Locus Amoneus Covenants

[Arias Ahren]

The Locus Amoneus Covenants call for prims to maintain an Ancient Roman theme. I realize that at times this is a bit difficult and some flexibility should be entertained, but gross violations are not in the best interest of the community. A number of people have complained about a number of additions that have been placed on the beach: A modern volleyball court, A basketball net, and two bright beach umbrellas that are contemporary 20th century artifacts. I think it imperative that gross violations of the community covenants be taken seriously and would call on all residents to insist that these items be removed.

[Sonja Strom]

To me the volleyball court looks very out of place on this Roman-themed beach. In the past I have asked its owner two different times if it could be removed, but have been told that no, it should stay.

I have never seen this volleyball court being used by anyone. Now within the past week have received two different complaints about its presence from CDS citizens. As CDS Chancellor I am responsible for acting on these complaints, and once again I contacted the owner of the volleyball court. She requested that before it be removed we have an open public discussion about it. So, I am glad Arias has brought this issue up in the forum, where we can talk about it as a community.

Personally, the umbrellas don't bother me. For one thing they are off to one side, for another they are much smaller than the volleyball court is. However, I can see what Arias is saying, that they are out of character with an ancient Roman theme, and I will contact their owner about them as well.

[Rose Springvale]

actually, that's not true at all. yesterday was the first time you asked me to remove it.

Locus Amoenus is roman themed, but not roleplay. I assure you there are games played in Rome. However, i picked up the volleyball net and requested that we have a meeting of the Roman themed sims cultural commission, whose jurisdiction this falls under. Volleyball is not a covenant issue, and public land is for ALL the public.

No meeting has ever been called of the roman themed sims, and i'm hereby formally requesting that the Chancellor appoint a new chair of this commission. I own land in both LA and CN, and have for a very long time. I disagree with this position and don't think it is appropriate for you to ask that things be removed without consulting the community. Those umbrellas and volleyball have been enjoyed by many people, who actually do spend time in these sims.

[Arias Ahren]

Rose: I had no idea who had placed any of the items on the beach. I had thought that since it was CDS land, it was CDS that had placed these things there. It would seem appropriate to rez items like this when they are to be used and to take them home when they are not used. My concern grew when I thought that I would be taking a horse train along the beach for the Faria celebrations. I wrote to CDS asking if they could be removed due to that. I had no idea that such a request would lead to dissension and controversy. I do feel that we should be reasonably mindful of existing covenants.

[Sonja Strom]

Rose, thank you for picking up the volleyball court. I for sure remember talking with you about this before, and am surprised you do not remember that. But, oh well. The past is in the past.

It was also not my intention for this to lead to dissension and controversy. The volleyball court can always be brought back if the community decides it is wanted for its public beach.

[Rose Springvale]

The volleyball court was placed on the beach in my capacity as deputy Chancellor for CDS to have a party. i was asked to leave it there. I am no longer a member of CDS government, and simply ask that the wishes of all citizens be considered before tearing down things you don't personally like. Some people in CDS enjoy parties, and this is the only beach we have in CDS.

Why would you have ever asked me to take it down Sonja? You don't live in LA, have no land that i know of in roman sims and have only been chancellor since February. What is your basis for representing that i'm uncooperative??

I have MANY items in CDS that were purchased (by me) and rezzed on behalf of the Community. Shall i just go take them all down now?

[Rose Springvale]

Arias,
I suppose an argument could be made that Feria tents are outside of the Al Andalus covenant, too. Or that we have no business bringing our 13th century theme into roman sims at all. So as chairperson, I am going to suggest that we suspend all "official" horse rides associated with Feria outside of the Al Andalus sims.

[Arias Ahren]

Rose: With the horse rides I had hoped to educate people about all of the wonderful things in the various AA and CDS sims. I realize the tents and many of the things that are currently in the plaza are not contemporaneous with 13th century Spain. I also realize this is a special occasion that justifies special considerations.

[Keila Forager]

If you want to start upholding the covenants as they are now written, I would guess that affects a majority of the citizens of CDS. I brought this up in an RA meeting and town hall meeting. Read the covenants as written , walk around and see how many are in violation. It's amazing.

[Arias Ahren]

I realize that many objects in the Alhambra/Granada complex are not contemporaneous with 13th century Spain, but much of it is. At least legitimate attempts have been made to keep it a reasonable facsimile of the original town. In my mind this is its attraction. I believe that exceptions should be made particularly during events such as Faria.

This has gone well beyond my original intent. I had volunteered to take people on a horseback tour of the complex and had intended to make a loop utilizing the beach in question. I thought that removing a few of the items that were on the beach would enhance the ascetics of LA. I had no idea that something so seemingly small would provoke controversy and hurt people’s feelings.

[Lilith Ivory]

I removed my beach umbrellas also.
In fact after selling my parcel in LA I would have preferred to take them with me, but several people asked me to leave them as they thought the beach would be nicer this way.
As most of our residents and visitors don´t have permission to rez their own items at the beach and take them back later we should at least give them some opportunities to spend their time there. - best after asking them about their wishes

Sure it´s nice to have a well build Sim that fits the covenant, but imao it´s more important to have a place where people feel at home and want to stay!

[Sonja Strom]

Why would you have ever asked me to take it down Sonja? You don't live in LA, have no land that i know of in roman sims and have only been chancellor since February. What is your basis for representing that i'm uncooperative??

I have MANY items in CDS that were purchased (by me) and rezzed on behalf of the Community. Shall i just go take them all down now?

Rose, for around two years I was a Caretaker for the CDS, what some people call a Land Manager. It was my duty to keep the CDS tidy. Quite often I sent IMs to people about things they had on public land, and communicated with them about it. In every case I did that, unless it was clear the objects were litter. In the case of your volleyball court, I left it there because you wanted it to stay there. I did not bring up this history to say in any way that you were uncooperative, but to say that there have been conversations about this volleyball court before now.

I have also not asked you to take away anything else. Actually, in my post I did not even say you should take down the volleyball court. What I did say was "I am glad Arias has brought this issue up in the forum, where we can talk about it as a community."

[Lilith Ivory]

I personally would have preferred Arias talking to me directly instead of bitching at the forum. But well, he is new in the CDS and still has to learn a lot.
Anyway I´m looking forward to have a regional commission meeting soon.

[Keila Forager]

I personally would have preferred Arias talking to me directly instead of bitching at the forum. But well, he is new in the CDS and still has to learn a lot.
Anyway I´m looking forward to have a regional commission meeting soon.

He has learned quickly Lilith, as it seems bitching on the forums is the way of the CDS. Or at least what I have observed (

[Arias Ahren]

Lilith: Had I known that you and Rose were the owners of these Items I would have talked to you both about them.

Yes, I am new and inexperienced and I will make mistakes. I wandered about these environs for a couple of months uttering very little, trying to get some sense of what was going on. I am fascinated by the things that I have discovered and wish to be a part of the community.

I am glad that the items are gone and believe that they were inappropriate and out of place for the environment. Somewhere in all of this Rose questioned whether I would also like for her to remove the tents and other items that have been placed in the Plaza for Faria. My answer is no. However if they were still there three months from now I might be prone to suggest that she remove them.

My disappointment and concern over this comes from the rather volatile reaction that my original post has caused. You would not think that a volleyball court and some beach items would lead to war. But, being the brilliant species that we are we have unfortunately fought devastating wars over less.