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In a recent post Rose insinuated that the only reason that all of the properties in Locus Amoneus and Colonia Nova were now occupied and in the case of Locus Amoneus revitalized was due to me using alts to buy and develop properties. There is not a shred of truth in this assertion. There are thirteen Aesths working together on a number of Projects in Second Life. I, Bags, Solario and Zanna are focusing our efforts on developing projects in CDS. The others are working elsewhere. I have an island on the mainland where I have built a home and it is for nothing more than R&R.

Is there a simple way that we can document the fact that we are real people working hard for the good of CDS and put to rest these unfounded allegations?

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I suggest you start by defining and explaining " Aesths." Over the years, as an RL land lawyer, I have seen efforts by religious groups to buy up and control rural communities and then commence to compel all citizens to hew to the religion or be banned from the area.

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Soro Dagostino wrote:

I suggest you start by defining and explaining " Aesths." Over the years, as an RL land lawyer, I have seen efforts by religious groups to buy up and control rural communities and then commence to compel all citizens to hew to the religion or be banned from the area.

As an Aesth, I am qualified to answer that. It means, I'm a friend of Arias - that is all. Historically, it was a mutual friend who originally brought Arias into Al Andalus. This mutual friend has been active in Second Life for a few years now and holds land on the mainland (he may have land now in CDS but I'm not sure). We originally met through an online writing workshop - so, unless writing is a religion (which it CAN be - laughing) - we pose no evangelical threat, except, perhaps, "write more!"

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Soro: About five months ago I was searching for a name for a group so that I might increase my mainland holding a bit without increasing my tier. I was thumbing through my Latin dictionary when I came across Aesth, which of course you know is the Latin base for aesthetics.

You say that you are an attorney. I must admit that I am a bit taken back and surprised, given your frequent and for the most part nonsensical cat calls from the back of the gallery. Someone had told me you were a seaman. When I was a young man I also went to sea and continued until I finally obtained my Captains license, unlimited tonnage. I then went to the University and ultimately matriculated with degrees in Medicine, General Surgery, Neurology and Neurosurgery. I retired from medicine seven years ago. Rose told me that you were a seaman and that you and I shared many common experience and ideals. perhaps that is true, but I can't stop and wonder.

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Bagheera wrote:
Soro Dagostino wrote:

I suggest you start by defining and explaining " Aesths." Over the years, as an RL land lawyer, I have seen efforts by religious groups to buy up and control rural communities and then commence to compel all citizens to hew to the religion or be banned from the area.

As an Aesth, I am qualified to answer that. It means, I'm a friend of Arias - that is all. Historically, it was a mutual friend who originally brought Arias into Al Andalus. This mutual friend has been active in Second Life for a few years now and holds land on the mainland (he may have land now in CDS but I'm not sure). We originally met through an online writing workshop - so, unless writing is a religion (which it CAN be - laughing) - we pose no evangelical threat, except, perhaps, "write more!"

You have disgusting taste in friends, Bagheera. How anyone could associate with the scum who posted the response below yours is beyond me. Arias is clearly beyond shame, but shame on you.

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Kaseido_Quandry wrote:
Soro Dagostino wrote:

I suggest you start by defining and explaining " Aesths." Over the years, as an RL land lawyer, I have seen efforts by religious groups to buy up and control rural communities and then commence to compel all citizens to hew to the religion or be banned from the area.

You have disgusting taste in friends, Bagheera. How anyone could associate with the scum who posted the response below yours is beyond me. Arias is clearly beyond shame, but shame on you.

MY! How quickly this is degenerating into a widening circle of personal attacks.

Soro, without any provocation or proof, insinuates that possibly Arias is planning a nefarious coup and that all his friends are mindless sycophants, which is pretty insulting -- a bit of flame bait if you ask me -- and Arias responded. I know, after many years participating in forums on the Internet, that flame bait such as Soro's is really, really hard to resist.

I also have experienced where the individuals who appeared the most sane initially on forums turned out to be the wildest nightmares.

I've had almost two years to get to know Arias outside of Second Life, and I am nowhere near ashamed to call him friend - and in fact, feel very lucky to have a friend so true, compassionate, and ethical. I hope you give yourself a chance to get to know the Arias that I know and not be so quick to judge someone from a few posts on an Internet forum, where passions get inflamed quickly and true natures are easy to hide. I hope you get to know me better too and don't expect you to trust my word on this now - but perhaps, someday.

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Kais: I have spent a lifetime helping others. I have built two small hospitals and an orphanage in the Sudan with mine and my extended families monies. For the past twenty six years I have donated half of my income to charities who either supported children, mostly in Africa or oppose nuclear proliferation. In my medical practice I never once sent anyone to collection for unpaid bills. My families businesses are organized as cooperatives where every employee is provided with housing, transportation, and the best medical coverage that we can possibly provide. And now you call me scum. What brings you to such debauchery? I suspect it is your profession. Scum is another word for worthless, although it is a bit more vulgar. Do you deem these activities as worthless?

I am also a bit mystified as to what got you so upset about my note. Long ago I complained to Rose about Soro's always brief and almost always nonsensical calls from the RA floor and his equally unfounded post here. At that time she encouraged me to go easy claiming that he was a good man. She went on to tell me that he was a seaman and due to my experience in captaining my families and others ships we could easily become friends. Large ships carry varying amounts of men and are divided into three departments. One of those is the engine department and one position in the engine department is a wiper. There are almost always three wipers assigned to every ship. The engine room is often referred to as the boiler room. So you leave me wondering about the assumptions that have led you to your antagonistic outburst.

You might want to note that I have received seven IM's praising me for my simple post. Are these people and Bags also scum? You did not say Bags was scum, but did say she has disgusting taste. Do you know anything about Bags, Kas? Rose once said to me, "you are an old age man and I am a new age woman." I replied, "Yes I am an old age man but you are not a new age woman. You are a Houston Attorney who can't get out of bed without insulting someone." Does this describe you as well? It certainly seems to have become the new American way. This kind of language and conduct was one of the reasons that I distanced myself from AA. That and the few possibilities for actual development in those sims made me want to move along. I have never once herd Pat, Arria, Sonja, Gwyneth, Pip and others resort to the kinds of outbursts and use the language that you used here. They are ladies and gentlemen and I am with them in heart and soul.

I want to remind everybody how all of this was set in motion. Robert made his post which for the most part seemed to be a rambling bunch of nonsense, condemning CDS and applauding AA and all the possibilities that wonder world held. I made my retort and expressed my opinion of AA. Not the political AA just my impression of the pixilated interface it presented me. I did not mention any people other than Robert. Rose retorted in essence, saying if you don’t like what you see, GET OUT. I know that this is exactly what all of us in CDS will be faced with under her leadership “My way or the highway." Creativity and enthusiasm for self actualization will be crushed.

I think people are growing tired of debasing vulgar language and people who offer little more they cries from the back of the room. CDS can prosper, and grow but not if individuation is not supported or allowed to flourish. Ville add-hominem attacks devoid of substance will only bring frustration and abandonment or anger and retaliation. I am subject to that as much as many, but I never carry it to the extremes of some. This is the first time that I have seen you revert to this kind of conduct and language. You can be very contentious but you are usually able to maintain a decent demeanor. I am truly sorry to see this. You can be much more than this and so can I.

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Guys....if you really want to have a fist fight, I'm sure none of us would mind if you took it out behind the shed. I certainly have no interest in watching you give each other bloody noses, and I'm guessing that I'm not alone.

If you need it in technical terms, what I'm suggesting is that you take any off-topic dispute you may have offline. You can insult each other and be offended by each other all you like via e-mail and never bother another soul.

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Cindy what I have said in my last post is directly related to the vitality of CDS. It is direct, civil, and germane and a truthful expression of what I know and deem to be of value to the membership of this community and these forums. What compels you to want to censure others? What makes you feel that you are equipped to make judgments that inhibit freedom of speech? What are your education and life experiences that qualify you to tell others what they can and can’t say? Do you not believe that attempting to constrain creativity and freedom of expression is dangerous, and should not be tolerated by the citizens of CDS?

If you read this thread carefully you will see that it started with an attempt to refute an unfounded allegation by asking a simple question. I was accused of using alts to purchase properties and thus misconstrue the growth and vitality of Locus Amoneus. Do you not feel that is a serious allegation? Do you feel that I have no right to rebut false and baseless charges rendered against me? Please tell me your thoughts on this Cindy. Do you believe that individuals who regularly make false allegations against their peers should be allowed to do so with impunity?

It is important that this community know something about the actual character of its representatives, particularly the Chancellor and LRA. Transparency should not be a term to allow individuals covert reign. Do you support deceit, Cindy, and do you have the will or ability to tell me specifically how what I have to say is not relevant to the health and the future of this community?

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I am posting this in red as a signifier of my position as a moderator on these forums.

Cool it with the personal attacks or you can both take a vacation from the boards. Attack ideas all you like, not people.

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Could you tell me where in my last post is a personal attack and I would like to ask you some of the same questions that I asked Cindy. I was accused of using alts to purchase properties and thus misconstrue the growth and vitality of Locus Amoneus. Do you not feel that is a serious allegation? Do you feel that I have no right to rebut false and baseless charges rendered against me?

It would seem to me that if a citizen of CDS cannot ask simple, germane questions without fear of ostracization then CDS is nothing more than a tyranny. If I am ostracized for what I am asking is there a mechanism within CDS for overturning the tyranny?

There are five individuals who have participated in this thread. Who are you referring to by your use of the word "both" and what brings you to making these distinctions?

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Arias Ahren wrote:

If you read this thread carefully you will see that it started with an attempt to refute an unfounded allegation by asking a simple question.

That's right, Arias, the thread DID start with a simple question. And it deteriorated quickly into personal attacks with your response to Soro's equally simple question.

How about we try again? Let's drop this fully corrupted thread and you can re-post your original question in a new thread. Let's find out who's really interested in addressing issues rather than spluttering about perceived attacks against themselves when no such attacks were meant. And perhaps we can avoid putting words into other people's mouths too. Of all the verbal attack mechanisms I know, that one's the most insidious...and frequently used in these forums.

I am sure we can do much better.

Cindy

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