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The technical aspects of franculates

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[b:25rzvlur][u:25rzvlur]The technical aspects of franculates[/b:25rzvlur][/u:25rzvlur]

I have just been talking in-world with Sudane, and a number of important and interesting points about the technical aspects of franculates were raised.

It seems that, unlike on private islands, on the mainland, there is no way to deed land to an individual or group without the previous owner losing all control of it. That would also mean that the person to whom the land was deeded would need to pay teir. Thus, we cannot give a person the full range of estate tools, whilst preserving the money-saving and the enforcement aspects of Franchulates (which are rather the only point of them anyway).

So, all franculated holders would have to be renters. The difficulty with that is that there would have to be people undertaking the routine mechanics of enforcement by, for example, removing objects left on other people's land. It could be done that way (by having the mainland land owned by a group, all of whose officers can return objects on request; group ownership would also mitigate against the rogue EO potential), but it would still leave title-holders to land (renters) not having much control.

What we need to do, therefore, if franchulates are to be an attractive proposition for those who currently *own* mainland land, is devise ways of mimicking the control that estate owners have. So, for instance, it would be useful to have a scripted object, owend by somebody who does have the power to use estate tools on the land, that returns particular objects (specificed to the scripted object in some way), on particular bits of land, but only when asked to do so by particular people. This would be a synthetic form of the "return objects" function in the estate tools, whcih is the most important, since it ensures that only the title-holder can build on the land.

There should be a working group set up to discuss these technical issues: perhaps with Sudane, Elouise, Adam Hawthorne, and Gwyneth to try to find ways of giving "renters" on the mainland some practical control over their land over and above the control that they have over *anybody's* land.

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A partial solution using group tools

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[b:2tgp9i49][u:2tgp9i49]A partial solution using group tools[/b:2tgp9i49][/u:2tgp9i49]

Speaking to Eloise Pasteur yesterday, it seems that, whilst it is possible to use scripts to control access/ban functions, it is not possible to use scripts to control object return functions, which means that there is no automated way to enforce renters' rights to decide exclusively what gets built on their land. The only solution that I can see is to enforce partly through group tools, and partly manually.

[b:2tgp9i49]A two teir franchulates system[/b:2tgp9i49]

The new group tools allow roles to be assigned to members very flexibly in relation to what they can do with group land. However, they do not allow different permissions for different bits of group land.

So, whilst it is possible to control land by having an estate-owner like figure being a member of a group with exclusive power to determine membership of the group, abandon land, split/join parcels, etc., and having the "owner" of the land (in the CDS sense) being a member of that group with power to set the name of the land, set the photograph, set ban and access lists, and all of that sort of thing, using that system, there would have to be a separate group for each parcel of CDS land.

The problem with that is that it would not (I imagine: somebody correct me if I am wrong) allow for bulk land discounts because the group would not own more than one parcel of land. Also, in order for us to retain control, the estate-owner-equivalent would have to be a member of [i:2tgp9i49]all[/i:2tgp9i49] of the groups, and would quickly run out of group allowances (at 25). We would therefore need a great many estate owners (or estate-owning alts) if we were to expand our citizenry that way. That would be possible, however: four EOs/alts could cover 100 citizens, and, in any event, with more citizens and land, we will [i:2tgp9i49]need[/i:2tgp9i49] more EOs because of the administrative costs.

However, if people want to have the discount of bulk land holding, then they will have to be pure renters. Using groups, we could at least stop people who are not citizens at all from building (etc.) on group land (in a similar way as described above, by having renting citizens of the province or borough in question members of a province or borough land group with a few powers in relation to the land of the whole province). Enforcement between citizens of the province or borough in qusetion would have to be manual, with a number of local planning enforcement officers employed by the locality (a member of the province or borough land group with power to return objects in the whole borough, but not to abandon land or buy or sell it, but possibly with the power to divide and combine parcels). If anybody built on somebody else's land, the planning enforcement officer could remove the build. Non-members of the group would have their objects returned automatically after a fixed period of time (I think that that can be done - correct me if I am wrong).

[b:2tgp9i49]Security[/b:2tgp9i49]

To prevent provinces and boroughs breaking away from the CDS, and taking our land with them, only officers of the national government, not local government officials, should be members of the provincial or borough land groups with the power to abandon, buy or sell land. Any officers with those powers should be (1) selected by the national government (Chancellor's office) as being of the highest degree of trustworthiness, and (2) have no direct interest in the provincial land. To prevent rogue EOs trying to make off with money, the same person should never have power in any one group (1) to sell land (in the LL sense of sell), and (2) to take money out of the group funds.

Local planning enforcement officers would be different to marshals of the peace, in that the former would deal primarily with planning violations (people building on other people's land, or people violating zoning rules), whereas marshals of the peace would deal primarily with general griefing.

[b:2tgp9i49]Some general thoughts on logistics[/b:2tgp9i49]

It might be that, in many situations, there would have to be a province-wide policy on which type of land ownership that local dwellers have: either the financially more advantageous pure renting, or the more flexible plot group allocation. It might be that, because of the extra national administrative overhead in the plot group allocation model, the pure renting model would be the default, with the plot group allocation model being an exception for people who particularly need the extra flexibility and can make a strong case for it, although that might have to be assessed by demand. Depending on just how high the administrative burden becomes, it might be that we have to charge a special tax for the group plot allocation model.

As to the relationship between boroughs and provinces, it might well be that a different land allocation model could be used in a borough to the main province, although, again, the land allocation model should probably be subject to national approval.

Even for the pure renting model, it might be worthwhile having a different group for each province (to aid planning enforcement by preventing citizens from one province building on somebody else's land in another province), although those who know more about land and groups than I do may know something that I do not about whether this is impractical.

In the pure rental allocation model, each parcel should have the name of the citizen who, as far as the CDS is concerned, "owns" the land as part of the description of the parcel to make it clear to everybody who owns what, and again to make enforcement easier.

As far as CDS law is concerned, there should be no real difference between the rights of those with title to land under either allocation model: the differenece should be purely technical.

Comments, further ideas and general feeback is appreciated :-)

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makes no sense

Post by Ranma Tardis »

Franchulates make no sense on the mainland. Griefers and a lack of real controls on the land make it inpratical.
You might note that the biggest Land Ower Anshe Chung does not rent out land on the mainland. Sucessful people and groups pay attention to this type of detail. Also Caledon operates in a simular manner.
If we want to expand it is best for all concerned for us to do this by buying more sims. We could make the mainland work but it is more trouble than it is worth.

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Re: makes no sense

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[quote="Ranma Tardis":2bbsrmyt]Franchulates make no sense on the mainland. Griefers and a lack of real controls on the land make it inpratical.
You might note that the biggest Land Ower Anshe Chung does not rent out land on the mainland. Sucessful people and groups pay attention to this type of detail. Also Caledon operates in a simular manner.
If we want to expand it is best for all concerned for us to do this by buying more sims. We could make the mainland work but it is more trouble than it is worth.[/quote:2bbsrmyt]

It really is not enough just to [i:2bbsrmyt]assert[/i:2bbsrmyt] that it is impractical to have franchulates on the mainland, when I have formulated detailed reasons as to precisely how it [i:2bbsrmyt]is[/i:2bbsrmyt] practical. Do you have any reasons to counter my very specific reasons? If so, what are they? If not, do you concede that it is practical?

Incidentally, according to [url=http://www.anshechung.com:2bbsrmyt]Anshe Chung's websiute[/url:2bbsrmyt], she does rent on the mainland: the "buy land" option under the mainland tab contains a "rent or buy?" option.

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Of course the mainland tools are less than ideal for supporting franchulates. On the other hand, the private island tools aren't ideal either. Ideally, we'd be able to share ownership of the sim so no one avatar could sell it. As it is, if the EO decides to abscond with the land, there's little we can do.

Despite that ,we muddle through and take the risk in order that there be a sim, doing the best we can with the tools LL gives us. Franchulates present a similar challenge. Those who voted for the bill believe the positives of having a mainland presence make it worth muddling through with a less than ideal tool set.

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One further point

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Trust is a very important part of the franchulates system: people will be parting with their hard-earned (or hard-bought-on-the-LindeX) Linden Dollars, paying us to buy their land for them, and getting in return a right, enforcable in our legal system, to occupy that land, subject to our laws. There will inevitably be a great many people, probably the majority of SecondLifers, who will not trust [i:1ht0zive]anybody[/i:1ht0zive] with their land, but if lots of people will trust banks and mainland renters, which have no legal regulation at all, then even more people should trust us.

One thing, however, that might help to a considerable extent in helping even more people to trust us is if all land transactions in future (whether in franchulates [i:1ht0zive]or[/i:1ht0zive] on our private islands) were notarised. After all, even if people trust the legal system, people might not trust (whether for good reason or not) the individuals who manage the land and the records about it. Notarisation would be an effective way of addressing that potential concern, and it is good practice to noterise in any event. (I was going to suggest this in any case, but notice that it was discussed at the last CSDF meeting, according to the transcript posted recently)

I understand that the Nota Bene service in the Rathaus is not working at present; it is perhaps, therefore, something of a priority to get that fixed.

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