NG Board Meeting 10 August 2010 - Transcript

[Moon Adamant]

[14:15] Moon Adamant: ok, everyone, it's 2.15 PM
[14:15] Moon Adamant: so i am starting the meeting
[14:16] Pip Torok: ha .... sitting at last!
[14:16] Moon Adamant: please remember that the meeting will be transcripted from now on
[14:16] Moon Adamant: and that the transcript will be published on the nG forum
[14:16] Moon Adamant: agenda is on the green box
[14:16] Moon Adamant: ok... *pulls the agenda*
[14:16] Moon Adamant: ah, point 1 is simple
[14:17] Moon Adamant: 1. AM re-parcelling of plot AH2
[14:17] Moon Adamant: ok
[14:17] Moon Adamant: from my info, this plot needs to be parcelled down
[14:17] Moon Adamant: not only it is too big and difficult to sell
[14:17] Moon Adamant: as also there is some need for prim plots
[14:18] Moon Adamant: now... the citizens that were here when we planned AM will remember
[14:18] Moon Adamant: that AM has a principle of area assignment to parcels
[14:18] Moon Adamant: hey Arria
[14:18] Rosie Gray: hi Arria
[14:18] Arria Perreault: Hi Moon
[14:18] Arria Perreault: Hi Sudane
[14:18] Pip Torok: hi Arria
[14:18] Arria Perreault: Hi Rosie
[14:18] Sudane Erato:
[14:18] Moon Adamant: the plots have half the area of the ones next in size
[14:19] Pip Torok: "area assignment to parcels"? ...
[14:19] Moon Adamant: so 1a=2b=4c=8d
[14:19] Pip Torok: ah
[14:19] Rosie Gray nods
[14:19] Moon Adamant: so... i published my suggestion to cut the plot AH2 in two, to make 2 B plots
[14:20] Moon Adamant: you saw the image?
[14:20] Keila Forager: Yes
[14:20] Sudane Erato: yes
[14:20] Rosie Gray: yes
[14:20] Pip Torok: no ...
[14:20] Moon Adamant: oh
[14:20] Rose Springvale: i'll get the link
[14:20] Pip Torok: tks
[14:20] Moon Adamant: https://docs.google.com/present/view?id ... nterval=60
[14:20] Rose Springvale: or not
[14:21] Moon Adamant: so... I'd like to ask if there are other suggestions
[14:21] Rose Springvale: Moon, i think the concept is good, but how does it work with the terraing?
[14:21] Moon Adamant: hi Delia
[14:21] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[14:21] Sudane Erato: hi half-here
[14:21] Moon Adamant: well, the terrain there is on the flatest area of the sim
[14:22] Rose Springvale: kk
[14:22] Moon Adamant: even if you keep the two plots available for houses
[14:22] Delia Lake: hi
[14:22] Moon Adamant: they both have access by road
[14:22] Keila Forager: Hi Delia
[14:22] Rosie Gray: hello Delia
[14:22] Moon Adamant: ah, mind also that the prim plot (which i am suggesting is new BH5)
[14:22] Moon Adamant: can be further subdivided
[14:23] Moon Adamant: but i don't have info on the desired size of prim plots
[14:23] Moon Adamant: not sure if Sudane has?
[14:24] Rose Springvale: i think there are at least two people who are looking for more prims. but there is other land for sale in Am too
[14:24] Moon Adamant: ok
[14:24] Moon Adamant: should we leave teh decision to parcel further to the Executive then?
[14:24] Rose Springvale: my concern is that once we designate land as prim land, it can't be used to build on
[14:24] Moon Adamant: what do you guys think?
[14:25] Rose Springvale: if we just sell it as land, its up to the purchaser to decide
[14:25] Rosie Gray: do you put a bit of landscaping on a prim plot though?
[14:25] Pip Torok: I notice that the layout wont encourage the use as prim plots necessarily
[14:25] Rose Springvale: though.. i don't think we charge for prim parcels, just increase tier
[14:25] Moon Adamant: i know, but i know that this was discussed at the RA and that the RA expressed the wish to have the NG thinking about this
[14:25] Arria Perreault: can we subdivise B5 in several plots?
[14:25] Rose Springvale: it came from the finance commission as a way to get the land sold
[14:25] Arria Perreault: for prims
[14:26] Sudane Erato: we always HAVE charged for prim parcels... just like normal parcels
[14:26] Rose Springvale: oh!
[14:26] Rose Springvale: okay, i thought only tier
[14:26] Rose Springvale: what is the sales price?
[14:26] Sudane Erato: but everything can change
[14:26] Moon Adamant: yes, Arria, we can - into 2 C plots or 4 D plots - i really recommend that the principle of parcelling keeps being followed
[14:26] Keila Forager: If BH is to be used for prim plots it should be subdivided more I would think
[14:26] Pip Torok: agree
[14:26] Keila Forager: BH5
[14:26] Sudane Erato: same as normal parcels... at least in NFS and CN where there ARE prim parcels
[14:26] Rosie Gray: I agree with Keila about that
[14:26] Pip Torok: (agree with Moon that is
[14:27] Rosie Gray: makes it more flexible
[14:27] Moon Adamant: I tend to agree too
[14:27] Rose Springvale: k
[14:27] Moon Adamant: hmmm
[14:27] Arria Perreault: A B parcel is $10,485
[14:27] Arria Perreault: L$/month
[14:27] Moon Adamant: so let's do this
[14:27] Moon Adamant: we can recommend that the Executive parcels it in C plots at least
[14:27] Moon Adamant: do you agree?
[14:27] Sudane Erato: sure
[14:28] Rose Springvale: i agree but...
[14:28] Rose Springvale: i think we should not limit them to prim parcels
[14:28] Moon Adamant: (and if you agree, i can refresh the drawing later)
[14:28] Rose Springvale: if someone wanted to put up a fachwerk, they can't
[14:28] Moon Adamant: hm
[14:28] Sudane Erato: my sense was that the original request was for 4 parcels
[14:28] Moon Adamant: mind that if you parcel into Cs
[14:28] Rosie Gray: what is it zoned for there?
[14:28] Keila Forager: then parcel them into four C plots..
[14:28] Moon Adamant: then 2 plots won't have road access
[14:28] Rose Springvale: ah
[14:29] Pip Torok: i think we need to "step back" and think do we need the prim-farm or do we need to subdivide in order to sell them?
[14:29] Moon Adamant: but i am perfectly agreeable that on the two with road access
[14:29] Keila Forager: can you make them long and narrow and same sqm?
[14:29] Sudane Erato: Moon... only one, the NW corner
[14:29] Delia Lake: that would really limit usability
[14:29] Rose Springvale: how about a b, a c and two d's?
[14:29] Moon Adamant: Keila, issue is that the AM covenants have limitations on building to the limits of the parcels
[14:29] Moon Adamant: that can work as well
[14:29] Arria Perreault: 4 parcels, 3 for prims and one for building
[14:30] Pip Torok: speaking for AMUA we arent desperate for new prims (for now!:)
[14:30] Rose Springvale: its a double prim sim though
[14:30] Moon Adamant: so i am afraid taht if we create long strips, teh owners will have issues with those limits
[14:30] Keila Forager: True..
[14:30] Pip Torok: agree, Moon
[14:31] Sudane Erato: i think there is no need for long strips
[14:31] Sudane Erato: if we split it into 4, only one will have no road access
[14:31] Sudane Erato: and that can be reserved for prims
[14:31] Keila Forager: Divide into 4C plots and the north west corner could be prim and the others to build on,,
[14:31] Pip Torok: one issue Moon ... you know that building on a slope has its own problems ....
[14:31] Moon Adamant: yes, but this is the flattest bit, mind
[14:31] Keila Forager: then all have road access if I'm looking at the diagram correctly
[14:32] Pip Torok: either 1 .. you need to dig into the slope to make a flat area
[14:32] Sudane Erato: lol Pip... in RL almost everything is built on a slope
[14:32] Keila Forager: larger base and sink it into the ground
[14:32] Rosie Gray: I think a slope offers interesting possibilities
[14:32] Keila Forager: yes, me too Rosie
[14:32] Delia Lake: you just need a foundation with deep sides
[14:32] Pip Torok: or 2 ... the building sticks out like a sore thiumb on a flat artificial base ...
[14:32] Rose Springvale: i like the proposal of three parcels and on prim
[14:32] Rose Springvale: one for prims
[14:32] Moon Adamant: sorry... the prim plot(s) will be the ones bordering CN, so BH6 and not BH5
[14:32] Sudane Erato: the build should adhere to the terrain
[14:33] Moon Adamant: ok...
[14:33] Sudane Erato: not necessarily all on one level
[14:33] Rose Springvale: because smaller parces can be used for prims without being limited to it
[14:33] Moon Adamant: one question that may help us to decide this
[14:33] Rose Springvale: they just have to have vegetation, right?
[14:33] Moon Adamant: atm
[14:33] Moon Adamant: you're telling me we have free plots
[14:33] Moon Adamant: which size of plots aren't selling so well?
[14:33] Pip Torok: so the problem arises ... HO does the terraforming?
[14:33] Pip Torok: WHO
[14:34] Rose Springvale: moon ... there are three d parcels and one A parcel for sale right now
[14:34] Rose Springvale: i don't think it is the land, but the price, but that's just my opinion
[14:34] Moon Adamant: Pip, the Executive, so Rudeen
[14:34] Rosie Gray: I think so too Rose
[14:34] Pip Torok: ah ...
[14:34] Keila Forager: That is the reason I think too Rose...it's way too expensive
[14:34] Rose Springvale: exec is sonja, she means estate owner, so rudeen
[14:34] Moon Adamant: ok, so dividing into C seems sensible?
[14:34] Sudane Erato: we can always re-price them... the ones owned by the community
[14:35] Keila Forager: I think so Moon
[14:35] Rose Springvale: i agree, C's
[14:35] Moon Adamant: ok... let me propose this
[14:35] Rosie Gray: better to reprice them for todays market too
[14:35] Rosie Gray: in my opinion
[14:35] Keila Forager:
[14:35] Pip Torok: when Valus and I built Arpar del Pip ... we had the perms to do the terraforming ourselves (but that was then and this is now)
[14:35] Moon Adamant: that we recommend C, with a note that the non-acessible plot can be further divided into Ds, if need B
[14:36] Moon Adamant: now... do you all agree that we make this recommendation?
[14:36] Rosie Gray: I agree
[14:36] Sudane Erato: sure
[14:36] Pip Torok: yes
[14:36] Keila Forager: I do
[14:36] Moon Adamant: Rose, Delia, Arria?
[14:36] Delia Lake: yes
[14:36] Rose Springvale: oh, i already said. yes
[14:36] Sudane Erato: and if someone has a number for what they feel "this market" is... please suggest it
[14:37] Moon Adamant: oh sorry, some lag
[14:37] Moon Adamant: hmmm Arria is away
[14:37] Rose Springvale: jamie just sold a B parcel for 6k i think
[14:37] Moon Adamant: i vote yes too
[14:37] Rosie Gray: I thin kthere are some stats on the LL wiki, Sudane
[14:37] Moon Adamant: motion is passed, we'll record Arria's vote later
[14:37] Rosie Gray: not sure where though
[14:37] Keila Forager: and how big is a b parcel
[14:37] Sudane Erato: i have no idea what people think the price should be... we have only the original rate
[14:37] Moon Adamant: ok
[14:37] Moon Adamant: i'll have to think later
[14:37] Rosie Gray: I'll see if I can find the stats
[14:38] Sudane Erato: great
[14:38] Moon Adamant: if we will need to add a clause about prim plots to the covenants
[14:38] Moon Adamant: but as i haven't read taht covenant in a couple of years, i will need to read it again
[14:38] Keila Forager: I don't know about AM convanents but NFS are so out of date
[14:38] Rose Springvale: smiles.
[14:38] Moon Adamant: they're very old
[14:38] Rose Springvale: posted a thread on the forums. please comment!
[14:38] Keila Forager: and incorrect
[14:39] Pip Torok: but very important imo ....
[14:39] Moon Adamant: atm, i have no idea how do they apply, and if they still apply
[14:39] Keila Forager: but that's another subject
[14:39] Keila Forager:
[14:39] Rose Springvale: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2916
[14:39] Moon Adamant: i think though that RA must ask us to review them
[14:39] Moon Adamant: or teh Executive... not sure whom
[14:39] Moon Adamant: which*
[14:39] Rose Springvale: exec
[14:40] Rose Springvale: and remember i started that ... two years ago lol
[14:40] Moon Adamant: lol
[14:40] Rose Springvale: the google docs aer still there
[14:40] Moon Adamant: well, these things take time
[14:40] Rose Springvale: smiles
[14:40] Moon Adamant: ok
[14:40] Moon Adamant: passing to other things which are taking time too )
[14:40] Moon Adamant: point 2
[14:41] Moon Adamant: work-groups
[14:41] Moon Adamant: ok, last eeting we decided to reawake the work-group model
[14:41] Moon Adamant: to take care of several pending tasks
[14:41] Moon Adamant: we pointed down 4 tasks
[14:42] Moon Adamant: Schloss
[14:42] Moon Adamant: GMP
[14:42] Moon Adamant: Fachwerk
[14:42] Moon Adamant: Fundraising
[14:42] Moon Adamant: maybe i'll start from end, because fundraising is simpler
[14:42] Rose Springvale: ha
[14:42] Rose Springvale: easy for you to say!
[14:42] Rosie Gray: lol
[14:43] Moon Adamant: i do _incredible_difficult works of art for them
[14:43] Arria Perreault: just tell us how you need
[14:43] Arria Perreault: how much*
[14:43] Rose Springvale: oh. hmm
[14:43] Moon Adamant: well, I myself can't organize a party of drunkards in a pub
[14:43] Rose Springvale: i think arria is suggesting we solicit donations instead of a party or event?
[14:43] Keila Forager: that's easy..just give them beer
[14:43] Moon Adamant: that's why i am looking forward to a work-group on this
[14:44] Rose Springvale: i'm happy to chair the group moon, would like to have input from others for it. we can do another auction, or something new
[14:44] Moon Adamant: well... i think donations come quicer at a party
[14:44] Moon Adamant: quicker*
[14:44] Moon Adamant: after all, everyone knows we accept donatioons
[14:44] Keila Forager: Most successful fundraisers come from an event of some kind
[14:44] Rose Springvale: we could have a bachelor auction and see what we can get for pip
[14:44] Moon Adamant: oooh, we'd be rich then - great idea!
[14:44] Rosie Gray: why do we need fundraising right now?
[14:44] Moon Adamant: ah rosie
[14:44] Keila Forager: Events that are well publized too
[14:44] Pip Torok: would look forward to it but check my profile!!!
[14:45] Rose Springvale: we pay tier on this land and on the villa i think
[14:45] Rosie Gray: I thought there is a huge reserve
[14:45] Moon Adamant: the Guild owns this parcel
[14:45] Keila Forager: and what is the fundraising for?
[14:45] Rose Springvale: oh my
[14:45] Delia Lake: lol, are you you a bachelor, Pip?
[14:45] Rose Springvale: when did that happen??
[14:45] Pip Torok: no longer !
[14:45] Moon Adamant: hm, the CDS has a huge reserve, but our finances are independent from the CDS
[14:45] Keila Forager: Nah, he has a partner..says so in his profile
[14:45] Arria Perreault: we are a NGO
[14:45] Sudane Erato: the New Guild is down to having only one month's tier
[14:45] Moon Adamant: we are tenants here like everyone else
[14:45] Pip Torok: 3-4 wee3k ago
[14:45] Rose Springvale: but its NAFTALI!
[14:45] Rose Springvale: i demand a wedding!
[14:45] Moon Adamant:
[14:45] Keila Forager: OK..what about holding classes
[14:45] Pip Torok: surprise surprise
[14:45] Rosie Gray: ah okay
[14:45] Moon Adamant: Keila, that's a tough issue
[14:45] Arria Perreault: .-9
[14:46] Delia Lake: we need a public wedding celebration!!!
[14:46] Rose Springvale: Keila, we've done a pretty fun auction in the past,
[14:46] Rosie Gray: for this school property?
[14:46] Moon Adamant: the Guild has another organ, calle dthe Faculty
[14:46] Pip Torok: were working on a party (at least I am!)
[14:46] Rose Springvale: smiels
[14:46] Arria Perreault: great!
[14:46] Delia Lake: who pays the tier for this land, Moon? Sudane?
[14:46] Moon Adamant: one of Faculty's things is justly so providing formation
[14:46] Rosie Gray: yes what about classes? I think people usually donate for those
[14:46] Rose Springvale: we've raised the tier before with sales
[14:46] Moon Adamant: but it's very hard to get an ongoing schedule
[14:46] Keila Forager: Yes Rosie always..
[14:46] Rose Springvale: smiles. maybe we should send it to the wg?
[14:47] Moon Adamant: Delia, this land is paid through Guild's accoiunt avatar
[14:47] Keila Forager: You need a bunch of people willing to teach at different times..
[14:47] Moon Adamant: yes, and it's hard to get them
[14:47] Arria Perreault: anyway I have a lot of things in my inventory for an auction ...
[14:47] Keila Forager: there are so many fewer building classes than there used to be
[14:47] Delia Lake: so how does that acct get money?
[14:47] Moon Adamant: also, what has happened when we made classes is that nobody showed up
[14:47] Arria Perreault: old dresses ...
[14:47] Rosie Gray: that's true Keila
[14:47] Moon Adamant: well, delia
[14:47] Rose Springvale: we raised 30000 L from the last one
[14:47] Delia Lake: i know how MoCAso gets money. he has his hand in my purse
[14:47] Moon Adamant: that account gets money mainly though fundraising events
[14:48] Rosie Gray: ah nobody showed up, well that's another whole issue
[14:48] Arria Perreault: same for the Monastery
[14:48] Sudane Erato: Delia, the account has gotten money thru both donations and the fees received from the community for building things
[14:48] Keila Forager: Yes totally another issue Rosie..
[14:48] Delia Lake: ok
[14:48] Moon Adamant: and also, some Guild members donate their work in Guil projects, accepting a token payment and giving the rest to the guild
[14:48] Rose Springvale: CDS New Guild Auction Report 2008:

-78 Items donated (approximately) grouped to make 46 bid boxes
-17 different donors, all but 2 CDS citizens.
-21 different people won bids
-20 cash donors (approximately)

Sales: $ 20635 (subject to collection)
Donations: $ 9660

Total: $ 30295
[14:48] Delia Lake: for example?
[14:48] Sudane Erato: Moon, even if they don't donate... a portion still goes to the Guild
[14:49] Moon Adamant: yes, that too... but the bulk comes through the entire donations
[14:49] Moon Adamant: i would say
[14:49] Sudane Erato: yes
[14:49] Moon Adamant: so...
[14:49] Arria Perreault: maybe the Guild can get money for the work we do for CDS, like this reparcelling
[14:49] Moon Adamant: as we are reaching the limit of our piggybank now
[14:49] Moon Adamant: we need to raise some funds
[14:50] Moon Adamant: hmmm, I don't know what to charge on this
[14:50] Rosie Gray: maybe CDS would consider an ongoing grant
[14:50] Sudane Erato: yeah, reparceling doesn't take any real work
[14:50] Moon Adamant: i mean... this is a doodle and 15 mins discussion... we generally sell project and contents to the CDS
[14:50] Keila Forager: reparceling is easy
[14:50] Arria Perreault: thinking is not real work ?
[14:51] Delia Lake: so for instance, when we rebuild the Schloss, there could maybe be a Torok ballroom that Pip and Naf might donate for?
[14:51] Rose Springvale: we are an ngo, this is what we are here for. i'd not want to charge for all of that...
[14:51] Moon Adamant: eheheh can I quote you to my clients? .)
[14:51] Delia Lake: and a Springvale garden terrace?
[14:51] Rose Springvale: noooo
[14:51] Rose Springvale: lol
[14:51] Moon Adamant: that's an interesting suggestion Delia
[14:51] Delia Lake: like that perhaps?
[14:51] Keila Forager: a Rose Garden
[14:51] Keila Forager:
[14:52] Rose Springvale: we've always used naming as a way to honor contribution
[14:52] Moon Adamant: i think the Exec would need to comment on that
[14:52] Pip Torok: well we may have something right now ... check the neighborhoof of the Old Bowl but 600 mtres higher
[14:52] Rose Springvale: i don't like the idea of buying it
[14:52] Delia Lake: just grabbing names not asigning sponsorships
[14:52] Moon Adamant: yes, Rose is right when she quotes the tradition there
[14:52] Moon Adamant: like the NFS streets being named after the founders
[14:52] Moon Adamant: or the park after Kendra
[14:53] Moon Adamant: still, if teh Exec would like to consider it
[14:53] Moon Adamant: it's possible
[14:53] Moon Adamant: ok, but back on track
[14:53] Moon Adamant: ok Rose
[14:53] Keila Forager: I think the best bet is an event/ auction
[14:53] Moon Adamant: it has worked very well in the past, Keila
[14:53] Arria Perreault: yes (my inventory agrees)
[14:53] Keila Forager: or even ongoing vendors, like at RFL
[14:54] Moon Adamant: can't remember if we ever tried that
[14:54] Moon Adamant: at Oktoberfest, for xample
[14:54] Rosie Gray: I don't know how ongoing vendors will make much difference, since nobody sells anything here anyway
[14:54] Moon Adamant: lol
[14:54] Moon Adamant: sad but true
[14:54] Delia Lake: ongoing vendors that every once in a while gave up a goodie/prize?
[14:54] Keila Forager: all the money from the vendor regardless of who owns it, goes to one account
[14:54] Keila Forager: Well, that's a whole other issue Rosie
[14:54] Rose Springvale: how much tier do we need to raise? does NG pay for Villa too or does jon?
[14:55] Moon Adamant: Jon does
[14:55] Rosie Gray: yes, just saying I don't think it would raise any money
[14:55] Moon Adamant: ok...
[14:55] Rose Springvale: so only the school, or would we like to change that?
[14:55] Moon Adamant: i was checking
[14:55] Keila Forager: Not if we just let them sit there with out advertising etc
[14:55] Moon Adamant: hm, for teh moment, i'd keep school going
[14:55] Sudane Erato: its about 2200/month, and no, we pay only for this parcel we are on now
[14:55] Moon Adamant: would need to talk to Jon regarding that
[14:56] Rose Springvale: so about 30k would pay a year
[14:56] Moon Adamant: yes
[14:56] Sudane Erato: yes
[14:56] Moon Adamant: Rose
[14:56] Moon Adamant: seeing you were the only one volunteering for this wg at the fourms
[14:56] Rose Springvale: ha! NOW you hear me
[14:56] Moon Adamant: (i ask now if someone else would like to volunteer for it too)
[14:57] Moon Adamant: i'd ask you to lead this work-group
[14:57] Moon Adamant: also becaus eof past experience
[14:57] Rose Springvale: i'm happy to
[14:57] Moon Adamant: ok... does anyone disagree?
[14:57] Keila Forager: No..
[14:57] Rose Springvale: you are here
[14:58] Moon Adamant: test test
[14:58] Moon Adamant: ok... lag spikes
[14:58] Arria Perreault: fine for me
[14:58] Moon Adamant: uhoh
[14:58] Sudane Erato: yep
[14:58] Keila Forager: I answered
[14:58] Moon Adamant: ok... then Rose for this
[14:58] Moon Adamant: she may need help
[14:58] Delia Lake: hi Gwyn
[14:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn grins @ Keila
[14:58] Arria Perreault: Hi Gwyn
[14:58] Rose Springvale: WILL need help
[14:58] Moon Adamant: oh Gwyn is ideal for helping there
[14:58] Rose Springvale: you are pip
[14:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi all
[14:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I am?
[14:58] Pip Torok: (seems I am)
[14:58] Keila Forager: You will Rose??? ehehe
[14:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
[14:58] Moon Adamant: she can sell kisses like at past events;)
[14:58] Rose Springvale: auction Gwyn
[14:58] Keila Forager: Hi Gwun
[14:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol !
[14:59] Rose Springvale: smiles. gwyn!
[14:59] Keila Forager: Gwyn
[14:59] Rose Springvale: she never shows up!
[14:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I scared everybody away last time!
[14:59] Moon Adamant: she's shy
[14:59] Rose Springvale: they paid us to not kiss you last time lol
[14:59] Pip Torok: dear me, am I here?
[14:59] Pip Torok: now now
[14:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: exactly! haha
[14:59] Moon Adamant: you are Pip
[14:59] Moon Adamant: ok, in any case

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[Moon Adamant]

[15:00] Moon Adamant: and if teh wg decides to do an auction
[15:00] Moon Adamant: it's custom that people donate items
[15:00] Rose Springvale: i'll send out a note on specifics if we do that. please dont' start dropping inventory on me!
[15:00] Delia Lake: i could donate items if we do that
[15:00] Moon Adamant: so you can help the WG that way too
[15:00] Rose Springvale: GWYN
[15:01] Moon Adamant: ok
[15:01] Moon Adamant: this one is settled
[15:01] Moon Adamant: hmmm, let me see
[15:01] Moon Adamant: ok, Fachwerk
[15:01] Moon Adamant: ok...
[15:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: what? what?
[15:01] Moon Adamant: we do have a need for fachwerk
[15:02] Moon Adamant: for this sim and AM, and future sims within theme
[15:02] Keila Forager: What sizes?
[15:02] Keila Forager: And number of prims..
[15:02] Rosie Gray: I've made a new one for my plot that is for sale
[15:02] Moon Adamant: (also, we generally need other content as well too, like stuff for Oktoberfest,etc)
[15:02] Keila Forager: that is nice Rosie
[15:02] Moon Adamant: ah, that depends
[15:02] Moon Adamant: you see
[15:02] Delia Lake: small size for here. i saw that Rosie. that's good
[15:02] Moon Adamant: the plots within NFS city are tiny
[15:02] Keila Forager: I still have most I did for the decorating last year
[15:03] Rosie Gray: only 17 prims, including the door
[15:03] Pip Torok: is the fachwerk for sale Rosie or just the plot?
[15:03] Rosie Gray: and a light fixture
[15:03] Rosie Gray:
[15:03] Delia Lake: the facherwerk
[15:03] Keila Forager: She's not selling..hehe ..she just got here?
[15:03] Rosie Gray: not the plot
[15:03] Rosie Gray: the building is
[15:03] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[15:03] Pip Torok: ah
[15:03] Moon Adamant: but we may need some bigger ones if we expand the alpine themes
[15:03] Moon Adamant: so
[15:03] Rosie Gray: $200L only, specialf price for you my friend
[15:03] Moon Adamant: i have a problem here
[15:03] Moon Adamant: which is
[15:03] Rosie Gray grins
[15:03] Pip Torok: )
[15:03] Keila Forager: Awesome price
[15:04] Moon Adamant: i have no idea whatsoever
[15:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's cheap, Rosie!
[15:04] Moon Adamant: what would be the best model for working on this
[15:04] Delia Lake: take a look at Rosie's house on the V of ulrikastrasse. it looks very nice
[15:04] Rosie Gray: thank you Delia
[15:04] Rose Springvale: on fachwerk wg?
[15:04] Keila Forager: I think first we need some specifications..
[15:04] Keila Forager: on size , prims
[15:04] Moon Adamant: because i don't sell content, so i wouldn't like to propose something that would be disagreeable for content sellers
[15:04] Moon Adamant: yes
[15:04] Rose Springvale: maybe if we did a contest like the texture one?
[15:05] Moon Adamant: hmmm let me marshall my thoughts
[15:05] Rosie Gray: shouldn't there be a few different designs, for variety?
[15:05] Keila Forager: because I could build a low prim one, but it wouldn't fit on a plot you had
[15:05] Moon Adamant: i agree with Rosie
[15:05] Moon Adamant: we need diversity
[15:05] Moon Adamant: so
[15:05] Rose Springvale imagines moon's thoughts all marching in rows
[15:05] Moon Adamant: eheheh in 3D )
[15:05] Keila Forager: Problaby Rosie , as I wouldn't design or build something like you, or use the same textures
[15:05] Delia Lake: well, yes textures are important. also here on NFS low prim is important. other wise we have houses that take up the entire prim and stand there empty, looking abandoned
[15:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn is quite sure that Moon has a tidy brain
[15:06] Moon Adamant: ok
[15:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: indeed, Delia, i'm guilty as charged
[15:06] Moon Adamant: i would ask this wg to focus on two things for now
[15:06] Moon Adamant: fachwerken for NFS - specifically to fit the city plots
[15:06] Delia Lake: AM could have cottages and larger houses both
[15:06] Moon Adamant: and to discuss how to make them available
[15:07] Rose Springvale thinks if we have some variety, we could loosen the covenant on AM D parcels and not have to replace so many
[15:07] Delia Lake: nice to have a variety of colors available too
[15:07] Moon Adamant: if they would be an order from the CDS, which would pay to have a copy of the builds
[15:07] Rosie Gray: yes it would all look more natural that way
[15:07] Moon Adamant: at least for placeholders
[15:07] Delia Lake: the rl model towns have a number of colors of stucco
[15:08] Moon Adamant: or if you would prefer to sell them normally, selling a special copy to the CDS that would allows us to set placeholders
[15:08] Moon Adamant: makes sense?
[15:08] Rose Springvale: i like that idea
[15:08] Rose Springvale: yes
[15:08] Keila Forager: yes
[15:08] Rosie Gray: I like that idea too
[15:08] Moon Adamant: the wg may need to have a look at the Guild contract
[15:08] Moon Adamant: it may help with the legalese
[15:09] Moon Adamant: ok... let me see wjho's on this wg
[15:09] Delia Lake: also maybe ones that have store that looks like store on the bottom and upper story living quarters?
[15:09] Pip Torok: must go folks (feeling tired)
[15:09] Keila Forager: Good night Pip
[15:09] Arria Perreault: bye bye Pip
[15:09] Rose Springvale: night pip, and congratulations!
[15:09] Pip Torok:
[15:09] Delia Lake: good night Pip
[15:09] Rosie Gray: g'night Pip
[15:09] Pip Torok: ))
[15:09] Moon Adamant: Rosie... you're the only person on this wg so far
[15:09] Rosie Gray: oh yes congratulations
[15:09] Moon Adamant: night Pip
[15:09] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[15:10] Rose Springvale: pushes keila onto it
[15:10] Rosie Gray: am I?
[15:10] Delia Lake: i'll help on this one
[15:10] Moon Adamant: unless keila wants to join too?
[15:10] Rosie Gray: yeah come on Keila
[15:10] Moon Adamant: well, you're the only one who answered the forums
[15:10] Rose Springvale: smiles. only half of cds is signed up though on the forums
[15:10] Rosie Gray: right I guess
[15:10] Delia Lake: i need to build a new cottage anyway
[15:10] Delia Lake: so add me to this wg
[15:10] Moon Adamant: ok, so i would suggest this:
[15:10] Moon Adamant: ok, thanks Delia
[15:11] Keila Forager: sorry..stepped away..
[15:11] Moon Adamant: seeing that we have three people already
[15:11] Moon Adamant: you're free to organize yourselves
[15:11] Keila Forager smiles..
[15:11] Rose Springvale: its okay, we volunteered you
[15:11] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[15:11] Keila Forager: That's ok, I love building
[15:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn grins
[15:11] Moon Adamant: just decide later on how to give me feedback .)
[15:12] Moon Adamant: that ok?
[15:12] Rosie Gray: that's a perfect number
[15:12] Rosie Gray: makes sense to me
[15:12] Moon Adamant: ah, thanks Rosie!
[15:12] Rosie Gray: thank you Moon
[15:12] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[15:12] Moon Adamant: ok... if all agree, we can pass to hmmm
[15:12] Moon Adamant: GMP
[15:12] Moon Adamant: or Schloss
[15:13] Moon Adamant: dunno what will be worse
[15:13] Rose Springvale: smiles
[15:13] Rose Springvale: gmp
[15:13] Rosie Gray: and thank you delia
[15:13] Rose Springvale: so do schloss
[15:13] Moon Adamant: maybe Schloss is less technical
[15:13] Moon Adamant: ok
[15:13] Arria Perreault: I have put my name
[15:13] Moon Adamant: Schloss
[15:13] Delia Lake: i put myself on the Schloss group already
[15:13] Moon Adamant: ok, i saw that
[15:13] Arria Perreault: for GMP
[15:13] Rose Springvale: is everyone on the google doc too?
[15:13] Rose Springvale: for schloss?
[15:13] Rosie Gray: the google doc?
[15:13] Delia Lake: yes
[15:13] Arria Perreault: on the forum
[15:13] Moon Adamant: Rosie isn't
[15:13] Rose Springvale: need an email address, and will add you rosie
[15:14] Rosie Gray: ah okay
[15:14] Arria Perreault: do you have the link?
[15:14] Rosie Gray: [email protected]
[15:14] Rose Springvale: we've been kicking this around a bit
[15:14] Moon Adamant: Rosie, if you send me your mail by IM, i'll invite you to the Schloss discussion document
[15:14] Keila Forager: me either as I don't even know what it is..LOL
[15:14] Moon Adamant: oh, hanks... just a sec, guys
[15:14] Rose Springvale: okay, moon can do it
[15:14] Rose Springvale: keila, she needs email address to share
[15:15] Rosie Gray: sounds like it's a document we need to see
[15:15] Rosie Gray: lol
[15:15] Keila Forager: probably
[15:15] Rose Springvale: its a google doc we started quite a while ago to discuss various issues.. you'll see
[15:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn was looking for it as well and not finding it
[15:15] Rose Springvale: all re schloss
[15:15] Rose Springvale: i have it,
[15:15] Rose Springvale: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AaT3 ... Zmeg&hl=en
[15:16] Rosie Gray: thanks
[15:16] Rosie Gray: wooo
[15:16] Rosie Gray eyes all the colourful text
[15:16] Moon Adamant: ok Rosie, it's shared with you too now, you'll get an email
[15:17] Rosie Gray: looking at it right now Moon
[15:17] Moon Adamant: trying to share the presentation with the reference images
[15:17] Moon Adamant: just a sec more
[15:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Rose
[15:17] Rose Springvale: smiles.
[15:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: although I have no access lol
[15:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm not importamnt anyway!
[15:17] Rose Springvale: oh, really? easy to add gwyn, you just have to tell the boss!
[15:17] Moon Adamant: ok... some issues at Google... Rosie, please try and see if this link works
[15:17] Moon Adamant: https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id ... hmeA&hl=en
[15:17] Rosie Gray: looking
[15:18] Rosie Gray: yes I can see it
[15:18] Moon Adamant: ok great
[15:18] Rose Springvale: maybe we should consider just making it public someday
[15:18] Rose Springvale: add gwyn too moon lol
[15:18] Rosie Gray: top state secrets!
[15:18] Moon Adamant: everyone, the last link is the collection of reference images, if you haven't seen them yet
[15:19] Moon Adamant: oh, i am hoping that the wg will start making parts of it public lol
[15:19] Moon Adamant: ok
[15:19] Moon Adamant: tasks for this wg
[15:19] Rosie Gray: so this is the town that NFS is based on?
[15:19] Rosie Gray: Burg Nuernberg
[15:19] Moon Adamant: you'll see that the doc is divided in 4 sections
[15:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Technically, mmh, ROthenburg
[15:19] Moon Adamant: hmm, Rothenburg, actually
[15:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, loosely inspired.
[15:20] Moon Adamant: you have a whole set on Rothenburg at the end
[15:20] Moon Adamant: ok, but carrying on
[15:20] Moon Adamant: to the date, we were only able to finish the Rationale
[15:20] Moon Adamant:
[15:21] Moon Adamant: we have some indications for specs, seeing Rose as PIO stated the main PR needs for the Schloss
[15:21] Moon Adamant: but we need to organize them
[15:21] Moon Adamant: and then the wg can go forward into proposal and building
[15:22] Moon Adamant: the proposal will have to be presented along a budget to the Exec
[15:23] Rose Springvale: smiles
[15:23] Rose Springvale: i want to stay involved, but think my contribution is pretty much completed.
[15:23] Moon Adamant: eheheh big silence
[15:23] Rose Springvale: i think maybe the building proposal should be the focus of the WG now, then maybe look at old prices to put buget together?
[15:24] Moon Adamant: we have a good deal of experience doing budgets, so no worries
[15:24] Rose Springvale: yes
[15:24] Moon Adamant: well, yes
[15:24] Rose Springvale: so we need people with vision and building skills
[15:24] Rosie Gray: sorry I was just wondering about the PR needs for the Schloss
[15:24] Moon Adamant: i really would like to see a specs in place and a proposal which answers those specs
[15:25] Rosie Gray: what kinds of specs Moon? do you mean things like floor plans, prims, textures?
[15:25] Moon Adamant: well, whatever you can do to show your proposal
[15:25] Delia Lake: sorry. lots of lag and crashing for me today
[15:25] Moon Adamant: floorplans... a small model
[15:25] Moon Adamant: np and wb Delia
[15:25] Keila Forager: So simply, we need to design and build a new schloss, that is the ultimate goal ??
[15:26] Rosie Gray: how much space is allotted, and prims?
[15:26] Moon Adamant: really, whatever is easier to you, as long as outsiders can get the idea
[15:26] Rosie Gray: would be good to know to start with
[15:26] Moon Adamant: yes
[15:26] Moon Adamant: the space is the current schloss parcel
[15:26] Moon Adamant: prims... we'd really like to have _less_prims
[15:26] Keila Forager: and would it need to be able to be expanded with NFS East?
[15:26] Delia Lake: so, for instance, the schloss is used for larger celebrations lke innaugural balls. but right now it has a lot of unused small rooms
[15:27] Moon Adamant: we have too much prim count on public land on NFS, and the Schloss is a good bit of it
[15:27] Rosie Gray: so its uses would be primarily for large functions
[15:27] Delia Lake: yes
[15:27] Moon Adamant: Keila, you can decide to do that
[15:27] Keila Forager: Yes, seems a very small part of the present schloss is being used.
[15:27] Moon Adamant: for instance, to get the orchestra in one sim and the ballroom in another
[15:28] Moon Adamant: that issue is discussed on the doc
[15:28] Rosie Gray: ah
[15:28] Moon Adamant: obviously, the schloss hill will have to go on a bit into the future East sim
[15:28] Rosie Gray: of course, probably a lot discussed on the doc that I haven't read yet
[15:28] Delia Lake: it's like an old castle inside. lots of small rooms and passageways, some going nowhere
[15:28] Rosie Gray:
[15:28] Keila Forager: So is the proposal going on the assummption there will be a NFS East
[15:28] Moon Adamant: maybe, or maybe not
[15:28] Moon Adamant: i think we did get lost a bit on that discussion lol
[15:28] Sudane Erato: a very nice ladies' room
[15:28] Rosie Gray remembers the ladies' room
[15:29] Arria Perreault: better to a plan for both possibilities
[15:29] Keila Forager: Meeting rooms...be nice to use it more
[15:29] Delia Lake: yes, if there is one room i'd like tokeep it's the ladies room! )
[15:29] Rosie Gray: do we want to have a throne-room for the puppet royal family?
[15:29] Keila Forager: a good plan would be one where the new schloss could be converted or modded if NFS East is added
[15:30] Moon Adamant: hmm, i'd skip that
[15:30] Sudane Erato: lol... the throne was for Ulrika ...
[15:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: puppet? mmh.
[15:30] Sudane Erato: eternally empty
[15:30] Delia Lake: only oone in NFS. you can't imagine how many times i've gotten up in the middle of the night to sneak across the street to use the ladies room )
[15:30] Keila Forager: LOL
[15:30] Sudane Erato: hehe
[15:30] Moon Adamant: the last throne user gave us a few problems
[15:30] Rose Springvale: we used the meeting rooms for the auction!
[15:30] Rosie Gray: lol!
[15:30] Moon Adamant: lol
[15:30] Delia Lake: hi Tor
[15:30] Rosie Gray: hello Tor
[15:30] Moon Adamant: hi Tor
[15:30] Tor Karlsvalt: hi all
[15:30] Keila Forager: could have parties ..oops Pip is gone..lol
[15:30] Keila Forager: Hi Tor
[15:30] Rose Springvale: no indoor plumbing in the valley?
[15:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh!
[15:30] Sudane Erato: )
[15:30] Arria Perreault: hi Tor
[15:30] Moon Adamant: welcome, please remember the meeting is transcripted
[15:31] Moon Adamant: agenda on the green box
[15:31] Moon Adamant: ok
[15:31] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
[15:31] Tor Karlsvalt: np
[15:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oopsie — I need to go now!
[15:31] Rose Springvale: hey Tor
[15:31] Rose Springvale: i'm about out of time too
[15:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: see you all
[15:31] Rosie Gray: bye Gwyn
[15:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bye bye!
[15:31] Delia Lake: if we had the perms we could auction off parts of the old schloss
[15:31] Tor Karlsvalt: bye gwyn
[15:31] Arria Perreault: bye bye Gwyn
[15:31] Rose Springvale: oh yes!
[15:31] Moon Adamant: of course, any questions on the doc... or anything related, you can ask me
[15:31] Delia Lake: bye Gwyn
[15:32] Rosie Gray nods: sounds good
[15:32] Moon Adamant: but i think i won't be part of the building team for the schloss
[15:32] Moon Adamant: can't see how to have time for it
[15:32] Moon Adamant: ok
[15:32] Moon Adamant: same as Fachwerken
[15:33] Moon Adamant: i would suggest you guys to organize
[15:33] Moon Adamant: and decide how to report
[15:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Rosie has built some nice fachwerken
[15:33] Moon Adamant: you're always free to consult, of course
[15:33] Moon Adamant: if all agreeing, let's move to GMP?
[15:33] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[15:34] Rosie Gray: sounds good to me, I need to read the document really
[15:34] Moon Adamant: ok... i'll take silence as assent lol
[15:34] Moon Adamant: ok, i'll keep an eye on teh doc as well
[15:34] Moon Adamant: ok so GMP
[15:34] Arria Perreault: I have put my name for GMP
[15:35] Moon Adamant: for those who are not familiar with GMP
[15:35] Moon Adamant: General Master Plan
[15:35] Arria Perreault: and Ulysse has told he agree to participate too
[15:35] Moon Adamant: oh, ok, thanks
[15:35] Rosie Gray: yes I have too
[15:35] Moon Adamant: this is a project which started some uh 3 years ago
[15:35] Moon Adamant: the first GMP was made by Symo Kurka - he did an awesome job
[15:36] Moon Adamant: but the GMP not only previews the expansion of the CDS in an organized way
[15:36] Moon Adamant: but also records the new geographical (let's call them that for simplicity) features of the CDS as they appear
[15:36] Moon Adamant: so it's a never ending job
[15:37] Moon Adamant: atm, it is stopped
[15:37] Rosie Gray: is there a backlog of docs on it too, Moon?
[15:37] Rose Springvale: symo is back in sl btw.. sl deleted his symo account thogh
[15:37] Moon Adamant: i have been taking care of it, and i had technical issues for a good while which prevented me working on it
[15:37] Moon Adamant: oh
[15:38] Moon Adamant: I am glad he's back tell him to drop me an IM when you see him next
[15:38] Rose Springvale: i will!
[15:38] Moon Adamant: backlog...
[15:38] Arria Perreault: back in CDS too?
[15:38] Delia Lake: oh no. glad he's back tough
[15:38] Rose Springvale: no
[15:38] Moon Adamant: i have a backup of all versions
[15:38] Sudane Erato: do we know his new name?
[15:38] Moon Adamant: and the most recent version is on teh room beneath us, though still incomplete
[15:39] Rosie Gray: ah
[15:39] Moon Adamant: we have a very complicated issue with teh terrain
[15:39] Delia Lake: i would be very very upset if LL deleted me
[15:39] Moon Adamant: which i have to solve
[15:39] Rosie Gray eyes through the floor
[15:39] Moon Adamant: seeing it's easier to study it in autocad
[15:39] Moon Adamant: but now i have another issue as well
[15:39] Moon Adamant: or better
[15:40] Moon Adamant: two issues
[15:40] Rose Springvale: i have his name sudane
[15:40] Moon Adamant: one is
[15:40] Moon Adamant: not sure if the expressed desire of two years ago is still valid
[15:40] Moon Adamant: in the sense of having tall mountains, etc
[15:41] Moon Adamant: the other is how to place Al-Andaluz in the plan, or even if we should
[15:41] Moon Adamant: i would like very much to hear your views on this
[15:41] Moon Adamant: let me see if i can copy a plan up here
[15:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Very tall mts would probably have to be homestead, right?
[15:42] Keila Forager: Why Tor?
[15:42] Tor Karlsvalt: there would be limited rental propterty i am thinking
[15:42] Rosie Gray: well, it could be homestead
[15:42] Delia Lake: the most taked abut that i here is down east from NFS and south from AM
[15:42] Moon Adamant: can't remember very well, but i think homesteads were previewed, yes
[15:42] Rosie Gray: would depend on what you did with it
[15:42] Keila Forager: With mountains are lakes and valleys
[15:42] Moon Adamant: yes, the right plan shows that
[15:43] Rosie Gray: trails, caves, cabins etc.
[15:43] Arria Perreault: yes and rivers and roads
[15:43] Keila Forager: caves yes
[15:43] Moon Adamant: the pink plots can be either normal sims with a huge multiplier or homesteads
[15:43] Arria Perreault: and also many people want ski slopes
[15:43] Moon Adamant: but as you see
[15:44] Moon Adamant: this plan doesn't show AA yet
[15:44] Moon Adamant: now, i think i did a study on how to place AA
[15:44] Rosie Gray studies the plan
[15:44] Keila Forager: And for sailing ex; water sims, they need to be more next to each other
[15:44] Moon Adamant: but have to look for it
[15:44] Keila Forager: not so much in a row
[15:44] Rose Springvale: um
[15:44] Rose Springvale: moon
[15:44] Moon Adamant: yes?
[15:45] Rose Springvale: do you know AA isn't part of CDS now?
[15:45] Rosie Gray: if those are entire sims though Keila, that's pretty good for sailing
[15:45] Moon Adamant: yes lol
[15:45] Moon Adamant: or better
[15:45] Moon Adamant: i DID hear some stuff was going on
[15:45] Keila Forager: yes, but you can come to the end of a sim very quickly..
[15:45] Rose Springvale: okay.
[15:45] Moon Adamant: but i am not sure atm how matters stay
[15:45] Keila Forager: I have an island in a 90 sim sailing regioin
[15:45] Keila Forager: and we go through 20 sims easy
[15:46] Rose Springvale: smiles. do you have the record? i need to go. son's birthday dinner
[15:46] Moon Adamant: ahhh, congrats
[15:46] Moon Adamant: and yes, i didn't crash, no worries
[15:46] Moon Adamant: go and enjoy your dinner .)
[15:46] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Rose
[15:46] Rose Springvale: bye!
[15:46] Rosie Gray: bye Rose!
[15:46] Keila Forager: Bye Rose , enjoy
[15:46] Arria Perreault: bye Rose
[15:47] Moon Adamant: ok, in any case
[15:47] Moon Adamant: you see my issues here
[15:47] Arria Perreault: yes
[15:48] Keila Forager: Yes.
[15:48] Tor Karlsvalt: could we just concern the GMP to the south or west?
[15:48] Moon Adamant: trying to organize a territory of which i don't know the components with exactitude
[15:48] Arria Perreault: we are aware of that
[15:48] Tor Karlsvalt: that would avoid the AA issue for now.
[15:48] Moon Adamant: ah, Tor, there's where I have the terrain issues
[15:48] Moon Adamant: and yes, i will try to solve the terrain
[15:49] Rosie Gray: might be like the Schloss situation then, need to make provision for either way
[15:49] Sudane Erato: what IS the AA issue if AA is no longer a part of the CDS?
[15:49] Moon Adamant: so that we can at least expand in those directions
[15:49] Tor Karlsvalt: be could sttill expand NFS east however.
[15:49] Keila Forager: Probably whether they or CDS will move
[15:49] Moon Adamant: well, sudane
[15:49] Tor Karlsvalt: no conflict with AA there
[15:49] Moon Adamant: if this plan above me is valid
[15:49] Keila Forager: and the only conflict would be if we wish to expand in that direction
[15:49] Moon Adamant: or better say
[15:49] Delia Lake: NFS can expand to he east, west and south
[15:49] Tor Karlsvalt: AA is almost certain to move at some time.
[15:49] Moon Adamant: it conflicts with the themes on the plan above
[15:50] Rosie Gray: isn't this looking way, way ahead?
[15:50] Moon Adamant: of course, that's minimal
[15:50] Tor Karlsvalt: they have Oahu on the NE corner
[15:50] Moon Adamant: ah Rosie
[15:50] Moon Adamant: yes, it is
[15:50] Moon Adamant: and the reason is
[15:50] Moon Adamant: when NFS was built... 6 years ago or almost
[15:50] Keila Forager: this is a plan for 42 sims and we only have 5..
[15:50] Moon Adamant: the reference height that was used was the cloud layer
[15:51] Keila Forager: I think we have some time
[15:51] Moon Adamant: that is a very weird reference
[15:51] Moon Adamant: this is huge because
[15:51] Sudane Erato: its very important to remember that while LL is a vastly disorganized entity with no consistent policy on anything, it is fairlky certain that if we wish to add sims in a direction that we do not have now available, they will move us... for no charge
[15:51] Moon Adamant: we need to bring the sims down with some gentleness back to the water level
[15:51] Sudane Erato: we can expand in any direction
[15:51] Keila Forager: Yes..and already # 22 is different from the plan
[15:51] Moon Adamant: because we can't have too much steep slopes
[15:52] Tor Karlsvalt: white cliffs of dover come to mind
[15:52] Moon Adamant: adding the mountains
[15:52] Rosie Gray: hmmm, yes I see that, but still with only 5 sims to actually worry about currently, and debating about 1 more to add, why is this a current concern?
[15:52] Moon Adamant: which will raise even higher
[15:52] Moon Adamant: this is the _minimum_number of prims to an average slope hmmm
[15:52] Moon Adamant: of 20%
[15:52] Moon Adamant: to reach the water
[15:53] Moon Adamant: so
[15:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Is the concern for NFS East to have higher mountains?
[15:54] Moon Adamant: no, NFS East will actually have a lower height
[15:54] Rosie Gray: well I am not sure why you couldn't just have very high cliffs for the time being, where you need it, then if/when there are more sims added, they could bright the height down
[15:54] Tor Karlsvalt: That makes sense to me
[15:54] Delia Lake: more like AM?
[15:54] Moon Adamant: the mountains will be west
[15:54] Sudane Erato: some people in the past have argued for a higher NFS east
[15:54] Arria Perreault: West is supposed to go higher
[15:54] Moon Adamant: yes, but less steep, hopefully
[15:54] Moon Adamant: if i make a higher NFS-East, then i need to add sims to the right
[15:54] Tor Karlsvalt: makes more sense to have it East start as slope down to the east
[15:55] Moon Adamant: also, the schloss should be the higher point in NFS
[15:55] Moon Adamant: and the rest of the city
[15:55] Sudane Erato: i agree... I'm of the camp that NFS should remain the highest
[15:55] Keila Forager: Makes sense to have NFS East level and slope down
[15:55] Moon Adamant: mountains apart, of course
[15:55] Delia Lake: leaving the underside of mountains hanging is not so great
[15:55] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I agree with sudane
[15:55] Keila Forager: Yes, I agree Sudane
[15:55] Arria Perreault: the idea was to have higher mountains in the west
[15:55] Delia Lake: i look to the west at the underside of the Monastery
[15:55] Tor Karlsvalt: same or equal height to NFS
[15:56] Tor Karlsvalt: NFS west clould be higher
[15:56] Moon Adamant: ah the plan in teh center has a wrong label
[15:56] Moon Adamant: the brown sims
[15:56] Moon Adamant: are mountain
[15:56] Moon Adamant: NFS will link to them through the bridge
[15:56] Rosie Gray: ah
[15:57] Arria Perreault: the border of the Mon sim was made in order to allow a next sim with high mountains
[15:57] Moon Adamant: so the bridge height is the minimal height of the mountain sims (more or less)
[15:57] Arria Perreault: (a lot of discussions)
[15:57] Tor Karlsvalt: bye sudane
[15:58] Moon Adamant: yes, an dthat must be taken into account as well
[15:58] Sudane Erato: guys, sadly i must go'
[15:58] Keila Forager: Bye Sudane
[15:58] Sudane Erato: ty all .
[15:58] Arria Perreault: bye Sudane
[15:58] Delia Lake: oops i have to go also
[15:58] Rosie Gray: bye bye Sudane
[15:58] Sudane Erato: bye
[15:58] Keila Forager: Bye Delia
[15:58] Rosie Gray: bye delia
[15:58] Moon Adamant: bye, and thanks both
[15:58] Moon Adamant: ok, we will have minimal quorum from now on
[15:58] Arria Perreault: Bye delia
[15:59] Moon Adamant: ok, this is what i think
[15:59] Moon Adamant: i think Tor is right
[15:59] Delia Lake: bye
[15:59] Moon Adamant: and that we should not concern ourselves with the northern bits for now
[15:59] Keila Forager: I agree
[15:59] Rosie Gray: so do I
[15:59] Moon Adamant: i am sorry Arria, this may mean a dealy on the archipelago sims
[15:59] Moon Adamant: delay*
[16:00] Arria Perreault: why?
[16:00] Moon Adamant: because i don't know for the moment how to plan northwards
[16:00] Moon Adamant: too many varaibles
[16:00] Moon Adamant: variables
[16:01] Moon Adamant: so
[16:01] Moon Adamant: i think that the GMP must
[16:01] Moon Adamant: 1. record again the sims' info
[16:02] Moon Adamant: for example, i don't think i have the monastery data
[16:02] Arria Perreault: tell me what do you need
[16:02] Moon Adamant: (i may have to trouble you to send me it)
[16:02] Arria Perreault: I'll provide the data
[16:02] Moon Adamant: not sure for the moment... either a plan or the raw file
[16:03] Arria Perreault: ok. I will prepare this
[16:03] Arria Perreault: np
[16:03] Moon Adamant: i'll have to try and extract the altimetric data from a raw file and i'll tell you
[16:03] Rosie Gray: what program can you do that with Moon?
[16:03] Rosie Gray: sorry just curious
[16:03] Moon Adamant: well... i think that photoshop can do
[16:03] Rosie Gray: oh really?
[16:03] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[16:04] Moon Adamant: i can select the different shades of grey... i have a table which relates greys with height
[16:04] Moon Adamant: of course, not sure if it is _practical_lol
[16:04] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[16:04] Arria Perreault: we have already tried to think how could be NFS West
[16:04] Moon Adamant: i can also maybe just measure relevant points with a prim )
[16:05] Moon Adamant: or see if a sculptmap of teh terrain can be easier to deal with (doubt it)
[16:05] Arria Perreault: are we making a work group for thr GMP?
[16:05] Moon Adamant: well, yes
[16:05] Moon Adamant: I will lead it
[16:05] Arria Perreault: good
[16:05] Moon Adamant: sorry it is not as democratic as teh others
[16:06] Rosie Gray: hehe, well this requires continuity, for sure
[16:06] Moon Adamant: but i need first of all to refresh my mind about where I was in the planning
[16:06] Arria Perreault: yes, of course
[16:06] Moon Adamant: to give the rest of the WG data to work upon
[16:06] Moon Adamant: but in any case
[16:07] Moon Adamant: i think we can think for the moment
[16:07] Moon Adamant: where to limit the GMP so to wait for developments on the north
[16:07] Arria Perreault:
[16:07] Moon Adamant: and i think that CN/LA marks the natural limit so far
[16:08] Moon Adamant: of course, we can plan west of LA
[16:09] Arria Perreault: ok
[16:09] Moon Adamant: but seeing we don't know for the moment how the north will be
[16:09] Moon Adamant: makes sense because of the LA river mouth
[16:09] Rosie Gray nods agreement
[16:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Well in that case we could plan water north of LA one sim.
[16:10] Rosie Gray: true
[16:10] Arria Perreault: yes
[16:10] Moon Adamant: yes
[16:10] Tor Karlsvalt: It would have to fit with Almunicar
[16:10] Moon Adamant: hmmm, that's one of teh variables, i think
[16:10] Moon Adamant: but for example
[16:11] Moon Adamant: that is something which can be done
[16:11] Rosie Gray: not much would have to fit in that location though
[16:11] Tor Karlsvalt: right
[16:11] Moon Adamant: which doesn't need the technical issues which are happening southwards
[16:11] Moon Adamant: we can plan the LA environs
[16:11] Moon Adamant: what do you say?
[16:11] Tor Karlsvalt: we can.
[16:11] Rosie Gray: so, to east of NFS is plan-able
[16:12] Arria Perreault: yes, we can
[16:12] Rosie Gray: but not to the east of AM, because of AG, correct?
[16:12] Arria Perreault: there is only one issue with NFS East
[16:12] Moon Adamant: sorry, lag again
[16:12] Tor Karlsvalt: well AM east could be, but CN east is a problem
[16:13] Arria Perreault: no water further?
[16:13] Moon Adamant: yes, east of CN we won't think on for now
[16:13] Arria Perreault: the visual gap and a sim with three borders without neighbour
[16:13] Moon Adamant: but mind you
[16:13] Keila Forager: would need to think about east AM and NFS together
[16:13] Moon Adamant: the north of the river doesn't worry me much
[16:13] Tor Karlsvalt: We might have to think of CN tho if AG moves
[16:13] Moon Adamant: because we are already referecing it to water level
[16:13] Moon Adamant: so... a bit more hilly... a little less hilly
[16:13] Tor Karlsvalt: will there be a problem with the CN coast on the east?
[16:13] Moon Adamant: that's ok and simple
[16:14] Keila Forager: shouldn't be
[16:14] Moon Adamant: hmm, no Tor
[16:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Part of the CN coast now is part of AG
[16:14] Arria Perreault: East: we have to build several sims together
[16:14] Moon Adamant: we just decide if we make a rivermouth there and some shore
[16:14] Moon Adamant: we can go for a pelagic band
[16:14] Moon Adamant: but we are risking it a bit
[16:14] Moon Adamant: or leave the sim open for exapnasion
[16:14] Moon Adamant: or even both
[16:14] Moon Adamant: east of NFS needs a bit of terrain thinking
[16:14] Moon Adamant: we can limit the roman theme on the east, you see
[16:15] Moon Adamant: and make a connection by water with any future sims
[16:15] Moon Adamant: ok... almost 2h 15 of meeting
[16:15] Moon Adamant: let's resume
[16:15] Rosie Gray: egads yes
[16:16] Arria Perreault: ok
[16:16] Moon Adamant: i can never make it less than 2 h
[16:16] Moon Adamant: so
[16:16] Moon Adamant: GMP workgroup can
[16:16] Moon Adamant: carry on with two tasks
[16:16] Moon Adamant: 1 - define the difficult terrain
[16:16] Moon Adamant: 2 - think on the LA environs
[16:17] Moon Adamant: in terms of themes, terrain/water, etc
[16:17] Moon Adamant: what do you say?
[16:17] Moon Adamant: then we can join both things
[16:17] Arria Perreault: "1" is for all GMP?
[16:18] Moon Adamant: for the southern sims and NFS-east
[16:18] Arria Perreault: including NFS West?
[16:18] Moon Adamant: hm, possibly
[16:18] Moon Adamant: or rather, yes
[16:18] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[16:18] Arria Perreault: ok
[16:19] Moon Adamant: but i don't know yet to what level of detail
[16:19] Tor Karlsvalt: ok, so our short term goal is still NFS East?
[16:19] Moon Adamant: my original aim was to determine the heights at the sim corners and medians only
[16:19] Rosie Gray: and how do we proceed Moon? do you want to assign us tasks?
[16:19] Moon Adamant: to leave the terrain free to model by others
[16:19] Moon Adamant: not sure yet
[16:19] Keila Forager: Oh, I must go, thanks Moon..
[16:19] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Keila
[16:20] Arria Perreault: next goal is to have a GMP, Tor, which is the base to work
[16:20] Moon Adamant: I need first of all, i think, to have a look at what i have, and report to you
[16:20] Arria Perreault: bye Keila
[16:20] Rosie Gray: bye Keila
[16:20] Moon Adamant: bye Keila, and thanks
[16:20] Moon Adamant: so i would proceed with that now
[16:20] Rosie Gray nods
[16:20] Moon Adamant: and report back to you next meeting
[16:21] Moon Adamant: btw, i forgot to ask people if this hour was good for everyone
[16:21] Arria Perreault: 2 PM?
[16:21] Moon Adamant: i can make it a bit earlier... today i had something just before it
[16:21] Moon Adamant: yes
[16:21] Rosie Gray: oh my schedule varies so much, but right now it is
[16:21] Tor Karlsvalt: um, I am at work usually
[16:21] Moon Adamant: for you it's a bit late, i think
[16:22] Arria Perreault: it means the meeting ends late
[16:22] Moon Adamant: it always does!
[16:22] Moon Adamant: ok
[16:22] Arria Perreault: but it's ok
[16:22] Moon Adamant: but provisionally
[16:22] Moon Adamant: nest tuesday, same hour
[16:22] Moon Adamant: next
[16:22] Arria Perreault: ok
[16:23] Arria Perreault: Guild or GMP WG?
[16:23] Moon Adamant: Guild
[16:23] Moon Adamant: i'll report within it
[16:23] Rosie Gray: sounds good Moon
[16:23] Arria Perreault: ok
[16:23] Moon Adamant: then we'll see if we can set a time for the WG
[16:23] Moon Adamant: ok...
[16:23] Moon Adamant: the3n i am closing this lol
[16:23] Arria Perreault: tell me the data you need for MON
[16:23] Moon Adamant: any other business?
[16:24] Moon Adamant: let me run some tests first
[16:24] Moon Adamant: and i will
[16:24] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[16:24] Rosie Gray: I have to run now too
[16:24] Arria Perreault: Bye bye Rosie
[16:25] Moon Adamant: ok, so, if all agree, i move to adjourn
[16:25] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[16:25] Arria Perreault: aye
[16:25] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Rosie
[16:25] Rosie Gray: yes
[16:25] Moon Adamant: aye too
[16:25] Moon Adamant: adjourned
[16:25] Rosie Gray: bye Tor, Arria, Moon
[16:25] Arria Perreault: ty for the meeting
[16:25] Moon Adamant: thanks a lot guys