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Re: Updating the web portal

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Thanks for the feedback, Rose! Aye, you've guessed correctly: it's the cache. In my tests, this *always* happens for the *first* time you view the forum, on a different computer, or on a different browser, specially if you already have logged in from that computer/browser combination. I'm sure that it's related to the cookies stored on the browser, which have an IP address for the site: since now the address has changed (it's actually CloudFlare's IP address, not the server's), the cookies are invalid, and thus the login fails. It's annoying, but it only happens for the first time — then the cookies get refreshed/deleted/whatever magic happens on the browser side, and it works again. I've tested it on two computers and different browsers, all exhibit that "issue" for the first time. I'd say it's "mildly annoying" specially if someone hasn't logged in for a while and then tries very hard to connect and is always redirected back to the first page! Then, well, things will simply work again, as the new cookies will have the correct IP address in them, and this shouldn't happen again.

Or so I hope :)

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Oh wait... are you talking about this forum or MyBB?? Now I'm confused hehe. To be honest, I didn't try MyBB that extensively!! I just noticed it worked and that most messages were there, but I actually didn't try to post anything there lol

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yes, the test forum is what i was referring to. :)

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All right, latest news, fresh from the press...

In order to let the new volunteer team for the upcoming web site to do some testing, I created a new "test" area with WordPress, currently at http://news.slcds.info/ Pretty much everybody who is on this thread (and who was at the meeting last Sunday) was added as Super Administrator, so you're welcome to completely destroy everything :-) (yes, it's just a test site!!!)

It's a WordPress Multisite installation, so feel free to add your own sub-sites and change them at will. Or if you prefer to tweak the "main" site, you're welcome to destroy it at will :) There are no limits whatsoever (no limit in number of sites, disk space used, or bandwidth consumed) so you're most welcome to really, really test it out as you wish. Feel free to upload themes, plugins, and so forth: it should be good for the upcoming meeting to show/demonstrate some of the ideas presented on the past meeting and say, "this is what I had in mind". Thanks to Media-on-a-Prim we can even rezz a few prims with different designs and see what we're talking about :-)

The only limit is that the server is a shared one, and thus usually more heavilly loaded during PST hours. This results in a lot of errors, because the hosting provider "kills" every process that reaches a certain memory limit, so you might need to refresh some pages if you get an error. It's a pain, I know, specially when testing out things, but it's what we got. Viewers of the site that aren't logged in tend to see far less errors, because there is Cloudflare in front of the *.slcds.info domain, so they get cached pages instead. But when you're logged in, the cache is not active (deliberately so), and all changes will hit the main server, and, as it consumes memory, it will kill processes...

For the more technically-minded, this is a very tricky installation :) Not only it's Multisite, but it also has Domain Mapping enabled — which allows, in the future, to redirect addresses so that they're all managed under a single interface. I.e. imagine that the New Guild decides they wish to re-use newguild.slcds.info again. Currently, this site has its own admins, its own setup, and is separately updated and maintained. A pain to remember all those passwords! But a new sub-site can be created under this WP Multisite setup, and with the domain mapping plugin, newguild.slcds.info will just point to a sub-site. Now all users are the same, all plugins and templates are centrally managed, and so forth. (This also works for domain names not under *.slcds.info, e.g. neufreistadt.info could also point to it). This is naturally very cool but makes the configuration tricky!

The cache system is W3 Total Cache. It's also tricky to configure, so right now it's just activated on the "main" site. The reason I like W3 Total Cache is because it works directly with Cloudflare. The main disadvantage is that it consumes a lot of memory and so it might actually give more errors :( Again, the problem is only with logged in users; "normal" viewers will rarely have an issue (Cloudflare is very clever: if the main server gives an error, it will just serve the user a cached page while it patiently waits until the main server recovers again).

I've added a lot of common plugins to interface with Twitter, Facebook and so forth. Many will require configuration and some extra styling. For example, the "sharing" buttons have lost their styling (I don't know why!) using the template I've just placed on http://news.slcds.info/ (Essence, which is a framework I like). I guess that by changing the template the styling will work again, I haven't tested.

A mosty "uncommon" plugin is the one interfacing with MyBB. You can see it in action in http://news.slcds.info/forum/. Well... it's not really an "interface". It's a whole new MyBB installation, but running inside WordPress! Since it's a new installation, it's empty. And, of course, it lacks a lot of styling. But it works! It's a bit weird, to be honest, and not exactly what I had in mind. If I have some patience, I can try to upload a "full" database (i.e. the one currently running under http://forum.slcds.info) and see how it looks — and how the users are handled, which is what I'm most interested in. For now, well, it's more like a "nice thing to see" but not very useful — at least in my opinion. There are more "integration plugins" with MyBB which I might test out some other day.

If someone else wants to have a login, let me know!

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Rose Springvale wrote:

yes, the test forum is what i was referring to. :)

Ah! I'm afraid I haven't tested posting there at all! Hmm. If that happens all the time I guess it's worthless, unless I find a special setting somewhere to deal with cookies...

Oh well, phpBB works fine anyway :) so we have plenty of choices!

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Oh, a stupid thing... the cute avatars on the backoffice appear as soon as you register your email address with http://gravatar.com/ and add a profile picture to that. Gravatar works not only across all WordPress sites in the world, it's also used by an ever-increasing amount of web-based applications as well. It's very convenient, one single place to update your profile picture, and it's used on lots and lots of places.

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Re: Mybb, I use Mybb quite a bit and currently run a forum via Mybb :) It's quite simple, open source and the community support at the mybb forums is pretty great. Ive also used phpbb (did not like) and SMF (not bad, but doesnt look as snazzy).
My recommendation would be Mybb most definitely.
Okay, now to go through the new site a bit and re-read most recent posts here. :)
Thanks for all your work Gwyneth!

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following up my previous post... I would use a stand alone Mybb installation.
It runs super quick and super smooth.
As an example of how I have integrated my wordpress site and Mybb forum, you can see here: http://spiralinward.com (the forum link is in the pages nav bar at the side)
Here is another Mybb site I put together as part of a Wordpress page as well: http://ugcommunion.org, the forum link is along the top... I had a lot of fun with this one, (the forum) very sleek. Some neat features.
Looks much nicer, loads much faster, still just as easy to do. I would recommend that route instead.

edit again: What if you downloaded this forum, via admin, and then install phpbb at wordpress, and upload the files to it... or, is keeping the forum, and just making a page link in wordpress that comes here, a possibility? The forum itself is okay. Lacks a bit of lustre, but it serves the purpose well.

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Rosie Gray wrote:

I just had a look Gwyn at MyBB, and did a sample posting.

I tried a posting!

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Gwyneth Llewelyn wrote:

All right, latest news, fresh from the press...

In order to let the new volunteer team for the upcoming web site to do some testing, I created a new "test" area with WordPress, currently at http://news.slcds.info/ Pretty much everybody who is on this thread (and who was at the meeting last Sunday) was added as Super Administrator, so you're welcome to completely destroy everything :-) (yes, it's just a test site!!!)

I assume that the user name will be our avie names, but how about the password? Thanks Gwyn :)

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Gwyn, I have the same question as Rosie.
Thanks!

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Ah... you should all have received the login and password to the email address that you have registered with in this forum! I don't even know what the password is, it was randomly generated and sent to you, and I think it's a "one-shot" password anyway (i.e. it will only work once and then you have to create your own, definitive password).

For some reason, WordPress in Multisite mode doesn't like caps or spaces, so the login is your avatar name all in minuscule and written together.

If you go to http://news.slcds.info/wp-admin/ you can request a new password. If your email address has changed since registering with this forum, I can change that on the admin panel, so you can get the password on the *right* email address hehe

Sorry for the confusion!

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Gwyn, please send my login password to my email address that you recently used for 'Virtual Governance' graphic.
Thanks!
Hopefully see you at web portal workshop on saturday 10 september @SLT 8:30 am.

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Okies, I hope I got your email correctly this time, Mizou — my apologies!

And I hope to be around on Saturday, if nothing dramatic occurs lol

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Yes thanks Gwyn!
I 'played' with your site and added a few comments, changed the colour, added a post etc.
This evening i re-created the design as I was totally unhappy with th eone i had created earlier this week. This one got a 'Very good, Mammy!' from my very critical son.
It is a proper wordpress site located at http://www.access4alldesign.com/wpcds/
I hope we can all meet tomorrow and discuss what we have sofar and how we can progress.

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