LOCUS AMOENUS COVENANT MEETING – 22 FEBRUARY 2011 @ 4 PM SLT
Present: Lilith Ivory, Tor Karlsvalt, Fern Leissa
SUMMARY
-Land ownership limits. Discussed lifting limits on land ownership, with possible exceptions for designated zones/plots that would be limited ; possibly prefab housing designed to attract new citizens and/or some restriction on commercial holdings (drawback on limiting commercial if vendor w/ high traffic needs more space). Lifting limits would hopefully reduce use of group formation just to get more land. Also, currently do not see that landowners with large holdings are the norm/tendency. Lastly, lifting limits might help reduce amount of vacant LA land if there is a landowner/owners interested in larger landholdings.
- Group landownership. Limits not currently specified in covenant. If we do have land limits need to make clear that individual and group limits are the same, ie. group=1 individual in terms of allowed holdings.
- Peristyle. Considered removing the requirement that house in LA must have peristyle. Not very realistic requirement for 512 plots. May want to extend build style to non-villa farm houses or urban apartments.
- Trees. Need to set a minimum tree requirement for LA
- Covenant narrative. Might want to consider adding a more “interesting” description about the builds on each sim, including a better explanation of time/place and who we are.
NOTE: There was some extensive, off-topic discussion about re-parceling LA and perhaps having community members build some more permanent, prefab structures (or have a design contest) that is more relevant to New Guild issues.
TRANSCRIPT
[16:44] Fern Leissa: Any thoughs about changes to the covenant 
[16:44] Fern Leissa: I'll transcript for a short meeting kk?
[16:45] Tor Karlsvalt: well we could get rid of the peristyle requirement
[16:45] Fern Leissa: I was just thinking that
[16:45] Fern Leissa: I was also wondering if we shouldn't write in the Greek port
[16:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I understand it was intended for the parcles that circle common land
[16:45] Fern Leissa: It's here ^^
[16:45] Lilith Ivory stays quiet as she is not prepared at all 
[16:46] Lilith Ivory: just came here to listen and to look smart
[16:46] Fern Leissa: hehe
[16:46] Tor Karlsvalt: I listen but open my mouth and look dumb.
[16:46] Fern Leissa: Well... did a little research...
[16:46] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[16:46] Fern Leissa: There were a few Greek ports in southern Italy until at least about 75 bc
[16:47] Fern Leissa: Maybe a bit of a stretch...
[16:47] Tor Karlsvalt: S Itally was greek
[16:47] Tor Karlsvalt: i thnk the greeks had a special name for it.
[16:47] Fern Leissa: We could be vaguely ancient south Italy lol
[16:47] Lilith Ivory smiles
[16:48] Fern Leissa: I had another thought too... since the last covenant meeting
[16:48] Tor Karlsvalt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia
[16:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Magna Graecia
[16:48] Fern Leissa: I'm considering that we might want to recommend that we lift the land holding restrictions with the exception of certain zones
[16:49] Fern Leissa: Like the town centers of NFS, CN and LA
[16:49] Fern Leissa: What do you guys think?
[16:49] Fern Leissa: We still have a bit of an enforcement problem with the groups that this doesnt address
[16:49] Tor Karlsvalt wonders what that will do for my Torville plans.
[16:49] Fern Leissa: but...
[16:49] Fern Leissa: hehe
[16:49] Tor Karlsvalt: that actually sounds good Fern
[16:49] Lilith Ivory smiles
[16:50] Tor Karlsvalt: Looking at the beach, we might want to have a limit on the beach.
[16:50] Fern Leissa: I'm trying to figure out a way to make these covenants reasonably enforceable
[16:50] Fern Leissa: save lots for new people
[16:50] Fern Leissa: and allow people to by lots of land if they have the money..
[16:50] Fern Leissa: and it is in LA
[16:50] Fern Leissa: just kiddin
[16:51] Lilith Ivory: on the one hand it´s not good if a few hold all the best parcels
[16:51] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[16:51] Lilith Ivory: on the other hand...
[16:51] Lilith Ivory: who else is willing to buy them?
[16:51] Fern Leissa: I know.
[16:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Welll, right now I guess are we happy with the way it looks now.
[16:51] Fern Leissa: It really hit me when I realized how much land Pip and Naf own in AM
[16:52] Tor Karlsvalt: yup
[16:52] Fern Leissa: but they may also be the reason it's not full of yellow squares
[16:52] Fern Leissa: So...
[16:52] Tor Karlsvalt: Problem with that is we could go into panic if a large landholder leaves.
[16:52] Lilith Ivory: I might have bought the huge AM parcel once if I had been allowed
[16:52] Tor Karlsvalt: true
[16:52] Fern Leissa: See..
[16:53] Lilith Ivory: like Arias and his crew hehe
[16:53] Fern Leissa: Right... but as long as there is land available for new people
[16:53] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah
[16:53] Fern Leissa: And as long as you don't get more votes with more land...
[16:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Lil, you can still buy that parcel
[16:53] Lilith Ivory: to step for horses
[16:54] Fern Leissa: Only if we lift the parcel/m2 limits I think.
[16:54] Tor Karlsvalt: somebody should make breedable goats
[16:54] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[16:54] Fern Leissa: You already have a house there right Lilith?
[16:54] Lilith Ivory: in AM? yes
[16:54] Lilith Ivory: my fav place in SL
[16:54] Fern Leissa:
[16:54] Lilith Ivory: even if I´m not there often
[16:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we really don't have many large holders
[16:55] Fern Leissa: I would like to set limits on the commercial centers and also limits on some housing
[16:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Pip and Naf for sure.
[16:55] Tor Karlsvalt: but nobody elese
[16:55] Fern Leissa: to make sure we have space for new people
[16:55] Fern Leissa: Like the houses across from you Tor
[16:55] Tor Karlsvalt: not since Arrias.
[16:55] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, one is vacant
[16:55] Tor Karlsvalt: and the chalet down the road from Lilith
[16:56] Fern Leissa: Yeah. And I'm not expecting a lot of large land owners frankly
[16:56] Tor Karlsvalt: those are our cheaper places.
[16:56] Lilith Ivory: you´ve to tell me when the one across from mine becomes vacant
[16:56] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, I don't think we have too much of a problem with that.
[16:56] Fern Leissa: But if we lift the limits... I would think it might simplify some of our enforcement issues
[16:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes I agree.
[16:57] Lilith Ivory: why do we have to lift the limits?
[16:57] Lilith Ivory: imo the amount of land one can haold is quite good
[16:57] Fern Leissa: For LA I was thinking of limiting ownership to one parcel for the Greek merchant area
[16:57] Tor Karlsvalt: it is, but the problem to me is when ppl form groups.
[16:57] Fern Leissa: What do you think?
[16:58] Lilith Ivory: I agree Tor
[16:58] Fern Leissa: I know. I haven't figured out the group problem
[16:58] Lilith Ivory: think a group can hold as much land as they want
[16:58] Lilith Ivory: right?
[16:58] Fern Leissa: But I was wondering if we might not reduce any incentive to form groups to get around the individual land ownership cap
[16:58] Tor Karlsvalt: well no, a group can hold up to the limit for each individual.
[16:59] Tor Karlsvalt: that was how it was explained to me.
[16:59] Tor Karlsvalt: But how much does each individual deed to the group?
[16:59] Lilith Ivory: I see
[16:59] Fern Leissa: I I heard that too Tor... but I'm not finding it outlined in the covenants
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[16:59] Fern Leissa: Not even mentioned really
[16:59] Tor Karlsvalt: nor did I Fern, but that was how it was explained to me.
[16:59] Tor Karlsvalt: seems logical tho.
[17:00] Tor Karlsvalt: if I already own 4096, how can I give a share to a group?
[17:00] Lilith Ivory: yikes
[17:00] Fern Leissa: I think we need to write it into the covenants... that group ownership is subject to the same limits as an individual
[17:00] Lilith Ivory: if you have a group you can have as many voters as fit in the land right?
[17:00] Tor Karlsvalt: This is where enforcement breaks down.
[17:00] Tor Karlsvalt: no Lil
[17:01] Lilith Ivory: and a group can buy as much land as the max a person is allowed to hold
[17:01] Tor Karlsvalt: the new law llimits voters ber 250m2
[17:01] Tor Karlsvalt: but then if I form a group
[17:01] Lilith Ivory: I´m not sure if I´m able to explain what bothers me lol
[17:01] Fern Leissa: Which is easy to check? Right?
[17:01] Tor Karlsvalt: i can own my 4096 as an individual and another as a group
[17:02] Tor Karlsvalt: i just get some bimbo i find on a beach to go in on it with me.
[17:02] Fern Leissa: If group x owns 4096 2m than divide by 250m2 and that's how many members they can have
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[17:02] Tor Karlsvalt: or enter the alt
[17:02] Lilith Ivory: but you can have as many group members as land diffided through 250sqm
[17:02] Lilith Ivory: and all those members can buy more parcels
[17:02] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, i think that is right
[17:03] Lilith Ivory smiles
[17:03] Tor Karlsvalt: yes,
[17:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Now i understand those have to pay $L100 per month.
[17:03] Fern Leissa: I think it's two problems... one is how many voters are allowed per group holdings (capped by group limits)
[17:03] Tor Karlsvalt: and after next term, $L250.00
[17:03] Lilith Ivory: I still don´t get all of this
[17:03] Fern Leissa: And how much land can a group own
[17:04] Lilith Ivory: but it makes me concerned about making decisions without thinking twice hehe
[17:05] Fern Leissa: Well for covenant purposes the problem is group ownership as simply a way to extend individual land ownership
[17:05] Lilith Ivory: yup
[17:05] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I think so too
[17:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I think orginally it was designed for couples.
[17:06] Lilith Ivory: think so also
[17:06] Fern Leissa: Once I've just about maxed out my holdings... I just set up a group... me plus you and I've got another 4096 m2 (with your cooperation of course)
[17:06] Tor Karlsvalt: right
[17:06] Lilith Ivory: we could make deals hehe
[17:07] Fern Leissa: That's why I'm thinkin that if we remove some of the land restrictions on individuals
[17:07] Tor Karlsvalt: I think so too Fern.
[17:07] Lilith Ivory: you get my alowed land holdings in LA while I get yours in AM
[17:07] Fern Leissa: we will remove the motivation to form groups solely for the purpose of acquiring more land
[17:07] Fern Leissa: hehe
[17:07] Fern Leissa: Right Lilith... And then Tor has an enforcement headache
[17:08] Lilith Ivory smiles
[17:08] Tor Karlsvalt:
[17:08] Fern Leissa: And enforcement is one of the reasons we want to rewrite... correct
[17:08] Fern Leissa: Can't really enforce what's not enforceable
[17:08] Tor Karlsvalt: and when you make rules that people just skirt, it sort of breeds contempt for the law.
[17:08] Lilith Ivory: yup
[17:09] Tor Karlsvalt: brb
[17:09] Fern Leissa: Yeah. So if we loosen the restrictions somewhat... perhaps it will make it easier to enforce where we do have restrictions
[17:09] Lilith Ivory: yup
[17:09] Fern Leissa: If we say, for example... only one lot in the merchant section of LA
[17:10] Fern Leissa: even if you form a group... that only gets you one more...
[17:10] Lilith Ivory: but what if we have a merchent who needs more space and brings traffic?
[17:10] Fern Leissa: Good point Lilith
[17:10] Fern Leissa: huum
[17:11] Lilith Ivory: imo we should not restrict the merchants
[17:11] Fern Leissa: Ok. Forget parcel/ m2 restrictions w/ the exception of some residential builds/land set aside as smaller plots intened for new comers
[17:11] Fern Leissa: or for people who don't really want land but want to be part of cds?
[17:12] Fern Leissa: What about that
[17:13] Fern Leissa: oh oh... don't like that idea?
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[17:14] Fern Leissa: I see Tor checkin his watch... huum
[17:15] Tor Karlsvalt: srrry
[17:15] Tor Karlsvalt: b
[17:15] Fern Leissa: Ok.. you guys are frozen
[17:16] Fern Leissa: So... here's more ideas...
[17:16] Lilith Ivory: uhm sorry
[17:16] Lilith Ivory: RL emergency
[17:16] Lilith Ivory: my nephew stays with me over night
[17:16] Fern Leissa: oh oh. kk
[17:16] Tor Karlsvalt:
[17:17] Fern Leissa: I'll keep typing so you can read in the transcript
[17:17] Lilith Ivory: hehehe
[17:17] Tor Karlsvalt: you know, fern, do we have anyplace that requies a minimum build on the ground?
[17:17] Fern Leissa: Couple of other things and LA... I wondering if we don't want to expand the theme into a more rural setting... outside the Greek port area
[17:18] Tor Karlsvalt: i hate vacant parcels
[17:18] Fern Leissa: The Romans were great farmers so we might want to incorporated more rural villas into the build
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[17:18] Tor Karlsvalt: i think LA was supposed to be that
[17:19] Tor Karlsvalt: at least south of the river.
[17:19] Fern Leissa: Yeah. I was thinking they'd look a lot better planted with grapevines
[17:19] Fern Leissa: Maybe...but it is not in the covenant
[17:19] Tor Karlsvalt: how about two trees per 512?
[17:20] Fern Leissa: two to four per 512
[17:20] Lilith Ivory: might be a good idea to get rid of those peristyles as if you have one there is not much place left for anything else
[17:20] Fern Leissa: I think CN villa area is 4
[17:21] Tor Karlsvalt: ok that would be good fern.
[17:21] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Lil
[17:21] Fern Leissa: I think roman country villas did have peristyles... but maybe we don't want to require them
[17:21] Tor Karlsvalt: that brings up a good point
[17:21] Fern Leissa: There were also free men with smaller much more modest farms
[17:21] Tor Karlsvalt: ok we have two issues here
[17:21] Fern Leissa: yes?
[17:21] Tor Karlsvalt: one is perisyles on any individulal build.
[17:22] Tor Karlsvalt: the other is where they were really intended
[17:22] Tor Karlsvalt: that is the quad parcels that would form a perisyle
[17:22] Fern Leissa: yeah... those quad parcels don't make a lot of sense to me
[17:22] Tor Karlsvalt: LA was originally set up so four individuals would share a common courtyard
[17:23] Fern Leissa: Who has build rights on the center plot?
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[17:23] Tor Karlsvalt: right, welll I think it was supposed to be shared.
[17:23] Fern Leissa: If it was... that's weird... I don't think the romans built like that
[17:23] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't think it ever worked out the way it was intended.
[17:24] Tor Karlsvalt: i think they might have
[17:24] Lilith Ivory: it´s the first time I hear about that idea
[17:24] Fern Leissa: Franly also, you can't build a house that includes a peristyle on 512 m
[17:24] Tor Karlsvalt: most Romans in Roma, probably lived in tenements
[17:24] Tor Karlsvalt: probably build around a central courtyard
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[17:25] Fern Leissa: But that's not consistent with the villas the covenant currently requires
[17:25] Tor Karlsvalt: well we could have the NG redraw the parcels
[17:25] Tor Karlsvalt: no it isn't and i agree with you fern
[17:25] Fern Leissa: I would love for that to happen. To me these 4 sq plots are not working
[17:26] Lilith Ivory: uhm the idea of 4 individuals building together worries me
[17:26] Lilith Ivory: do you think thats realistic here?
[17:26] Fern Leissa: I wonder if part of the reason we are having trouble selling land in LA is because of the basic design
[17:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it only works when all four parcels are owned by the same person.
[17:26] Lilith Ivory: yup
[17:27] Fern Leissa: I would like to see reparceling
[17:27] Lilith Ivory: or if there are already buildings
[17:27] Fern Leissa: Even the 512 parcels side by side seem strange cuz there are not roads or pathways to the properties not along the main road
[17:27] Fern Leissa: yes. That too Lilith.
[17:28] Tor Karlsvalt: i think we have one group that could be reparcled
[17:28] Fern Leissa: Maybe we want to have a few more existing buidings
[17:28] Fern Leissa: Which one Tor?
[17:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Bag's old place
[17:28] Lilith Ivory: I wonder wether people prefer to have buildings already or to buy/build themselves
[17:28] Fern Leissa: Old place.??
[17:28] Tor Karlsvalt: the one with the barrel vault
[17:29] Tor Karlsvalt: she abandoned that some time ago.
[17:29] Fern Leissa: Hang on to that though Lilith... I've been wondering too
[17:29] Fern Leissa: Sorry Tor... I though she was still there
[17:29] Tor Karlsvalt: nope
[17:30] Fern Leissa: She has left LA?
[17:30] Tor Karlsvalt: she moved near the Praetorium
[17:30] Tor Karlsvalt: yes now in CN
[17:31] Fern Leissa: I knew she was there but though she had kept the old home too. It's not for sale is it?
[17:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Well EVERYTHING is for sale.
[17:31] Fern Leissa: hehe
[17:31] Lilith Ivory: EVERYTHING?
[17:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane just doesn't like too much yellow on the map,
[17:31] Fern Leissa: If it's the property I think it is... that reminds me of another issue
[17:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Anything owned by Rudeen and not common land is for sale.
[17:32] Fern Leissa: We need a better space for events in LA and the area what Bags was living was one area I had though about
[17:32] Lilith Ivory: well, we do have a few land owners there but rudeen yes?
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[17:33] Fern Leissa: I've asked Moon for zone maps for LA by the way, but don't have them yet
[17:33] Tor Karlsvalt: well we could make it common land too
[17:33] Fern Leissa: Since the Theatre of Clouds is gone... we haven't really got a place for events
[17:33] Fern Leissa: On the docks is ok... but
[17:34] Fern Leissa: Anyway... yes. I think reparceling might be as important to selling land in LA as repricing. Maybe more so
[17:34] Fern Leissa: As far as what Lilith is saying... I wonder too, if we should have more permanent builds for people to just move in to
[17:34] Fern Leissa: Look at NFS...
[17:35] Tor Karlsvalt: well and one reason we have few roads in LA is lack of prims on common land.
[17:35] Fern Leissa: It's almost alwasy occupied
[17:35] Tor Karlsvalt: good point.
[17:35] Tor Karlsvalt: i think that might work.
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[17:36] Tor Karlsvalt: maybe we could have like a jewish quarter.
[17:36] Fern Leissa: We could have a small residential town area... maybe along the road leading from the docks to CN.. and the rest of the sim can be zoned for country villas or whatever
[17:36] Tor Karlsvalt: With prefabs
[17:36] Fern Leissa: yes
[17:37] Tor Karlsvalt: or maybe a scribe quarter
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[17:37] Tor Karlsvalt: i bet they had such things.
[17:37] Fern Leissa: Actually Ars Avete has some city homes from Pompeii. Or we could build something like that
[17:38] Fern Leissa: I say way rather vaguely... not meaning me
[17:38] Tor Karlsvalt: true, um we have Alecia, and Sudane.
[17:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Alexia
[17:38] Fern Leissa: yes... If they are willing and have time.. that would be better
[17:38] Tor Karlsvalt: or we could have a contest.
[17:38] Fern Leissa: design contest?
[17:38] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah
[17:39] Tor Karlsvalt: probably build some nice small one or two room homes.
[17:39] Fern Leissa: yes exactly
[17:40] Lilith Ivory: it would be nice to have an Alt holding bought textures btw
[17:40] Tor Karlsvalt: ah yes The CA
[17:40] Lilith Ivory: so we don´t depend on the few we have here now
[17:40] Lilith Ivory smiles
[17:40] Fern Leissa: Yes... which is maybe why this should be a NG venture
[17:40] Tor Karlsvalt: here is the deal on that
[17:40] Lilith Ivory: ya know it´s a copyright issue that those textures can´t be given to another person
[17:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Aliasi has not created an alt for the CA, but will
[17:41] Tor Karlsvalt: that is not a problem
[17:41] Tor Karlsvalt: but........
[17:41] Lilith Ivory smiles
[17:41] Fern Leissa: you mean other than Sudane?
[17:41] Tor Karlsvalt: the agreement that the CA is supposed to "sign" is in the law and includes the stipend amt of $L1000.00
[17:41] Fern Leissa: Ok... so CA alt coming then
[17:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Hence the problem
[17:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Sonja increased the CA stipend to $L2500.00
[17:42] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, but RA must amend the law.
[17:42] Fern Leissa: Sorry what's the problem? The amount?
[17:42] Tor Karlsvalt: The agreement, needs to be amended.
[17:42] Tor Karlsvalt: this is where the RA likes to meddle into exec stuff.
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[17:43] Lilith Ivory: imo we don´t need a person to hold this office but an Alt who is available for a few persons who need him/her
[17:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Now we have an odd situation where the Chancellor increased the stipend, but the law seems to limit the stipend to 1K
[17:44] Tor Karlsvalt: true, I agree with that too lil
[17:44] Fern Leissa: Who is being paid? The CA?
[17:44] Lilith Ivory: you should bring this issue to RA next sunday
[17:44] Tor Karlsvalt: Aliasi Stonebender
[17:44] Tor Karlsvalt: she has been the CA forever.
[17:45] Tor Karlsvalt: But lil is talking about a builder alt.
[17:45] Lilith Ivory: sure there was a time when it made sense
[17:45] Fern Leissa: So her stipend was increased by Sonja but not written into law. I that the problem?
[17:45] Tor Karlsvalt: some alt that would hold textures for production.
[17:45] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Fern it is
[17:45] Tor Karlsvalt: but the RA did approve the budget
[17:45] Fern Leissa: Right... But we're not paying an alt correct?
[17:46] Tor Karlsvalt: right
[17:46] Lilith Ivory: bought items like textures and event items should be in that Alt also
[17:46] Lilith Ivory: not only CDS creations
[17:46] Lilith Ivory: or we need two alts hehe
[17:46] Tor Karlsvalt: Lil has a good point.
[17:46] Tor Karlsvalt: I see this problem for the chancellor too
[17:46] Fern Leissa: I got ya Lilith..
[17:46] Tor Karlsvalt: stuff like subscribos and other things
[17:47] Tor Karlsvalt: lots of stuff in no transfer.
[17:47] Lilith Ivory: it´s a shame every PIO has to buy his own dances and such
[17:47] Fern Leissa: I would think that one alt could store both cds builds and bought items
[17:47] Tor Karlsvalt: pretty much, or we could just have a pio alt and a chancellor alt etc
[17:47] Tor Karlsvalt: but then we go alt crazy
[17:48] Lilith Ivory: yup and some trustworthy persons should have access to the password so the items are available when needed
[17:48] Fern Leissa: Well over time... for those that follow us... it might be hard to figure out which alt had which dance ball
[17:48] Fern Leissa: I find that hard now... w/o alts
[17:48] Lilith Ivory: one Alt for all items would be my fav
[17:49] Tor Karlsvalt: we could
[17:49] Fern Leissa: But with multiple people w/ the psswd
[17:49] Tor Karlsvalt: sort of an admin alt.
[17:49] Fern Leissa: Yes
[17:49] Lilith Ivory: yup
[17:50] Lilith Ivory: maybe PIO and chair of the guild chancelor and LRA having the password
[17:50] Lilith Ivory: and maybe SC chair also
[17:50] Fern Leissa: I'd probably add that the chancellor too and yes Sc
[17:50] Fern Leissa: oh. sorry you said chancellor lol
[17:50] Lilith Ivory: I tried to hehe
[17:51] Lilith Ivory: always have problems with that word 
[17:51] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[17:51] Fern Leissa: nah. I just have reading problems
[17:51] Lilith Ivory: Chance-Tor
[17:51] Fern Leissa: hehe
[17:51] Tor Karlsvalt: she doesn't like merkle Fern
[17:51] Lilith Ivory: indeed
[17:51] Fern Leissa: lol
[17:51] Fern Leissa: That explains the spelling
[17:52] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[17:52] Fern Leissa: hehe
[17:52] Fern Leissa: But we're off covenant...
[17:52] Lilith Ivory: uhm ..yes
[17:52] Fern Leissa: So how do we do this...
[17:52] Fern Leissa: I guess I'll try and rewrite keeping in mind we might reparcel
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[17:53] Fern Leissa: But I don't want to hold up a covenant re-write by waiting
[17:53] Tor Karlsvalt: one thing leadsto another.well
[17:53] Fern Leissa: We could always amend if we do get the reparceling..
[17:53] Tor Karlsvalt: we could maybe ask the NG to come up with a plan for newbie housing.
[17:53] Fern Leissa: And I can try and write up to allow for possible changes
[17:54] Fern Leissa: One more thing I want to make sure I bring up
[17:54] Fern Leissa: I've noticed that a lot of the successful communities have some sort of narrative in their about land tab
[17:55] Fern Leissa: To kind of explain the context. I don't think we've done that very well and I'd like to write up something for each sim and for CDS overall
[17:55] Fern Leissa: Thoughs on that?
[17:55] Lilith Ivory: sounds like a good idea
[17:56] Tor Karlsvalt: yes it is.
[17:56] Lilith Ivory: we still have problems to be found
[17:56] Fern Leissa: ??
[17:56] Tor Karlsvalt: I am learning that sims are full of problems.
[17:57] Fern Leissa: We have problems? No way
[17:57] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[17:57] Tor Karlsvalt: i think they are slowling bein ironed out
[17:57] Fern Leissa: Sorry Lilith.. where you refering to something in particular?
[17:57] Tor Karlsvalt: need to do something with the LV roles.
[17:57] Fern Leissa: LV??
[17:57] Lilith Ivory: uhm no
[17:58] Lilith Ivory: oh yes seems like Sonja has messed with those hehe
[17:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Land Verwaltung
[17:58] Tor Karlsvalt: they are jacked
[17:58] Fern Leissa: Too many people with right?
[17:58] Lilith Ivory: yes
[17:58] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[17:58] Tor Karlsvalt: and the chancellor can add ppl to roles but not remove them
[17:58] Tor Karlsvalt: nuts
[17:58] Lilith Ivory: Sonja used to add all DJs and hosts to that group
[17:58] Tor Karlsvalt: and we need a musican role
[17:58] Tor Karlsvalt: right
[17:58] Fern Leissa: How do you remove them?
[17:58] Lilith Ivory: just kick them out and re invite them
[17:59] Lilith Ivory: with a message before
[17:59] Tor Karlsvalt: all these DJ s have more rights than most ciitzens.
[17:59] Tor Karlsvalt: I can't
[17:59] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[17:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Rudeen must
[17:59] Lilith Ivory: ooh I see
[17:59] Tor Karlsvalt: relly jacked
[17:59] Tor Karlsvalt: really jacked
[17:59] Tor Karlsvalt: That is why we need roles that are under the chancellor.
[18:00] Fern Leissa: Then you should ask her to do that. I agree. Hard for you to be responsible if you've got gobs LV people
[18:00] Tor Karlsvalt: have to work on this
[18:01] Fern Leissa: Any more thoughts on LA covenants before we wrap up ?
[18:01] Lilith Ivory: hm... as an officer you should be able to eject members
[18:01] Tor Karlsvalt: I thought I was hearing that LL was going to make some changes but prolly shouldn't wait.
[18:01] Tor Karlsvalt: no you can't lil
[18:01] Tor Karlsvalt: officer can add but not eject.
[18:02] Tor Karlsvalt: we need an exec role with owner rithgts
[18:02] Lilith Ivory: I could lol
[18:02] Tor Karlsvalt: nope
[18:02] Lilith Ivory: want me to eject you ?
[18:02] Fern Leissa: hehe
[18:02] Fern Leissa: You can eject me. See if it works. I was added for tree planting
[18:02] Lilith Ivory: ah no I can´t eject other officers
[18:02] Lilith Ivory: just simple members
[18:03] Fern Leissa: I am a simple member I think. Try and kick me out kk?
[18:03] Tor Karlsvalt: hmmm, maybe i can.
[18:04] Tor Karlsvalt: but I had trouble before when I was trying to remove musicians.
[18:04] Lilith Ivory: I can eject a lot of people
[18:04] Lilith Ivory: maybe they got invitet into a to high level
[18:04] Fern Leissa: ok. Somebody eject me please
[18:04] Lilith Ivory: lol I could Fern hehe
[18:04] Lilith Ivory: but won´t
[18:04] Tor Karlsvalt: oh here is the problem,
[18:04] Tor Karlsvalt: you can't remove members from roles
[18:04] Fern Leissa: Ok Tor. You kick me out.
[18:05] Fern Leissa: What have I got to do to get kicked out ^^
[18:05] Lilith Ivory: lol why do you want that Fern?
[18:05] Fern Leissa: Cuz I don't need to be in, I'm short of group space, and it would be a good test
[18:05] Lilith Ivory: I won´t eject anybody who is able to plant spring trees
[18:05] Fern Leissa: lo;
[18:06] Tor Karlsvalt: ok I can do that
[18:06] Fern Leissa: I guess the covenant meeting is over if nobody has any more comments or question
[18:06] Fern Leissa: last call....
[18:06] Tor Karlsvalt: what i can't do is demote you from officer to everyone.
[18:07] Lilith Ivory: yea you might need to kick them out and re invite them
[18:07] Tor Karlsvalt: i suppose lil, but there is also a power that could be turned on.
[18:07] Tor Karlsvalt: that would be the easy thing to do.
[18:07] Lilith Ivory: yea
[18:07] Tor Karlsvalt: just make a role for chancellor with all the powers.
[18:08] Fern Leissa: ok. I'm LV free
[18:08] Tor Karlsvalt: except maybe deleting roles.
[18:08] Lilith Ivory: ooooh
[18:08] Fern Leissa: Alright Covenant meeting over