CSDF General Meeting 28 Sept 3pm - Transcript

Patroklus Murakami · Post by **Patroklus Murakami** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:23 am

The next General Meeting of the CSDF will be on [b:3dj55mpo]Thursday 28 Sept at 3pm[/b:3dj55mpo].

Location: [b:3dj55mpo]Pat's Country Home[/b:3dj55mpo] on the Lowland Road, (Neufreistadt 123, 33)

Please add suggested agenda items to my preliminary list by posting here.

[b:3dj55mpo]Agenda[/b:3dj55mpo]
[list:3dj55mpo]1. Welcome to new members

2. Legislative Proposals
-Microplots
-Group Ownership of Land in the CDS
-Expanding the Franchulate Concept

3. Upcoming RA Meeting
-any other business

3. CSDF Future Activities. [/list:u:3dj55mpo]

This is an open meeting so all are welcome to attend

Patroklus Murakami · Post by **Patroklus Murakami** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:50 am

This is an edited transcript of our meeting. We were interrupted by a couple of guys and I've edited out their comments and most of our responses to them. I have the unedited transcript available if anyone would like to see it.

Pat
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[color=Black:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Object-Name: notetaker 2.0.1[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Sienna:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Region: Neufreistadt (246528, 249600)[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Local-Position: (134, 9, 125)[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkGreen:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Meeting on 2006-09-28[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Those present[/b:2vqbl6bf]: [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami is in the chair.[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: pls touch the recorder, yada yada yada![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: lol[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hehe[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: theres an agenda in the notecard giver. anyone want to suggest changes?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: oh[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: anything wrong moon?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well... it will appear eventually inide my inv [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: you may not get them if you're in busy mode [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: inside*[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: oh, that's why... duh [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hehe. first item, new members[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ah, you see... my inv is so stuffy and also inv has so many bugs it's har to tell, lol[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Aleister Ellison joined us this week. welcome to him[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: we've yet to meet though[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: anyone know him?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: welcme to Aleister [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: nope[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: welcome indeed [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Welcome, oh unknown one, hopefully you might become less unknown soon [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: lol gwyn[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: okay, item 2. and lol gwyn![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i've put the legislative proposals on one notecard[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ah, btw[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes moon[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: we will propose an amendment too[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle nods[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: on judiciary[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: about Judiciary Comission[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ah, btw Jon[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: me and Pel also tinkered something about ADR[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle listens[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Oh, good.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: let me try and get the JC one into a notecard[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: can we take that under item 3? upcoming RA meeitng'[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Sure[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I'm sorry for not being able to make any further comments on Moon's email sooner[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: we gave the microplots and group ownership a good going over at the Extraordinary Meeting on Sunday[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: would moon or jon like to say any more about them? introduce them for discussion?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ... most of you might have missed the mail I've sent an hour or so ago, but let me say, I have nothing to add to the Microplot bill![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, microplot seems pacific enough[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: wow![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: since we're not evicting anyone, just retaking plots as they become available[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I ran into Ashcroft also, had a short conversation about the frach bill.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: can we take them in turn jon? i think franch might provoke more discussion than the other two![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: sure.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Indeed [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: shall i tell you the upshot of my attempt to talk to the microplot owners?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Yes, please.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i IMd all ten of them. some responded and i was able to have IM or email conversations with a few[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: no one was terribly upset by our plans. provided they didn't lose their current entitlement to citizenship[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: uh-huh[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: No, that would be guaranteed.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i get the impression they're a diverse group[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: some joined because citizens asked them to, some joined for specific projects[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Interesting. What sort of projects?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: All right... seems reasonable, all in all.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i'm trying not to identify them too obviously [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i directed them all towards the forums where the discussion was taking place[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i don't think any have posted a defence of microplots[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: so i think we should put this proposal up for discussion[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: nods, ok[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Okay.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Gwyn, Yoge?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I already said that I had nothing to add on the microplots [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yoge?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: sorry[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ah, haven't read mail yet tonight, was researching[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: walked awat from my desk for a moment (still in the office)[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: aah, okay [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i'm fine with this as written[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, let's move on to group ownership. if you have any comments on microplots yoge, pls jump in later[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Great [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i can post as we decide, even[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i'm happy with the revised bill[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok PAT [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: oops[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle smiles and nods[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ooh moon's shouting at me now![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: lol[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: lol[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: haha[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: btw i was planning to post this transcript and sunday's after the RA meeting, that okay with everyone?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: np [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Sure[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: np[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: tho ash is already champing at the bit to hear what we had to say on sunday:)[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: any further thoughts on group land?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: heh heh[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Well, Pat, let me see....[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: no, i agree with bill[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: looks fine to me[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Tsk. Ah.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami listens to gwyn[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Wait just a moment ?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I need to check what bill this will supercede[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: so that we can add something like "bill # XXX will be void after this one is passed"[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Okay.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok, i'll hand out Judiciary Amendment as you look that up[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: oh right, i didn't realise is made anything else defunct[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Yes, Pat, there is *somewhere* on the legislation that groups cannot own land[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes, i have that notion as well[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: that was a bill (I think? or in the covenants perhaps?) to try to keep the plots small-sized[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: But please do go on with the discussion[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: can we move on to franchulates while gwyn searches?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Yes yes, please do[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hmmm, just one question[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes moon?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: doesn't RA archivist add those bits to bills?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i mean, research back, add a note...[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: gang, i am going to leave the office and go home - should be back with you in 20 minutes or so[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: see you in a bit![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: nods, sure Yoge! [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hmm, not sure. i thought they just acted as a kind of librarian rather than repositry of knowledge[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: see you soon yoge[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: guess it should be 'somebodys' job tho[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: would someone care to introduce the franch bill?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle listens to Moon[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, this bill xpands teh current franch bill in terms of political defnition of the franchualte owners[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: it also proposes a procedure for franch process, with clear definition of teh intervenients[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: it also sets limits to franch expansion - very cautious ones[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hmmmm, that's it, more or less[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes, i wondered about that[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: you have put in a couple of failsafes - only 5% of CDS territory in any RA term, and only in the first two months[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: what was the reasoning behind that[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: firt two months is that you don't have a hmm sudden expansion just before elections [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: and 5% of area is a fallsafe to answer teh concerns expressed on a too fast expansion[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: To avoid the micropolot scenario ..[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Ah, my apologies[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i guess both of those limits are negotiable/ debateable?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hmmm, of course[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I can't find it. In any case, the microplot bill supercedes NL 4-11, Citizenship Expansion Act (Microplot Act)[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: they are, after all, just numbers, and can be changed at any time by another bill[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes gwyn, it does. we should make that clear[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok Gwyn, thanks [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Thanks Gwyn[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: No apologies needed, since I didn't find the group ownership thingy anyway...[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, i'd suggest using a fraction, like 1/16, as this is easier to work out in SL land terms than a percentage [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, maybe not easier to work out, just more 'usual'[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: 2^-4 [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn is NOT a math geek[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: gotta love those powers of 2![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: lol[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: BTW, let me open my email with some comments...[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hmmm, ok, 1/16 then?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Actually I have been thinking about our expansion.. It seems to me that at a rate of one or two additional sims each year, our population as a percentage of SL will continue to get smaller and smaller.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Not that I mind, actually.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes... that is why franchs and burghs are interesting[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hehe yes, Jon.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, we may find a way to expand more rapidly than that jon. but i agree we should continue to explore alternative ways of expanding[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Invasion? Annexation? War? [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle lol Gwyn[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: lol gwyn[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ... well *you* were talking about World Domination Now when I arrived[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn wonders why[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i'm happy for this to be debated/ proposed on the forums, but i still have some questions/concerns[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: NFS attacks![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle listens to Pat[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: gwyn, we were talking about herbie who has contacted a few of us[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: and we are used to schlagge, so awful music won't turn our brains into mash [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Ok, I have just two slight comments to make after Pat...[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: think he wants to discuss a sl-wide gov[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: and who is Herbie (beside the obvious answer "a car in a Disney movie")?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: aaah[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: He is insane, lol[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: lol gwyn![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i still don't really see who its' going to work (i've seen his myspace page - insane but cute )[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: never saw that![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: *how[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Well. There was a 250-post long thread in September 2004,[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: about SL-wide government,[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: a discussion sponsored by Robin Linden.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Net result:[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: zero?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i can't get my head round the 'you give us your land for peanuts in return for govnt' v. 'the CDS pays you a market price for your lovely land'[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: 99.7% said "no to any form of Government"[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: 0.3% created Neualtenburg [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Well,[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: great 0.3%[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: let's invite this Herbie to a seminar on Government in SL.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: it's so good to see everyone understands the advantages of modern societies... [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: anyway[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: where were we?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Pat was finishing his announcement, I believe?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: And I wanted to add some comments on the franchulates afterwards.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle listens to Pat[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, one of my concerns[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: as i just outlined. i can't see how its going to work[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Oh, do you mean economically?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, the tier transference is a good idea[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I can see that. Actually this does little to change the economics of the earier bill.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: It just adds the political dimension.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes, lol i am sure Pel understands much more of economics than me, so i let it stand[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: do we know if anybody has enfranchulated under the existing bill?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i don't think so[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: we have negotiated this revision also[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Neither do I[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I understand from Pel that there are several people who are planning to move ahead with it.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: so i think the eventual franchs may be waiting for this[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: gwyn, you had some comments you wanted to make[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Ok, one question I have: " The CDS can delay a franchulate application till when/if the Estate Owner's tier allowance allows a mutually beneficial arrangement." Who is the CDS in this case?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes, exactly Jon[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: The RA, the Treasurer, the Chancellor...?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: And for how long can they delay?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: teh Chancellor, who conducts teh process[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: untill they have beneficial tier[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Let's put that on the bill.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: indefinitley i guess, as moon says, until the planets are in alignment and it's a good deal for all concerned[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: oh... *sighs and opens Pages*[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Good So I'd just add "The Executive branch of the CDS can delay..." and the rest is fine.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Next issue [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes gwyn [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: "The covenants valid on the private islands of the CDS do not apply to the franchulate parcels, and therefore no previous building or structure present shall be deleted."[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: While this is pretty obvious,[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I would suggest rewriting it into something slightly different:[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: "Franchulates will be able to define new covenants for their land and thus retain previous buildings or structure..."[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: oh, good idea[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Yes, I like it.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Well, I just dislike "uncovenanted land".[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes, and that seems to fit with the idea expressed on the forums, that some groups may wish to develope their own specific covenants to cater for lifestyle/special interest groups[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Exactly.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Also, Ashcroft's idea of "charters" and not only covenants... should we include it?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok .)[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Indeed.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: (no, I forgot to write that on the email I sent you)[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant listens to Gwyn[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Nothing to listen to, dear Moon [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Ashcroft basically just suggested,[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: some groups, besides having "nice buildings" ,[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: will also have their own social structures.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: chartesrs, iunderstand[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: So, he suggests to create "franchulate charters"[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: those are recorded where?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: The reasoning,[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: noatrised?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: notarised*[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: recorded? at the CDS notary, of course.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Yes.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: so another clause[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hmmm[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Well[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I found Ash's ideas rather good there.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, we could inlcude it, or we could let ash suggest an amendment. why not let him work it up?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Mostly, to make sure that a Furry community could require all its citizens there to be furries,[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: and wouldn't be able to get a sudden influx of Goreans to throw them out [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: wb yoge [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hi![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Yoge, welcome back! You're SO quick [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Franchulates can define their own charters, as long they don't conflict with the codes, Constitution and TOS of the CDS. These charters are valid on the franchulate area and must be notarised.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Hi Yoge! [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: hi Yoge [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: works for me[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: lol, the benefit of living close to work [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Sounds good.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Yes[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Moon, that sounds good to me![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok, yoge, do you have any comments on the franchulate proposal?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok, registered[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: none right now[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i will read the transcript..[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: sounds like we have another proposal for the forum:)[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok, i also must re-send this to Pel[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: one sec[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: shall we move on to 3? the rest of the RA meeting? in particular moon' judiciary amendment[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][i:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees to go to 3[/i:2vqbl6bf][/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I wanted to mention the conversation I had with Ash.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes jon?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Ah, please do.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Aparently many of the ideas we have been throwing around, in particular Gwyn mentioned the Burgh idea, and ones that he has already thought of[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: back[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Except using land instead of money as a deposit..[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: I suppose this means that he will support some of these approaches.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: That sounds good... doesn't it?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, that's good to hear[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Yes, I think so.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: shall we move on to the judiciary amendment?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: ok[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: sure[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: this is an attempt to unblock the Jud discussion[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i like this amendment[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: there are in fact 2 of them[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: it in effect removes the judiciary from any political entanglement[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: first the simpler one, which i discussed with Pel this afternoon[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: on ADR[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Amicable Dispute resolve[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: the amend just states that individuals can recur to ADR to solve conflicts[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Ah yes, good point, Moon. I had completely forgotten it.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: let's take ADR first[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: and that individuals or organizations can perform ADR services[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Thus, allowing, say, Mirabeau Scribe to become a moderator, just because Diderot "says so"[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: does anyone know why some are so hung up on this?[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: no, lol[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: or the guild's Chamber of Commerce could become a moderator for owners of businesses[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: exactly Gwyn[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i am not sure, btw, if Pel has completed this some more[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Well Pat... we can ask Yoge & Jon about what has been discussed in the US recently regarding ADR[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: in the US this is often called community dispute resolution, parties agree and then are bound by the decision, it save enormous amounts of time and money in the judicial system[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Navy:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2vqbl6bf]: seems to me that ash is right that this is a strange thing to have in the constitiion![/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Hmm[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Well,[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=Indigo:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2vqbl6bf]: remember, we had NO judiciary [/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: well, from what i gather, Jurisprudence has its fashions as well, lol[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: and ADR is one[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: yes[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkRed:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Jon Seattle[/b:2vqbl6bf]: Yes, it is popular in the US and does seem to work in many cases.[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Moon Adamant[/b:2vqbl6bf]: i do agree though that the state can be eased if individuals do a serious attempt at moderation before hand[/color:2vqbl6bf]
[color=DarkOrange:2vqbl6bf][b:2vqbl6bf]Yogeswari Padar[/b:2vqbl6bf]: for non-criminal situations, it can make good sense[/color:2vqbl6bf]

Patroklus Murakami · Post by **Patroklus Murakami** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:51 am

[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, if it helps to get a resolution of the impasse i say go for it. it's not a biggie for me [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: indeed lol[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: ok[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Judiciary Commission[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: I am curious though, how many cases can we expect to come before our judge in the first year or so?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: i have a couple of qns about your proposed judiciary commission though[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Ashcroft only fears that if this gets "too" institutionalised, it'll become a mini-judiciary,[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: aka JC or the Thingy [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: let me introduce it to you[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: that's why I suggest NOT institutionalising it *at all*[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: principally, who would serve on it? and how would it be a non-governmental organisationn, when everybody's involved in government! lol[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: oh[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, firt of all you must see that you need to have a way to say 'this guy is a judge' - professional aknowledgemt[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: issue there - it is a meritocrat thingy, a corporativism[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: now, i personally think that meritocracies shouldn't be inside teh state[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: well yes, who selects the jc? how is it set up? who sets it up?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Hmm. my worry is that it may open a lot of other questions..[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: the RA will appoint a starting person for it[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: as it would in case Ash's proposal would go forward[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: that's the only concern i have, moon[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: is that the RA appoints the chair, which can turn it into a political thing[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: IF RA appoints, then it is surely right, since RA holds the power granted to it by the people, as only cureently elected branch[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: the commission itself is a wonderful idea[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, Yoge[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Well, Yoge... at the very least you'd know two things:[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes, good point. How can we make sure that it is not a political organization?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: later on, they can hold elections, or a drinking contest[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: 1) this judge would have been through a thorough process of being admitted,[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: BEFORE he would ever be appointed[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: i agree[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: you see that this is called an installation commitee[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: and 2) there will always be an Ethical Committee (or Office, as Moon calls it) to see that this judge behaves.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: and because the entire process is public, there is a check against the commission[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: exactly Yoge[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: So, sure, the RA will have "nice" judges during a term[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: let me carry on[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: but after that... bye bye[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: sorry [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: sorry Moon [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: you see that this Thingy only ssays A, B and C are judges[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: go on moon[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: then someone else appoints them[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: so that org, with is tThingy#2[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: can actually hold a check on this JC[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: and later on, RA can even revoke an appointment of a Judge with a qualified vote[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Well, how about this question. Say the JC is someone involved in politics and writes a biased exam. Only lets people pass who have some particular opinions.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: amendments on that are being prepared by teh DPU[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: JOn[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: is that something you plan to add to the proposal?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: oh u said the dpu would[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: You'll have the Ethical Committee to deal with that person, Jon.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: you know, that is exactly what i think about the Order of Architects here in Portugal [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][i:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle smiles and nods to Moon[/i:1lb6v7az][/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: hmmm, why do you reject Ash's arguments 'against' political appointment of judges?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: but nevertheless, you do have someone acknowledging the professionals[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: you must have, you see[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: we've just see the split in the RA along party lines on the Chancellor, do you want a 'dpu' set of judges?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: *seen[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: this the same thing, though hopefully the Thingy won't hold a 3-day exam [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: ah, they can only revoke, on serious charges[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, ash's plans seemed a little ornate for my liking[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: you see that hmmm[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: i can't recall now, how did he say the first judge thingy should be selected?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: oh, gwyn?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: sorry, my head is a mess lately lol[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Yes, Moonie?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Ah[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: i actually discussed that with him, but can't remember![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: I don't recall either.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: You did? Hehe[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Well, I didn't. So I don't remember.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes, on the fmous Thingy discussion [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: anyway[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: I suppose throwing a coin should do,[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: the DPU is also proposing an amend[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: after all, that's how NFS got a Dean anyway [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: for that the heads of Thingy#1 and Thingy#2 can't be the same person[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: didn't he suggest the SC would appoint the first one? as they are the quasi-judicial branch?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: ah Pat[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: you see, i think the issue also was teh double appointment[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: of one single person[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: and there he makes another good point - who's around to do it? why do we need two people?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: and you see[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Yes, that clouded the discussion [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: the SC is a meritocracy too [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: so better do it through the RA, for the installing commission[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][i:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn listens to Pat reasoning like a true ashcroftian [/i:1lb6v7az][/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: i'm getting better at channelling ash, it's true![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: and later on they can have set the inner procedures[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Well... why can't the Dean be the Chancellor too?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: if you depend meritocracies on the one meritocracy of SC...[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Answer: because one is providing checks on the other.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, i'm opposed to the RA choosing the head of the judiciary commission or any other member of the judiciary[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: hmm Pat[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: then how should it be done?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: for all the reasons ash outlined[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: I am a bit amazed at how much energy and time this Judiciary bill has taken, on everyone's part.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][i:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds Jon. Whew[/i:1lb6v7az][/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: it is VITAL that this passes this weekend[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: we need the judiciary to be independant and free from political influence[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: it *has* taken a long time, lol![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: installing commission only, Pat...[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: you can even add that as clause[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Good. So let's get someone outside NFS to pick one [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Say, Prokofy, Ulrika...[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: lol[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: or better, propose a bill along the amend[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: but quite frankly, from this week on i will have much less time to deal with these matters[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: so i am trying to step over this big big boulder [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: but then the judiciary commission is tainted from the start by virtue of being a 'political' appointee[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Yes, I would also love to start to see some of our political ideas for this term to be actually *proposed* and discussed,[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: like the Republic model[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: i tell you what i told Ash[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: and what about the inner politics of the JC?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Yes, Gwyn, indeed.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: I am concerned that we are letting the DPU set too much of the adgenda.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: i mean, it is naive to think that these organisms will be pristine, untainted by politics - at the very least, they will have their own inside politics [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: this is true[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: but, the good thing about this proposal, is that once appointed, the commission has to become non-political in its examination process[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: so fundamental to hold checks on those[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, of course they will. all human organisatoins involve 'politics' but that's not an argument for political appointees[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: surely the reverse?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: hmmm, if i have the installer set by the DPU, then it is clear to me that he will have a political partisanry[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: or by the CSDF, on that matter[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes Moon, true[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: i really think that the solution for imaprtiality is not depending on people unpartisanry[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: but to have ALL partinries inside[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: partinsaries*[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: ouch, sorry for the zillion typos[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: moon, i might have missed this, but does the RA approve the commission's judicial standards and code of ethics?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: And I think Sudane's example in the last election makes me thing that there is no one here who can be far enough from politics.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: no, they are self-defined[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: but public[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: indeed[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: as long as there is transparency, i think this is the best we can do[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: What would your suggestion be, Pat?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes, listens to pat [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: but don't you feel at all worried that our tendency with all things is to make them more complicated and overlay additional bureaucracy?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: i would like to keep it simple where possible[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: no[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: i really don't have any issue with ash' proposals in this regard[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: why is that? these guys could be as bureau as they wish, they are not the state[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat, I think the poltical reality here is that Ash's proposal will not pass.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Appointment?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: no, what i mean is this[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: pat, this is a comprmise between Ash's and jutice's stands[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: And who appoints the appointers? [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: if the RA is doing the appointing it's a poor compromise, in my opinion[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat, just for the first time[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: So it should be whom?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: then it runs on[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, you could use the US supreme court model and let the chancellor appoint, with vetting and approval by the RA[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: the SC should appoint as in the proposal[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat, let me give you an example[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: The SC, right. That bunch of dangerous left-wingers [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: lol[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: here, in schools, the teachers elect the school board[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Wait. I meant, tyrannical despots.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: lol[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: but when the ministery makes a new school[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: the ministery appoints an installing commission[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: that installs the things[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: and namely[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: prepares the first election[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: of teh first board[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: see?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: exactly the same thing[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Anyway... we can't discuss another half hour on that[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes, we can't[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat, this is a compromise that was reached by negotiation[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: back to the point[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes, back to the point[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: look, it this is going to break the deadlock then fine, discuss it at the RA meeting[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Hmm Pat[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes, i do hope so[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: What will the DP suggest? Does anyone know?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: i just hope there will be some chance to discuss this on the forums beforehand[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: I hope so too.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Will they go for SC appointment, or RA voting?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: i have some reall problems with process here[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Actually, I am not sure if this is a deadlock however.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: you see that the DPU can tirn Justice's amendments into bills and vote them on their own...[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: it sounds like ppl are cobbling together a compromise without seriously engaging with the issues[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Olive:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Redaktisto Noble[/b:1lb6v7az]: Hello all. Hope I'm not intruding.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: hi Redak [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: justice's refusal to debate ash on the forums is a big problem in my opinion[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: redak, you're most welcome [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Green:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Damian Nogah[/b:1lb6v7az]: Hi Redak[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat, there is no reason, according to the rules, that anyone Has to listen to Ashcroft.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: namaste[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: have a seat .9[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: hi redak, welocme[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat, I tend to agree on that, but well... it's Justice's choice.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: and pls touch the recorder to indicate consnt to be recorded[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Olive:1lb6v7az][i:1lb6v7az]Redaktisto Noble has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:1lb6v7az][/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, justice can choose not to debate ash and that is his right but what does that say about the strength of his arguments?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: *sigh*[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: i think that after two months of dicussion, not reaching a better procedure happens because maybe a better procedure can't be reached[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Ah, sadly so.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: for instance, here, we do have all branches appointing judges to Supreme Court[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Olive:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Redaktisto Noble[/b:1lb6v7az]: Sorry I know I'm coming in late, but as a quick straw poll who's in favor of the proposal and who's against it?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: but the problem is that there isn't enough discussion. ideas like the one you've presented today need to be tested and tried in public e.eg on the forums[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Which of the many ones, Redak? [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: that'sthe only way you get a better procedure[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: but Pat[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Olive:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Redaktisto Noble[/b:1lb6v7az]: Ashcroft's.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: i discussed it with Ash too[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: but you can get this amend and post it for discussion and discuss[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Even Ashcroft has perhaps some 5 or 6 proposals... I assume you're thinking about the judicial system, right?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Olive:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Redaktisto Noble[/b:1lb6v7az]: Haha yes, Gwyn.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Well... we're almost there on a common proposal.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: If we can get Pat to agree on how to get the first judge elected/appointed[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Well, I see both sides of that. Pat, there is a lot of research on decision making using forums, and it turns out not to be very effective. The problem is that disussions tend to diverge, and as we have seen some of the outcome does not depend on[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: bye bye Damian, take care [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: isn't it better to approve this and then refine?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: the strength of any argument.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Olive:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Redaktisto Noble[/b:1lb6v7az]: brb[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: ok, so where do we stand?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][i:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn sees people thinking [/i:1lb6v7az][/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: lol gwyn[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, i've said all i have to say really[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: hmmm[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Which is basically having the SC appointing the "first judges".[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat, though i would prefer an appointment by the RA[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: m etoo[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: I will say one thing. I REALLY hope we pass this bill or stop discussing it as it is rapidly becomming the reason for NFS's extistance.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: i think actually the matter is going to be proposed by Dpu's amends[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: at least the RA is accountable to the voters[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: hear hear, Jon![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: We are soon not to be a sim but a legal debating society.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: basically, i see no good reason for the amendmeent beyond the need to reach a deal. i'm concerned about process atc[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: hehe Jon. Indeed [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: lol jon[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Well[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: I understand your concern on political vs. apolitical (meritrocratic) appointments,[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: as well as the issue wbout Justice not deigning to answer Ashcroft's questions[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: but hmm[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: What else on the "process" is wrong, Pat?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: ah, sorry[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: went to check[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: the DPU will set the SC appointing[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: sorry, dealing with silly little boys[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: hehe sorry for that... i think I'm partially responsible for them [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: I will need to go in five minutes.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, they're far away already[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: me too, time for bed[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: scrolling back[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: so be happy Pat [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: oh geyn, you're such a flirt [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: *gwyn[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: awww[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: I was just being nice to the poor newbies once[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: lol[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: I always wondered *why* they came to Neufreistadt![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Well, we have our traditional hospitality here [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, carrying on[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: cos we're so famous [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: hehe[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes, let's conclude[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: about future activities[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: speaking of which, did you see we made the wired magazine article?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: well, firt of all, site is going to be delayed [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: since i must put CN as top priority[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Really, Yoge?!?![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Do you have a link for that?![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: great article on SL in the oct issue[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: no link, but i can scan and email[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: i have the paper version[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: the wolrd map says this about n'stadt:[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][i:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle listens very interested[/i:1lb6v7az][/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: "The inhabitants of the Bavarian town live under strict regulations, with officials[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: elected according to a rigorously designed constitution."[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Strict?![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: coughs[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: lol, that's what it says![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Rigorus!?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: i'll scan the article and email it[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: lol, please Yoge [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: ah, also[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: the article is great, and the world map is a 3-page size pull-out[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: hmmmm[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: we really must start discussing our platform[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: How cool... who is the author of that article? [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat, what's happening?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: sorry, just readjusting my camera[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: it's called a "Wired Travel Guide"[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: our friends are bannned from my land so are hovering on the outskirts[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: hehe[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: I see.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: authors include SL Hamlet Au[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: aaah[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Ok, that would explain it [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: shall i let them back in, freeze them and dress them up as girlies?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: rofl Pat![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: lol![/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: and take photos?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: Bingham Roundfield[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkRed:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Jon Seattle[/b:1lb6v7az]: Pat, Sudane is on.. you may want to warn her.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: Tuber Quatro[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: Walker Spaight[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Oh, come on... they're not being THAT disruptive[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: oh... Walker Spaight?[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Impressive.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Well, he's a long-date Wired collaborator.[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Moon Adamant[/b:1lb6v7az]: Tuber Quatro MUST be an avatar....[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: Walker Spaight is one as well [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Navy:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1lb6v7az]: i must look up that article as well[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: they even have a photo of kurt vonnegut's avi[/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=Indigo:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1lb6v7az]: appropriate [/color:1lb6v7az]
[color=DarkOrange:1lb6v7az][b:1lb6v7az]Yogeswari Padar[/b:1lb6v7az]: yes they all are avi names[/color:1lb6v7az]

Patroklus Murakami · Post by **Patroklus Murakami** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:52 am

[color=Navy:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Patroklus Murakami[/b:352bpxru]: shall we end our meeting?[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Indigo:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:352bpxru]: Please...[/color:352bpxru]
[color=DarkOrange:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Yogeswari Padar[/b:352bpxru]: lol[/color:352bpxru]
[color=DarkSlateGray:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Moon Adamant[/b:352bpxru]: oh, just one thing[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Indigo:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:352bpxru]: We're now just idly chatting anyway.[/color:352bpxru]
[color=DarkSlateGray:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Moon Adamant[/b:352bpxru]: please, everyone[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Indigo:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:352bpxru]: "oh just one thing"...[/color:352bpxru]
[color=DarkSlateGray:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Moon Adamant[/b:352bpxru]: we do need to start implementing our platform through legislation[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Indigo:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:352bpxru]: Ah yes.[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Indigo:352bpxru][i:352bpxru]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*[/i:352bpxru][/color:352bpxru]
[color=Navy:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Patroklus Murakami[/b:352bpxru]: lets make that the first item for discussion next week[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Teal:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Poodilly Jeegoo[/b:352bpxru]: Excuse me, I'm a college student and need to find out some information about some communities on second life. I was wondering if you could answer just a few questions?[/color:352bpxru]
[color=DarkRed:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Jon Seattle[/b:352bpxru]: Yes, most important.[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Indigo:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:352bpxru]: Hi Poodilly [/color:352bpxru]
[color=DarkSlateGray:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Moon Adamant[/b:352bpxru]: me and Jon DO need backbenching n that[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Teal:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Poodilly Jeegoo[/b:352bpxru]: HI[/color:352bpxru]
[color=DarkSlateGray:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Moon Adamant[/b:352bpxru]: hi Poodilly[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Navy:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Patroklus Murakami[/b:352bpxru]: hi poodilly, come in and we'll chat in a minute[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Indigo:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:352bpxru]: Please come in, our meeting was almost finished anyway [/color:352bpxru]
[color=Teal:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Poodilly Jeegoo[/b:352bpxru]: Okay thanks a lot.[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Navy:352bpxru][b:352bpxru]Patroklus Murakami[/b:352bpxru]: ok, i'm ending recording[/color:352bpxru]
[color=Blue:352bpxru][i:352bpxru]The meeting closed at 17:8 Linden time.[/i:352bpxru][/color:352bpxru]

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