/07 10:35] StuiChicanne Darkstone: because all things can change in accordance with the needs of citizens
[2010/02/07 10:35] Delia Lake: you may now join the rest of this term's RA
[2010/02/07 10:35] Jamie Palisades smiles. Caro, minority factions here have OFTEN influenced things as much or more than majorities. Forgive me for
speaking up, but I;d not worry about that. As Arria said, there's a lot of good will to work together here, and it;s a new term.
[2010/02/07 10:35] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Delia do I have to ?
[2010/02/07 10:35] Solomon Mosely looks for a magic punctuation totouch...
[2010/02/07 10:36] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I like sitting in strange places
[2010/02/07 10:36] StuiChicanne Darkstone: the rest of the RA like to sit on the pews
[2010/02/07 10:36] Solomon Mosely: i think that may be all a place needs stui....
[2010/02/07 10:36] Mikelo Serevi: your sconce is open, stui
[2010/02/07 10:36] Arria Perreault: Stui, can you also consent to be recorded
[2010/02/07 10:37] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I may sit on Pippets knee tho
[2010/02/07 10:37] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I could
[2010/02/07 10:37] Arria Perreault: This point was an open discussion
[2010/02/07 10:37] Solomon Mosely raises hand
[2010/02/07 10:37] Arria Perreault: Solomon?
[2010/02/07 10:37] Sylvia Tinkel: this is so ... dramatic
[2010/02/07 10:38] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Arria has a good view
[2010/02/07 10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles
[2010/02/07 10:38] Carolyn Saarinen: My money was o nthe big amphora
[2010/02/07 10:38] Solomon Mosely: i've been in and out for a while, but has there been any talk of the cds producing anything?
[2010/02/07 10:38] Solomon Mosely: like , of value to Sl?
[2010/02/07 10:38] Arria Perreault: I am mainly looking the Chat local
[2010/02/07 10:38] Jeroma Wycliffe: Stui: cross your legs 
[2010/02/07 10:38] Solomon Mosely: be it events, education
[2010/02/07 10:38] Solomon Mosely: widgets,
[2010/02/07 10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh nice point, Solomon!!! very good
[2010/02/07 10:38] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I get told off for sitting on the recorder *LOL*
[2010/02/07 10:39] Solomon Mosely: but somthing to bring to the virtual table?
[2010/02/07 10:39] Patroklus Murakami has a suggestion in answer to solomon....
[2010/02/07 10:39] Rose Springvale looks at the clock .. and the agenda...
[2010/02/07 10:39] Solomon Mosely: thank you gwen
[2010/02/07 10:39] Mikelo Serevi: You mean besides democracy?
[2010/02/07 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn wonders if Solomon is suggesting that we make that a priority for this term.
[2010/02/07 10:39] Solomon Mosely: yes
[2010/02/07 10:39] Solomon Mosely: very much besides something that most people already have in their lives
[2010/02/07 10:39] Arria Perreault: Pat?
[2010/02/07 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would definitely welcome that idea, Solomon! Totally so!!!
[2010/02/07 10:40] Solomon Mosely: i am gwen
[2010/02/07 10:40] Patroklus Murakami: good idea solomon. i think there's lots we could do. i'll keep my powder dry for now given the time....
[2010/02/07 10:40] Arria Perreault: yes, we cannot list everything now
[2010/02/07 10:40] Solomon Mosely: of course, i just hate the idea of us playing house here
[2010/02/07 10:40] Moon Adamant waves hello quietly to all
[2010/02/07 10:40] StuiChicanne Darkstone: MOON !!!!!
[2010/02/07 10:40] Solomon Mosely: and i know i have failed in my own duties at times, but i'd like to do better
[2010/02/07 10:41] Arria Perreault: this is the work of the factions and of the citizen to make proposals
[2010/02/07 10:41] Arria Perreault: and maybe we can discuss some of these points during the Town Halls
[2010/02/07 10:41] Arria Perreault: Any other remark on that point?
[2010/02/07 10:42] Rose Springvale raises hand
[2010/02/07 10:42] Arria Perreault: Rose?
[2010/02/07 10:42] Solomon Mosely: i would like to say that i will making that point agian and offering a couple ideas at the next town hall metting
[2010/02/07 10:42] Solomon Mosely: sorry rose
[2010/02/07 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: good, good, Solomon ))
[2010/02/07 10:42] Rose Springvale: thanks. In rl government we always have the issue of "unfunded mandates"... proposals passed without proper funding
[2010/02/07 10:42] Arria Perreault: great
[2010/02/07 10:42] Solomon Mosely: ha
[2010/02/07 10:42] Rose Springvale: in sl, that takes the form of proposals without proper volunteer support
[2010/02/07 10:43] Rose Springvale: i'd just ask the ra to make sure you spread the wealth
[2010/02/07 10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hear, hear!
[2010/02/07 10:43] Solomon Mosely: point taken....
[2010/02/07 10:43] Jamie Palisades: Hear hear
[2010/02/07 10:43] Arria Perreault: that's I think that it is a work of the factions and of the citizen and also the different NGO we have to make these proposal
[2010/02/07 10:44] Delia Lake agrees with Rose's points
[2010/02/07 10:45] Sonja Strom agrees too
[2010/02/07 10:45] Arria Perreault: Anyone else? (the term is starting. Use also Town Halls and forums)
[2010/02/07 10:45] Arria Perreault: May I move to the next point?
[2010/02/07 10:45] StuiChicanne Darkstone: well I wonder if we can make some sort of incentive for volunteering
[2010/02/07 10:45] Solomon Mosely: well, weekly gathers to aye and nay are arranged and executed, perhaps some other sounds of progress could be mustered, form myself included
[2010/02/07 10:46] Mikelo Serevi: I trust the volunteers would have their own motivation
[2010/02/07 10:47] Arria Perreault: Any citizen has the right to propose something. He/she can find a member of the RA who can introduce his/her proposal
[2010/02/07 10:47] Solomon Mosely: eh...
[2010/02/07 10:47] Arria Perreault: I will move to the next point
[2010/02/07 10:47] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I think that the issue is that the same people do the same amount of work - i.e lots and everyone reaps the benefit...
[2010/02/07 10:47] Arria Perreault: RA Archivist
[2010/02/07 10:47] StuiChicanne Darkstone: with incentive we could share the burdens
[2010/02/07 10:48] Arria Perreault: Since two terms, we don't have any RA archivist
[2010/02/07 10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 
[2010/02/07 10:48] Solomon Mosely: what would they do?
[2010/02/07 10:48] Arria Perreault: Our law corpus is not updated in the forum
[2010/02/07 10:49] Mikelo Serevi: Hmm, that's a problem
[2010/02/07 10:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: "The RA Archivist is responsible for maintaining the public records of the RA including the posting of:
meeting transcripts
summaries of RA action and votes
texts of approved bills.
Transcripts and summaries should be posted within 72 hours of RA meetings.
Full texts of approved bills should be posted within five days.
Postings may be to the forums and/or wiki."
[2010/02/07 10:49] Arria Perreault: The RA Archivist must update the law corpus with the RA decisions
[2010/02/07 10:49] Arria Perreault: Ty Gwyn
[2010/02/07 10:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
(CONT)