Trebor Warcliffe Revised Budget Proposal

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There has never been a cloud over our finances. Budgets were submitted timely to the RA during my two terms as Chancellor. They were public and offered to the RA for scrutiny. Indeed, my last budget remains on a prim in the the Praetorium for those who have a V2 or higher compatible viewer.

Stipends are a mere token for the work done by the executive team. I can attest to the hours spend by members of executive to maintain and serve the citizens of CDS. It is no small task to plan and hold events, look for performers, restart the sims, landscape, address residents needs, promote events and sims, remove errant prims and enforce the laws of CDS. Need I mention the tremendous work by Sudane in managing our finances? I should hope not. Also in this regard I must note that Trebor had assisted Sudane during the last term with reports. I folded his duties as Asst. Treas. under Commerce Coordinator in order to SAVE money.

Stipends have been a long tradition in CDS. I can find forum postings going back to 2008 regarding stipends. These reference an already old practice. I also remember a conversation with a prominent member of our community, who stated that stipends were in part a way for people with few resources to work and earn the money that might allow them to be citizens. For the most part the stipends are so little that one cannot afford very much land in CDS.

I might add there are few paid positions filled by the executive. Naturally, the PIO is the chief executive position after the Treasurer. The Content Archivist and the Commerce Coordinator positions are established by law. The nature of the Content Archivist and Treasurer positions more or less ensure that the incumbent remains in office from term to term. Indeed, the Content Archivist is appointed by RA. I found that Asst. Treasurer was close enough to Commerce that I could combine those offices and thus save money.

The Commerce Coordinator was the only position new to the executive team when I took office last December. I set the stipend for that office equal to the PIO. This was included in the budget submitted to the RA within the 14 day requirement per CDSL 13-11. The budget was approved by the RA.

The RA Archivist is not an appointment of the Chancellor nor part of the executive team. However, it was always a budgeted expense. The RA never named an Archivist last term.

Traditionally, the executive team included a caretaker. For quite a number of terms, this position was filled by Lilith Ivory. She did not take a stipend while she served as LRA. Nor did she hold the position. I left it unfilled during my first term. I have to thank Lilith continuing to perform caretaker duties while not getting paid a stipend. It seems she may have to again.

We did have an Asst. PIO. This was a very inexpensive position and was established by my predecessor. The chief responsibility of the Asst. PIO was to host Metanomics at the Amphitheater. Unfortunately, Metnanomics fizzled despite the intentions of its producers. Early in the second term we hoped Metanomics would return. Although the Asst. PIO did help greet people in CDS the position was eventually ended as Metanomics became defunct.

It seems to me that with just a little careful looking one can see that our stipends are minimal, a well deserved token and a good value for CDS. I hope the cloud has been lifted, at least in some measure.

The current proposed budget is similar in regard to stipends. As far as I can tell he position of Caretaker is now the Covenant Officer. See noting untoward or unusual in the creation of this position especially when another position discontinued.

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Following on from last weeks RA meeting, we need to come to an agreement on a budget so we can pass one and get on with other tasks. Trebor needs to satisfy three out of five of us. I've posted my views on the events budget and stipends and have said I'm prepared to compromise. Here's what I could vote for:

  • Monthly stipends limited to L$ 6000 in total I.e. to about 2% of monthly revenue. This should be enough to provide payments which reflect appreciation for work undertaken without being excessive. They were historically about 1.5% of income and should not become much more than that.

    No New Guild subsidy. The NG is a non governmental body. I fear it has become a quasi governmental body which was not the original intention. The NG should not have a monopoly on building in the CDS.

    Monthly events budget limited to L$ 12k in total I.e. 6k for Floralia and 6k for all other events. I'd like to see us encourage groups of citizens to stage their own, privately funded events and move further in that direction over time. I accept that I need to demonstrate through action that my proposal can work before we go there wholesale.

I'm happy with the other parts of the budget eg web hosting and advertising.

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Patroklus Murakami wrote:

Following on from last weeks RA meeting, we need to come to an agreement on a budget so we can pass one and get on with other tasks. Trebor needs to satisfy three out of five of us. I've posted my views on the events budget and stipends and have said I'm prepared to compromise. Here's what I could vote for:

  • Monthly stipends limited to L$ 6000 in total I.e. to about 2% of monthly revenue. This should be enough to provide payments which reflect appreciation for work undertaken without being excessive. They were historically about 1.5% of income and should not become much more than that.

    No New Guild subsidy. The NG is a non governmental body. I fear it has become a quasi governmental body which was not the original intention. The NG should not have a monopoly on building in the CDS.

    Monthly events budget limited to L$ 12k in total I.e. 6k for Floralia and 6k for all other events. I'd like to see us encourage groups of citizens to stage their own, privately funded events and move further in that direction over time. I accept that I need to demonstrate through action that my proposal can work before we go there wholesale.

I'm happy with the other parts of the budget eg web hosting and advertising.

I agree with the first two of these, but I disagree with the 3rd. I am satisfied with the proposed events budget and would not like to see it reduced, although I would support increasing it and fleshing out more detail.

One way to make up the loss of stipends while creating community and recognition is to add a major event dedicated to celebrating and recognizing our volunteers and officials. I note that we already have a statute on the books -- NL 8.3 -- which should have accomplished this already, but which hasn't. I would propose adding a "historical museum of the CDS" to the next expansion to facilitate such a living history recognition of our past and present officials and notable citizens.

I would add -- creation of an operational reserve of not less than 5% of total budget and an expansion/redevelopment reserve of not less than 5% of total budget.

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Beathan wrote:

I agree with the first two of these, but I disagree with the 3rd. I am satisfied with the proposed events budget and would not like to see it reduced, although I would support increasing it and fleshing out more detail.

One way to make up the loss of stipends while creating community and recognition is to add a major event dedicated to celebrating and recognizing our volunteers and officials. I note that we already have a statute on the books -- NL 8.3 -- which should have accomplished this already, but which hasn't. I would propose adding a "historical museum of the CDS" to the next expansion to facilitate such a living history recognition of our past and present officials and notable citizens.

I would add -- creation of an operational reserve of not less than 5% of total budget and an expansion/redevelopment reserve of not less than 5% of total budget.

I'd be very interested in a history book or museum about the history of CDS from its early days until now.

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Patroklus Murakami wrote:

Monthly events budget limited to L$ 12k in total I.e. 6k for Floralia and 6k for all other events. I'd like to see us encourage groups of citizens to stage their own, privately funded events and move further in that direction over time. I accept that I need to demonstrate through action that my proposal can work before we go there wholesale.

Pat, do you mean L$12k per year or per month?? Or per term maybe??

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I meant per month. It is clearer if you compare my comments with trebors last posted budget.

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Patroklus Murakami wrote:

I'd like to see us encourage groups of citizens to stage their own, privately funded events and move further in that direction over time. I accept that I need to demonstrate through action that my proposal can work before we go there wholesale.[/list]
I'm happy with the other parts of the budget eg web hosting and advertising.

I need to clarify my opposition to the 3rd leg of Pat's proposal. I was opposing the limitation on paid-for public events. I applaud Pat's encouragement of private events.

We need to make clear that private events, even events that involve general or public invitation, are to be encouraged. I have learned that, in the past, citizens have been criticized for putting on private events on the grounds that such events somehow encroach on the portfolio of the PIO. That is wrong and untrue. A thriving community has a thriving public life that includes private events. Not every public event needs to be publicly paid for and sponsored.

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Hello all,

I spent most of my day yesterday working on the November financial statements and also working on budgets. I took the budgets from the 14th and 15th term and have provided you with a comparison of what was budgeted and what was actually spent. I've also worked another budget taking into account Pat's proposal for stipends at L$6,000. I didn't include the 5% operational reserve nor the 5% expansion/redevlopment reserve because we already have an excess amount of funds in reserve above our required two months of tier.

I have adjusted the events budget a little bit. I am strongly encouraging citizen events and have set aside a good portion of the events budget for this purpose. As we expand we're going to want to put on events that appeal to the Second Life community in general to get the word out about the CDS.

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I am curious about the total events budget, and the definitions of the different kinds of events.

is 26K a month for total events what you have set aside. all I can say is WOW and what sort of events That is A LOT to me a month for events.

I admit it might be stated earlier .. but if someone could please indulge me on an answer. I'd be pleased.

Also, I kept asking Trebor why $5k for advertising. Not got much answer execpt historically we spent that on Radio Riel , which at best wasnt worth that, and at worst, went to certain peoples "friends". And I do not belive Trebors idea of buying advertising in magazines is worth that either. We can get free magazine and blog coverage with PR type articles without purchasing overpriced advertisments that get little actually "air time" or coverage. What advertising is worth 5k a month to CDS? In my opinion, as a business person in SL who buys my own advertising with my own money and only spends money that makes me money for the past several years in sl .

Here is my advice :

The most we need to spend on a classified ad with our search terms is $50 L a week and if we go way out and put a land ad so we show in searches for all.... thats only $30 L a week times five at most and one is probably enough if it lands in the right place with redirect info. Marketplace is free..the expensive ads you are able to buy there are pointless in my opinion,too ?? So if we round up .. thats a 1k expense. if we got frugal it would probably be just as effective for one land ad and one classified. That would make it $320 Lindens a month.

When I asked Trebor what the 5k was for I did not get an answer out him that I understood .. my understanding from conversations with Trebor when I was being courted for Commerce Commissioner was that this is what I am supposed to know the best use of marketing money and advertising money , and honestly I believe I do. :) Well I don't believe in spending money because we have it, especially on ads which have the potential to be spent in the way which Radio Riel money went (lets dont go there now). So my advice is the Marketing advertising budget doesnt need to be more than $1000 L a month, why is the marketing advertising budget line item $5000 L?

just curious ?

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The generous events budgets and salaries should provide all the marketing and PR and advertising special project money we need.

Hey, if the thought is just give the chancellor a wad of lindens and let him do what he wants, fine, do that. Just say that is what it is. Just say a dollar ammount and let him have at it. But if he is coming to you to approve a budget, shouldnt we have a clue what he is going to spend it on before its approved? He apparently believes he can move it around in categories anyway from previous posts after its approved. So ?? just curious. not trying to be mean or criticize anyone, I'd just like an answer. As a tier paying, citizen recruiting citizen.

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The R A voted to approve this budget at its meeting on 10 December.

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Is there a transcript of the meeting posted?

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