Transcript RA Meeting January 2nd 2011 noon PDT -- 1 of 2

[Pip Torok]

[11:58] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Mikelo Serevi (6m), Guillaume Mistwalker (8m)
[11:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, I see
[11:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: I wasn't sure if I was early
[11:58] Pip Torok: hi G hi M
[11:58] Mikelo Serevi: hi pip
[11:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Pip
[11:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: I suppose I was stand where you normally do
[12:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm.. no agenda for the meeting?
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: it probably hasn't been put in the box yet
[12:01] Pip Torok: unless theres an agnda in the urn..
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: I think we're going to swear you in, pass the budget, and talk about commissions
[12:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see.
[12:02] Pip Torok: sounds like it
[12:02] Pip Torok: I didnt know whether bromo wd put something in
[12:02] Pip Torok: sorry beahan
[12:02] Pip Torok: hi Tor!!
[12:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Tor ツ
[12:03] Pip Torok: did you see my forums post to yours?
[12:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi All
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: it's our fearless leader
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi:
[12:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Haha
[12:04] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh, been out fighting dragons.
[12:04] Tor Karlsvalt: ooo left my coffee, brb
[12:04] Pip Torok: you must tell me what nd'alnobai means
[12:04] Pip Torok: ah .. caffeine-starvation ... gets to us all
[12:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, it means "I am Abenaki"
[12:05] Pip Torok: ah!
[12:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: I'm I still wearing that? Haha
[12:05] Tor Karlsvalt: b
[12:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Welcome back, Tor
[12:06] Pip Torok: well lets see who's online ....
[12:06] Tor Karlsvalt remembered he had a freeky title on.
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Cindy said she could not make it.
[12:07] Pip Torok: hi Fern ... coming to the RA meeting?
[12:07] Pip Torok: ah!!
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Fern!
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Fern ツ
[12:07] Fern Leissa: Hello everyone. Very sorry to be late
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Well with four we have a quarum
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, we do
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: at least with Guillaume.
[12:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: Very true...!
[12:08] Mikelo Serevi: once he's sworn in
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Can we come to order before that?
[12:08] Mikelo Serevi: although I don't think the chancellor can make a quorum
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: no not me
[12:08] Fern Leissa: Isn't Cindy supposed to be standing in for Lilith?
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: just asking.
[12:08] Pip Torok: nope .. the one thing he cannot do ...
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: i think she was Fern.
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:08] Pip Torok: ah ...
[12:08] Mikelo Serevi: well, I'm inclined to wait for lilith and others
[12:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Lilith is traveling.
[12:09] Mikelo Serevi: oh, hi fern
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: Even if they don't come...?
[12:09] Fern Leissa: Lilith is out of town I think
[12:09] Tor Karlsvalt: she is in Ohio.
[12:09] Mikelo Serevi: that's right, cindy was standing in
[12:09] Pip Torok: thats right
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: So.. we need a deputy, deputy LRA?
[12:09] Fern Leissa: Right. That sounds like what I remember
[12:09] Pip Torok: well cindy was the deputy?
[12:10] Mikelo Serevi: I think she volunteered to stand in anyway
[12:10] Fern Leissa: Hi Mikelo
[12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Cali intends to be here to administer the oath to Guillaume
[12:10] Pip Torok: well we cant swear g in until another arrives ...
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, thank you Tor
[12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Alas, I don't see Cali online
[12:10] Pip Torok: as were not technically a quorum yet
[12:11] Tor Karlsvalt: no Delia either.
[12:11] Mikelo Serevi: thanks for your thoughtful response in the forum, fern. I haven't had time to respond yet
[12:11] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we can just have a discussion.
[12:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Does there need to be a quorum to swear one in?
[12:11] Pip Torok: yes ....
[12:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: An interesting provision...
[12:11] Mikelo Serevi: It seems proper anyway
[12:11] Pip Torok: yes because we can only swear someone in when were in full session
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: sort of a snag.
[12:12] Mikelo Serevi: but if we have no quorum, there will be no voting anyway
[12:12] Pip Torok: but lets discuss!
[12:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see, but what if it's the beginning of a term?
[12:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Mikelo
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Well the SC swears in the new RA.
[12:12] Pip Torok: thats not relevant as far as i know
[12:12] Mikelo Serevi: that's why we get sworn in quickly, I imagine
[12:12] Pip Torok: lol ...
[12:12] Fern Leissa: np Mikelo. Haven't seen you in much. Pretty busy?
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: yes, hectic, moving into a new place
[12:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: gee I have two houses.
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I will keep my mom's
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: but geesh
[12:13] Pip Torok: wheres your second house, Tor?
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: oh I have a condo
[12:14] Mikelo Serevi: lots of housekeeping, I imagine
[12:14] Pip Torok: (er I meant in SL!:)
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: but been living at my moms and running over to the condo all the time for stuff
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: oh on the mainland.
[12:14] Pip Torok: ah
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: in Vitersonus.
[12:14] Mikelo Serevi: oh, that's rough, two houses
[12:14] Mikelo Serevi: I mean RL
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: bad time to think of selling one. to
[12:14] Fern Leissa: rls sl yikes. I'm lost
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: too
[12:15] Mikelo Serevi: I left my fave tweezers in the apt too ;-(
[12:15] Fern Leissa: I just sent Delia an Im in case she's checking her email
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: ahah
[12:15] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:15] Pip Torok: I cd try to skype Cindy ....
[12:15] Fern Leissa: kk
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Shoot sometimes I am in a store and figure, oh easier t buy another
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: than to keep running between homes.
[12:15] Mikelo Serevi: yes, probably
[12:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: Perhaps
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: gee no cali yet
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: does your condo have an attached garage?
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: yes it does, Mik
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: and heated
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: the one thing i miss at my mom's house.
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: ok, so hard to make a choice between th e house and condo
[12:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: There's Calli
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Cali
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I'd like a condo, actually.. I like smaller places
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: I like both mik, pros and cons for each.
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: yes, yard work sux
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, it does...!
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: i sort of did it anyway for my mom, so no change.
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: with a condo, no raking no shoveling snow..
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: and her lot is small, in the city.
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: right guill
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, that's good
[12:18] Fern Leissa: Tell that to new york
[12:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha!
[12:18] Mikelo Serevi: hi calli
[12:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Calli
[12:18] Callipygian Christensen: hello..I am late
[12:18] Fern Leissa: Hi Calli
[12:18] Pip Torok: no answer from cindy on skype
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: No Cali, not really late
[12:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: That's ok, we were just discussing homes versus condos
[12:18] Callipygian Christensen: Delia asked me to come today and administer the oath for Guillaume
[12:19] Mikelo Serevi: it's a diffucult time of year for a meeting
[12:19] Callipygian Christensen: Cindy said earlier she wouldnt be here Pip, at a RL funeral
[12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: They aren't sure if they can come to session withoiut a quarum.
[12:19] Pip Torok: ah .. well till g's is swrn in were on yet in full session .. doesnt that affect the issue calli?
[12:19] Mikelo Serevi: well, people were sworn in at the ball before...
[12:20] Pip Torok: ok then lets do it!
[12:20] Callipygian Christensen: I dont believe you need a quorum for the taking of an oath
[12:20] Fern Leissa: Good point
[12:20] Callipygian Christensen: just a few witnesses
[12:20] Guillaume Mistwalker: I sure hope not, but that's regardless
[12:20] Callipygian Christensen: I havent been a cloud in ages
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I see you
[12:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hah, you're normal to me
[12:21] Pip Torok: do do I
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: i see you fine
[12:21] Fern Leissa: yeah. You look fine to be Calli. No cloud
[12:21] Pip Torok: so do i
[12:21] Callipygian Christensen: hmmm
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I actually ruthed somehow a couple of months ago
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I didn't think that was still possible
[12:21] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:21] Pip Torok: nor me!
[12:22] Fern Leissa: scary
[12:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: That must be an interesting site...!
[12:22] Pip Torok: so shall we do it then, Calli?
[12:22] Callipygian Christensen: I believe so Pip, you will all act as witnesses
[12:23] Callipygian Christensen: I don't believe there is a tradition of placing a hand on anything Guillaume..so perhaps just stand?
[12:23] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes ma'am
[12:23] Callipygian Christensen: Please repeat after me:
[12:24] Callipygian Christensen: I, Guilluame Mistwalker, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: I, Guillaume Mistwalker, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:25] Pip Torok: APPLAUSE .....
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: ♪♫♥ Applauds!!! ♥♫♪
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[12:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: ツ
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: yay, tie-breaker
[12:25] Callipygian Christensen smiles..congratulations
[12:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you, Madam ツ
[12:25] Fern Leissa: Applause applause !!!!!!!!!!!!1111
[12:25] Pip Torok: and now we are four!
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: woot!
[12:25] Callipygian Christensen: Although not in session, could someone ensure this is sent as a log to your archivist?
[12:26] Pip Torok: ok i'll be deputy LRA if we need one ...
[12:26] Pip Torok: certainly
[12:26] Mikelo Serevi: I'm fine with that
[12:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: I am as well
[12:26] Fern Leissa: yes. Thanks Pip
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Nice duds too Guillaume!
[12:27] Pip Torok: right ... well we are short of an agenda ...
[12:27] Callipygian Christensen: ok, so Pip, you'll send it to the archivist?
[12:27] Pip Torok: so i'll ask you if there are urgent issues youd like to bring up right now
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thanks, Tor
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: I have none, Pip
[12:28] Callipygian Christensen: I hate to administer and run, but RL has me busy this afternoon
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: well, there is the budget, but maybe we should all discuss it next time?
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Ok thanks Cali
[12:28] Pip Torok: ok then ... i suggest we talk about how we feel about Commissions
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: cu calli
[12:28] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you Calli
[12:28] Callipygian Christensen: darn..Id be interested in that discussion..bye everyone
[12:28] Pip Torok: I _personally_ are happy with the arrangement .. but only if the rest of you are
[12:29] Mikelo Serevi: you mean the current number of commissions?
[12:29] Pip Torok: well commissions in principle for the moment ... details afterwards
[12:29] Fern Leissa: I have to say that I prefer we limit commissions to specific tasks
[12:30] Mikelo Serevi: well, I think they can be very useful and a time-saver
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, to both
[12:30] Pip Torok: I agree ... Mikelo, guillaume?
[12:30] Fern Leissa: And in some cases I wonder if responsibility doesn't belong more with the exe branch
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Do pardon me for asking, but what commissions are we specifically talking about?
[12:30] Fern Leissa: I think my biggest concern is the Commerce Commission
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: well, I don't think we should push too much power to exe (no offense tor)
[12:31] Pip Torok: just what I was thinking ... too many "ad hoc" commissions is definitely a danger
[12:31] Fern Leissa: If we have one... what do we want it to do that is different from what Tor would be looking after?
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: problem
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: although, yes Pip, as I've said, I think we have too many commissions atm
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: waht was your concern about the commerce commisssion, Fern?
[12:32] Pip Torok: ok ... does anyone have the current list?
[12:32] Fern Leissa: I think I wan its mission to be more defined
[12:32] Fern Leissa: Not just get commerce going... but specifically...???
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: I think commerce is a concern that CDS has struggled with for along time.
[12:32] Pip Torok: well theres the commission to be on covenants
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Covenants need work.
[12:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, which is why I think Fern's right about defining its tast
[12:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: So, we have the commerce and covenant commissions...
[12:33] Fern Leissa: What several merchants said to me was ..."another commission won't do any good. We keep having them but nothing happens."
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: yes, the covenants one is important, to clarify that tier is due, for one thing
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: lol Fern
[12:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: Is the citizenship commission stil about?
[12:33] Pip Torok: in fact the tighter the definition of a given commission and its aims is imo crucial
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: what is the problem, that there isn't enough traffic to sell here?
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: can I introduce something?
[12:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: I think that's true, Mik
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: the citizenship one passed a bill last time
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: re citizenship?
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: or last term
[12:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, ok
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: let me find it
[12:34] Pip Torok: I think so Mikelo .. but i'd like to see a concrete putcome and aim for each commission , especially that of commeerce
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: Well, I personally think that democracy and commerce are somewhat at odds
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: so I'd like to see the goals, too
[12:35] Pip Torok: otherwise its talk that gets nowhere
[12:35] Pip Torok: a good subject to bring up in that commission imho mikelo!!
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: I mean, selling is something that people do in SL, but it isn't the only thing
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: perhaps the RA should plan more about what the Commerce Commission will do, and divide into sub-commissions from there?
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Really Mikelo, I think it was the business class that began pushing for more say in parliament.
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: or even German freetowns.
[12:37] Pip Torok: Pat once made the point that we in CDS are a democracy, true, but beyond that we are other things ... builder, merchant, musician etc
[12:37] Mikelo Serevi: I'm not saying I'm anti-commerce at all
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Pip, we should focus on joining many communities, too..
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: musicians, builders, etc.
[12:38] Mikelo Serevi: I try to patronize CDS merchants, too
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: We already get a few musicians and artists, now we need the rest...
[12:38] Pip Torok: lets devise an aim for the commerce commission ... I propose "how to increase trading revenue to CDS" for starters
[12:38] Fern Leissa: I think people have a question about what the can sell here. That may be something we have to straighten out
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: I do too, Mikelo
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: And government should assits those endeavors.
[12:38] Fern Leissa: One person told me she though she couldn't sell her stuff here cuz it wasnt roman
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm...
[12:39] Mikelo Serevi: Well, maybe we can ask the proposed commerce commission to present their goals to us? I don't want to second-guess them
[12:39] Mikelo Serevi: Although traffic seems to be a factor in selling
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I think that isn't true Fern.
[12:39] Pip Torok: now that i'd like to hear from the person concerned ...
[12:39] Fern Leissa: Not sure that is something in the covenants. I haven't seen that, but apparently at least there has been some discussion along those lines
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Several people are selling non-roman stuff.
[12:39] Mikelo Serevi: Oh, I see Fern
[12:40] Fern Leissa: Right. No I agree. And bunnies in roman times... well they would have been dinner not pets
[12:40] Pip Torok: ok ... then thats something for any covenant commission to tackle ... do you agree?
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: haaha
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: even now they belong in pots.
[12:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree, Pip
[12:40] Fern Leissa: Yes that's a thought
[12:40] Fern Leissa: hey !
[12:40] Pip Torok: (and ppl eat their pets.. and even boil them!;)
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: you mean they present to us what they want to do, and we consider, Pip?
[12:40] Fern Leissa: I have a pet bunny in rl !!!!
[12:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha!
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: oops
[12:41] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi: got any pictures, Fern?
[12:41] Fern Leissa: But yes, I'll try to introduce it in the covenant discussion
[12:41] Pip Torok: yes ... well we should be considering the obstacles that traders find ... and for that we need traders talking and grumbling to us
[12:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: That sounds like a good idea, Mik, but we should provide specific areas for the commission to ponder about
[12:41] Fern Leissa: pictures?? So yu can see if its fat enough for dinner . huum
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: Yes, like what Pip said. A plan and goals for the term
[12:42] Pip Torok: .. like "how to increase revenue from traders and trading" ...
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: Fern, I'm a member of PETA
[12:42] Pip Torok: PETA??
[12:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Wooo... Peta ツ
[12:42] Fern Leissa: Does anyone know what the history behind the lack of traffic in NFS is. That the vendors aren't selling anything?
[12:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: People for the ethical treatment of animals
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: yes, an animal right group
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Bunny is good on peta bread.
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: rofl
[12:43] Fern Leissa: Really Mikelo?
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt speaks out of tern.

[Pip Torok]

[12:43] Pip Torok: well its a question of broadcasting our existence
[12:43] Fern Leissa: I heard that Tor
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: It's more than that I think, Tor...
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: It's not only that, but also if we attract people
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: *Pip, not Tor
[12:44] Fern Leissa: We have gotten a few new people.. like Rosie. But I think she gets hardly any traffic to her store
[12:44] Pip Torok: for example .. we should have traders like Rosie here now telling us what the problems as they see them are
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we are going to look into advertising in magazines for starters
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, good idea
[12:45] Fern Leissa: I agree we do need better advertising
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: or idea(s)
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: Also we should use our groups to advertise to our Friends of CDS
[12:45] Pip Torok: I do know she had traffic problems at her former place ... so it may just be a SL-wide problem
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: Also we need to increase our group membership
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: so we have placed group inviters as various places in the sim and at Anzere.
[12:45] Pip Torok: ah .. im glad you mentioned that Tor
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, citizenship's dropped off alot, Tor
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: we have four new members for friens in the last two weeks
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: how much has it dropped?
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: also we have started using a subscribomatic
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: we had 206 members
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: now have 210
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: in the CDS group
[12:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I remember when I was campaigning, it went down from 100+ to now 76 citizens
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: To attract people interested in government
[12:46] Fern Leissa: Yeah, that's what I thought
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, interesting
[12:47] Fern Leissa: 76 citizens
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: i was going to ask the LRA is we could list RA meetings on the LL event calendar.
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: we have lots of friends of CDS
[12:47] Fern Leissa: That is a good idea. We are the main act at this moment lol
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: we need to remember that they are potiencial citizens
[12:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, they are
[12:47] Pip Torok: good idea Tor .. who do we see to get it done?
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: well I need the LRA as approval of course
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: as yoiu know you guys are the kings in this room.
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: representatives
[12:48] Pip Torok: ok ... can we suggest you do that Tor ... it doesnt need a motion imo
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm...
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: But I and some other exec or volunteer should be on hand to greet non-citiznes and give them the rules.
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: I agree Pip
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: no right pip
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: jsut don't want to spring stuff on you.
[12:49] Pip Torok: "no right Pip2??
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: yes, I'm a little concerned about randoms soming in and disrupting
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: but not too concerned
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: well that is an issue
[12:49] Pip Torok: i can greet noncitizens if you like ....
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: and I think some exec should be her to handle that sort of thing
[12:49] Fern Leissa: disrupting? we are our own worst distrupters
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: i can volunteer to do the rulez thing if you like
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: but, maybe someone with eject privileges should be present as well, just in case
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: I know I visited often before buying in and enjoyed the meetings.
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: right mik
[12:50] Pip Torok: well if we are afraid of possible griefers we cd devise a boot-out-procedure
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: I know Lil has them still
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: I do
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: Anna
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: right, one warning, then adios
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree, Mikelo
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm... Is the group LV here?
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Agreed, Mik
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: for non-citizens anyway
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: No this is Colonia Nove
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: noa
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, ok
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Nova geesh
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh btw,
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: I'm not sure if I have the rights, then
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: I have been working a bit with sudane and sonja to add event hosting rights to the LV and CN groups
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: We need to work on the group prerms a bit.
[12:52] Pip Torok: thats a point ... we need to see Anna about putting you on the display, Guillaume
[12:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: Er... display?
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: oh yes, I will mention that to Anna.
[12:52] Fern Leissa: Guillaume on display??
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: for RA reps online
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I am supposed to be there too
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: it's outside the room here
[12:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: Oh, right
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: and the PIO too.
[12:53] Fern Leissa: ah dah tx Mikelo
[12:53] Pip Torok: the ones outside the rathaus and other points
[12:53] Pip Torok: yes you are Tor
[12:53] Pip Torok: (ie should be on that display)
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Right
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane suggested that we try to get press reports in some of the SL mags.
[12:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: That's true, I roleplayed with a group that did that and membership boomed...
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: that's a good idea
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: So if anyone is doing something of interest, maybe we can work that up into an article.
[12:54] Pip Torok: ok then ... now do we have any other issue other than commission to deal with at the meeting?
[12:55] Fern Leissa: I'm wondering how we get ourselves listed under the showcase tab. I've discovered a lot of places that way
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: well you could approve the list of sponsor locations.
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes Fern, we need to look at that.
[12:55] Pip Torok: if we do not I propose that we wind up the present meeting and ask lil to set the next meeting
[12:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: That's true
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Keila's sim was on the showcase.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: she might know.
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: my main concern for that is how we attract people interested in democracy
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: can you guys approve the list of sponsor locations.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Right Mikelo.
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: Where is the list?
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: that is why I thoiught the RA meetings migh be of interest to some
[12:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key ... 2YgO#gid=0
[12:56] Pip Torok: quite ... cdnt see it on the Forums Tor
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: ok here is the link
[12:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: There you go
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3197
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: Maybe there is a problem Pip, but I see it.
[12:57] Fern Leissa: I agree with Tor. The meetings themselves might be interesting to people interested in seeing how democracy works in sl
[12:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: That's true
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: but I did have the wrong link before, so maybe you looked before i fixed it.
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: this is what we discussed, about allowing citizenship through sponsorship
[12:58] Pip Torok: How do we feel about the name-plaque btw?
[12:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: It's a very good idea, I've concidered it, myself.
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Well Mikelo, that is what CDSL 13-10 allows
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: we can do that or have one monument to sponsors.
[12:59] Pip Torok: should we allow ppl to remain anaymious for example?
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: yes, Arris's citizenship bill
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, could on opt out of having a monument?
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: well true, they can.
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: Arria's
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: anonymous? why would anyone want to hide?
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: I think just so we know who is a citizen, we should have something in public.
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I would like to remain anonymous if I did do it, Mikelo
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: altough Sudane will be making a tier box for each.
[13:00] Pip Torok: modesty, for example
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: oh, but this wasn't open to citizens
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: right?
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: it was a path to citizenship
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: well I suppose citizens can, but it was intended to offer a new way for ppl to become citizens.
[13:00] Pip Torok: imho they shd elect to remain anonymous if they wish
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: I don't see how it wouldn't be open to citizens
[13:01] Mikelo Serevi: the idea was to have it as a way for people to join without having to maintain land
[13:01] Pip Torok: ah ... in that case, I withdraw the suggstion of anonymity ...
[13:01] Pip Torok: there shd be visible badges of citizenship imo
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, i think it should be public.
[13:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm... fair enough
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: mainly because it is about gaining citizenship.
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: I would agree with knowing who is a citizen
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: You can bet btw, that I am not advocating a monument like the Christ in Rio.
[13:02] Pip Torok: well the SC certainly need to know!! ;|
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, the SC would know, by the tier boxes
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: True.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: maybe that is enough.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: still I can tie all of you to some land if I POKE! around.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: That seems the most reasonable way to determine who is a citizen or not..
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: That's true
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: Going to need alot of poking, for some ツ
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: well i just want it out there, we can discuss the details later.
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't think there is a huge rush for this.
[13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Though, as Tor suggested, we should discuss the locations people can sponsor
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: on this list, how many parcels are we talking?
[13:05] Pip Torok: certainly not
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: really not many
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: I understood that the monastery was one, divided up into 250M bits
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I listed about two things per sim
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: AM only has roads.
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: same for Monastery
[13:06] Pip Torok: well when we acquire another sim ......
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: I suggested the Rataus and Platz in NFS
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Could someone sponsor the lake in Monastery?
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: and The amphiteater and forum in CN
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: the Mundi in LA
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes guillaume
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: That woudl be good
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: We could also sponsor the temple in LA
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: it was right there and I didn't see it!
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: I think it's a good idea to give people inexpensive options, but if we offer too many, we will have more trouble selling land
[13:07] Pip Torok: well the way to go imo is to approach non-citizens first of all
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: ツ Glad to be of help
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: That's true
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: To both points
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Well teh sponsorship doesn't give anyone land rights.
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: We really need to push land.
[13:08] Mikelo Serevi: right, but we have had problems with group membership as a power base before...
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: I am thinking we need to discount parcels.
[13:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: Though, the other issue would be those who just want citizenship, really, and not the land
[13:08] Pip Torok: one point ... do we have a mechanism to ensure that contribution s to a location are accounted for?
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Pip
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane will make a Tier box for each sponsor and attach it to what she calls a microplot.
[13:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I agree with the reducing the price of land
[13:09] Mikelo Serevi: I'd like to see how many people would be coming in for each of these locations
[13:09] Pip Torok: ok so the citizen can point to the particular improvement due to his subcription
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: I tihnk that is all it is Pip.
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Any one for selling naming rights
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: :
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: LOL
[13:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: And it will foster more citizenship-government co-operation
[13:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, we were talking about this earlier, Tor..
[13:10] Fern Leissa: No please no naming rights
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Pip, you want the Pip Amphitheater?
[13:10] Pip Torok: agree guillaume
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: just kidding
[13:10] Pip Torok: no ... imagine the confusion between that and the old Bowl!!! )
[13:10] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[13:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: The Lufthansa Kirche...
[13:10] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt tears up the contract with the cigarette company.
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: haha
[13:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: "Traveling to Heaven's never been so cheap!"
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:11] Pip Torok: I propose we adjourn the meeting! ... second?
[13:11] Fern Leissa: Second
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: did we ever come to order?
[13:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, but I think that the current list is good
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha.
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: i think you did
[13:12] Pip Torok: right g ... your first ever vote ...
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: informally, we rather did
[13:12] Pip Torok: call the question
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: so aye
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree
[13:12] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Really this was a bad weekend for meetings.
[13:12] Pip Torok: aye
[13:13] Pip Torok: I suppose it was ....
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: (question, Pip?)
[13:13] Mikelo Serevi: thanks for standing in, pip
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, thank you
[13:13] Pip Torok: let me copy and paste this
[13:13] Pip Torok: ok .. tho its not a task i particularly like!
[13:13] Fern Leissa: Thanks Pip
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: I wouldn't either...!
[13:14] Pip Torok: meeting closed ....