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It is the responsibility of the Chancellor and the Caretaker of CDS to return personally owned prims that are on public property. As Chancellor I am currently taking care of the role of Caretaker. If any citizen has an issue with prims on public lands please notify me and I will address the situation. Please do not take it upon yourself to return someone else's property.
Thank you,
Trebor Warcliffe
Shouldn't this be an Executive Announcement since you didn't seem to leave much in the way of room for discussion?
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"Nenia peno nek provo donos lakton de bovo."
Here is an Idea.
If you had a " team" of reliable people, maybe four or so, one on US time, one on EURO time.. who were online most of the time and part of the exectutive team .. that would be a way to fix this, you could have your "team" of CDS executive members available to patrol CDS for extra prims and covenent violations.
Four would be a good number in total, maybe two more would be good to help the current Chancellors office of Tor Kalsvalt and you.
We are now quite vulnerable to an external prim griefer attack, I would say.
I hope it doesnt happen when you arent online for a while.
Cleopatra looks around for known griefer rezzers trolling the CDS website for opportunities.
Lilith might have some PTO hours left she didnt spend .
Bromo,
You are correct I should have made this statement in the Executive Announcement. I was pressed for time when I made this post and another post so I was trying to get them done as quick as possible so I could leave for my RL engagement. I will repost it in the Executive Announcement forum.
Thank you,
Trebor Warcliffe
Cleo,
I'm not quite sure how we are vulnerable to an external prim grief attack. I certainly hope it doesn't happen either but what a coincidence if we are attacked by someone after you conveniently bring the topic up in the forums. Things that make you go hmmmmmm!!!
I have learned that I accidentally left some doors inworld from a house I rezzed to see if it would work for Tia. I have no problem with anyone randomly returning, or even deleting, anything I litter inworld.
As someone who has spent much of her life patrolling sims and returning stray and inappropriate prims, let me offer a bit of caution, and a reason to strongly support Trebor's statement that this function should be performed by caretakers.
In my humble opinion (IMHO), any prim left by anyone who is not a "member" in some way or fashion of the community resident on that estate should get returned, unless there is a clear and explicit reason to leave it. This includes prims left by griefers, newbies, careless visitors and reckless drivers.
Conversely, any prim left by anyone who IS a "member" in some way or fashion of the community resident on that estate should not be returned without consultation with the prim owner, even if the presence of that prim is in egregious violation of the rules of that estate.
I make these statements in a general way, and not in particular reference to CDS, because IMHO they apply to all communities on all estates.
In theory, any resident should return prims falling into the first catagory, just like any citizen in RL *should* pick up garbage left by others. But in fact, most residents don't know all the members of the community... and when I refer to all members in prim catagory 2, I mean ALL members, even those who may not be landowners. A Caretaker, on the other hand, must have by virtue of their office an awareness of who is who and which prim is returnable and which is not.
So I do beg people in the community to adhere to the CDS tradition, which is now many years old, of referring information about wayward prims to people who's responsibility it is to know the proper way of dealing with such prims, including the Caretakers (of which we often had 3 or 4) and/or any other estate manager, such as in our case the Chancellor. Abandoning this principle will have results very harmful to our community fabric.
Sudane.........................
A few days ago I arrived to find a large stray wall with scenic windows and a roaring fireplace from someone else's build embedded into my building and projecting into my living space. Because I am in Colonia Nova, my building goes right up to the lot line adjoining the road (as per covenant). It was a large linkset and most of it was out on the road so I didn't have the powers to return it myself.
I know they meant no harm - in fact I suspect that it was one of those objects that flies loose and gets lost when a rez box hits a glitch. The owner probably didn't even know it was there. The owner wasn't online, so it probably happened while I was sleeping.
What would be my options under the new executive order?
Bagheera wrote:A few days ago I arrived to find a large stray wall with scenic windows and a roaring fireplace from someone else's build embedded into my building and projecting into my living space. Because I am in Colonia Nova, my building goes right up to the lot line adjoining the road (as per covenant). It was a large linkset and most of it was out on the road so I didn't have the powers to return it myself.
I know they meant no harm - in fact I suspect that it was one of those objects that flies loose and gets lost when a rez box hits a glitch. The owner probably didn't even know it was there. The owner wasn't online, so it probably happened while I was sleeping.
What would be my options under the new executive order?
I think the order only applies to public land and that individual owners can still return trespassing object on their own land?
The stuff wasn't mine, was it? I rezzed some stuff to help Tia -- not in CN -- and I am learning that I didn't do a good job of deleting everything.
Beathan
Bagheera wrote:A few days ago I arrived to find a large stray wall with scenic windows and a roaring fireplace from someone else's build embedded into my building and projecting into my living space. Because I am in Colonia Nova, my building goes right up to the lot line adjoining the road (as per covenant). It was a large linkset and most of it was out on the road so I didn't have the powers to return it myself.
I know they meant no harm - in fact I suspect that it was one of those objects that flies loose and gets lost when a rez box hits a glitch. The owner probably didn't even know it was there. The owner wasn't online, so it probably happened while I was sleeping.
What would be my options under the new executive order?
Talk to the owner? Seriously, 90% of issues people have with neighbours can be solved by talking to them. If your neighbours a jerk you might have to seek help but, apart from one or two notable exceptions, CDS has a lower "jerk" quotient than the rest of SL
Yup - talking to the owner of the prim is good. I was a semi official land cleaner-upper in the distant past and if I found something that had an owner - I would usually talk to both the prim owner and land owner - most things were resolved pretty quickly.
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"Nenia peno nek provo donos lakton de bovo."
No worries, Beathan, it was a name I don't recognize (yet).
I see I didn't make the areas where I was puzzled clear.
1) I did IM the owner, I have no problem with talking to people & I was quite certain it was accidental so they would want to clean it up - the concern was the owner was not online and I had no clue when they would be back.
2) The build extended into my living space (including the cozy fire - ha!) but the bulk of it was on the streetside of the lot lines - on public land. Even though it was on my land, because the bulk of it was on public land, I had no powers to return it.
If I were to turn my property into a more social space or commercial enterprise, (instead of a place where I quietly code and solve problems) that wall would have hidden vendors and ruined any ambiance I would want for customers and guests...so having a clear expectation of when it will be fixed by the proper authorities since that limitation has been placed, becomes really important. In the past when I've had issues, if I see someone nearby with the powers I need - whatever sim or community I'm in - I just IM them and see if they can come over and help. It sounds like that doorway to getting immediate problems solved is now closed.
As I see it, if one has been given the land powers,they probably have already been deemed of good judgment and with the community's best interests at heart; so why not allow them to use the powers they've been granted? until/unless they prove unfit.
Bagheera,
This is not a new Executive Order this was a reminder notice after one citizen returned the property of two other citizens that was on CDS public land.
I see nothing in our covenants, code of laws, or Constitution that would prevent you as a citizen of the CDS returning prims that are left on your private property. I don't even feel their would be a need to contact the prim owner because as I said, it was on your property. Your situation of half on and half off your property, would in my eyes, still allow you to return the prim because it's still on your property.
Trebor Warcliffe