Advice to our esteemed Chancellor - Roman Brick

[Ceasar Xigalia]

Trebor

I understand that you have told one of our new residents that the texture of his brick is incorrect.

I would suggest you look at the following - one picture is of genuine roman brick, another of the house you questioned, and finally a picture of the texture used, sold as roman brick in CDS by Alexia Carnell.

I challenge you to spot the difference.

Make sure that you understand the covenants, Roman artifacts and how to build before pronouncing judgement.

Ceasar

From the Covenant

Structural elements can be stone, terracotta, clay and roman brick or marble
Roofing elements are terracotta
Flooring elements can be terracotta, marble, stone, brick, mosaic tile or wood
Wall elements can be stone, clay and roman brick, terracotta, stucco or frescoed stucco, marble, iron or bronze.

[Trebor Warcliffe]

Ceasar,

I understand that you have told one of our new residents that the texture of his brick is incorrect.

No I didn't tell him the texture of his brick is incorrect. Unfortunatly I don't have the exact message I sent to him because I sent it to him along with a friend request. I will ask docjoshua_runner if he still has the message I sent to him to please post it here. I do remember roughly what I said to him and it is as follows to the best of my memory.

I just wanted to give you a heads up that you may need to change the texture of your build. I'm not sure if the red brick is within covenants but I need to do some research first. Just wanted to let you know just in case, thank you.

I NEVER said it was incorrect I politely let him know I needed to look into the matter to make sure it was within covenants. It is a texture that looks rather out of place compared to the surrounding builds. Can we PLEASE quit making third party statements without knowing all the facts? From here on in during my term for Chancellor I will only hold public chat conversations that are allowed to be publishable on the forums. If I initiate a private conversation with anyone that will NOT be publishable on the forums but if anyone initates a conversation with me I ask that once initiated we make it a public chat. I feel this will help to avoid any miscommunications or scenarios of he said - she said. This open transparency will, hopefully, eliminate these types of situations.

Thank you,
Trebor Warcliffe

[Patroklus Murakami]

We should have nothing to do with people who say "You said x to y, I disagree with that and the fact that you eat babies". It's a sure fire way of creating conflict (which is the point of it I suppose).

If you have something to say, say it on your own behalf and preferably one to one so disputes can be resolved. Don't bring it to the forums on someone else's behalf. The true intent and content always gets mangled after its been reported once or twice and we end up with false accusations.

[Ceasar Xigalia]

We should have nothing to do with people who say "You said x to y, I disagree with that and the fact that you eat babies". It's a sure fire way of creating conflict (which is the point of it I suppose).

If you have something to say, say it on your own behalf and preferably one to one so disputes can be resolved. Don't bring it to the forums on someone else's behalf. The true intent and content always gets mangled after its been reported once or twice and we end up with false accusations.

Pat,

Amazing, you have just done what you claim to dislike, chime in on a conversation you don't have the facts for.

Doc was very concerned about what Trebor said to him about his house. So concerned in fact that he spoke with a number of people about it including the LRA and myself. Trebor was just plain wrong in his appreciation of the build, as I pointed out, and unfortunately simply worried rather than reassured a new citizen. That is not acceptable, we shouldn't have people in government worrying citizens. There has been too much of that in recent months, and yes Pat I am now speaking personally and the abuse reports I made everyday over 44 days to Linden Labs speak for themselves.

Trebor did login yesterday and spoke with Doc in Cleos, Annas and my presence. Trebor, though concerned more about his own reputation, did eventually answer Docs repeated question and agreed that Docs house is ok. Trebor promised to post that on the forums but as far as I can see has not followed through yet(apologies Trebor if it's on another thread).

So Pat, best take your own advice and not join in where you don't know the facts!

Ceasar

[Trebor Warcliffe]

Ceasar wrote

Trebor, though concerned more about his own reputation, did eventually answer Docs repeated question and agreed that Docs house is ok.

With all due respect Ceasar, you don't give it a rest do you? My concern was that I was misquoted by you here in this thread, not my reputation. As soon as I logged in last night I was asked by you to meet with Doc and I accepted your teleport offer so I could. "Eventually" and "Docs repeated question" was because as I'm trying to speak with Doc in public chat I have Cleo IM'ing me at the same time and I had you interrupting us. It got so bad that Doc had to ask the both of you to let him and I speak. I have admitted elsewhere in the forums that I've made some mistakes and I've apologized for them. To all my fellow citizens, let's spend our time working together as one team instead of working against each other, our goals are the same, to make the CDS the best community on the grid.

docjoshua_runner's build is within the covenants of the CDS.

Thank you,
Trebor Warcliffe

[Patroklus Murakami]

Caesar

Doc is presumably an adult? He can speak for himself then. What we don't need is people reporting conversations on the forums especially when they do so partially and in order to make other people look bad.

I have all the facts I need to comment on your behaviour. Your original post was clearly intended to cause drama. Stop it!

I really dislike this pose of "I'm only standing up for the newcomer". It is utterly transparent. Next time someone comes to you with these concerns I would advise sorting it out privately inworld. There is no need to artificially create drama by bringing it to the forums.

[Bromo Ivory]

We should have nothing to do with people who say "You said x to y, I disagree with that and the fact that you eat babies". It's a sure fire way of creating conflict (which is the point of it I suppose).

Thank goodness no one has said that then, Pat. Good information to have though.

But in all seriousness, despite people sticking their nose in each others business (invited in this case, and uninvited in many others) just adds transparency to the process.

And I find this topic a bit humorous - so in light of that follow this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5EmnQp3V48

[docjoshua runner]

okay this is my second time i have posted this
here it goes
First Pat
I am a older adult so that is why i am slower wading into all this.
I bought my house from a CDS builder.
I had people in front of my house. Met Trebor there in front of my house.
Much Later Trebor send me a friendship message and written on that message
was a statement. He was curious if my texture was acceptable.
I asked the people that was in front of my house if the brick was acceptable.
I found other houses with the red brick. I was not upset. I was concerned.
was my house on the first day of life on CDS not acceptable?
I think people wanted to help me.
Last Night Trebor came over to my house and in front of witnesses.
he gave me the bottom line. It was acceptable.
I am not pointing at who is hero or victim or villian.
I got my answer and there doesnt need to be anything more said about it.
Thank you for your consideration
Doc

[Beathan]

Doc --

Welcome to the CDS. Feel free to friend me and IM me with any concerns you have. Also, I will be announcing periodic meetings at my residence in Colonia Nova to discuss CDS issues with citizens in an unrestricted and informal context to allow me to take those concerns to the Representative Assembly and address them as an elected member of the RA.

For the RA to function properly it must not be merely a chatterbox, but members of the RA must engage with citizens more broadly (and more broadly than simply talking with insular groups of friends). I hope to start of substantive tradition of doing so, and I hope the other members of the RA do likewise.

Beathan Vale