LINDEN LABS IS WAIVING SET-UP FEE THIS WEEKEND ONLY

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LINDEN LABS IS WAIVING SET-UP FEE THIS WEEKEND ONLY

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Hello everyone,

I was going through my email this evening and I received an email from Linden Labs stating they are having a sale for this weekend only. They are waiving the set up fee for both Full sims ($1,000) and Homestead sims ($375). All that is required is to pay the first months maintenance fee at the time of purchase, $295.00 and $125.00 respectively. I know at the immediate time we aren't prepared to do any expansions but I do have to ask if we were to take advantage of this sale and purchase 1 - 2 full sims and 1 homestead sim do you think we could bring them to market within 3 months? This is a considerable savings but it wouldn't be worth it if we all don't agree we could have the sims available for citizens. If not what about a Homestead sim to possibly work into a sandbox with a few commercial or residential parcels? I don't know the particulars on how a sandbox works, (size, prim requirements, homestead or full). Just throwing it out there for all to consider.

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Also a great opportunity for anyone who wants to try out alternative models for democratic self-governing communities (alternative to the CDS that is). We have had proposals to move away from our current representative democracy model to collaborative democracy or some simpler direct democracy approach. Here is an ideal opportunity for people to buy a sim, set up something different and see how it goes. Don't delay though, offer ends this weekend!

(I was tempted to buy a homestead myself but I see you have to own an island first and that looks a bit spendy. Never mind).

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Trebor Warcliffe wrote:

This is a considerable savings but it wouldn't be worth it if we all don't agree we could have the sims available for citizens. If not what about a Homestead sim to possibly work into a sandbox with a few commercial or residential parcels?

Sorry to throw cold water here, but this is a typical LL scam.

The "setup fee" cost of owning a sim is quite literally a TINY part of the cost of sim ownership, and LL, knowing this, has frequently made this offer to individual groups of landowners, though not before to the general public. Consider these numbers, using as a basis a full sim:

Reading the fine print, you'll see that you must still pay the first month tier of 295, which is ordinarily included in the 1000. So your savings is really only 705. Then, assuming that you own the sim for ONLY one year, your total cost of ownership of that sim is 295x12= 3540 + 705 = 4245. If you save 705 from the 4245, you are saving 17%. If you own the sim for more than one year (which it is inconceivable that we would not) then the savings drops. Owning the sim for five years cuts that percent of savings down to less than 4%.

This is why LL runs these promotions! For little loss to them, they are adding on-going revenue-generating product. And they are counting on us being fooled that we get some great bargain.

Also consider that on the third party market, full sims are available for considerably less than 705... indeed, its frequent that one sees people willing to give them away for nothing, because otherwise they would be abandoned. Indeed, if the CDS wants them, I am abandoning one full sim and 3 or 4 homesteads within the next few weeks. They're yours... free... no setup charge. Indeed, since we would be transferring them between alts of the same person (me) they might even allow us to retain the grandfathered status.

So... sorry guys, but there is no bargain here. $295/month for a full sim remains the fee, and this outrageous cost is the single most powerful factor driving down the appeal and the participation in our communities. Adding insult to injury, its now clear that LL does in fact discount the tier price to a number of the largest landowners, enabling them offer land at unfairly low prices to consumers. LL's justification, of course, is that these owners drive volume... lowering their tier enables them to expand their number of sims and increase revenue to LL.

So, as in RL, the rich get richer and the poor suffer.

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Sudane,

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion. That's why I decided to post it in the forums because I knew someone with more knowledge than me would be able to let the community know if it was a good deal or not and if it was worth our time and money.

In regards to the parcels you may be abandoning soon, I would be interested in knowing if LL would grandfather the old rates if you were to transfer them to the CDS. As you point out the possibility is there since you are the EO on record for both estates. Would you be able to investigate this for the CDS and let us know what costs would be involved, i.e. tier, relocation, etc.

Thank you,

Trebor

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