[7:03] Callipygian Christensen: morning everyone
[7:03] Lilith Ivory: Hi Pat
[7:04] Shep Titian: Hi Calli
[7:04] Bells Semyorka: legal begal hour!
[7:04] Callipygian Christensen: oh..I must be in the wrong place!
[7:04] Bells Semyorka: lol
[7:04] Soro Dagostino: Delia is on line.
[7:05] Bells Semyorka: ok no more sillyness, Serious time
[7:05] Shep Titian: I vote for sillyness
[7:06] Callipygian Christensen conjures Delia
[7:06] Lilith Ivory: Hi Delia 
[7:06] Callipygian Christensen: and hopes she doesnt crash
[7:06] Shep Titian: Hi Delia
[7:06] Patroklus Murakami: hi calli, delia
[7:08] Callipygian Christensen: Delia is on her phone, power out in the neighbourhood and a shaky connection
[7:08] Callipygian Christensen: I am not sure if she is really *here* from the TP
[7:08] Delia Lake: good morning. apologies for where I'm standing but I can't move. electric power is out in my rl neighborhood so I'm on my phone with almost no connection bars
[7:09] Callipygian Christensen: ah, there she is
[7:09] Soro Dagostino: Then, why don't we begin I see here.
[7:09] Bells Semyorka: thanks for showing up Delia. that's a commitment I wish more would have
[7:09] Patroklus Murakami: hope your mobile has lots of juice delia. you don't want to be without that!
[7:10] Bells Semyorka: best of luck for today
[7:10] Callipygian Christensen: its good practise for after the downfalll of civilization Delia
[7:10] Lilith Ivory: I see Arria just arrived online maybe we should wait for her
[7:10] Soro Dagostino: kk
[7:10] Delia Lake: lol Calli
[7:11] Callipygian Christensen: I actually have a thing tht lets me give a cellphone and emergency boost form regular batteries..a good thing to have
[7:11] Soro Dagostino: The agenda was posted in the forum
[7:11] Soro Dagostino: Official SC page.
[7:12] Arria Perreault: Hi everybody
[7:12] Bells Semyorka: Hi Arria!
[7:12] Delia Lake: hubby has a charged phone. checked. thx Pat. need to get what you haave, Calli
[7:12] Arria Perreault: sorry to be late
[7:12] Lilith Ivory: Hi Arria
[7:12] Callipygian Christensen: If anotice was sent out about this meeting, I didnt get it - although it may have crossed paths with my log in and gone to email
[7:12] Soro Dagostino: Hello Arria.
[7:12] Bells Semyorka: Didnt recieve a notice
[7:13] Lilith Ivory: I didn´t get one also
[7:13] Shep Titian: No notice
[7:14] Soro Dagostino: Posted on the Forum yesterday
[7:14] Callipygian Christensen: I meant an inworld notice that it is now happening Soro..shall I send one?
[7:14] Soro Dagostino: Yes
[7:15] Soro Dagostino: Sorry I have to leave for a second.
[7:15] Soro Dagostino: Delia would you chair.
[7:16] Delia Lake: can't chair, too much lag on phone. Calli, could you please chair?
[7:17] Callipygian Christensen: done - had to use a SLurl since SL has eaten all my landmarks to here
[7:17] Callipygian Christensen: oh..ok
[7:17] Lilith Ivory: seems to become a typical SL sunday 
[7:17] Callipygian Christensen: Good morning everyone, lets begin
[7:18] Callipygian Christensen: Todays agenda can be found here: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3736
[7:18] Shep Titian: Cheers from the stands
[7:18] Callipygian Christensen: Do any members of the SC have any additional items they wish to add to the agenda or any other amendment to it?
[7:18] Arria Perreault: I don't have
[7:18] Lilith Ivory: not me
[7:19] Callipygian Christensen: Then we will proceed with the agenda as posted
[7:19] Callipygian Christensen: Item 1: 1. A discussion of the commission established by the RA re the SC: SC's discussion to begin framing the issues along with study and review of references.
[7:19] Callipygian Christensen: Delia, would you like to speak to this first while we still have you?
[7:21] Delia Lake: better for me to post short comments to what others say today
[7:21] Callipygian Christensen: (*While I hope Delia is typing, Ill first offer apologies to the SC for not having copleted some writing and posting i agreed to last meeting - RL has been incredibly intrusive lol and I hope to get caught up this coming week)
[7:21] Callipygian Christensen: ok Delia..Ill speak and you can concur or correct
[7:22] Callipygian Christensen: Delia and I met with Pat after our last SC meeting and I believe had aproductive discussion regarding the possible changes to the SC's methods of action
[7:24] Callipygian Christensen: I'd like to point out that the RA did not form a commmission, so thee meetings, along with Pat and Beathan, are more a working group
[7:24] Delia Lake: only would ask that SC and citizenry read some of original thinking of founderd, in posted archive link, as to original concepts for or govt. not read now but soon as important to discussions upcoming
[7:24] Callipygian Christensen: Dliaand I are both working on some drafts , but hope to meet with Pat and Beathan to get Beathan's input before we finalize any drafts and curculate
[7:25] Delia Lake: yes, Calli
[7:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Welcome Titus
[7:26] nmgs55 Resident: Hi
[7:26] Callipygian Christensen: Delia is also finalizing a document of URLs to background and history - the information in it is extensive, but good knowledge to have in place for anyone on the SC or involved in defining its actions, so please read what you can of it when circulated
[7:27] Callipygian Christensen: Lilith, Arria, do you have any comments?
[7:27] Lilith Ivory: not at the moment
[7:27] Arria Perreault: nothing for the moment
[7:27] Callipygian Christensen: Then we will move to item 2
[7:27] Arria Perreault: (thank you for the hard work of research)
[7:28] Lilith Ivory: (I agree)
[7:28] Soro Dagostino: For the record I am back.
[7:28] Callipygian Christensen: First though, nmgs, welcome and please be aware that these proceedings are transcripted and posted on the Forums of CDS
[7:29] nmgs55 Resident: ok
[7:29] Callipygian Christensen: Soro, we are now at item 2 but have not begun
[7:29] Soro Dagostino: Lets proceed
[7:29] Callipygian Christensen hands back the stick of spaghetti that passes for a gavel here
[7:29] Soro Dagostino: Proponent?
[7:30] Patroklus Murakami: is that me/
[7:30] Patroklus Murakami: ?
[7:30] Delia Lake: yes Pat
[7:30] Soro Dagostino: Speak to it please
[7:30] Patroklus Murakami: ok
[7:30] Patroklus Murakami: i worked out the key dates for the next few election cycle and posted them on the forums.
[7:31] Patroklus Murakami: tor did the same for the next set of elections
[7:31] Patroklus Murakami: but we have slightly different dates
[7:31] Patroklus Murakami: no doubt because our election rules are so complex
[7:31] Patroklus Murakami: i propose that the RA consider both sets of dates, determine the correct ones and then post them where all can see them for the next few election cycles
[7:32] Patroklus Murakami: so we can avoid any misunderstanding in the run up to an election
[7:32] Patroklus Murakami: and recriminations thereafter
[7:32] Patroklus Murakami: done
[7:32] Patroklus Murakami: sorry SC, not RA
[7:32] Patroklus Murakami: oops
[7:33] Patroklus Murakami: here's the thread tor started with both sets of dates in it
[7:33] Patroklus Murakami: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3683
[7:34] Soro Dagostino: Questions for Pat
[7:34] Delia Lake: do we have to resolve any issues re citizenship start date re RA commission discussions first?
[7:35] Delia Lake: re 28 days?
[7:35] Patroklus Murakami: the citizenship transparency commission has not considered changing any of the dates for qualification
[7:35] Patroklus Murakami: it has looked at which categories of citizenship should continue/be abolished e.g. landowning, partners, groups, sponsors
[7:36] Callipygian Christensen: pat, your dates seem to have done so though? The date is the same for qualifying to run and to vote
[7:36] Patroklus Murakami: i've interpreted the constitution in one way - so the date for qualificaiton to run and vote is the same. tor interpreted the constitution in a different way and got different dates.
[7:37] Patroklus Murakami: i propose that you decide which (if any) interpretation is correct
[7:37] Delia Lake: yes, so the start of cotozenship is land purchase on hippo? or on Timo's reconding sortware?
[7:37] Patroklus Murakami: i say 'if any' because both tor and i could be wrong
[7:37] Callipygian Christensen nods - It appears that Tor used the traditional interpretation
[7:37] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[7:38] Callipygian Christensen: and by traditional I mean' way its always been done' moreso than 'correct or incorrect'
[7:38] Soro Dagostino: Tor?
[7:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you Soro
[7:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane has traditionally used payment of tier as the date startign citizenship. I assume this is because a person must be a citizen in good standing.
[7:39] Tor Karlsvalt: That is Paying Tier
[7:39] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[7:39] Delia Lake: so one of the issues needing clarification is the discrepancy between qualified to vote and qualified to run for office
[7:39] Arria Perreault: I agree
[7:40] Lilith Ivory: I found this when getting confused about Tors post:
[7:40] Lilith Ivory: ARTICLE I – The Representative Branch
Section 2 – The Representative Assembly Body
Representative seats are chosen by popular election, from among those candidates who qualify under the rules set forth here. Any citizen who is eligible to vote, at the time of nomination, may become a candidate by declaring themselves by a message to the Dean of the Scientific Council, within the time set by the Scientific Council for such nominations.
[7:40] Callipygian Christensen: The term that is under discussion is, I believe, this: "Any citizen who is eligible to vote, at the time of nomination, may become a candidate "
[7:40] Patroklus Murakami raises hand
[7:40] Callipygian Christensen: The diescrepancy is 'does this mean tier paid 28 days before the day one submits one's declaration
[7:40] Arria Perreault a question
[7:41] Soro Dagostino: Arria?
[7:41] Callipygian Christensen: which will provide a date earlier than the one to qualify to vote
[7:42] Arria Perreault: "Any citizen who is eligible to vote" : is it possible to be citizen and not eligible to vote?
[7:42] Lilith Ivory: if you are not in good standing or not a citizen for at least 28 days you are not eligible imo
[7:43] Callipygian Christensen: yes it is - citizens who become delinquent in tier payments are still citizens but loe voting rights until tier is up to date
[7:43] Arria Perreault: thank you
[7:44] Delia Lake: so then would someone have to be in good standing at time of declaration to run for office?
[7:45] Callipygian Christensen: I would say yes, they must
[7:45] Lilith Ivory: I think so
[7:45] Callipygian Christensen: I believe this body actually dealt with such a situation a few terms back, when a citizen declared but was in arrears
[7:46] Callipygian Christensen: I'll try to find the transcript of that later , for reference if needed
[7:47] Delia Lake: this is a real issue. it has happened in the past that someone declared at the run deadline but was not in good standing
[7:47] Soro Dagostino: I remember that
[7:47] Lilith Ivory wonders why those guys didin´t just pay when deciding to run
[7:48] Callipygian Christensen: I support the idea of having these dates clearly identified and posted to clarify the process and avooid future confusion
[7:48] Delia Lake: maybe summer of '10 or winer of '11
[7:48] Lilith Ivory: I agree with that Calli
[7:48] Callipygian Christensen: Lilith - because the date to qualify to run was always earier than the date to qualify to vote - paying up at the later deadline wasn't enough iirc
[7:48] Delia Lake: agree also
[7:49] Lilith Ivory: oh I see
[7:49] Shep Titian: Raises hand
[7:49] Soro Dagostino: Shep?
[7:49] Patroklus Murakami: ahem
[7:50] Callipygian Christensen: Pat raised his hand some time ago
[7:50] Shep Titian: Does thatmean a delinquent citizen has to restart the whole process
[7:50] Shep Titian: sorry
[7:50] Soro Dagostino: Sorry
[7:50] Soro Dagostino: Pat
[7:51] Patroklus Murakami: just a point to note. it seems the dean chooses when to declare a deadline for nominations
[7:51] Patroklus Murakami: i can't find a date when they have to do this by
[7:51] Patroklus Murakami: so that gives teh dean a lot of discretion about who will/wont' qualify to stand
[7:51] Patroklus Murakami: an earlier deadline will exclude some citizens who would be eligible to stand later
[7:52] Patroklus Murakami: which could be a recipe for trouble
[7:52] Patroklus Murakami: that's all
[7:53] Delia Lake: how so Pat? would seem to me that someone needs to be current on tier to declare
[7:53] Soro Dagostino: Shep?
[7:53] Shep Titian: U asked
[7:53] Shep Titian: I
[7:53] Patroklus Murakami: an ealier deadline will cut out a number of new citizens (as at the last election)
[7:54] Callipygian Christensen nods - setting a sepcifidc date would ensure that there is transparency of when qualification occurs and avoid prejudice, either intended or by error or oversight
[7:54] Shep Titian: if a citizen can't vote because of arrears
[7:54] Arria Perreault: /raises hand
[7:54] Delia Lake: the person either is or is not. no discression required there
[7:54] Shep Titian: do they begin as if new again
[7:55] Callipygian Christensen: I think his point is more that if the deadline to declare is say 2 weeks before polls open, then it bumps qualification to stand back 2 weeks
[7:55] Patroklus Murakami: yes callli
[7:55] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand.
[7:55] Soro Dagostino: Arria
[7:56] Arria Perreault: The SC has to make a census to determine the number of seats in the RA:
NL 5-17 Census Scheduling Act
The number of seats in the RA shall be based upon the number of citizens as of the deadline for voting in the election that will elect that RA (per Article V).
passed 16 December 2006; modified 25 April 2010
This list has to be made in collaboration with the Treasurer to determine who is not late with payment. It is also based on Const. Art 5, sect 3
No citizen shall be eligible to vote in any election for public office in the Confederation of Democratic Simulators unless he or she has been a citizen for not less than 28 consecutive days immediately before any such election.
Why not publish this list and conceder that all people on the list are both entitle to vote and to run. Of course this solution can have some disagreement like data protection.
[7:56] Arria Perreault: consider*
[7:57] Callipygian Christensen needs a clarification of Sheps' question when Arria is done
[7:57] Arria Perreault: done
[7:57] Delia Lake: @ Shep's Q, in the past paying up has not meant starting over but essentially continuing as though no arrears happened. that should be clarified and written out as well
[7:58] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, that has traditionally also meant generating a list of those in good standing on the date to qualify to run for office also
[7:59] Callipygian Christensen: not having the dates published made that task a lot harder for Sudane, since creating lists of past dates was hard to do accurately
[8:00] Callipygian Christensen: It seems to me that the question hee is : Is it appropriate to continue to require a 28 day citizenship prior to the date of *declaration*
[8:00] Callipygian Christensen: and if so, should we establish set dates for close of declarations, so tht the date a census for that is also clear
[8:02] Delia Lake: Q, if the date for running is the date for voting, we could have people running who had been citizens for 2 wks, and standing candidates who themselves would not be eligible to vote for another 2 wks
[8:02] Callipygian Christensen: alternately, do we combine the dates of qualification, as pat's dates have done, and recognize and allow that there may be candidates who were citizens for less than 28 days when they declared
[8:02] Callipygian Christensen nods at Delia's comment
[8:03] Callipygian Christensen: Would that situation be acceptable or desirable.
[8:05] Soro Dagostino: Is there a resolution?
[8:07] Callipygian Christensen: may I post some dates Soro?
[8:07] Soro Dagostino: Anyone?
[8:08] Soro Dagostino: yes
[8:08] Callipygian Christensen: using the existing practise, but specifying dates..and allowing the shortest timespan for citizenship before decalring:
[8:08] Delia Lake: I'm inclined to want office seekers to have been citizens for 28 days, and hopefully attended a RA meeting before declaring
[8:08] Callipygian Christensen: 17th Representative Assembly - 1 June to 30 November 2012
Dean reminds citizens of key dates (suggested) 1 April 2012
Citizenship deadline to run : April 6 (census generated for this date)
Qualification date for citizenship 15 April 2012 (census generated for this date)
Deadline for declaration to run May 4
Campaign officially starts 5 May 2012
Polls Open 12 to 19 May 2012
Inaugural Meeting (to select LRA) 26 May 2012
[8:09] Callipygian Christensen: with declarations accepted up to the day before campaigning, that allows the shorest qualifying period to run for office
[8:10] Callipygian Christensen: and if alll of these dates are published, as Tor is doing, then confusion seems to be avoidable
[8:10] Callipygian Christensen: (the wording can be cleaned up to be clearer btw)
[8:10] Patroklus Murakami raises hand
[8:11] Arria Perreault raises hand
[8:12] Callipygian Christensen: AND we all check the dates for the correct counts of 28
[8:12] Soro Dagostino: Arria
[8:12] Soro Dagostino: Then Pat.
[8:13] Arria Perreault: The date of the 4 May for declaration to run is the last possible date as the campaign starts on 5 May. It would good to have a earlier date to have the time to control and to publish the list pf candidates
[8:13] Arria Perreault: we have only 24 hours
[8:14] Arria Perreault: done
[8:14] Patroklus Murakami: i have a question about the qualificaiton date for voting
[8:15] Patroklus Murakami: it should be 28 days before the polls open on 12 May
[8:15] Soro Dagostino: Par
[8:15] Callipygian Christensen nods - a change to that just requires a change to the qualifying date - but the aim should be to have it stated and a reasonable timeframe
[8:15] Soro Dagostino: Pat*
[8:15] Patroklus Murakami: tor made that 13 April, i made it 14 April and you have 15 April
[8:15] Patroklus Murakami: we had better be sure which one we settle on!
[8:15] Patroklus Murakami: done
[8:16] Callipygian Christensen: oops..14th
[8:16] Callipygian Christensen: i count backwards less well than forwards 
[8:17] Callipygian Christensen: and i think we should keep in mind that we were not asked to change the practises of our elections, but to clairfy and set a mechanism to post dates
[8:18] Callipygian Christensen: I believe that requires us to stay with the different dates to qualify to run and to vote, until such time as those are or are not officlaly changed
[8:18] Arria Perreault: yes, 14th
[8:18] Tor Karlsvalt: me raises hand
[8:18] Soro Dagostino: Is that the consensus?
[8:19] Soro Dagostino: Tor?
[8:19] Tor Karlsvalt: um
[8:19] Tor Karlsvalt: please remember to consider that the cons requires a FULL 28 days BEFORE the election
[8:20] Tor Karlsvalt: a person has only until the last moment of the 13th to qualify
[8:20] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[8:20] Soro Dagostino: Comments by the SC?
[8:20] Lilith Ivory: I agree but would like to see this posted at the forum ( I was not aware of that for a long time myself)
[8:21] Arria Perreault: the poll opens at noon
[8:22] Arria Perreault: 14th april at noon?
[8:22] Tor Karlsvalt: true, but we will have no way to know at what time of day a person attains good standing.
[8:23] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I suppose we would, but I am sure sudane would not want to be entangled in arguments as to when someone paid tier.
[8:23] Lilith Ivory: well, Rudeen has looking at her transaction history
[8:23] Shep Titian: Raises hand
[8:23] Soro Dagostino: Shep?
[8:23] Arria Perreault: should we have all our dates at noon?
[8:23] Shep Titian: This is too far
[8:23] Callipygian Christensen: I think worrying about the minutes someone paid is splitting hairs
[8:24] Shep Titian: To the minute is ridiculous
[8:24] Lilith Ivory nods
[8:24] Callipygian Christensen: if paid by midnight on the required date should be enough
[8:24] Callipygian Christensen: and specifying midniight SLT/PST
[8:24] Tor Karlsvalt: no problem as long as we have the established policy
[8:24] Arria Perreault: in this case, we can agree with the date proposed by Tor
[8:24] Shep Titian: just the date surely
[8:25] Arria Perreault: latest on 13th April
[8:25] Callipygian Christensen: So date to qualify to vote in this case would be the 13th, if a full 28 days is required - the count beginning the first day after payment deadline
[8:25] Arria Perreault: yes
[8:27] Callipygian Christensen: amended dates incoming
[8:27] Callipygian Christensen: 17th Representative Assembly - 1 June to 30 November 2012
Dean of SC notifies citizens of key dates in Forums and inworld Notices March 31 2012
Citizenship deadline to run for office : 11.59 PM SLT, April 3 (census generated for this date)
Qualification date for citizenship to vote: 11.59 PM SLT April 13 2012 (census generated for this date)
Deadline for declaration to run: May 2
Dean posts list of qualified candidates: May 4
Campaign officially starts: 5 May 2012
Polls Open: 12 to 19 May 2012
Inaugural Meeting (to select LRA) 26 May 2012
[8:28] Callipygian Christensen: ( I changed from April 1 so that there is no question of anyone feeling it is an April Nool's prank
[8:28] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[8:28] Delia Lake: lol
[8:30] Soro Dagostino:
[8:30] Callipygian Christensen: (there may be an addition to this posting, if it is agreed to, dpending on the next item on the agenda)
[8:31] Soro Dagostino: Is this the consensus of the SC
[8:32] Callipygian Christensen agrees
[8:32] Lilith Ivory: I agree also
[8:32] Arria Perreault: I agree
[8:32] Delia Lake: agree
[8:32] Arria Perreault have a question
[8:32] Soro Dagostino: Arria?
[8:34] Arria Perreault: the motion of Patroklus proposed date for several terms (until the 20th term). Should we determine the dates for these terms too (in a later meeting)?
[8:34] Delia Lake: ty Pat for putting this forward. important to clarify and post well in advance.
[8:34] Callipygian Christensen: I believe we should, and post accordingly
[8:34] Patroklus Murakami: yvw
[8:35] Callipygian Christensen: yes, thank you for the request pat!
[8:35] Patroklus Murakami: thx to tor too for posting on this
[8:35] Soro Dagostino: Arria I take that as a motion to sever the later dates and to table.
[8:35] Tor Karlsvalt: yw
[8:35] Arria Perreault: thank you
[8:35] Soro Dagostino: Second?
[8:35] Callipygian Christensen: second
[8:35] Tor Karlsvalt: I will look over the transcripts and make any necessary changes to the posters
[8:36] Soro Dagostino: Non-dbateable
[8:36] Soro Dagostino: All in favor?
[8:36] Lilith Ivory: aye
[8:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I am so pleased that we have all this ironed out well in advance
[8:36] Callipygian Christensen: aye
[8:36] Arria Perreault: aye
[8:36] Delia Lake: aye
[8:36] Soro Dagostino: aye
[8:36] Callipygian Christensen: Trust me Tor, so are we I am sure
[8:36] Soro Dagostino: unanimous.
[8:36] Patroklus Murakami applauds
[8:37] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[8:37] Arria Perreault: thank you, Tor ㋡
[8:37] Soro Dagostino: Moving on to Item 3.
[8:37] Soro Dagostino: Calli?
[8:37] Callipygian Christensen: A consitutuional amendment did not pass yesterday at RA, but it did point out an area that CDS, and we the SC, can improve how we communicate.
[8:38] Callipygian Christensen: Pat was concerned about the situation when less candidates declare, than there are seats to fill
[8:39] Callipygian Christensen: While no change was made to declaration deadlines, discussion led to my suggesting that announcing more clearly how many candidates there are might help encourage people to stand.
[8:39] Callipygian Christensen: I suggested that, since many do not read the Forums, and are not privy to SC notecards, that psoting inworld notices of candidate declarations is something the SC could do
[8:40] Callipygian Christensen: Posting a ntice as each declares, with a tall of candidates and number of seats available, would increase awaremess
[8:40] Callipygian Christensen: done
[8:40] Soro Dagostino: Any questions?
[8:40] Callipygian Christensen: tally, not tall
[8:41] Delia Lake: sounds like a good idea
[8:41] Lilith Ivory nods
[8:41] Arria Perreault: each time the Dean receives a declaration of candidacy, it is sent in a group notice?
[8:41] Soro Dagostino: that is my understanding.
[8:42] Soro Dagostino: Not hard, just have to do it.
[8:42] Arria Perreault: we just have to be sure that the candidate is eligible to run
[8:42] Delia Lake doesn't want to have another election with frewe candidates than seats eiher
[8:43] Callipygian Christensen: yes to Arria's question
[8:43] Delia Lake: yes, Arria
[8:43] Callipygian Christensen: its a regular reminder to people that elections are in progress and seats need to be filled
[8:43] Lilith Ivory: indeed
[8:44] Soro Dagostino: so where should the rule be posted?
[8:44] Arria Perreault: an other question: can this posting stop the declaration when the amount of seats is reached?
[8:44] Callipygian Christensen: One citizen told me recently, in genearl conversation, that they hadnt realized elections were happening last time until they walkend into capaign posters
[8:44] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, notsure I understand the question - could you clarify?
[8:44] Soro Dagostino: As setting a policy of the SC.
[8:45] Arria Perreault: I don't like to have an election when the number of seats and the number of candidates are equal
[8:45] Soro Dagostino: ooops -- yeild to Arria.
[8:45] Callipygian Christensen: OH, you mean ' will people decide not to run if they see declarations equal to seats available'?
[8:46] Arria Perreault: yes
[8:46] Arria Perreault: keeping the number of candidates "secret" has some advantages ...
[8:46] Callipygian Christensen: I guess that is a possibility, but if they do so, I would feel they werent overly committed to standing..and having that happen is better than having a number of candidates short.
[8:46] Delia Lake: I would hope not, esp if it is made clear to folks that when n of candidates is < or = to seats available, eleion is by acclaimation not votes
[8:47] Lilith Ivory: I guess nobody wants to have that situation of equal candidates and seats
[8:47] Callipygian Christensen: Number of candidates should never be a secret imo, and since posting in the Forums is the norm, it isn't actually a secret?
[8:47] Arria Perreault: well, as we don't have anymore the system of factions, people stand for their personal opinions.
[8:48] Delia Lake: to vote requires n seats + 1 candidates
[8:48] Arria Perreault: yes, but who want to run to be defeated?
[8:48] Callipygian Christensen: The risk of being defeated is always a part of an election
[8:48] Arria Perreault: with factions, it's different, more strategic
[8:48] Patroklus Murakami: sometimes being defeated is a mercy
[8:49] Tor Karlsvalt: lol
[8:49] Arria Perreault: not when canddiates=seats
[8:49] Arria Perreault: everybody is happy
[8:49] Delia Lake: lol Pat
[8:49] Tor Karlsvalt still laughing at Pat's comment
[8:50] Callipygian Christensen: True Arria, but if peoople are not informed and educated about becoming involved in government we may go on having furor over 'elections not held' etc
[8:50] Delia Lake: then we donMt have voting though, Arria
[8:51] Callipygian Christensen: Sometimes it is pragmatic to risk one set of consequences as preferable to many otherknownconsequences
[8:51] Arria Perreault: Calli and Delia, I am not against this posting as these candidacies are not secret. I just observe the trends in CDS ...
[8:51] Delia Lake: yes
[8:52] Arria Perreault: I think that we need other initiative to educate people to the political life (as well as in rl)
[8:52] Callipygian Christensen: Arriai agree about a trend..i think that is why Pat brought the amendment forward..
[8:52] Callipygian Christensen: this is an attaempt to change the trend by awaremess
[8:53] Delia Lake: agree Arria
[8:53] Soro Dagostino: From my point of view, the presentation of candidates can be a way for the "political parties" to bring people into the fold.
[8:53] Callipygian Christensen: I also agree, but do not think that is the SCs mandate
[8:53] Arria Perreault: I suggest that we add a sentence in these posting encouraging other people to stand
[8:54] Tor Karlsvalt agrees with Soro on a still good function of factions
[8:54] Arria Perreault: (we also need an election guide)
[8:54] Soro Dagostino: Someone want to prepare the form of announcement.
[8:54] Soro Dagostino: We can review at the next meeting?
[8:54] Soro Dagostino: Arria?
[8:55] Callipygian Christensen: Soro, I have this notecard started already..i can make it into a template of dates and announcements and cirulate
[8:55] Soro Dagostino: kk
[8:55] Soro Dagostino: Thank you.
[8:55] Arria Perreault: thank you Calli ㋡
[8:55] Callipygian Christensen: I will include an encouragement Arria
[8:55] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[8:55] Delia Lake: my battery is almost gone. will crash soon
[8:55] Soro Dagostino: Are there any new items for the agenda?
[8:56] Arria Perreault: not from me
[8:56] Callipygian Christensen: Only date of next meeting I think
[8:56] Lilith Ivory: right
[8:56] Soro Dagostino: None appearing, shall we set the date for the next meeting.
[8:57] Arria Perreault: yes
[8:57] Callipygian Christensen: Feb 26 is 3 weeks form now
[8:57] Soro Dagostino: March 4, 2012?
[8:58] Soro Dagostino: I am away that day -- 2/26
[8:58] Callipygian Christensen: March 4 will work for me, dpending on time
[8:58] Soro Dagostino: May I ask the group for an 8:00am time?
[8:58] Arria Perreault: March 4 is fine for me
[8:58] Soro Dagostino: SLT
[8:59] Lilith Ivory: march 4 works for me also
[8:59] Arria Perreault: 8:00 SLT is fine too
[8:59] Lilith Ivory: fine to me also
[8:59] Soro Dagostino: Delia?
[8:59] Callipygian Christensen: * am will probably be ok
[8:59] Callipygian Christensen: 8
[9:00] Soro Dagostino: She is away.
[9:00] Soro Dagostino: Let's assume its ok with her.
[9:01] Callipygian Christensen: its seldom possible to have all members at all meetings, i am sure she is ok with it if she cant attend
[9:01] Soro Dagostino: that will be the time for the next meeting March 4, @ 8:00 am SLT
[9:01] Soro Dagostino: Do we have a motion to adjourn?
[9:01] Arria Perreault: Motion to adjourn
[9:01] Callipygian Christensen: second
[9:02] Soro Dagostino: All in favor?
[9:02] Arria Perreault: aye
[9:02] Soro Dagostino: Aye
[9:02] Callipygian Christensen: aye
[9:02] Lilith Ivory: aye
[9:02] Arria Perreault: thank you ㋡
[9:02] Arria Perreault: for the meeting
[9:02] Soro Dagostino: Now someone wake up Delia and tell her!
