Transcript RA meeting December 19

[Lilith Ivory]

[12:00] Delia Lake: hello everyone
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: maybe your ao, beathan?
[12:01] Beathan Vale: yes -- I don;t think Ilike this new viewer
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: no, I hate v2
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: the aganda is in the box
[12:02] Tor Karlsvalt: Beathan, you on the most current version?
[12:02] Tor Karlsvalt: 2.1
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: hope you are all able to get it
[12:02] Tor Karlsvalt: 2.4
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: /me´s a little nervous all alone up here hehe
[12:02] Beathan Vale: sadly, yes
[12:02] Fern Leissa:
[12:02] Fern Leissa: umlat hehe
[12:03] Tor Karlsvalt: You do fine Lil
[12:03] Tor Karlsvalt: i mean madam LRA
[12:03] Cam Holiday: Don't be nervous
[12:03] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:03] Sudane Erato: you'll me great!
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: don't worry, we dont'want to be up there
[12:03] Fern Leissa:
[12:04] Fern Leissa: Scary enough being here lol
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:04] Tor Karlsvalt thinks about being scared.
[12:04] Sudane Erato:
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: I saw Pip coming online
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: maybe we can start with Citizens concerns while the rest arrives
[12:05] Fern Leissa: Pip is on his way
[12:05] Trebor Warcliffe: Are we recording Lilith?
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: yes of course
[12:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Wasn't sure if that was something that needed to be activated, thats all.
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: thought I would not have to mention it as there is a big sign behind me
[12:06] Tor Karlsvalt: or maybe we have election results and Treb is a new member.
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: think we lost that activation thingy a few terms ago
[12:06] Trebor Warcliffe: ok
[12:07] Trebor Warcliffe: So we are addressing citizens concerns or waiting a few more minutes?
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Woot! Cindy
[12:07] Beathan Vale: Hi Cindy
[12:07] Fern Leissa: Hi cindy
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: our missing members are quite close
[12:07] Mikelo Serevi: cindy and pip
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: Hiya cindy
[12:07] Delia Lake: we do not have election results until Tuesday eve at the earliest. very sorry about that. Jon had RL delays in getting the program updated
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: Hi Pip
[12:07] Cindy Ecksol: hi all. sorry I'm late
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Pip
[12:07] Beathan Vale: Hi Pip
[12:08] Fern Leissa: Hi Pip
[12:08] Pip Torok: hi ... dratted teleporter!
[12:08] Cindy Ecksol: Steelers game at 4 and I had to get from the ballet thru downtown to home
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: good you could make it
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt laments he has not gotten a big TV.
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: ok let´s start with citizens concerns
[12:08] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes I have a question.
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: yes trebor?
[12:09] Trebor Warcliffe: What is the situation with the Commissions? Do they carry over from last term or must they be reformed once again?
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: we have to vote on that but I´d like to continue at least a few as I think they did good work
[12:09] Trebor Warcliffe: I think they did great work.
[12:10] Mikelo Serevi: I'm not sure there's a rule either way
[12:10] Trebor Warcliffe: They allowed any and all citizens to participate.
[12:10] Trebor Warcliffe: And they were quite successful last term in bringing ideas to the RA.
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: yes and the transcripts have to be published
[12:11] Pip Torok: perhaps our LRA will have some words about commissions later on in the meeting ...
[12:11] Trebor Warcliffe: Agreed, were not always available inworld so it is nice to be able to read transcripts in your down time and contribute that way also.
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: right talking about them is on the agenda right after the election of the RA archivist
[12:11] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: yes Calli?
[12:11] Callipygian Christensen: I have a concern when its my turn
[12:12] Trebor Warcliffe: I am done
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: Calli?
[12:12] Callipygian Christensen: I am concerned at the tone and intent of Mikelo's comments in the first RA meeting and a subsequent post. As a *represntative* of the peope I had hoped that the invcoming RA members would start looking forward and attempting to begin a new phase of positive community.. I ask that you Mikelo, consider putting your energy into building, not continuing old vendettas.
[12:12] Callipygian Christensen: done
[12:12] Mikelo Serevi: I call it as I see it
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: Unless free speech is to be discouraged
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Hello Jeroma.
[12:13] Trebor Warcliffe: I have to agree with Calli. Lets let go of the past and move forward in a productive manner.
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi:
[12:13] Jeroma Wycliffe: Hi Tor
[12:13] Trebor Warcliffe: We can't work towards the future if we dwell on the past.
[12:13] Callipygian Christensen: I am not talking about free speech, so much as how tht free speech is presented when one represents a community.
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Calli also if I am allowed to say that my possition
[12:13] Pip Torok: remember ... no RA member speaks for all the RA ...
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: As long as the past is in fact the past
[12:14] Beathan Vale: those who forget the past ...
[12:14] Cindy Ecksol: *sigh*
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: I hope this RA will work together constructive during this term
[12:14] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes
[12:14] Beathan Vale: I have a brief statement when there is a moment
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: of course
[12:15] Sudane Erato: I will note that Beathan is a new citizen
[12:15] Cindy Ecksol: and an olld one
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: are you done Calli or are there any more comments?
[12:15] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:15] Trebor Warcliffe: Welcome to the CDS Beathan.
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Welcome Beathan
[12:15] Callipygian Christensen: I am done Lilith..thank you for the time
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: Welcome Beathan
[12:15] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:16] Pip Torok: (Welcome new-and-old citizen!:)
[12:16] Sylvana Torres is Online
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: Beathan?
[12:16] Delia Lake: yes, welcome back Beathan
[12:17] Beathan Vale: Hi all -- I'm back after a two year hiatus from SL. I look forward to becoming reacquainted with the CDS, which seems to undergone some changes, and to be a constructive addition. To everyone I don't know, I look forward to meeting you. Thanks. My old property was available, so that's where I can be frequently found -- in CN
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: great!
[12:17] Delia Lake: oh good
[12:17] Trebor Warcliffe: I for one love constructive additions.
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: Glad to have you back
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: cool
[12:17] Pip Torok: me too
[12:18] Fern Leissa: Good to have yu as a neighbor
[12:18] Sudane Erato: you look the same as ever!
[12:18] Pip Torok: (ears not quite as long perhaps!:)
[12:18] Sudane Erato:
[12:19] Beathan Vale: LOL
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: any more citizens concerns? I see we have a full house today
[12:20] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: ok before we move to additions and changes of the aganda I wanted to inform you that I officially stepped back from my office as caretaker in the CDS
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: having both offices didn´t seem to be propper
[12:21] Trebor Warcliffe: Understandable
[12:21] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:21] Delia Lake: Noted
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: Is there really a conflict of interest?
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: Up to you of course
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: the govenmental threat of the portal needs to be updated btw
[12:22] Pip Torok: better safe than sorry espicially as Lilith is so open about it
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: no but it just didn´t seem to be right
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: I´m willing to help of course if needed
[12:22] Trebor Warcliffe: That and I'm sure the LRA position is quite a workload by itself.
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: any additions and changes to the agenda?
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: I placed Tor first as he is our guest and Sudane has to leave early
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: thank you
[12:24] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: seems like everybody is fine
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: your turn Tor
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: ok thank you Ms. LRA
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I have my address in a nc, and will use a little gadget to read it quickly.
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: so if you would open your local chat box.
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Congratulations to the 14th RA as you begin your new term.
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I am honored to have been elected Chancellor of this wonderful sim, CDS, and to deliver to you the State of the Nation Address. As you may know, since coming to Second Life, I have attended many sessions of the RA.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I had prepared this address for the last meeting which I was unable to attend. I am happy to today to be available and deliver this State of the Nation Address.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: The democracy has achieved a new milestone with the direct election of the chancellor. This has been an improvement to the selection by the RA and should remove one point of contention within RA as well as allowed for a very smooth transition.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I wish to thank Sonja for being helpful these past few weeks.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Recently, there has been some controversy about the election of the current RA. Although fewer citizens stood for election than we had seats, I note that we had two viable candidates standing in the by-election for the open seat.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Thus, our democracy appears to be surviving. Both of these candidates are relatively new citizens and this stresses the importance of gaining new citizens. New citizens are energetic and eager to contribute and I hope an example to our older citizens.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: To that end this term will make attracting new citizens a primary focus. This must entail the promotion of CDS in SL and the marketing of our considerable vacant land.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: At present, LA is proving to be a difficult sim and has a significant portion of its parcels held by the government. At present, we should not worry as income from the sim is still sufficient to cover its costs.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Ownership in the alpine sims remains strong. However as of yesterday a number of parcels have been placed on private sale in Neufreistadt.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will promote CDS via group memberships, LL search and internet. Public events will be encouraged to display the standard CDS kiosk which will link to an updated listing of land for sale. The government will investigate the use of a scri
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: scriptomatic.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will investigate recent changes to LL advertising and marketing.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will set properties for sale at a reasonable rate with the stress on having most properties set for sale. Sale prices of property held by CDS will be reduced to a reasonable market rate.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will act on the approved parcelling of Alpine Meadow AH2 as recommended by the New Guild. Moon has just recently provided the map for the parceling:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... AH2#p16797
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will seek to establish and maintain communication and cooperation with other democracies and governments in SL.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The Government will follow a good neighbor policy with Al Andalus. I will request that the New Guild consider how our open sim sides may be closed to provide a more aesthetic view from Al Andalus.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will look toward a new land communication between CN and Al Andalus.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will continue to support regional commissions and their scheduling of events. However we will ensure that events keep some focus on directing visitors to available land.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will encourage a report regarding each event as to the number of visitors brought into the sim and any efforts by organizers to sell land.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will organize a Christmas Market in the Neufreistat Platz.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government has organized a concert in Alpine Meadow for Christmas. It will be Craig Lyons a very popular artist in Second Life, at 8 PM SLT on Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: It has been posted in Notices, on the event Calendar and in SL Events.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will propose that future budgets extend into the next term to allow for programing as soon as the new term begins. The current, proposed budget and commentary can be found at:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3179
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: The government well encourage the Guild and RA to consider the development of a new alpine sim and or other sim project as opportunities arise.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will encourage the Guild to consider the rebuilding of the clock tower in NFS as it is textured in an unrealistic manner. For instance, heavy stone is above a half-timbered section.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will encourage the New Guild to highlight areas where the sims can be improved, if and when the new mesh technology and 60m prims become available.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: There is much work to be done. And I will need everyones help. It my hope we can all come together and make CDS the democracy and friendly place it should be. Much like Locus Amoenus is a nice place, so should all of CDS.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you all,
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Tor Karlsvalt
[12:31] Pip Torok: applause
[12:31] Lilith Ivory applauds
[12:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Excellent
[12:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Applauds
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: thx Tor
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: yw
[12:31] Cam Holiday applauds
[12:31] Callipygian Christensen applauds
[12:31] Fern Leissa: Clap, clap, clap. Tx Tor
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks all
[12:32] Pip Torok: possibility for questions, mme LRA?
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: I do request Ms. LRA, that the RA pass on the budget as presented in the link
[12:32] Lilith Ivory opens her web browser
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: everybody ok with that request?
[12:33] Fern Leissa: Fine
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Naturally modifications are welcome, now or in the futre.
[12:33] Trebor Warcliffe: Very good
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: well, budget presentation is listed as next
[12:34] Sudane Erato: I'd like to volunteer that I support this budget completely
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you Sudane.
[12:34] Pip Torok: Are questions to the Chancellor permitted?
[12:35] Lilith Ivory: of course
[12:35] Pip Torok: well will the Chancellor be ensuring that enetertainment in oldworld-friendly hours are fairly available?
[12:36] Sudane Erato:
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh yes.
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks for the question Pip, I do realize that the last few events have been at times a bit late for europe
[12:36] Trebor Warcliffe: May I ask what "oldworld-friendly hours" means please
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I will stess that we have a balance and preferable times good for all.
[12:37] Sudane Erato: 8 PM SLT is 4 in the morning for those in the UK
[12:37] Pip Torok: it means that ppl living outside the American Continent do not have to sit up during the wee small hours of the morning
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: but alas I think we will have to strive for a balance mostly
[12:37] Sudane Erato: and 5 in Germany
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: A yes,
[12:37] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you for the clarification
[12:37] Fern Leissa: Madame LRA may I ask a question of the Chancellor?
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree Pip, the concert for the 22nd was an opportinity that I felt we could not pass on.
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: of course Fern :9
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: and I will keep Euro times in mind.
[12:38] Pip Torok: yes but in that case you were constrained (as I understand it)
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: I think the LRA is on so late that I forget that
[12:38] Sudane Erato:
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:39] Fern Leissa: I'm wondering about the projected revenue figures. Are these in some way taking in to account our vacancy rates?
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: I live in SLT
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: um I have not counted parcels currently held by the gov't
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: so CDS is ok at the moment.
[12:40] Fern Leissa: Ok.
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: That said we need to keep attracting new people
[12:40] Sudane Erato: despite the number of yellow parcels, the tier revenues have remained remarkably consistent over many months
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: One must keep in mind also, that some of the yellow on the map represents private sales.
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: I have a question about attracting new people
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: These are still paying tier..
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Mikelo
[12:41] Trebor Warcliffe: Good point Tor.
[12:41] Pip Torok: if our occupancy rate compares well with most other sims ... may it not be the actuall reason for the shortfall is Extra-SL?
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi: Are these efforts going to try to find people interested in democracy?
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes always, Mikelo. I point to my new poster and group inviter.
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: This is not a challenge to you, I'm really asking
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: The focus is on showing CDS as an experiment in democracy.
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: no problem Mikelo
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I do note, that all of us can help in recruitment.
[12:43] Cindy Ecksol raises hand
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Mr. Vale has just offered an excellant idea of going to polysci groups
[12:43] Pip Torok hopes that more regard us as a practising democracy rather than simply as an experiment...
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Cindy, let me answer Pip
[12:43] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: I had thought that, pip. Some of us call it home, too
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: well regarding Land vis a vis SL.
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: It is true that SL is under pressure from RL.
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: However, some sims still go very well.
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I think we can be one those sims, and indeed, in many respects are right now..
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: As Sudane notes, we do rather well as a sim.
[12:45] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[12:45] Sudane Erato: yes, we do
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: Cindy>
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: ?
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: not so much a question for Tor,
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: but a motion.
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: yes?
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: there seems to be some concern about the budget and in the interest of time and efficiency, I wonder if we ought to delay a vote until next meeting
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: I so move...is someone willing to second?
[12:47] Frances Ying is Online
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: 2nd, I'd like time to review
[12:47] Tim Leckrone is Offline
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: Um, the govenmen is under some constraints
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: It can be amended in later sessions but I would like a budge passed.
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: it has been posted to the forum since the 13th
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: my net has been out since the 15th
[12:48] Cindy Ecksol: I would too, but there are clearly concerns judging by the number of questions
[12:48] Cindy Ecksol: Tor, perhaps you could dig up a few prior budgets and give us a retrospective look?
[12:48] Tim Leckrone is Online
[12:49] Lilith Ivory: imo that would be a good idea as not all of us are financial experts
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I believe the links to prior budgets are in the comentary.
[12:49] Cindy Ecksol: last term, and I believe Jamie had a budget for the 11th term even if he didn't do one for the 12th
[12:49] Lilith Ivory: (including me)
[12:49] Cindy Ecksol: how about putting them in a spreadsheet for us, Tor?
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: At any rate, we can do this the good ol' US of A way
[12:49] Cindy Ecksol: make it easy -- you'r ethe expert, we need spoonfeeding
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: RA should pass a conintuing resolution to allow the government to function under the past budget
[12:50] Trebor Warcliffe: Tor I have some spare time these next few weeks I would be able to help you with this if needed.
[12:50] Cindy Ecksol: well, first we have to vote on this motion
[12:50] Cindy Ecksol: call the vote?
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: do we have a second yet?
[12:50] Pip Torok: yes... mikelo
[12:50] Cindy Ecksol: yes, iti was seconded
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: I take sudane's support as a sign it's a good budget
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: ok all in favor for Cindys motion say aye please
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: but I haven't digested it yet
[12:51] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[12:51] Pip Torok: aye
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[12:51] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: motion carries
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: ok guys, you know you just shut down CDS
[12:52] Pip Torok: ???
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol: no, we didn't yet....
[12:52] Sudane Erato: please remember that some auhorization is now needed to spend CDS money, other than tier
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: you can still continue working
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: exactly
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol: I move that we pass a resoulution continuing theh 13th term monthly budget until a new one is in place
[12:52] Trebor Warcliffe: Sudane is correct
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: 2nd
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol: thanks mikelo
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: A CR
[12:53] Pip Torok: move to vote?
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: do we need to discuss or are we ready to vote?
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: can't leave tor hanging
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: all in favor for Cindys motion say aye please
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[12:53] Pip Torok: aye
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[12:53] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: ok, that's fine
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you all.
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: we must have our music
[12:54] Cindy Ecksol: now Tor, will you please get us the info we need on projected revenues (given the number of parcels for sale) and a spreadsheet comparing past budgets?
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: thank you Tor
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: among other things
[12:54] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: yes Calli?
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: sure that would be fine.
[12:54] Cindy Ecksol: then we can happily pass your proposal and go our merry way...or intelligently propose alternatives
[12:54] Cindy Ecksol: thanks!
[12:55] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[12:55] Callipygian Christensen: In addition to Ciny's comment..there are a number of parcels owned by the govt that are not set for sale
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: I will note that the presented budget has projected revenues based on parcels owned as of the 13th
[12:55] Callipygian Christensen: (with that raising again for me the question of if iter is set high since so many parcels can be non productive) can we get those inclued in the accoutning?
[12:55] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes there is Calli.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: um, I think tier is anoher issue.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: I tihnk it is high, but RA needs to dicuss tier.
[12:57] Trebor Warcliffe: Calli how do you mean included in the accounting? Like best case scenario if all land was owned by citizens that is currently up for sale?
[12:57] Callipygian Christensen: indeed, but I think if parcels and potetial income are bieng considered, laving them unmentioned isnt appropriate
[12:57] Trebor Warcliffe: What would our income be with full capacity?
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: let me look i have that i think
[12:58] Callipygian Christensen: Trebor, I'd just like to see them included somewhere in the accounting..how or where is not a worry -just that we be aware they exist and show up somewhere
[12:58] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok i think that can be accomplished.
[12:59] Delia Lake: that does make sense to me from a management perspective
[12:59] Trebor Warcliffe: Do we know why there are government owned parcels that aren't listed for sale that should be listed?
[12:59] Beathan Vale is Offline
[12:59] Trebor Warcliffe: Going back to Calli's original comment.
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: 504844 linden would be our total tier.
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: how do we know they exist?
[13:00] Trebor Warcliffe: At full capacity Tor?
[13:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Mikelo
[13:00] Trebor Warcliffe: In my travels
[13:00] Trebor Warcliffe: I maintain the CDS Owners/Citizens list
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[13:01] Trebor Warcliffe: There are propertys that list Rudeen Edo as owner
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Some govenment parcels have not been placed for sale by past chancellors porbalbly to limit the amount of yellow on the map.
[13:01] Pip Torok: I believe the reasohn was aesthetic, Trebor ... the colour yellow was picked because it was originally assumed that unsold plots wd form a small proportion of the total sim
[13:01] Trebor Warcliffe: That aren't currently on the yellow map
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: yes at full capacity our tier is 504844
[13:01] Fern Leissa: Is that for 6 months Tor?
[13:01] Trebor Warcliffe: We should not limit the amount of yellow on the map in my opinion.
[13:01] Pip Torok: (I'm talking of the whole of SL rather than of CDS, Trebor)
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: no per month
[13:02] Fern Leissa: kk
[13:02] Trebor Warcliffe: The yellow does allow citizens to sort of see the situation in the SIMS.
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: some were designated as open land, as I recall
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: some might be used for prims
[13:02] Trebor Warcliffe: Not them
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: um, no, i am not counting any LV land.
[13:03] Trebor Warcliffe: I'm referring to repossed properties
[13:03] Trebor Warcliffe: repossessed
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: I was using the total tier found on the master parcel lists
[13:03] Trebor Warcliffe: That should be made available for sale
[13:03] Mikelo Serevi: I just don't want to get into a finger-pointing scenario here, since the CDS is doing ok
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: No, we do have some parcels for private sale.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: naturually any of those could be abandoned.
[13:03] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Tor that is where I would gather the information.
[13:04] Fern Leissa: Ok if we get back to the budget for a sec?
[13:04] Fern Leissa: I'm wondering if we shouldn't include a Program catagory
[13:04] You decline Auctions by Kath from A group member named jaed Cartier.
[13:04] Fern Leissa: specifically for "democratic" events
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we can, probaby take money from music events.
[13:05] Fern Leissa: Maybe a speaker on inworld governance, whatever
[13:05] Cindy Ecksol wonders if that's te opposite of "undemocratic events"
[13:05] Fern Leissa: that is separate from social or community event funds?
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I assume you mean programs, like poetry or lectures?
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: sure i think we should do more of that
[13:05] Trebor Warcliffe: I think they would be included in social or community events
[13:05] Fern Leissa: Yes programs, exactly
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: we do get some of that from metanomics
[13:05] Pip Torok: perhaps we should say "democracy-promotong" events, Cindy
[13:05] Trebor Warcliffe: The budget is a broad painting so to speak
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: it would also help target ppl who would be potiential citizens.
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: yes we do Mik
[13:06] Fern Leissa: True. I'd like to see more like metanomics
[13:06] Beathan Vale is Online
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: but we could do some of it ourselves too
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Or even Delia might have ppl who could give lictures about ecology.
[13:06] Callipygian Christensen excuses herself with wishes for a productive meeting..later all
[13:07] Delia Lake:
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: i am very open to that sort of programming.
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: So the current budget is open to this already?
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: One citizen also suggested having art fairs.
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: well, current/future
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: yes it is Mik, although not expressly mentioned.
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: I was already thinking of having some of that programming.
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: The way I see it the budget allocates money to certain subjects such as events
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: And than it is up to us
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: To go into detail and decide how that money is spent
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Quite so Trebor.
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: that is my understanding of it also.
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: we don't need to concentratie on music.
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: That's where we address these wonderful ideas such as lectures
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: seminars
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: fairs
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: etc.
[13:09] Trebor Warcliffe: A commision would definitely help in this area
[13:09] Cindy Ecksol: I loved the sessions someone (Calli?) ran a while back to write "micro-fiction"
[13:09] Cindy Ecksol: was very good fun
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree trebor
[13:09] Trebor Warcliffe: All with the goal of promoting the CDS and growing the CDS.
[13:09] Pip Torok: "events commission"??
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I think those were at Fugit Hora.
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Jayme Mistwalker ran them
[13:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Events or it may fall into the communications commission
[13:10] Mikelo Serevi: I think this can be run informally
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: well we have the regional commissons.
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: The Roman is active.
[13:10] Trebor Warcliffe: I'm just trying to type out ideas as they come to mind
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: but I think anyone with an Idea can come to Me or anna
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: and we can plan it
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Beathan mentioned poly sci groups.
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: They might have interesting lecturers.
[13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: Even starting somethign as simple as a forum thread about it would accomplish something
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: these are all good ideas.
[13:11] Pip Torok: agress with Trebor
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi thinks trebor just volunteered
[13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: LOL
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:11] Fern Leissa:
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: I am in world a bit, so anyone who wants to talk in world can just IM me. Also, there are he forums.
[13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: my email is [email protected]
[13:13] Pip Torok: (with the caps, Tor?)
[13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: caps aren't really necessary.
[13:13] Pip Torok: ok ...
[13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Also there is a mail box on my cabin.
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: any more questions at Tor?
[13:15] Pip Torok: (for the records, the cabin is in AM)
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: if not we might want to move forward to our next point on the aganda
[13:15] Tor Karlsvalt: ah yes, where the monastery used to be
[13:16] Tor Karlsvalt restfully takes a seat. whew
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:16] Pip Torok:
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: Election of a RA Archivist
[13:17] Cindy Ecksol: not elected, appointed....
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: Cindy agreed to continue with that office if there are no other volunteers
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: oh ok
[13:17] Cindy Ecksol: and I would be happy to continue.
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: Will you have time, cindy? I know you mentioned Rl things
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: I´m happy you do Cindy
[13:18] Cindy Ecksol: still have the issue of the missing transcript from July 9 to clean up from last term, but aside from that no big deal
[13:18] Pip Torok: Cindy could I ask that you point citizens to where the up2date constitution and laws is held ??
[13:18] Cindy Ecksol: Pip, the constitution is currently updated with everything from last term EXCEPT what might have been passed on July 9
[13:18] Cindy Ecksol: I can't find a transcript for that meeting
[13:19] Cindy Ecksol: you can find the constitution and laws on the portal, but give me a sec and I'll pull out the link
[13:20] Cindy Ecksol: here's te code of laws, and there's a link on te right to the Constitution: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=codeoflaws
[13:20] Pip Torok: thanks!.....
[13:20] Delia Lake: there are some codes and posts that are not quite up to date as i recall. Cindy, when i find spots when i'm doing SC research i'll email them to youy
[13:21] Cindy Ecksol: yes, tere are lots of things missing from previous terms.
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: we had no archivist for 2 or 3 terms as I recall
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: if you can identify some, Delia, I'll fix them...
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: but we really need a piece of work to comb thru the archives in a systematic way
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: I'll see if I can do some of that over the holidays
[13:24] Cindy Ecksol: reember, the archivist can't do anything with a public source
[13:24] Trebor Warcliffe: So Cindy will retain the position of archivist?
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: as there does not seem to be any objections I´m appointing Cindy for RA archivist now
[13:24] Cindy Ecksol: so even though I remember that we passed a law saying that the RA had to hold a meeting within a week, I have no SOURCE for that without the transcript and can't update the portal
[13:25] Trebor Warcliffe: Very good.
[13:25] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:25] Cindy Ecksol: I keep meaning to ask Rose for that transcript and forgetting, but I will try to remember
[13:25] Fern Leissa: Thank you Cindy
[13:25] Cindy Ecksol: yw
[13:25] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes thank you Cindy
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: thank you Cindy
[13:26] Cindy Ecksol: BTW, for what it's worth the software for managing the portal is (to use an Englishism) bloody awful
[13:26] Pip Torok: now now! )
[13:26] Cindy Ecksol: really takes an expert to figure it all out unfortunately
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:26] Mikelo Serevi: this is not phpbb, but the other one?
[13:26] Delia Lake: what software is it?
[13:26] Cindy Ecksol: no, not phpbb....the software being used to maintain the web site
[13:27] Cindy Ecksol: editing a page is downright archaic
[13:27] Delia Lake: do you recall what software is used to maintain the CDS site?
[13:28] Pip Torok remembers a source-editor that _was_ bloody awful .....
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: can we move to the next item on the agenda? we are about to run out of time I think
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: In my opinion we got a lot of work done last term due to our several commissions. So I´d like to continue at least a few of them.
[13:28] Mikelo Serevi: We could also table until next time
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: sure I don´t plan to make us do overtime
[13:29] Cindy Ecksol: I'll dig it out delia -- dont' remember offhand. but the editor is as Pip describes it
[13:29] Mikelo Serevi: I'm ok either way, depending on how others feel
[13:30] Fern Leissa: I could stay about 20 min more, if others can
[13:30] Cindy Ecksol: (for the record the portal software is TYPO3
[13:30] Trebor Warcliffe: Does anyone have a list of the commissions from last term?
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: but would like to have a vote to continue at least with some commissions as thex did a good job
[13:30] Trebor Warcliffe: Communications
[13:30] Trebor Warcliffe: Finance
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: not handy Trebor
[13:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Commerce?
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: Covenant reviewing
[13:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Trying to remember them off the top of my head
[13:31] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, could we find out which commissions still have a list of things to do?
[13:31] Cindy Ecksol: maybe get a report from eac at the next meeting and authorize the ones that have not finished their work?
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: the Covenant commision just started at the end of the term
[13:31] Cindy Ecksol: or perhaps that have new projects.
[13:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Thinks Covenant Review should be HIGH on the list.
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: and I think it´s important for it to continue
[13:32] Mikelo Serevi: My only concern with these is that they pulled most discussion out of the RA
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: yes, Covenant commission would be one....we KNOW that has new work
[13:32] Pip Torok again agrees with Trebor ...
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: Mik, they SHOULD pull discussion out...and then publish it on forums
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: takes too much time here
[13:32] Trebor Warcliffe: Mikelo in a way they may have but...
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: and I also found a vict ...volunteer already who is willing to chair it
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: that's the whole point -- they discuss, the community debates, they report recommendations, and we vote
[13:32] Trebor Warcliffe: They allowed a lot to be accomplished which brought to the table for the RA
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: exactly Treb
[13:33] Trebor Warcliffe: So the RA didn't have to spend endless hours dealing withit
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: any RA membber is free to go to the commission meetings
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Trebor
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: but will we?
[13:33] Trebor Warcliffe: And it allowed hte citizens, govt officials or not to contribute
[13:33] Pip Torok: exactly
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: I'm not sure activity is good just for its own sake
[13:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Its not for its own sake
[13:34] Mikelo Serevi: but anyone can contribute here as well
[13:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes and no
[13:34] Cindy Ecksol: Mik, if we DON'T go, it's our own darn fault....
[13:34] Pip Torok: "just for its own sake"? ... don't quite understand ...
[13:34] Fern Leissa: So far, I like the idea of taking it "out" to the community, but I think we also need to allow the ra adequate time to digest
[13:34] Cindy Ecksol: that's where the detail work is done -- they can spend a whole hour discussing one issue and then the next meeting on just ONE issue...until they have a set of recommendations
[13:34] Mikelo Serevi: that's what I mean, fern
[13:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Agree
[13:34] Cindy Ecksol: we don't have time for that here
[13:35] Cindy Ecksol: so those of us who are interested and want to give input, we'll go....
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: the Commision chair will give a report to the RA at every meeting anyway
[13:35] Cindy Ecksol: and not complain that we "didn't have input" if we don't show up
[13:35] Cindy Ecksol: or at least hand a notecard to the commission chair
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[13:35] Trebor Warcliffe: Many of us are limited on our inworld time
[13:35] Mikelo Serevi: My feeling was the commissions were taking policy formation out of here
[13:35] Fern Leissa: We have time for discussion ... but yes main issues and concerns could be worked out in the comission mtgs
[13:35] Cindy Ecksol: then hand a notecard with your concerns to the chair. or comment on the forums
[13:35] Mikelo Serevi: then they came back for a rubber stamp with last term's majority
[13:36] Trebor Warcliffe: It's my understanding that the RA still has to approve whatecer the commission proposes Mikelo
[13:36] Cindy Ecksol: well, that's how it works in a democracy...
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: right Trebor
[13:36] Cindy Ecksol: it's not a "rubber stamp", RA could turn down their proposals
[13:36] Trebor Warcliffe: The commision brings the RA a proposal and the RA acts on it
[13:36] Mikelo Serevi: it was last term
[13:36] Cindy Ecksol: or modify...and sometimes we DID
[13:36] Pip Torok: they don't "come back for a rubberstamp" imho, Mikelo
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: and we still had a lot of work bringing the proposals in a acceptable shape
[13:37] Tor Karlsvalt recalls wide support for all the laws passed, including from Gwyn, pip and Arria
[13:37] Fern Leissa: Yeah. Comissions but no rubberstamping. We need a balance btw efficienty and discussion
[13:37] Mikelo Serevi: I'm not saying I'm against commissions, I've been on them
[13:37] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Fern
[13:37] Trebor Warcliffe: And ANYONE can join a commisision, citizens and RA members alike
[13:38] Pip Torok: ... its big strength ....
[13:38] Delia Lake: for what it's worth, my recollection is that last term RA commission chairs reported their progress at just about every RA meeting
[13:38] Trebor Warcliffe: Thats what I remember reading the transcripts
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: right and I´m going to continue that
[13:38] Pip Torok: mine too...
[13:38] Delia Lake: and that there was RA discussion almost every time
[13:39] Trebor Warcliffe: Last term I wasnt able to come to RA meetings much.
[13:39] Trebor Warcliffe: The transcripts were a lifesaver for me.
[13:39] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:39] Mikelo Serevi: I'm just saying, maybe not a commission for every little thing
[13:40] Cindy Ecksol: well, the things we have commissions for are generally BIG things that can't easily be debated in the time we have here
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: I only have two on my agenda right now anyway
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: true lilith
[13:40] Trebor Warcliffe: Good point. Think about it though if its a commission for something "little" its probably not going to get support anyhow.
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: we can talk about more next time
[13:40] Cindy Ecksol: commissions are a chance to air all kinds of options and filter them down to the ones that seem the best
[13:40] Pip Torok: one way, Mikelo, is to propose "ad-hoc" commission only if and when the need arises ...
[13:40] Cindy Ecksol: at least to those who participate in the commission
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: so are you all ok with me motion to continue the covenant with Fern as chair?
[13:41] Pip Torok: seems so!
[13:42] Fern Leissa: Hello. Who was chair before?
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: it was Keila but a RA member has to be chair
[13:42] Cindy Ecksol: I move that we continue the Covenant Commission with Fern Leissa as chair
[13:42] Cindy Ecksol: second?
[13:42] Fern Leissa: But she would know what's been done?
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: she agreed to continue working in that commision
[13:42] Pip Torok: second
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: all in favor say aye please
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: it is in the transcripts.
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:43] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[13:43] Pip Torok: aye
[13:43] Trebor Warcliffe: Last term Rose posted a link on the Forums for a Covenant Review. I've found it quite handy in my studies of the covenants.
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: fern?
[13:43] Cindy Ecksol: can you share treb?
[13:43] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Natually, the exec well help in anyway.
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:43] Trebor Warcliffe: Let me go look for it, back in a sec.
[13:43] Fern Leissa: Ok Thank you Tor
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: concrats fern
[13:44] Cindy Ecksol applauds
[13:44] Pip Torok: ]/me claps too
[13:44] Fern Leissa: tx Cindy
[13:44] Fern Leissa:
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: the other commission I´d like to continue is the Commerce Commision
[13:44] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, can we ask other commissions for a brief report on their current "work in progress" for next meeting and then vote whether to continue each?
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: sure I can invite the commision chairs to our next meeting
[13:45] Cindy Ecksol: I need to know more about what the others are up to before I'm ready to vote
[13:45] Cindy Ecksol: does't even need to be an "in person" report -- a notecard will do
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: ok I´ll take care about that
[13:45] Mikelo Serevi: this seems reasonable
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: the other commision I wanted to vote for now is the Commerce commission
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: I was the cair befor but can´t do it now as LRA
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: there is still a lot to do to increase commerce
[13:46] Cindy Ecksol is not ready to vote on that without more info
[13:46] Fern Leissa: I agree with Cindy
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: and it would be a good change for the community to work with the Commerce coordinator
[13:47] Trebor Warcliffe: Heres the forum posting with all the links.
[13:47] Trebor Warcliffe: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3105
[13:47] Cindy Ecksol: let's get an "upcoming items" agenda from each commission and do the reauthorizations next time
[13:47] Pip Torok: errrm circular argument? ... no commission with info on commerce, to be provided by a commission????
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: ok sounds ok for me
[13:48] Fern Leissa: I als wonder if some commerce issue might not be in Tor's area of responsibility. Need clarification
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: we might have to vote for more commisions anyway
[13:48] Mikelo Serevi: people already sell here, what more is needed?
[13:48] Trebor Warcliffe: To actually make some sales maybe?
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: the problem is they don´t sell much
[13:48] Cindy Ecksol: ok...let's table this until we see what's on the current agenda of the commerce commission
[13:49] Cindy Ecksol: if we don't like the agenda, we can refuse to reauthorize
[13:49] Cindy Ecksol: that's how democracy works
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: ok anybody in favor for tabling it say aye please
[13:49] Trebor Warcliffe: I would encourage all to dig through the forums and read the transcripts from the Commission meetings you are curious about.
[13:49] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:49] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:49] Trebor Warcliffe: I found all of them to be quite informative
[13:50] Pip Torok: aye
[13:50] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:50] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: ok we table it till next time
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: (reminds me I forgot a item on the agenda lol)
[13:51] Beathan Vale: good to see that we are using the word "table" like Americans and not like Brits
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: uhm I try to use it somehow as it´s not familiar for me poor german
[13:52] Beathan Vale: the ambiguities of rules of order in international meetings
[13:52] Trebor Warcliffe: lol
[13:52] Pip Torok: (earlier, had meant to say, circular argument : we have no commission, because to have one, we would need information that only a commission on commerce could provide ... ...)
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:52] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, yes
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: what do you think about the online indicator boards?
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: do we want to keep them?
[13:53] Trebor Warcliffe: What are they?
[13:53] Mikelo Serevi: like the ones outside?
[13:53] Trebor Warcliffe: Oh for the RA members
[13:53] Trebor Warcliffe: If they're online
[13:53] Cindy Ecksol: I don't think I EVERY got a tap from them...but seems like a good idea
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: boards that show which RA members are online at the moment
[13:53] Cindy Ecksol: *EVER
[13:53] Trebor Warcliffe: As a citizen I like htem
[13:54] Trebor Warcliffe: Because they do show who ever visits who our elected officials are
[13:54] Mikelo Serevi: They seem good, as long as someone is willing to maintain them
[13:54] Pip Torok: I'm happy with them even though I'm generally at the receiving end ...
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: I always liked them but now as I might be responsible for updating them I like them a little less
[13:54] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:54] Trebor Warcliffe: hehe
[13:54] Pip Torok: )
[13:55] Mikelo Serevi: At least it's fewer now
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: will have to wait till the byelection is over anyway
[13:55] Trebor Warcliffe:
[13:55] Trebor Warcliffe: hoping
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: seems you are all in favor?
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: let´s vote so it´s all correct hehe
[13:55] Pip Torok: it seems we are!
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: all in favor say aye please
[13:56] Mikelo Serevi: sounds like a second, aye
[13:56] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:56] Pip Torok: I propose we continue Online indicator boards
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: do I hear a second?
[13:57] Cindy Ecksol: second
[13:57] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[13:57] Cindy Ecksol whispers: lol!
[13:57] Pip Torok: aye
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: /giggles
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:57] Mikelo Serevi: re-aye
[13:57] Pip Torok: I think we've been shaken not stirred!
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: ok I´ll have to find out how updated the board last
[13:58] Cindy Ecksol: I think we gave cards to Sudane and she did it, no?
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: think so also
[13:58] Mikelo Serevi: rudeen owns it
[13:59] Delia Lake: question and suggestion. might the Chancellor be added to the board also? it might be really helpful to folks to see whether the Chancellor is inworld
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: I´ll ask to give the cards and pics to Rudeen when we are complete
[13:59] Trebor Warcliffe: I like htat idea
[13:59] Mikelo Serevi: that makes sense
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: I have no objection to that.
[13:59] Pip Torok: an excellent idea imo
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: I´d like that also
[14:00] Delia Lake: this may take a slight reconfiguration but might be worth doing
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: and would support it.
[14:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Just list the Chancellor first on the board
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: possibly the PIO as well.
[14:00] Pip Torok: I propose the Chancellors name be added to the online Indicator Board
[14:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Another good point
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: yes
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: we have some space left now :9
[14:01] Delia Lake: then people who need help with CDS things could find people easily
[14:01] Trebor Warcliffe: yup
[14:01] Pip Torok: anyone second my proposal?
[14:01] Mikelo Serevi: 2nd
[14:02] Pip Torok: move to vote
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: all in favor to add Chancellor and Pio to the board say aye pülease
[14:02] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:02] Pip Torok: aye
[14:02] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:02] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: aye
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: motion carries
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: any concerns of RA members left?
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt my last bit of peace flies away on the wind.
[14:03] Cindy Ecksol:
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[14:03] Fern Leissa: hehe
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: before we move to anouncements I´d like to know when to meet next
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: what do you think?
[14:04] Cindy Ecksol: after new year's for sure!
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: yes I agree
[14:04] Mikelo Serevi: the 2nd?
[14:04] Trebor Warcliffe: 2nd a Sunday?
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: I still hope to be travelling on the 2rd
[14:05] Pip Torok: what day is the 2nd?
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: two weeks
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: sunday
[14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: sunday?
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: even if snow messes with flight plans at the moment
[14:05] Trebor Warcliffe: As a citizen I like the 2nd
[14:05] Pip Torok: agree ... Sunday 2nd at noon?
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: I won´t be there most likely
[14:05] Beathan Vale: I don't like a hungover RA --
[14:05] Cindy Ecksol: I think I can do that.....
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: lol beathan
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: HEY GUYS!
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: I can´t come on 2rd
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: ok, so no LRA... the next week?
[14:06] Pip Torok: hmmmmm
[14:06] Cindy Ecksol: ok....how about 9th?
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: yes that would work for me
[14:06] Pip Torok: perhaps Cindy might care to sit-in as deputy?
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: I´m sorry for the delay
[14:06] Fern Leissa: 9th is fine
[14:06] Cindy Ecksol: well, I could sit in on second, but I can't make it on 9th
[14:06] Cindy Ecksol: sounds like others have issues with the 2nd also
[14:06] Trebor Warcliffe: work on the 9th cant attend
[14:07] Pip Torok: (Trebor, that assumes you will habe been elected !! ))
[14:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Even as a citizen
[14:07] Trebor Warcliffe: lol
[14:07] Trebor Warcliffe: I hope im elected byt not counting my chickens before they hatch
[14:08] Cindy Ecksol: oh...right
[14:08] Lilith Ivory: Cindy would you be willing to sit in as deputy on 2rd?
[14:08] Cindy Ecksol: I could do the 2nd
[14:08] Delia Lake: i'm hoping folks are voting. i'll send out a reminder again in a few min
[14:08] Cindy Ecksol: wil we have enough for a quorum?
[14:08] Lilith Ivory: if it continues snowing I might be able to be here just can´t make promises
[14:08] Mikelo Serevi: it sounds like it
[14:08] Cindy Ecksol: heh heh!
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: Gwyn might be back sometimes also
[14:09] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you Delia
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: so should we/you meet on 2rd with Cindy as deputy?
[14:10] Cindy Ecksol: ok, so meeting on the 2nd....let's put it on the calendar
[14:10] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, make sure you give me an agenda...
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: I will
[14:10] Cindy Ecksol: at least as much as you know
[14:11] Pip Torok: i'm just glad it will be at 8pm so I'll be less hung-over ....
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: yes will care about it before I hopefully fly to US
[14:11] Cindy Ecksol: if we're done with this, I have a brief announcement....
[14:11] Pip Torok: (8pm english-time that is)
[14:11] Cindy Ecksol: ah, where are you going to be in US Lil?
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: yea I hope to be in Ohio
[14:11] Trebor Warcliffe: brrrr cold
[14:12] Lilith Ivory: but at the moment airports are about to close
[14:12] Tor Karlsvalt: oh Europe is having bad weather.
[14:12] Lilith Ivory: yea more snow than we can handle
[14:12] Pip Torok: "a brief announcement", Cindy?
[14:12] Cindy Ecksol: yep....
[14:13] Cindy Ecksol: for those who missed my Christmas concert in CDS a couple of weeks ago, I'll be dooing one at Music Island this evening at 5pm SLT
[14:13] Cindy Ecksol: so come on over and bring friends
[14:13] Pip Torok: <CLAPS>
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: good.
[14:13] Cindy Ecksol: we'll be warm ad cozy there....
[14:13] Fern Leissa:
[14:13] Delia Lake: yes, comd sing with Cindy at Music Island tonight!
[14:13] Mikelo Serevi: nice
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: it's a date
[14:13] Delia Lake: i'll put out hot cider and mulled wine )
[14:14] Mikelo Serevi: I'm not sure I can go, but I'll try
[14:14] Pip Torok: (shame it'll be at 1am London-time!:)
[14:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Cindy did a nice show on the 5th.
[14:14] Pip Torok: yes !
[14:14] Delia Lake: plug in your earphones and listen from bed, Pip?
[14:14] Cindy Ecksol: great!
[14:14] Cindy Ecksol: will be happy to see you all there...
[14:14] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:14] Fern Leissa: Under the stars
[14:14] Pip Torok: might well do ....!
[14:15] Delia Lake: you all have LM's?
[14:15] Fern Leissa: yes
[14:15] Mikelo Serevi: I do
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: no I don´t think so
[14:15] Pip Torok: yes ...
[14:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Try to make it to the Lyons Concert this Wednesday too.
[14:15] Delia Lake: yes, do come to hear Craig. he is very good also
[14:15] Cindy Ecksol will be traveling and my father-in-law still lives in the age of dial up
[14:16] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:16] Mikelo Serevi: :-@
[14:16] Lilith Ivory: thank you
[14:16] Delia Lake: smartphone + tether
[14:16] Tor Karlsvalt: Buy him a 4G wireless connection for christmas.
[14:16] Lilith Ivory: should we adjourn now?
[14:16] Tor Karlsvalt: ah yes Delia good idea.
[14:17] Mikelo Serevi: second
[14:17] Pip Torok: move to vote!!
[14:17] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:17] Pip Torok: aye
[14:17] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: aye
[14:18] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[14:18] Cindy Ecksol: (nice job Lil)
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: we are adjourned now
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: pew
[14:18] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[14:18] Pip Torok: agree!
[14:18] Mikelo Serevi: it went well
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: yes thank you all!
[14:19] Fern Leissa: Great Lilith
[14:19] Cindy Ecksol: oh, forgot to mention that I have e-mail addresses for everyone I think...I'll put them on a notecard and distribute
[14:20] Tor Karlsvalt: good idea