[12:04] Arria Perreault: we can start the meeting
[12:04] Fern Leissa: Oh. ok Trebor. You look fine... but it was worrying 
[12:04] Arria Perreault: I. ADMIN
[12:04] Fern Leissa: Hi Sandra
[12:05] Arria Perreault: Hi Sandra
[12:05] Arria Perreault: a. Review this agenda
[12:05] Sandra Galdonaldo: Good evening all:)
[12:05] Arria Perreault: The agenda is in the box
[12:05] Arria Perreault: It was published on the CDS forum on friday
[12:06] Arria Perreault: do you agree with this agenda?
[12:06] Pip Torok: yes
[12:06] Fern Leissa: yes
[12:06] Rosie Gray: yes
[12:06] Fern Leissa: Hi Calli
[12:06] Pip Torok: hi Calli
[12:06] Arria Perreault: Hi Calli
[12:06] Callipygian Christensen: hi everyone
[12:07] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Hello Calli, good to see you.
[12:07] Arria Perreault: can we keep this agenda?
[12:07] Fern Leissa: yes
[12:07] Pip Torok: yes
[12:07] Rosie Gray: yes
[12:08] Arria Perreault: b. 7-day votes
[12:08] Arria Perreault: Sonja cannot attend the meeting today. She has asked for a 7-day vote
[12:08] Arria Perreault: c. Inquire for speakers on today's agenda items
[12:09] Arria Perreault: who wants to speak today (non-RA members)
[12:09] Arria Perreault: ?
[12:09] Fern Leissa: Hi Moonrise
[12:09] Rosie Gray: hi Moonrise
[12:09] Pip Torok: hi Moonrise ... long time!
[12:10] Moonrise Azalee: hi!
[12:10] Rosie Gray: 
[12:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Hi Moonrise
[12:10] Moonrise Azalee: hi!
[12:10] Arria Perreault: Hi Azalee
[12:10] Bagheera Kristan is Online
[12:10] Moonrise Azalee: just rezzing... slowly
[12:10] Moonrise Azalee: Hello Arria
[12:11] Pip Torok: slow rezzings are good for the moon ... 
[12:11] Arria Perreault: I'd like to remind the attendance that the RA has rules of procedures: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=281
[12:11] Moonrise Azalee: lol.
[12:11] Arria Perreault: Please raise you hand before to speak
[12:11] Arria Perreault: I have one point under Informations
[12:11] Arria Perreault: a. Information from the SC meeting
[12:12] Arria Perreault: I have requested a ruling to the SC about the question of the article 22 of the New Guild Charter. The SC has met. I want to thank the SC to have organized a meeting quickly.
[12:14] Arria Perreault: The SC has considered that the New Guild has to solve the question of the membership of its newly elected Secretary
[12:14] Arria Perreault: The SC has considered that the New Guild is a private organization.
[12:15] Arria Perreault: the fact that the RA has approved the Charter of the New Guild was not seen as a sign of a special link between the any CDS governmental branch and the New Guild
[12:16] Arria Perreault: I have commented this decision in the forum
[12:16] Aileen Zessinthal is Offline
[12:16] Arria Perreault: I mention two things here:
[12:16] Arria Perreault: first: the SC did not invalidate our votes (it was my main concern)
[12:17] Arria Perreault: second: the decision of the SC opens other questions like the relation and the collaboration between the New Guild and the CDS gov
[12:18] Arria Perreault: one of this question is in the agenda (Estate power)
[12:19] Arria Perreault: Now the question of the article 22 is in the hands of the New Guild
[12:19] Arria Perreault: any question or comment?
[12:19] Fern Leissa: may I?
[12:19] Arria Perreault: yes, Fern
[12:19] Pip Torok: yes ... first of all ... do we know the the NG currently exists?
[12:20] Valibrarian Gregg is Online
[12:20] Pip Torok: second ... who now represents the NG?
[12:20] Pip Torok: (sorry Fern!)
[12:20] Fern Leissa: I don't know that the ra has any jurisdiction here.. but I would like to suggest that we
[12:20] Rosie Gray raises hand
[12:20] Fern Leissa: recommend that Rosie call a NG meeting and that the nG]
[12:21] Fern Leissa: NG vote on whether or not they wish to amend the requirement that the NG head cannot hold a governmental posit
[12:21] Fern Leissa: position.
[12:22] Fern Leissa: I'd also like to recommend that the NG look to review and perhaps simplify its charter
[12:22] Fern Leissa: As the size of the population does not warrent such a complicated structure... and
[12:22] Fern Leissa: probably cannot support it
[12:22] Fern Leissa: done
[12:22] Arria Perreault: The SC considers that the NG is a private organization. I understand that we don't have any juridiction on the NG. We can only make an advice.
[12:22] Arria Perreault: Rosie?
[12:23] Pip Torok raises hand
[12:23] Arria Perreault: Rosie has raised hand
[12:23] Rosie Gray: I was just going to say, that I would call a meeting of the NG soon
[12:23] Rosie Gray: date and time tba
[12:24] Arria Perreault: do you intend to take this point in the agenda?
[12:25] Rosie Gray: sorry, I'm not sure what you are asking me?
[12:26] Arria Perreault: do you intend to take the question of the article 22 of the NG Charter in the agenda?
[12:26] Rosie Gray: I think that the Agenda will be decided sometime later
[12:26] Rosie Gray: it doesn't matter at the moment
[12:27] Rosie Gray: but of course everyone's concerns will be addressed
[12:28] Arria Perreault: I think it is a concern for this meeting (at least from me)
[12:28] Rosie Gray: no Agenda is prepared right now Arria
[12:28] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises Hand
[12:28] Arria Perreault: Trebor
[12:28] Rosie Gray: but it would seem necessary to address the charter
[12:29] Trebor Warcliffe: The New Guild
Group Description: The New Guild is a public-chartered, non-profit, non-partisan, Non-Governmental Organization that is open to all citizens of the CDS. The New Guild mission incorporates organizing, planning, and executing high-quality content, while providing on-going education and certification of content-creation skills.
[12:29] Trebor Warcliffe: This isnt an RA concern can we please move on to RA concerns.
[12:29] Pip Torok hopes his raised hand is noticed
[12:29] Arria Perreault: Pip (sorry)
[12:30] Pip Torok: just to say .. that we shd keep in mind that our stance to NG (and SC) should be primarily advisory although in the last analysis we are the legislative body
[12:30] Pip Torok: done
[12:31] Arria Perreault: thank you Pip (you're right)
[12:31] Arria Perreault: II. Concerns of Citizens
[12:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
[12:32] Arria Perreault: who wants to speak?
[12:32] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
[12:32] Arria Perreault: Trebor
[12:32] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes thank you
[12:32] Trebor Warcliffe: May I ask who has teh ability to update the web portal?
[12:33] Arria Perreault: yes, of course
[12:33] Arria Perreault: I can inform you easely
[12:33] Arria Perreault: maybe two points: the law and the reality
[12:33] Trebor Warcliffe: ok?
[12:35] Arria Perreault: the communication bill say that the LRA, the Chancellor and the Dean of the SC should have access to all official communication channels ofCDS
[12:35] Trebor Warcliffe: ok
[12:35] Arria Perreault: of course the PIO should also have the ability to update the portal
[12:35] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes and maybe the Content Archivist
[12:36] Trebor Warcliffe: So who CURRENLTY has access to it?
[12:36] Arria Perreault: yes of course
[12:36] Arria Perreault: now the reality and maybe a point about the history of the portal
[12:36] Trebor Warcliffe: I have two concerns regarding this matter, that is why I am asking these questions.
[12:36] Arria Perreault: I was PIO when Alexicon Kurka was Chancellor. we have created this portal with Mizou Vavoom
[12:37] Trebor Warcliffe: ok
[12:37] Arria Perreault: right now, only me and Sonja have an access
[12:38] Arria Perreault: I try to update it regularly
[12:38] Trebor Warcliffe: Why do only you and Sonja have access currently?
[12:38] Arria Perreault: I offer also regularly the possibility to have an access to everyone who should have this ability to update
[12:39] Trebor Warcliffe: So you do have the ability to grant access to the other citizens who shold have access?
[12:39] Arria Perreault: I have make sure that the Content Archivist get an acces at every term
[12:40] Fern Leissa: / raises hand
[12:40] Arria Perreault: I ask Alexicon
[12:40] Trebor Warcliffe: I'm speaking currently for this term. Tor the chancellor, Anna the PIO, Soro the head of the SC
[12:40] Trebor Warcliffe: My two points are this
[12:40] Arria Perreault: I was going to write to Soro
[12:40] Arria Perreault: Anna and Tor can have an access at any time
[12:40] Arria Perreault: it's not closed, Trebor
[12:41] Trebor Warcliffe: One it has been almost two weeks that I sent an email to Arria, Tor, and Sudane to edit the link for the Master Parcel List
[12:41] Arria Perreault: Anna has preferred to open a blog beside the portal
[12:41] Trebor Warcliffe: Yet it still hasnt been posted
[12:41] Trebor Warcliffe: My second concern adn a much greater concern
[12:41] Arria Perreault: I will do it, Trebor. I came from my holidays today
[12:41] Trebor Warcliffe: There is a LOT of information on teh web portal that is either out of date or no longer pertinent
[12:41] Sandra Galdonaldo: good nite all:)
[12:41] josjoha Resident: nighty san
[12:42] Fern Leissa: Good night Sandra
[12:42] Arria Perreault: (Soro and I, we should also get an access to the CDS blog )
[12:42] Trebor Warcliffe: Wouldnt it benefit teh community as a whole to have more than just two people to currently have access?
[12:42] Rosie Gray: goodnight Sandra
[12:42] Trebor Warcliffe: Im sure it would ease the workload for Arria and Sonja
[12:42] Arria Perreault: our intention was to share this, of course
[12:43] Arria Perreault: ask Anna again
[12:43] Trebor Warcliffe: I've been working on a checklist
[12:43] Trebor Warcliffe: of items i noticed that need to be edited
[12:43] Pip Torok agrees with treb as long as we do not get chaos as a result
[12:43] Trebor Warcliffe: If you like I can post this to the forum
[12:43] Trebor Warcliffe: and those responsible can update accordingly
[12:43] Arria Perreault: as far as I know, I don't think that she wants an access
[12:43] Arria Perreault: yes,please post it
[12:43] Arria Perreault: it's useful
[12:43] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[12:43] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok I will
[12:44] Arria Perreault: Calli
[12:44] Callipygian Christensen: Access to the portal, and access to the CDS forums etc should be something that is automatically updated at each change of government
[12:44] BigRedCoyote Resident is Online
[12:44] Arria Perreault: (I would like to update the members of the SC)
[12:45] Arria Perreault: Calli, I think I have written a mail to Alexicon every term
[12:45] Callipygian Christensen: automatically, as in, 'someone with the power to do so is required to give access to those who now are entitled ALONG WITH a note of how to use it and any other pertinent information
[12:45] Arria Perreault: I can give the names of people who will never use it of course
[12:45] Trebor Warcliffe: Excellent idea Calli
[12:46] Rosie Gray agrees with Calli's suggestion
[12:46] Fern Leissa: /raises hand
[12:46] Trebor Warcliffe: Arria why are you trying to throw dirt into a positive conversation?
[12:46] Arria Perreault: Fern
[12:46] Callipygian Christensen: I don't believe I have evermet Alexicon - if someone not really active in CDS controls that sort of update, perhaps that is part of the problem?
[12:46] Pip Torok: ?
[12:46] Arria Perreault: Alexicon has always responded
[12:47] Rosie Gray: who is Alexicon?
[12:47] Fern Leissa: Arria, if I understand, you have asked Alexicon to update portal access each term? Is that right?
[12:47] Arria Perreault: we will adress this question. let me think about
[12:47] Arria Perreault: for the next meeting
[12:47] Fern Leissa: Also..
[12:47] Arria Perreault: Fern
[12:47] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes who is Alexicon and why does he/she have access to our portal
[12:47] Callipygian Christensen: Then it seems a simple solution to have the new LRA, or some other designate, make sure that all accesses are in place - done
[12:47] Arria Perreault: he is the creator of the portal
[12:48] Fern Leissa: Is it the Content Archivist that should have access or the RA Archivist?
[12:48] Arria Perreault: he was Chancellor of CDS
[12:48] Arria Perreault: the RA Archivist, sorry
[12:48] Pip Torok: /raises hand
[12:48] Arria Perreault: Fern first, then Pip
[12:49] Pip Torok: may I suggest that the portal software is acquired and held by the Content Archivist?
[12:49] Fern Leissa: lastly...
[12:49] Fern Leissa: It seems part of the question is not just who has access but who is responsible for updating specific portal pages
[12:49] Pip Torok: (sorry again, Fern)
[12:49] Fern Leissa: Maybe that is an issue we need to look at .
[12:49] Arria Perreault: I agree, Fern ㋡
[12:49] Fern Leissa: Done. Np Pip
[12:49] Fern Leissa:
[12:50] Arria Perreault: the technical ability to update is not as important as the redaction of contents
[12:50] Arria Perreault: I am glad to hear that
[12:50] Trebor Warcliffe: I will add the work I've done to the forum and welcome any and all contributions to that work so whoever is tasked with updatign the portal will have a good foundation to work with.
[12:51] Arria Perreault: Pip, the software need some technical ability (at least fort hr administration)
[12:51] Trebor Warcliffe: I have not other citizen concerns for this RA meeting thank you.
[12:51] Arria Perreault: now our portal is hosted by Alexicon
[12:51] Arria Perreault: other concerns?
[12:51] Moonrise Azalee raises hand
[12:52] Arria Perreault: Moonrize, you have the floor?
[12:52] Moonrise Azalee: Just wanted to offer, that having the hosting info for the portal is important to ensure that there is a back up in case the site goes down.
[12:52] Moonrise Azalee: even if it can just be assured that a back up copy is made from time to time so that content would not be lost
[12:53] Moonrise Azalee: done
[12:53] Arria Perreault: thank you, I will ask Alexicon
[12:53] Arria Perreault: other concerns?
[12:54] Arria Perreault: III. ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED FROM PRIOR RA
[12:54] Arria Perreault: no one
[12:54] Arria Perreault: IV. NEW ITEMS
[12:54] Arria Perreault: a. CDS asset security issues
[12:55] Arria Perreault: Infortunately Sudane is not there today
[12:55] Arria Perreault: do you want to discuss this point ?
[12:56] Rosie Gray raises hand
[12:56] Arria Perreault: Rosie
[12:56] Pip Torok: if you feel Sudanes prsence is vital, then I suggest we move on
[12:56] Rosie Gray: I think we should wait until Sudane is here
[12:57] Arria Perreault: Can I consider that we have a motion to table and a second?
[12:57] Rosie Gray: motion
[12:57] Rosie Gray: so motioned
[12:57] Pip Torok: seconded
[12:57] Arria Perreault: vote to table the topic
[12:57] Pip Torok: aye
[12:57] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:57] Arria Perreault: aye
[12:57] Rosie Gray: aye
[12:58] Arria Perreault: motion carries
[12:58] Arria Perreault: thank you
[12:58] Arria Perreault: b. Hippo System
[12:58] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
[12:58] Arria Perreault: Tor has published a FAQ about the use of Hippo System
[12:59] Arria Perreault: (later Trebor)
[12:59] Trebor Warcliffe: ok
[12:59] Arria Perreault: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZNP ... t?hl=en_US
[12:59] Pip Torok: where is the FAQ, mme LRA?
[12:59] Pip Torok: tku!
[12:59] Arria Perreault: in the agenda in the forum, the link works
[13:00] Arria Perreault: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZNP ... t?hl=en_US
[13:00] Arria Perreault: here is the complete link
[13:00] Arria Perreault: the document is clear
[13:01] Arria Perreault: there is also a thread in the forum
[13:01] Arria Perreault: I open the discussion (for RA members first)
[13:01] Arria Perreault: who wants to speak?
[13:01] Pip Torok raises hand
[13:01] Arria Perreault: Pip
[13:02] Pip Torok: is there an urgency to this question? .. I thought it had beeen settled.
[13:02] Pip Torok: done
[13:02] Arria Perreault: the RA has to decide the implementation of Hippo System in the 5 sims of CDS
[13:03] Marian Sapphire is Online
[13:03] Pip Torok: ah ..
[13:03] Arria Perreault: currently a test is made in LA
[13:03] Arria Perreault: the idea is to have it everywhere
[13:04] Soro Dagostino is Online
[13:04] Arria Perreault: the FAQ explains the advantages and disadvantages
[13:04] Pip Torok: may i suggest that we all read the FAQ first and in the meantime table this item?
[13:04] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
[13:04] Arria Perreault: well ... we have asked this FAQ several meetings ago
[13:05] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand!!!!
[13:05] Arria Perreault: Fern, Rosie?
[13:05] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[13:05] Arria Perreault: Fern
[13:05] Fern Leissa: I would support implimenting the Hippo system for all sims but am willing to wait until the next meeting
[13:06] Fern Leissa: If Pip would like more time to study the FAQ.
[13:06] Arria Perreault: I need a motion and a second
[13:06] Pip Torok: so motion
[13:06] Fern Leissa: second
[13:06] Arria Perreault: vote
[13:06] Pip Torok: aye
[13:06] Bagheera Kristan is Offline
[13:06] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:06] Arria Perreault: aye
[13:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand again
[13:07] Rosie Gray: aye
[13:07] Arria Perreault: thank you. This point is postponed to the next meeting
[13:07] Trebor Warcliffe: HELLOOOOO
[13:07] Arria Perreault: Trebor, do you want to wait the next meeting or to speak now?
[13:07] Trebor Warcliffe: No i want to speak now
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: First off
[13:08] Arria Perreault: you have the floor
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: I understand it is correct procedure
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: for a citizen to wait until the end of a discussion
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: to voice their opinion
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: HOWEVER how can you table a motion without even asking the a citizen for input before you make that decision?
[13:09] Trebor Warcliffe: You ask me to wait until the end of the discussion, you end the discussion and dont allow me to speak.
[13:09] Trebor Warcliffe: I dont get it
[13:09] Arria Perreault: the motion was seconded. we have only postpone the point to a next meeting
[13:10] Trebor Warcliffe: You asked for the motion before you asked for citizen input
[13:10] Arria Perreault: we want to let our members some time to read the documentation
[13:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Maybe the citizen input would have made a difference
[13:10] Trebor Warcliffe: adn the motion wouldnt have needed to be tabled
[13:10] Trebor Warcliffe: until next meeting
[13:10] Arria Perreault: we take this in two weeks. everybody will have read the FAQ and we will vote
[13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: Youre missing my point madam LRA
[13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: I should have been able to address the RA
[13:11] Pip Torok concedes Trebor's point
[13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: before this motion was even tabled
[13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: You took administrative action without ciitizen input
[13:11] Arria Perreault: a motion was made as 2 RA members have asked the same thing
[13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: Youre still not getting it
[13:12] Arria Perreault: I think it's better to have your explanation the day we make the vote
[13:12] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[13:12] Trebor Warcliffe: I should be allowed to address the RA before ANY decision is made by the RA
[13:12] Arria Perreault: yes, I get it
[13:12] Arria Perreault: Calli
[13:12] Callipygian Christensen: Trebor, may I interject something here?
[13:12] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes please
[13:14] Arria Perreault: Calli
[13:14] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, Trebor is trying to say, I think, that he had indicated he had a comment. YOu asked for a motion and a seconder- it didnt just pop up, but Trebor feels his comment has relevance and RA members should hear it to consider ALONG with the FAQ, not after
[13:14] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you
[13:14] Callipygian Christensen: He si asking you to consider your order of action, to allow the thoughts of a citizen to be placed before the RA
[13:14] Rosie Gray nods in agreement
[13:14] Arria Perreault: I understand that
[13:14] Pip Torok nods
[13:15] Trebor Warcliffe: If you understanf that than why wasnt I given the opportunity to speak
[13:15] Arria Perreault: in the same time, we intented to postpone this point to the next meeting. your arguments about Hippo are more useful when we vote.
[13:15] Trebor Warcliffe: you ask me to follow your rules yet you change these rules whenever you care to
[13:15] Callipygian Christensen: Incorrect Madame LRA
[13:16] Pip Torok respectfully disagrees
[13:16] Rosie Gray disagrees with LRA as well
[13:16] Callipygian Christensen: You do not know what this citizen plans to say, so how can you know when they will be useful
[13:16] Trebor Warcliffe: Arria you have no way of knowing what Im goign to say
[13:16] Arria Perreault: ok. I am sorry
[13:16] Trebor Warcliffe: EXACTLY
[13:17] Arria Perreault: in the same time, we have voted and one member would like to read the FAQ
[13:17] Rosie Gray raises hand
[13:17] Trebor Warcliffe: A vote that was made BEFORE it should have been made
[13:17] Arria Perreault: Rosie
[13:17] Rosie Gray: I suggest that we hear Trebor
[13:17] Callipygian Christensen: Perhaps the members of RA who would like to hear what Trebor has to say could indicate that
[13:18] Rosie Gray: and that we consider our vote and question again afterwards
[13:18] Arria Perreault: of course
[13:18] Pip Torok: i would like to hear trebor
[13:18] Arria Perreault: Trebor, you have the floor
[13:18] Trebor Warcliffe: First I ask that the vote to table the discussion be removed from teh record until after Im done please.
[13:18] Trebor Warcliffe: And than a vote to table or not or to vote on the topic can and should be made
[13:19] Rosie Gray: I agree, this is the proper procedure
[13:19] Trebor Warcliffe: When this part is setttled I will continue, thank you.
[13:19] Arria Perreault waiting for a motion from a RA member
[13:20] Rosie Gray: motion to remove previous motion and vote from the record
[13:20] Pip Torok: second
[13:20] Arria Perreault: vote
[13:20] Daffodil Fargis is Online
[13:20] Pip Torok: aye
[13:20] Arria Perreault: aye
[13:21] Rosie Gray: aye
[13:21] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:21] Arria Perreault: Trebor we listen to you
[13:21] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you for the floor madame LRA
[13:21] Trebor Warcliffe: My RA members thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today
[13:21] Trebor Warcliffe: Whether you vote on Hippo today or the next meeting
[13:22] Trebor Warcliffe: there are a few things I feel need to be brought to your attention
[13:22] Trebor Warcliffe: Hippo is well established in SL
[13:22] Trebor Warcliffe: It is constantly beign updated and improved
[13:22] Trebor Warcliffe: It is VERY inexpensive for the amount of work it is capable of
[13:23] Trebor Warcliffe: There are options besided collection of tier that the CDS may find very useful
[13:23] Trebor Warcliffe: Currently since at least May 1st
[13:23] Trebor Warcliffe: Hippo has been in operation in the LA
[13:24] Trebor Warcliffe: Alexi Navarathna, Alexia Carnell, Anna Toussaint, Bromo Ivory, Danton Sideways, Fern Leissa, Mikelo Serevi, Moonrise Azalee, Sonja Strom, Tor Karlsvalt
[13:24] Trebor Warcliffe: Are all citizens who are currently paying tier in LA since that time
[13:24] Trebor Warcliffe: There has been multiple opportunities for them to express their dislike of Hippo in the forums if they didnt like it.
[13:25] Trebor Warcliffe: I feel teh issue can be voted on today but as a citizen I also respect the wants of the RA members to research it a little more.
[13:25] Trebor Warcliffe: I will say
[13:25] Trebor Warcliffe: To implement it
[13:25] Trebor Warcliffe: in all 5 SIMS
[13:25] Trebor Warcliffe: Will be a very arduous task
[13:26] Trebor Warcliffe: I would like to see if at all possible (if it gets accepted) that we can gather a group of volunteers to help Sudane, Tor, and Anna in this huge task
[13:26] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you for your time today
[13:26] Trebor Warcliffe: Done
[13:26] Arria Perreault: thank you, Trebor
[13:26] Pip Torok raises hand
[13:26] Arria Perreault: Pip
[13:27] Daffodil Fargis is Offline
[13:27] Pip Torok: I appreciate trebors input ... and wd also add that it is also important to peruse the FAQ just in case there is some aspect to consideer before the vote
[13:27] Pip Torok: done
[13:27] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[13:28] Arria Perreault: Fern
[13:28] Fern Leissa: I would also like to note that Sonja is not here
[13:28] Fern Leissa: I think we can wait two weeks to decide.. as we have waited since May.
[13:29] Arria Perreault: other opinions? Rosie?
[13:30] Arria Perreault: if it is not the case, I need again motion and second
[13:30] Pip Torok: motion to table this agenda item to the next meeting
[13:30] Rosie Gray raises hand
[13:31] Arria Perreault: Rosie?
[13:31] Rosie Gray: I was just going to agree with Fern, although I myself am comfortable with the Hippo system, but we need to wait for Sonja anyway
[13:31] Rosie Gray: done
[13:31] Arria Perreault: thank you
13:32] Arria Perreault: I need a second for Pip's motion
[13:32] Fern Leissa: second
[13:32] Arria Perreault: vote
[13:32] Pip Torok: aye
[13:32] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:32] Arria Perreault: aye
[13:33] Soro Dagostino is Offline
[13:33] Rosie Gray: aye
[13:33] Rosie Gray whispers: sorry
[13:33] Guillaume Mistwalker is Online
[13:33] Arria Perreault: motion carries. we will take this point in the next meeting
[13:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you all, I have to leave for today.
[13:34] Arria Perreault: RA members have homeworks for the next meeting: reading the FAQ
[13:34] Rosie Gray: bye Trebor!
[13:34] josjoha Resident: o/
[13:34] Arria Perreault: good bye, Trebor
[13:34] Trebor Warcliffe is Offline
[13:34] Fern Leissa: Bye Trebor
[13:34] Pip Torok: bye Treb!
[13:34] Arria Perreault: Next point
[13:35] Arria Perreault: c. Estate power in CDS
[13:36] Arria Perreault: I have asked the Chancellor to give the list of poeple who have an Estate power on our sims
[13:36] Arria Perreault: It seems that the Secretary of the New Guild has an Estate Power
[13:37] Arria Perreault: I find this strange as the New Guild is seen as a private organization
[13:37] Rosie Gray raises hand
[13:37] Arria Perreault: Infortunately Tor did not publish this list
[13:38] Arria Perreault: Rosie
[13:38] Rosie Gray: Moon, as previous NG secretary
[13:38] Rosie Gray: had estate powers
[13:38] Rosie Gray: and really it would be impossible to carry out the work of the NG without it
[13:38] Rosie Gray: which might answer your question
[13:39] Rosie Gray: done
[13:40] Arria Perreault: I know. But it was before the SC decides that the NG was a totally private organization. Do we give this power to other chairs of other NGO ?
[13:40] Arria Perreault: that's what I want to know now
[13:40] Rosie Gray: it is necessary for the NG
[13:40] Rosie Gray: but I won't debate it now
[13:40] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[13:40] Arria Perreault: Calli
[13:41] Callipygian Christensen: Madame LRA, jsut as a point of clarity here, and it may result from a language issue
[13:41] Callipygian Christensen: The SC interprests what exists, so to say 'the SC decided' is somewhat incorrect
[13:41] Rosie Gray nods
[13:42] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[13:42] Callipygian Christensen: the SC stated that 'this is what the NG has always been
[13:42] Arria Perreault: yes, the SC has made an interpretation and this interpretation has some consequences in my opinion
[13:43] Arria Perreault: the NG had a priviligied role in CDS, although it was not a governmental branch
[13:43] Arria Perreault: this role is questionned now
[13:43] Rosie Gray: with respect Arria, you are the only one questioning it
[13:43] Callipygian Christensen: Since the NG was always tasked with sim development, its logical for the Seretary to have estate powers. I think what you are trying to reach is the question of 'Do we change the whole style in which sim planning and development occurs'
[13:43] Pip Torok questions the questionning of it
[13:44] Arria Perreault: yes, Calli, as advisory board
[13:44] Rosie Gray raises hand
[13:44] Arria Perreault: now the Secretary of the Guild is also a RA member
[13:44] Arria Perreault: I see a problem
[13:44] Arria Perreault: Rosie
[13:45] Rosie Gray: It seems to me that nobody else has expressed this question
[13:45] Rosie Gray: it is only you, Arria that are questioning
[13:45] Rosie Gray: put it as a question to the enitre RA
[13:45] Rosie Gray: and vote on if this question should be pursued
[13:45] Arria Perreault: I want to make people aware of that
[13:45] Rosie Gray: otherwise, please drop the question
[13:45] Michele Mrigesh is Online
[13:46] Pip Torok: I agree with Rosie in this matter
[13:46] Arria Perreault: if there is no motion and no second, there is no vote
[13:46] Rosie Gray: that is correct
[13:46] Rosie Gray: so you might as well drop it
[13:46] Rosie Gray: and stop wasting our time
[13:47] Arria Perreault: as citizen, I will continue to ask Tor to give a list of people who have estate power and the conditions to get that powers
[13:47] Arria Perreault: V. Reports of RA members about the priorities of the term
[13:48] Arria Perreault: - Sims upgrade: Rosie
[13:48] Rosie Gray: yes thank you
[13:48] Rosie Gray: the new Kirche has been installed, and work is being done on it to finish it
[13:48] Rosie Gray: I am working on the crypt
[13:49] Rosie Gray: Sudane is working on the side-chapel
[13:49] Rosie Gray: and Lilith will be doing some gardening
[13:49] Rosie Gray: Tor is preparing a cornerstone to commemoreate
[13:49] Rosie Gray: commemorate*
[13:49] Rosie Gray: other than that, nothing else to report
[13:49] Arria Perreault: and the list?
[13:49] Rosie Gray: what list?
[13:50] Arria Perreault: the list you have published in the forum
[13:50] Rosie Gray: there is a document of suggestions from citizens
[13:50] Rosie Gray: is that what you mean?
[13:50] Rosie Gray: yes, that is there
[13:50] Arria Perreault: yes. how do you intend to work on this list?
[13:51] Rosie Gray: I had thought that once the NG gets organized again
[13:51] Arria Perreault: can we set some priorities here in the RA?
[13:51] Rosie Gray: that we could go over the suggestions
[13:51] Rosie Gray: and make some recommendations to the RA for proceeding
[13:52] Rosie Gray: it's a bit premature now
[13:52] Arria Perreault: thank you
[13:52] Arria Perreault: - Marketing (to increase the number of citizen): Pip
[13:53] Pip Torok: yes ... first of all can i request that every citizen greets a newcomer to the 5 sims ...
[13:53] Pip Torok: and generally make him/herself sociable to the newcomer
[13:53] Pip Torok: so that they feeel AT HOME here
[13:54] Pip Torok: secondly .. i want to organise meetings with groups of potential new citizens
[13:54] Pip Torok: either here in CDS (eg the poetry sessions) or "abroad" ...
[13:55] Arria Perreault: potential citizen? friends of CDS?
[13:55] Pip Torok: thirdly i wish to keep in touch with CDS citizens who have suggestions ...
[13:55] Pip Torok: done
[13:55] Arria Perreault: thank you
[13:55] Pip Torok: any questions/comments?
[13:56] Arria Perreault: well, I have a suggestion for the marketing of the CDS
[13:56] Pip Torok: I'm all ears!
[13:56] Rosie Gray raises hand
[13:56] Arria Perreault: I did not work on events these last times, but I have made an interesting experience in the Monastery
[13:56] Arria Perreault: Rosie
[13:57] Rosie Gray: I was wondering where the duties of Pip on this and the duties of our Chancellor and PIO overlap
[13:58] Pip Torok: well i see them as coalescing rather than as overlapping .. ill make sure there are no "holes" ... nor any duplication of work
[13:58] Rosie Gray: okay thanks Pip
[13:59] Rosie Gray: may I ask what it is you've done in the MOnastery, Arria?
[13:59] Valibrarian Gregg is Offline
[13:59] Arria Perreault: well Pip has mentionned things he intended to make. we can all do that. the RA can also take decisions and the Executive has to implemente these decision
[13:59] Pip Torok: i shd mention that trebor has expressed great interest and ill want him at our first meeting
[14:00] Arria Perreault: you can also make a commission, Pip
[14:00] Pip Torok: true ... tho ill concentrate on the work of the "commission" rather than on the fact of it ....
[14:00] Arria Perreault: I am working on some improvements in the Monastery currently
[14:01] Marian Sapphire is Offline
[14:01] Pip Torok: can you tell me (now or later) what was interesting about the Monastery experince, mme lra?
[14:02] Zoe Foodiboo is Offline
[14:02] Arria Perreault: I have add the Monastery in the Destination Guide of Second Life
[14:02] Arria Perreault: here is the link
[14:02] Pip Torok: ah ...
[14:02] Arria Perreault: http://secondlife.com/destination/the-monastery
[14:02] Fern Leissa: I saw that
[14:02] Pip Torok: thank you, mme lra
[14:02] Arria Perreault: it has a great impact on traffic
[14:03] Arria Perreault: I think that we should choose several places in CDS and add them in this list
[14:03] Pip Torok: anyway .. i need to concentrate on the result: MORE active voting and thinking citizens for this democracy...
[14:04] Rosie Gray: yay Pip!
[14:04] Fern Leissa: What about Rosie's new church?
[14:04] Rosie Gray: wb Moonrise
[14:04] Pip Torok: what about it fern?
[14:04] Fern Leissa: On the Destination Guide
[14:04] Moonrise Azalee: (sorry)
[14:04] Pip Torok: ah! ...
[14:05] Rosie Gray: Pat made a suggestion about having some kind of event around the new church
[14:05] Arria Perreault: we should make a list of places of interests in CDS and encourage citizen to add their place if they are conform to the conditions
[14:05] Pip Torok: well its important to think then act on what will DRAW potential citizens to us ...
[14:05] Pip Torok: ... the look n feel of the whole ...
[14:05] Pip Torok: ... our democracy ...
[14:05] Pip Torok: .. the commiunity and us lovely folk in it! etc
[14:06] Fern Leissa: Hey! What about the RA meetings ?
[14:06] Pip Torok: of course .. if thats a drawing point...
[14:06] Arria Perreault: Rosie, I think it would be a good idea. I though that a serie of concert classical music would be a good thing
[14:06] Moonrise Azalee giggles
[14:06] Moonrise Azalee: /raises hand
[14:06] Arria Perreault: Moonrize
[14:07] Pip Torok: true, tho i'd like Tor second opinion (and trebs) about what will DRAW citizens in
[14:07] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand too
[14:07] Arria Perreault: Moonrize first
[14:07] Moonrise Azalee: I worry about the open level of the forum. all the inner arguments can be read. perhaps some of the areas of the forum could be kept private for members only so that prospective new members arent frightened
[14:07] Arria Perreault: then Calli
[14:08] Moonrise Azalee: At least the meeting transcripts
[14:08] Guillaume Mistwalker is Offline
[14:09] Arria Perreault: all what we say here is public. the information channel for newcomers should be the portal, not the forum
[14:09] Pip Torok: I take yr point, M ... tho by RA UK Parliamentary standards or Univ student meeting standards, CDS is still quite tame
[14:09] Moonrise Azalee: Yes. but all people are able to read the forums
[14:10] Moonrise Azalee: and some of the things there are quite negative and not much a draw when trying to show new peeps how 'great' we all are, lol
[14:10] Arria Perreault: it's transparency
[14:10] Fern Leissa:
[14:10] Pip Torok: but the point about fright and bad-feeling is well taken
[14:10] Rosie Gray: it's transparency alright, which is not very appealing to someone considering joining us
[14:10] Moonrise Azalee: Sure, transparency is important, but inner discussions about issues that seem so volatile and ugly do not serve us well
[14:11] Moonrise Azalee: People reading accusations against our own Councilor , the large amount of funds etc.
[14:11] Pip Torok: when theyre nonproductive and go round in circles i 100% agree, M
[14:11] Garidin Resident is Online
[14:12] Zoe Foodiboo is Online
[14:12] Moonrise Azalee: I think the forums , at least the categories other than Welcome , should be left for people who are members of the community already.
[14:12] Moonrise Azalee: The way many, many forums are.
[14:12] Pip Torok: perhaps one of the points when i introduce the concept of democracy is the possibility of some sort of contention
[14:12] Moonrise Azalee: that is all
[14:12] Callipygian Christensen waits (my comment is sort of an addendum to this one)
[14:12] Arria Perreault: thank you Moonrise
[14:12] Arria Perreault: Calli
[14:12] Callipygian Christensen: I'll point out the elephant behind the curtain here. You need to define what type of new citizens you want, because frankly, ime, you don't want the bulk of SL residents here. If a group of a dozen active people who wanted to really get involved apppeared, mostof the old gaurd of CDS would soil their undies
[14:13] Moonrise Azalee nods
[14:13] Rosie Gray laughs aloud
[14:14] Callipygian Christensen: and its fine to not want radical change, but start out from an honest point of 'we only wnat to atttract people who 'fit in'
[14:14] Pip Torok: Intersting ... i wonder how much of an old guard that makes me ( ))
[14:14] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[14:14] Pip Torok: but I WANT active thinking discussing citizens ....
[14:15] Callipygian Christensen: because luring in a lot of people who want a pretty garden and a nice 'homeowners' assocatiaon' sort of gov't just means lots of short term 'citizen's and more bad publicity for the CDS
[14:15] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[14:15] Pip Torok: 100% agree Calli
[14:15] Rosie Gray: on the other hand, it could put off some people who don't realize how much negativity has gone one here
[14:16] Rosie Gray: who DO want to be productive members of an active community
[14:16] Callipygian Christensen: Razzy's comment about the forum's is valid..but Ithink they should stay open..because they are a fairly honest view of what it's like to try to fucntion here
[14:16] Pip Torok: yes ... but when ppl disagree, unfortunately there is always the possibility that tempers are lost
[14:16] Rosie Gray: that's true, and reading all of them takes a certain level of dedication
[14:17] Callipygian Christensen: Pip, with all respect, it's moe than just the lost tempers- it's the apparent intransigence of the culture
[14:17] Pip Torok: for most RL and SL ppl imo direct democracy is a new concept...
[14:17] Zoe Foodiboo is Offline
[14:17] Arria Perreault is Offline
[14:17] Garidin Resident is Offline
[14:17] Pip Torok: we're not taught it in many schools ...
[14:17] Arria Perreault is Online
[14:18] Pip Torok: its not in the workplace or even union meetings
[14:18] Pip Torok: .. its CERTAINLY not in the Boardroom
[14:18] Arria Perreault: I hope that someone can paste the transcript to me
[14:19] Pip Torok: .. in fact the university studemt meeting is oftem the only point of experience for many
[14:19] Pip Torok ends his sermon and apologises!
[14:19] Arria Perreault: thank you Rosie
[14:20] Fern Leissa gave you RA Mtg. 2011-08-14.
[14:20] Callipygian Christensen: Pip, my point is that if CDS is to be an educational place about democracy, then target only those people who are interested in being active at that level..but dont be surprised that its a very small portion of the SL residents
[14:20] Arria Perreault: thank you Fern
[14:20] Arria Perreault: )
[14:20] Fern Leissa: yw
[14:20] Pip Torok: I take your point .. thank you for reinforcing it
[14:20] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[14:20] Arria Perreault: maybe we should make marketing outside SL
[14:21] Callipygian Christensen: (and frankly, right now, this democracy runs very much like RL..half the current citizens dont read the forums or participate, not even to vote)
[14:21] Arria Perreault: in the Web
[14:21] Pip Torok: exactly ... so an inner transformation into a working and vibrant democracy is close to my heart ...
[14:22] Callipygian Christensen: and on that note, RL calls me away
[14:22] Arria Perreault: maybe we could make a google campaign
[14:22] Rosie Gray waves to Calli
[14:22] Callipygian Christensen: I am off on vacation..see you all in a week or so
[14:22] Fern Leissa: Bye Calli
[14:22] Moonrise Azalee: Bye Calli
[14:22] Rosie Gray: have fun!
[14:22] Arria Perreault: it's not that expensive
[14:22] Arria Perreault: Bye Calli
[14:22] Pip Torok: ... mme lra if there are no further questions, shall we move on?
[14:22] Arria Perreault: yes
[14:22] Rosie Gray: yes please!
[14:23] Arria Perreault: VI. Informations from the Executive team
VII. Concerns of RA Members
VIII. Announcements
[14:23] Arria Perreault: any points here?
[14:23] Pip Torok: what about "Sima Animation"????
[14:23] Pip Torok: Sims
[14:24] Arria Perreault: I have worked mostly on this idea of destination guide
[14:24] Arria Perreault: I will work on events soon
[14:25] Arria Perreault: IX. Adjournment
[14:25] Arria Perreault: a motion?
[14:25] Pip Torok: motion to adjourn
[14:26] Fern Leissa: second
[14:26] Arria Perreault: aye
[14:26] Pip Torok: aye
[14:26] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:26] Arria Perreault: we are adjourned
