[12:10] Arria Perreault: the agenda is in the box
[12:10] Rosie Gray: SL misbehaving as usual
[12:10] Arria Perreault: the meeting is open
[12:11] Arria Perreault: I. ADMIN
a. Review this agenda. Approve any changes (5 min)
[12:11] Arria Perreault: does anyone has a new point for the agenda?
[12:11] Pip Torok: not me
[12:11] Fern Leissa: no
[12:11] Arria Perreault: is the agenda ok for you?
[12:12] Rosie Gray: not me either
[12:12] Pip Torok: yes
[12:12] Arria Perreault: Ok. next point : b. Inquire for speakers on today's agenda items.
[12:13] Arria Perreault: ok
[12:13] Bells Semyorka est connecté(e)
[12:13] Arria Perreault: c. Representative Assembly Rules of Procedure
[12:13] Pip Torok: hi Mizou!!
[12:13] Arria Perreault: Hi Mizou ㋡
[12:13] Rosie Gray: hello Mizou ㋡
[12:13] Fern Leissa: Hi Mizou 
[12:14] Soro Dagostino: Hello
[12:14] Mizou Vavoom: Hi Pip, hi Arria hi Fern
[12:14] Arria Perreault: The rules of procedure are in the portal ㋡
[12:14] Mizou Vavoom: i am just here to take a few pics is that ok?
[12:14] Arria Perreault: it's ok for me ㋡
[12:14] Fern Leissa: kk
[12:14] Mizou Vavoom: tkx
[12:14] Pip Torok: fine ... you have our best side!
[12:14] Rosie Gray: lol
[12:14] Arria Perreault: if you agree, citizen concerns are at the end of the agenda now
[12:15] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[12:15] Rosie Gray: you mean for every meeting?
[12:15] Pip Torok will see whether citizens have an objection to this
[12:15] Arria Perreault: do you want to keep them at the beginning?
[12:16] You decline The Flying Hawk Ranch - Hotel from A group member named guapitaa Eternal.
[12:16] Pip Torok: i feel it is fairer to those we represent, mme LRA
[12:16] Rosie Gray: I think that it might dissuade citizens from attending
[12:16] Rosie Gray: yes I agree with Pip
[12:16] Rosie Gray: with respect
[12:16] Arria Perreault: ok
[12:17] Arria Perreault: do we keep the rules as they are (citizen concerns at the beginning)?
[12:17] Pip Torok: i propose we do so
[12:17] Arria Perreault: second?
[12:17] Fern Leissa: I second
[12:17] Arria Perreault: vote
[12:17] Pip Torok: aye
[12:18] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:18] Sonja Strom: aye
[12:18] Arria Perreault: Rosie?
[12:18] Rosie Gray: aye
[12:19] Arria Perreault: aye
[12:19] Arria Perreault: motions carries
[12:19] Rosie Gray: sorry was that a motion?
[12:19] Rosie Gray: didn't see it worded as a motion
[12:19] Arria Perreault: no, but it was seconded
[12:19] Popea Heron est connecté(e)
[12:19] Rosie Gray: it's okay
[12:19] Arria Perreault: anyway we all agree
[12:19] Arria Perreault: I will give the floor to citizen aftern the admin part
[12:20] Arria Perreault: last point of the admin part: d Update of the CDS group and the and the portraits of the RA members (5 min)
[12:20] Arria Perreault: the portraits outside are updated. I th
[12:20] Bells Semyorka est déconnecté(e)
[12:21] Arria Perreault: I think that if you want a new picture or a new notecard, you can send it to Sudane
[12:21] Arria Perreault: the CDS group is also updated as you can see
[12:21] Arria Perreault: we can have the title of CDS Gov^t
[12:22] Arria Perreault: infortunately the rights in the forums were not yet updated
[12:22] Arria Perreault: I cannot post in the part dedicated to the RA announcement or discussion
[12:23] Arria Perreault: I have written to Delia
[12:23] Arria Perreault: Soro, do you have more informations?
[12:23] Arria Perreault: I cannot post the agenda and the transcriptions in the right place
[12:23] Soro Dagostino: None -- the Forum has been hacked again.
[12:23] Arria Perreault: really?
[12:24] Soro Dagostino: A multitude of hackers trying to log in.
[12:24] Arria Perreault: is it possible to make any changes in the rights?
[12:24] Rosie Gray damns the forum hackers
[12:24] Fern Leissa: really 
[12:24] Arria Perreault: yes, i agree it's a pity
[12:24] Soro Dagostino: I would think so, but I need to spend the time to see if the issue can be resloved.
[12:25] Arria Perreault: ok, Soro
[12:25] Pip Torok notes a rogue rejection from the so-called forumsadmin person ...
[12:26] Arria Perreault: can you inform us when you have new informations? it is important that we can use the forums
[12:26] Pip Torok: (whom he suspects is a hacker)
[12:26] Arria Perreault: maybe Gwyn could help
[12:26] Soro Dagostino: She knows far more than I.
[12:27] Arria Perreault: I suggest that you contact Gwyn to solve this problem
[12:27] Soro Dagostino: Moi?
[12:27] Arria Perreault: you or someone of the SC
[12:27] Pip Torok: may i suggest we request gwyn for a masterclass in the admin of the Forums?
[12:27] Arria Perreault: you are in chage for the forums
[12:27] Arria Perreault: charge*
[12:28] Rosie Gray: I think that's a good idea Pip
[12:29] Arria Perreault: I will write again to Delia, in the name of the RA
[12:29] Arria Perreault: We are done with the admin part now
[12:30] Arria Perreault: we can take the point "Concerns of Citizens" now
[12:30] Pip Torok: i have one mme lra ...
[12:31] Arria Perreault: Pip, you have the floor
[12:31] Pip Torok: lately put to me ... a request to take down the circustent now that Floralia is over
[12:31] Pip Torok: done
[12:31] Mizou Vavoom est déconnecté(e)
[12:31] Arria Perreault: in LA, you mean?
[12:32] Pip Torok: yes
[12:32] Arria Perreault: I will inform the Chancellor
[12:32] Arria Perreault: any other concern?
[12:32] Pip Torok: thank you
[12:32] Arria Perreault: II. ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED FROM PRIOR RA(-)
a. Citizen Bill Update (5 min)
[12:33] Arria Perreault: I have one item to be continued from the prior RA. it's an update of the citizen bill.
[12:34] Arria Perreault: there is a clarification to make about the sponsored parcels
[12:34] Arria Perreault: and especially the number of cicitzen who can sponsor a single parcel
[12:34] Arria Perreault: I will prepare an amendment for the next meeting
[12:35] Arria Perreault: Now we can take the III. NEW ITEMS
[12:35] Arria Perreault: a. RA Archivist (5 min)
[12:35] Arria Perreault: we need a RA Archivist
[12:37] Arria Perreault: the RA Archivist is responsible for the publication of the transcription of the meetings and the updates of Laws and Constitution
[12:37] Arria Perreault: the RA archivist get 2500 L$ a month for this work
[12:37] Fern Leissa: Who was the last RA archivist?
[12:37] Arria Perreault: I will oragnize an access to the portal
[12:37] Fern Leissa chuchote : Hi Kellie :0
[12:37] Arria Perreault: is there any volunteer?
[12:37] Pip Torok: was it Cindy?
[12:38] Rosie Gray: I think it was Cindy
[12:38] Mizou Vavoom est connecté(e)
[12:38] Fern Leissa: ah ok
[12:38] Sonja Strom: I volunteer.
[12:38] Arria Perreault: during the last term, Cindy was RA Archivist
[12:38] Fern Leissa:
[12:38] Arria Perreault: thank you Sonja:)
[12:38] Pip Torok: thank you, Sonja!
[12:38] Fern Leissa: An experienced hand would be great. Yes. thank you Sonja
[12:39] Arria Perreault: do all the RA members agree?
[12:39] Arria Perreault: I do ㋡
[12:39] Pip Torok: i agree
[12:39] Rosie Gray: I agree
[12:39] Fern Leissa: I agree
[12:39] Anna Toussaint est déconnecté(e)
[12:40] Arria Perreault: Thank you very much Sonja for volunteering. I will organize your access to the portal ㋡
[12:40] Sonja Strom:
[12:40] Arria Perreault: next point : b. RA discussion on this term's priorities (15 min)
[12:40] Arria Perreault: who wants the floor?
[12:40] Pip Torok raises hand
[12:40] Arria Perreault: Pip, you have the floor
[12:41] Guillaume Mistwalker est connecté(e)
[12:41] Pip Torok: imo we have three prioroies ... tier, covenants and finally kirche
[12:42] Pip Torok: i suggest we discuss tier first, then covenants, then kirche
[12:42] Sonja Strom *raises hand*
[12:42] Pip Torok: done
[12:42] Thinkerer Melville est connecté(e)
[12:42] Arria Perreault: bye tier, you mean what Trebor has started with his commission?
[12:42] Pip Torok: yes
[12:42] Arria Perreault: thank you
[12:42] Arria Perreault: who wants to to talk now?
[12:43] Sonja Strom *raises hand*
[12:43] Arria Perreault: Sonja, you have the floor
[12:43] Sonja Strom: I believe an important issue for us is attracting new people, and new citizens.
[12:43] Sonja Strom: Thank you.
[12:43] Arria Perreault: thank you
[12:43] Arria Perreault: other ideas?
[12:44] Rosie Gray raises hand
[12:44] Arria Perreault: Rosie, you have the floor
[12:44] Rosie Gray: I was thinking the same, about attracting new people
[12:44] Rosie Gray: to me this is very important
[12:44] Arria Perreault: yes, I think it is very important too
[12:44] Rosie Gray: and I just wanted to say that I think that all of these issues mentioned tie in with it
[12:44] Rosie Gray: done
[12:45] Pip Torok agrees with Rosie
[12:45] Sonja Strom too
[12:45] Arria Perreault: thank you
[12:45] You decline Sweet Whispers ~ Magnolia Design, Sweet Whisper (184, 236, 21) from A group member named guapitaa Eternal.
[12:45] Arria Perreault: Fern, do you have priorities too?
[12:46] Fern Leissa: I agree with what has been said. That attracting new pp is impt
[12:46] Fern Leissa: And that resetting tier and redeveloping the sims is part of that
[12:46] Fern Leissa: Maybe I would add that we need to look at what types of programs/activities we want to have
[12:46] Fern Leissa: done
[12:47] Arria Perreault: thank you, Fern
[12:47] Arria Perreault: I would add two points: the animations of the sims and the financial situation of CDS
[12:48] Arria Perreault: I hope that you had the opportunity to read the budget of Tor. I think it is the time to react to get enought citizen to cover the costs of our sims.
[12:48] Rosie Gray raises hand
[12:48] Arria Perreault: Rosie, you have the floor
[12:49] Rosie Gray: I am not clear on what you mean by "animations of the sims" Arria, can you please explain?
[12:49] Pip Torok hopes that a link to the budget becomes available at this meeting ..
[12:49] Arria Perreault: Yes, we have have too many opportunities to meet now
[12:50] Troy Kronfeld est connecté(e)
[12:51] Arria Perreault: as animations, we can have concerts or partie that costs something or other kind of animations. For me it is important that cicitzen an non-citizen get opportunities to meet to be together, like making projects together. It is important for the community.
[12:51] Rosie Gray: aah... entertainments then
[12:51] Rosie Gray smiles
[12:52] Arria Perreault: well ... not only entertainment
[12:52] Sonja Strom: events
[12:52] Rosie Gray: yes events, okay thanks
[12:52] Soro Dagostino: Pip: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreads ... n_US#gid=0
[12:52] Fern Leissa: Yes. I see.. like discussions or events
[12:52] Pip Torok: thank you soro!
[12:52] Sonja Strom: Thank you, Soro
[12:53] Arria Perreault: I think that projects belong to this too, like building, education, culture, ...
[12:53] Arria Perreault: we can organize contests, treasure hunts, ...
[12:53] Rosie Gray: I agree
[12:53] Fern Leissa: Yes I agree Arria.
[12:54] Arria Perreault: it's very open. we have to think about and to be active
[12:54] Rosie Gray: it's also a lot of work
[12:54] Arria Perreault: other priorities?
[12:54] Rosie Gray raises hand
[12:54] Arria Perreault: Rosie
[12:55] Rosie Gray: I think that upgrading the sims... well some aspects of the sims is also important
[12:55] Rosie Gray: as I have initiated with the Kirche in NFS
[12:55] Arria Perreault: can you explain what do you mean by upgrading?
[12:55] Rosie Gray: there are many other things that could do with upgrading
[12:55] Bagheera Kristan est déconnecté(e)
[12:56] Pip Torok strongly agrees
[12:56] Arria Perreault: improvements of buildings and urbanism ?
[12:56] Fern Leissa: I agree also. Both builds and landscaping
[12:56] Rosie Gray: yes, and also landscaping
[12:56] Rosie Gray: yes
[12:56] Sonja Strom: hello Brian!
[12:56] Arria Perreault: Hi Brian ㋡
[12:56] Fern Leissa: Hello Brian
[12:56] Pip Torok: hi Bri!
[12:56] Sonja Strom: welcome : )
[12:56] Arria Perreault: nice to see you ㋡
[12:56] Brian Livingston neaks in, late as awalys, and waves
[12:57] Rosie Gray: hello Brian ㋡
[12:57] Fern Leissa:
[12:57] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[12:57] Brian Livingston: Hi all Don't let me interrupt!
[12:57] Rosie Gray: and to continue
[12:57] Arria Perreault: we are talking about the priorities of the term
[12:57] Rosie Gray: I think that upgrading the sim looks are quite important when it comes to attracting people, and indeed in retaining the people we have
[12:57] Arria Perreault: other priorities?
[12:57] Fern Leissa: I'd like to support Rosie's suggest
[12:58] Arria Perreault: I agree, Rosie
[12:58] Pip Torok wd suggest that the RA have given their opinion ...
[12:58] Fern Leissa: I'd add that perhaps the way to start is to try and come up with a list of priorities re sim upgrades
[12:58] Arria Perreault: a list of things that have to be rebuilded?
[12:59] Fern Leissa: Or re landscaped
[12:59] Arria Perreault: ok
[12:59] Rosie Gray: yes ㋡
[12:59] Fern Leissa: And not all just some of the impt ones
[12:59] Arria Perreault: do we need a commission to make such a list?
[13:00] Rosie Gray: might be a good idea
[13:00] Pip Torok: I wd suggest not ... otherwise a commission might well just go round in circles ...
[13:00] Rosie Gray: oh, good point Pip
[13:01] Rosie Gray: but someone needs to take a lead on it
[13:01] Fern Leissa: So what might be a better way to get ths going?
[13:01] Arria Perreault: I agree that someone has to take the lead
[13:01] Pip Torok: an informal meet of the 5 of us perhaps?
[13:01] Arria Perreault: or a Town Hall with citizen
[13:01] Fern Leissa: I would suggest Rosie than.
[13:02] Rosie Gray: I don't mind organizing it
[13:02] Fern Leissa: And yes also a meeting w/ citizesn
[13:02] Pip Torok: if youre willing rosie i wd support you as leader
[13:02] Arria Perreault: I will organize the Town Hall and Rosie is in charge of the list
[13:03] Fern Leissa:
[13:04] Rosie Gray: what do you mean by list?
[13:04] Arria Perreault: I make the announcemen of the meeting. At the end, instead of the protocol Rosie makes a list of all proposed changes
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt est connecté(e)
[13:04] Fern Leissa: We might also want to look to Rosie to make recommendations too, from amoung the suggestions by citizens
[13:04] Soro Dagostino: me/ raises hands
[13:04] Rosie Gray: but if we don't get enough participation
[13:04] Rosie Gray: I propose we start with a town hall
[13:04] Rosie Gray: oops , sorry chat lag
[13:04] Fern Leissa: Some are likely to be more practical
[13:05] Soro Dagostino: me/ raises hand
[13:05] Arria Perreault: I think it's a good topic for a town hall
[13:05] Arria Perreault: Soro
[13:05] Rosie Gray raises hand
[13:05] Soro Dagostino: At tthe town hall, are you going to ask for input from the citizens, or just tell them what you are considering?
[13:06] Arria Perreault: to ask them for inputs, I think
[13:06] Rosie Gray raises hand
[13:06] Soro Dagostino: So noted.
[13:06] Arria Perreault: Rosie
[13:06] Rosie Gray: I think this is a good way to start
[13:06] Rosie Gray: but I do not want to drag it out forever
[13:06] Rosie Gray: so, if we don't get much feedback within a reasonable amount of time
[13:07] Mathoni Zuhrah est déconnecté(e)
[13:07] Rosie Gray: I would expect to approach specific people for their feedback
[13:07] Rosie Gray: and go from there
[13:07] Arria Perreault: ok
[13:07] Rosie Gray: hello Tor
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Rosie, Arria and all
[13:08] Fern Leissa: Hi Tor
[13:09] Sonja Strom: Greetings Mr. Chancellor!
[13:09] Arria Perreault: do all RA members agree with a Town Hall about sims upgrade?
[13:09] Arria Perreault: Hi Tor ㋡
[13:09] Fern Leissa: yes
[13:09] Rosie Gray: yes
[13:09] Sonja Strom: aye
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Fern, Sonja, and Pip
[13:09] Arria Perreault: I agree too
[13:09] Arria Perreault: Pip, do you agree too?
[13:10] Pip Torok: sorry can you update me?
[13:10] Pip Torok: yes ... I agree
[13:10] Arria Perreault: with the Town Hall about sims upgrade
[13:10] Arria Perreault: ok
[13:10] Mizou Vavoom est déconnecté(e)
[13:10] Arria Perreault: do we use a date of a normal RA meeting, like next sunday?
[13:10] Pip Torok: (sorry mme lra ... was multitasking)
[13:11] Arria Perreault: np, Pip ㋡
[13:11] Rosie Gray raises hand
[13:11] Arria Perreault: Rosie
[13:11] Rosie Gray: I think we should make an announcement now, so that people will have time to think about it and make some lists
[13:12] Rosie Gray: if they are interested ㋡
[13:12] Arria Perreault: yes, of course
[13:12] Arria Perreault: we will annouce it through several channels
[13:13] Arria Perreault: do you agree about next sunday or is it too soon?
[13:13] Rosie Gray: sounds good ㋡
[13:13] Pip Torok agrees with next sunday
[13:13] Arria Perreault: Sonja, Fern?
[13:13] Fern Leissa: Next Sunday is fine w/ me. I cannot make it but would be happy to give my ideas to Rosie
[13:14] Rosie Gray: thanks Fern
[13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: sounds like a plan.
[13:14] Thinkerer Melville est déconnecté(e)
[13:14] Arria Perreault: I think it will also possible to contribue throught the forum
[13:14] Arria Perreault: Sonja?
[13:14] You decline Sweet Whispers ~ Magnolia Design, Sweet Whisper (184, 236, 21) from A group member named guapitaa Eternal.
[13:14] Sonja Strom: I think next Sunday is good.
[13:14] Rosie Gray: it's not as though we have to make the complete definitive list all at once
[13:15] Arria Perreault: of course
[13:15] Fern Leissa: Right Just something to get us started and give us focus
[13:15] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[13:16] Arria Perreault: for the record, we have decided to make a Town Hall on next sunday about the topic "Sims Upgrade". Rosie will be in charge to produce a list of possible upgrades after the meeting. I will announce the meeting throug several channels.
[13:16] Arria Perreault: thank you
[13:16] Arria Perreault: Next point : c. Survey about a new Kirche in NFS (15 min)
[13:17] Arria Perreault: Rosie, may I give you the floor
[13:17] Rosie Gray: thanks Arria
[13:17] Rosie Gray: well, I really wasn't looking to do a survey as such
[13:17] Rosie Gray: but there has been a very active thread on the forum about it
[13:18] Arria Perreault: do you have the link?
[13:18] Rosie Gray: yes one moment
[13:18] Rosie Gray: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3470
[13:18] Arria Perreault: paste alos the link for the pictures in Flickr ㋡
[13:18] Rosie Gray: it has inspired some good dialogue
[13:18] Rosie Gray: the links for photos are in the forum
[13:19] Rosie Gray: but I can give them again if you like
[13:19] Rosie Gray: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rosie_gray ... 820123099/
[13:19] Rosie Gray: there are pics of the new church
[13:20] Rosie Gray: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rosie_gray ... 907782670/
[13:20] Rosie Gray: and there are pics of the old church
[13:20] Pip Torok: I notice that the general tenor is _for_ the structure ... tho saying that is a gross simplification ...
[13:21] Rosie Gray: there is a lot of discussion about what should be inside of it, in regards to altar and specific religious iconography
[13:22] Rosie Gray: but, nobody has disagreed that the old church needs replacing
[13:22] Pip Torok: imo there are two principles more or less in conflict : the feelings of citizens about that iconography versus the authenticity of it in regards to a bavarian church of that time
[13:23] Tor Karlsvalt est connecté(e)
[13:23] Rosie Gray nods
[13:23] Rosie Gray: there has been an interesting suggestion
[13:23] Rosie Gray: made by Moonrise
[13:24] Rosie Gray: to create a few different scenarios in regards to the altarpiece, that could be rezzed depending on what you prefer there at the time
[13:24] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:24] Fern Leissa: wb
[13:24] Pip Torok: oh dear:)
[13:24] Rosie Gray: press a button, and you have candles and flowers, no altar
[13:24] Rosie Gray: wb Tor and Brian
[13:25] Fern Leissa: I saw that Rosie. I'm not sure I like that idea but haven't come up with a good reason not to
[13:25] Rosie Gray: press another button and you have Wiccan... etc.
[13:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Some of you may not know that Brian buid a good deel of CN I believe.
[13:25] Fern Leissa: Yes
[13:25] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[13:25] Rosie Gray: oh really ㋡
[13:25] Pip Torok: the question imo is: how time-consuming wd that be for Rosie ... and wd it become a never-ending elaboration of the structure/
[13:26] Arria Perreault: the amphitheater for example
[13:26] Rosie Gray: nice work Brian
[13:27] Arria Perreault: I think hat we don't have to discuss all details in the RA, but only the procedure of replacement and the accepance of the new build
[13:27] Arria Perreault: and also the archive of the old building
[13:27] Brian Livingston: /smile
[13:27] Thinkerer Melville est connecté(e)
[13:28] Pip Torok recalls software projects that "grew like Mopsy" and wasted inordinate time ...)
[13:28] Rosie Gray: you are right Pip!
[13:28] Fern Leissa: Could we roll the Kirche discussion into the sim upgrade mtg?
[13:29] Arria Perreault: I have read quickly the forum thread. there are some emotional points of view about the current church. Except Aliasi and Sudane, other "old" citizen did not contribute
[13:29] Arria Perreault: yes, Fern, it's a good idea
[13:29] Rosie Gray: I agree with Fern and let's move on
[13:29] Arria Perreault: is there a LM to visit the new church?
[13:30] Rosie Gray: I have described in the forum how to find it, but I didn't make a LM
[13:30] Thinkerer Melville est déconnecté(e)
[13:30] Pip Torok did not contribute because in his opinion, personal feeling and aesthetic taste are very personal matters...
[13:30] Arria Perreault: do all RA member agree to add the Church to the list of sims upgrade?
[13:30] Pip Torok: yes!
[13:30] Fern Leissa: yes
[13:31] Sonja Strom: yes
[13:31] Rosie Gray: yes
[13:31] Arria Perreault: I agree too
[13:31] Arria Perreault: thank you
[13:31] Arria Perreault: Next point : d. CDS Budget (15 min)
[13:31] Arria Perreault: Tor, you have the floor
[13:31] Arria Perreault: we got the link where is the budget
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
[13:32] Arria Perreault: https://spreadsheets0.google.com/spread ... n_US#gid=0
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: you all have the link?
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: thank you.
[13:32] Delia Lake est connecté(e)
[13:32] Rosie Gray: yes thanks
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't know if you have had a chance to review the budget.
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: There are two pages.
[13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: the second page is just notes that may help you understand some of the numbers.
[13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Basically the sims take in more than enough to cover LL tier.
[13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: That should be understood.
[13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: However, considering rather modest operationg expences, we will run a small dificit.
[13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: it should be no more than about 150 usd for the term
[13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: That of course assumes tier at the current constant and that we spend all that is proposed.
[13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: As you can see, we have reserves of over 14K USD.
[13:35] Pip Torok: 150$?
[13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, Pip
[13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: naturally that could change.
[13:36] Pip Torok: ah ...
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: we could get more revenue
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: or we might spend less.
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: or the RA might decide to spend money on upgrades.
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't see any problem actually.
[13:37] Arria Perreault: I think we have to make a difference between the normal budget and extraordinary expenses based on programs. Sims upgrade is a program in my point of view.
[13:37] Tor Karlsvalt: I would agree Arria
[13:38] Pip Torok: me too
[13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Still, even at that we have money to cover upgrades.
[13:38] Rosie Gray: yes we do
[13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: and frankly a little money spent there is well spent
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I think i have added enough notes in the budget tho so that it is fairly self explanitory.
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Naturally projected revenue is an estimate.
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I chose to take an average of the revenue for the last five months.
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: to arrive at what might be expected each month.
[13:40] Pip Torok realises how having 2 monitors eases the problems of viewing budgets!
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: oo lucky you pip
[13:41] Pip Torok: (unlucky Tor, they still a twinkle in my eye! )
[13:41] Rosie Gray raises hand
[13:42] Arria Perreault: we can discuss your budget now
[13:42] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[13:42] Thinkerer Melville est connecté(e)
[13:42] Arria Perreault: Rosie, you have the floor
[13:42] Rosie Gray: thank you Arria
[13:42] Rosie Gray: I was just wondering about the line item for Radio Riel
[13:42] Arria Perreault: Tor?
[13:42] Rosie Gray: it is quite a lot of money
[13:42] Rosie Gray: and I was wondering if there is any mechanism to know how it does for us
[13:43] Rosie Gray: if there's any feedback from people for example?
[13:43] Rosie Gray: finished
[13:43] Arria Perreault: Tor
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: well, i am not sure really
[13:44] Tor Karlsvalt: I do hear our PSA from time to time.
[13:44] Pip Torok: I can attest about the publicity it gives us, Rosie ... unfortunately, as with all advertising, its very difficult to assess the outcome of it...
[13:44] Tor Karlsvalt: I can get you the figures for RR. They have quite a number of listeners.
[13:44] Rosie Gray: yes I agree on those points
[13:44] Rosie Gray: but I was wondering
[13:44] Rosie Gray: has anyone ever said, I heard the psa and came to see for myself?
[13:45] Pip Torok: not to me, sorry to say, Rosie
[13:45] Arria Perreault: I never listem to RR
[13:45] Rosie Gray: and may I ask, how long have we been sponsoring it?
[13:46] Tor Karlsvalt est déconnecté(e)
[13:46] Rosie Gray: oops we have lost Herr Chancellor again
[13:46] Fern Leissa chuchote : Oh oh. Watch those tough questions Rosie
[13:46] Arria Perreault: yes
[13:46] You decline http://streams.slowradio.com/mp3, Windy Shores (178, 156, 22) from A group member named guapitaa Eternal.
[13:46] Ingeborg Apfelbaum est déconnecté(e)
[13:47] Arria Perreault: I think it's a good question
[13:47] Fern Leissa: Hopefully he will return
[13:47] Troy Kronfeld est déconnecté(e)
[13:47] Arria Perreault: we could invest this money in other types of advertising, like adds
[13:47] Sonja Strom: I can help to answer the question of how long we have been sponsoring it.
[13:47] Rosie Gray: well they actually are ads
[13:47] Rosie Gray: because PSA's are free
[13:47] Fern Leissa: Sonja ?
[13:47] Rosie Gray: so since we are paying, they are ads
[13:48] Sonja Strom: This sponsorship came up last summer,
[13:48] Thinkerer Melville est déconnecté(e)
[13:48] Arria Perreault: adds in the search engine of SL, I mean
[13:48] Mizou Vavoom est connecté(e)
[13:49] Sonja Strom: at the request of the Europa Consul in the CDS, Baron Klaus Wulfenbach.
[13:49] Arria Perreault: we have still 10 min for the meetin. At 2 pm, we have the ball.
[13:49] Fern Leissa: I think it important that we have something to advertise... events, art exhibitions, discussions, etc
[13:49] Bagheera Kristan est connecté(e)
[13:50] Rosie Gray: I think we might consider moving the advertising dollars around a bit
[13:50] Sonja Strom: At that time I was Chancellor, and I agreed to a "Normal" level of sponsorship.
[13:50] Arria Perreault: the law gives us two possibilies: accept the budget or return it to the Chancellor for modifications
[13:50] Sonja Strom: I did that to help foster goodwill between our communities and to advertise the CDS as a friend of the station,
[13:51] Sonja Strom: that is, Radio Riel.
[13:51] Fern Leissa: I prefer more discussion. So return
[13:51] Rosie Gray: I agree with Fern's suggestion
[13:51] Sonja Strom: Tor has wanted to continue this sponsorship.
[13:51] Rosie Gray: thanks Sonja
[13:51] Arria Perreault: 3. The Representative Assembly may approve the budget as posted, send it back for revision or reject it, within thirty days of posting.
4. Revisions must be made by the Chancellor within 14 days of the response from the RA. Failure by the Chancellor to revise and re-post shall be deemed a rejection of the budget.
[13:52] Arria Perreault: do you want to conntinue the discussion in 2 weeks?
[13:53] Pip Torok: I move we table the item until the next RA meeting
[13:53] Sonja Strom: I have a question about the budget, but maybe others here could answer it.
[13:53] Arria Perreault: second?
[13:53] Rosie Gray: I second that motion
[13:53] Arria Perreault: Sonja, ask you question. then we can vote
[13:53] Sonja Strom: alright
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt est connecté(e)
[13:53] Fern Leissa: I'm sorry but can we table it or do we have to reject?
[13:54] Rosie Gray: we have 30 days
[13:54] Arria Perreault: we have 30 days
[13:54] Fern Leissa: kk
[13:54] Fern Leissa: From today?
[13:54] Pip Torok: yes
[13:54] Arria Perreault: from publication
[13:54] Rosie Gray: wb Tor
[13:54] Tor Karlsvalt: did we all crash?
[13:55] Sonja Strom: welcome back, Tor
[13:55] Rosie Gray: no, just you
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: oh no
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[13:55] Pip Torok stands corrected
[13:55] Sonja Strom: we saw you fall, hehee
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry about that
[13:55] Arria Perreault: Tor has published the budget on 9 June
[13:55] Arria Perreault: Tor, we are going to postpone the discussion about the budget for the next meetin
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:55] Arria Perreault: Sonja, your question
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: no problem
[13:56] Sonja Strom: Thanks,
[13:56] Sonja Strom: yes, Tor, I have a question about the budget.
[13:56] Tor Karlsvalt: a am still waiting for the dj
[13:56] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[13:56] Sonja Strom: There is a new role and expense there since I last was in the CDS government.
[13:56] Sonja Strom: I am curious what the Commerce Coordinator does for 2600 per month.
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: well they coordinate commerce.
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: really this position was established by the RA in the 13th term
[13:57] Arria Perreault: right
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: Keila was our first coordinatior
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: she was responsible for setting up vendor stalls and conducted a survey of CDS vendors
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: she did a good job at Floralia and earlier at the Christmas market.
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: I think she has some trouble getting ppl to comply with er survey, but she published the results.
[13:59] Arria Perreault: good
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: as you can see
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: I have named Terbor to that position.
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: First Sudane requested that she have an assistant bookkeeper.
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: especially to assist with hippo
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: rather than creatiing a new positioin I decided to give that duty to the coordinator.
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: otherwise I was going to pay him about 1500
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: I added the position of asst bookkeeper with out a salary only as sort of a placeholder.
[14:01] Arria Perreault: will Trebor also some work for the commerce coordination?
[14:01] Sonja Strom: Thank you for your answer. I understand, and agree...
[14:01] Rosie Gray notes that the ball is supposed to be starting now
[14:01] Sonja Strom: also with Arria's question.
[14:01] Sonja Strom: Do we have a concept of what commerce will be coordinated this term?
[14:02] Arria Perreault: (Rosie, I know. My dress is ready 
)
[14:02] Fern Leissa: hehe
[14:02] Alexia Carnell est connecté(e)
[14:02] Arria Perreault: Tor, can you answer this last question
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: yes I expect him to do both jobs.
[14:02] Arria Perreault: then we vote for postponin
[14:02] Pip Torok is already dressed for the part!
[14:02] Sonja Strom: We can put this conversation on hold until the next RA meeting
[14:02] Arria Perreault: thank you
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: naturally there is the Oktoberfest stalls.
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: well we need a dj
[14:02] Bells Semyorka est connecté(e)
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: she isn't on
[14:03] Arria Perreault: Before we vote to postposn the discussion, I ask the RA members to ask other questions in the forums
[14:03] Fern Leissa: ok
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: a bit perplexed as she was all excited.
[14:03] Arria Perreault: we hope that she will come
[14:03] Sonja Strom: I had difficutly logging in. Maybe that's it.
[14:04] Arria Perreault: now we can vote
[14:04] Fern Leissa: A little bit of wine and some dance balls and we'll be fine even if she doesn't make it
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[14:04] Sonja Strom: hehe
[14:04] Arria Perreault: all RA members who agree to postpone the discussion of the budget say aye
[14:04] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:04] Sonja Strom: aye
[14:04] Pip Torok: aye
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: ok my mistake
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: she is online
[14:05] Pip Torok: hooray!
[14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: these display names are driving me nutty
[14:05] Arria Perreault: I say aye
[14:05] Arria Perreault: Rosie?
[14:05] Fern Leissa chuchote : Rose is looking in her closet
[14:05] Rosie Gray: lol, sorry
[14:05] Rosie Gray: aye
[14:05] Arria Perreault: thank you
[14:05] Sonja Strom: hehe
[14:06] Arria Perreault: I propose that we adjourn now
[14:06] Arria Perreault: I need a motion
[14:06] Pip Torok: seconded
[14:06] Sonja Strom: second
[14:06] Arria Perreault: vote
[14:06] Sonja Strom: third
[14:06] Sonja Strom: aye
[14:06] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:06] Pip Torok: aye
[14:06] Rosie Gray: aye
[14:06] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[14:06] Arria Perreault: aye
[14:06] Arria Perreault: we are adjourned
