Agenda for Meeting 4-15-2012 @ 0830,
by Soro Dagostino » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:47 pm
Agenda for SC Meeting of February 5, 2012
The Scientific Council will meet in the Judicial Chambers, Praetorium, Colonia Nova April 15, 2012 at 7:00 a.m.. The Agenda follows.
1. A discussion of the page about the SC in the CDS portal: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php/cds- ... c-council/ This page is not updated (look the list of members). The SC is to discuss the content to have on this page.
2. A discussion of the tabled matter of Beathan's petition regarding jia's citizenship. Waiting for further information - the full wording of the reason should be in the transcript of that meeting that states:
"[2011/12/30 15:56] Callipygian Christensen: ok..on to the other petition which can be found here:
[2011/12/30 15:56] You: Next item?
[2011/12/30 15:57] Callipygian Christensen: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3631
[2011/12/30 15:57] Callipygian Christensen: Frankly, after posting my research I realized I was feeling quite uncomfortable about the post and realized why.
[2011/12/30 15:58] Callipygian Christensen: The petition led to a posting of the private information of n avatar , jia 53, and yet we neverheard from her directly in any way
[2011/12/30 15:59] Callipygian Christensen: I contacted jia53 by notecard, and as a result also had an inworld conversation with her
[2011/12/30 15:59] Callipygian Christensen: She indicated that she does not know Beathan, but that posssibly her partner SDolphin had asked him to file the petition
[2011/12/30 16:00] Callipygian Christensen: She also indicated that hse is unaware of the petition or its content or her status as a citizen (ornot)
[2011/12/30 16:00] Callipygian Christensen: In my notecard I listed a number of options that I saw as possibilities
[2011/12/30 16:02] Callipygian Christensen: They included dropping the matter and removing her name from all public records if she did not request or want the petition;
[2011/12/30 16:02] Callipygian Christensen: filing a petition herself so that we can proceed knowing that it is her wish to do so;
[2011/12/30 16:03] Shep (shep.titian): Raises hand
[2011/12/30 16:03] Callipygian Christensen: or if jia53 wanted the current petition to move forward, to provide any supporting information re: tier pament etc, by Dec 29th
[2011/12/30 16:03] You: Questions in order after the presentation.
[2011/12/30 16:04] Callipygian Christensen: Since the original petitioner had posted on the Forums that jia53 should appear before the SC, asking her what her wishes are seemed appropriate)
[2011/12/30 16:04] Chat Range: Bells Semyorka [15m]
[2011/12/30 16:05] Lilith Ivory: Hi Bells
[2011/12/30 16:05] Callipygian Christensen: I have not received any reply indicating what is desired, or any supporitng materials for the petition to move forward
[2011/12/30 16:05] Lilith Ivory: this meeting will be transcripted
[2011/12/30 16:05] Bells Semyorka: Hello
[2011/12/30 16:06] Callipygian Christensen: Therefore, at this time, I suggest I will followup with jia53 and her partner SDolphin to establish thier preferences in how to proceed.
[2011/12/30 16:06] You: Lilith, do you agree?
[2011/12/30 16:06] Callipygian Christensen: Until we have such an indication, I propose the petitiion be tabled.
[2011/12/30 16:06] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[2011/12/30 16:07] You: Taking that as a motion to table,
[2011/12/30 16:07] You: Second?
[2011/12/30 16:07] Lilith Ivory: I second
[2011/12/30 16:07] You: Non-debatetable,
[2011/12/30 16:07] You: all in favor?
[2011/12/30 16:07] Callipygian Christensen: I think Shep had a question?
[2011/12/30 16:07] Callipygian Christensen: aye
[2011/12/30 16:07] Shep (shep.titian): It was SD who told Cleo that she could sort it out .. I heard him we were in voice...
[2011/12/30 16:07] Lilith Ivory: aye
[2011/12/30 16:08] You: aye.
[2011/12/30 16:08] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[2011/12/30 16:08] Callipygian Christensen listens..go on Shep?
[2011/12/30 16:08] You: The matter will be tabled for further investigation
[2011/12/30 16:09] You: To commence now . . .
[2011/12/30 16:09] Shep (shep.titian): Only that really .. I'm assuming then that Cleo employed Beathan to put the motion
[2011/12/30 16:09] Callipygian Christensen laughs..sorry Soro - you indicated questiosn would be heard when I was done
[2011/12/30 16:09] You: Shep?
[2011/12/30 16:09] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[2011/12/30 16:09] You: But a Motion to Table ends debate.
[2011/12/30 16:09] Shep (shep.titian): It was just added information
[2011/12/30 16:09] You: Shep?
[2011/12/30 16:10] Trebor Warcliffe: when Shep is done, sorry
[2011/12/30 16:10] You: Then Trebor
[2011/12/30 16:10] Shep (shep.titian): Done
[2011/12/30 16:10] You: Trebor.
[2011/12/30 16:10] Trebor Warcliffe: TU Soro
[2011/12/30 16:10] Callipygian Christensen: Shep, that may be the case - but since either Cleo nor Bethan has access to jia53's transaction records or intereactiosns with Sudane/Rudene, there is no way to proceed without jia53 (orSDolphin) indicating that they wish to do so
[2011/12/30 16:11] Trebor Warcliffe: Why table it? I'd just dismiss it myself in my opinion. The concerned parties show know direct interest in the matter adn plenty of time has been given for everyone to respond.
[2011/12/30 16:11] Callipygian Christensen: I am not sure if SDolphin realised that 'sort it out' meant a hearing at the SC..there is no way to know that
[2011/12/30 16:11] Trebor Warcliffe: no not know
[2011/12/30 16:11] Trebor Warcliffe: sorry
[2011/12/30 16:11] You: That is not in order.
[2011/12/30 16:11] Shep (shep.titian): I understand Calli .. I always find things easier to sort out when I have as much information as possible before me
[2011/12/30 16:12] Trebor Warcliffe: true
[2011/12/30 16:12] Callipygian Christensen: I'd like to answer Trebor actually Soro?
[2011/12/30 16:12] You: Yes.
[2011/12/30 16:13] Callipygian Christensen: Trebor, the reason I suggested tabling this petition and following up is that I am not sure jia53 or SDolphin understand the process..see my comments to Shep..
[2011/12/30 16:13] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok that makes sense, tu.
[2011/12/30 16:13] Callipygian Christensen: the duty of the SC is to give a hearing , and I personally want to be sure that whether that hearing is eld or not is with the full understanding of jia53 and herpartner
[2011/12/30 16:14] Callipygian Christensen: Soro, may I add an observation here?
[2011/12/30 16:14] Lilith Ivory nods
[2011/12/30 16:14] You: Nods.
[2011/12/30 16:15] You: Proceed.
[2011/12/30 16:15] Callipygian Christensen: Delia and I spent a lot of hours researching these two issues, only to find that in one the named party had no interest from the start, and in the second ( going by Shep's comment) the named party might have asked a third party to act, who then asked a foruth party to act
[2011/12/30 16:16] Callipygian Christensen: While sitting on the SC is a committment to spending the time to do research etc, I don't appreciate doing so only to find it was unnecessary and undesired.
[2011/12/30 16:17] Trebor Warcliffe: Couldnt agree more
[2011/12/30 16:17] Callipygian Christensen: So as part of the proposal of revamping how the SC deal with petitions, both Delia and i will be suggesting that a petition naming an avatar COME from that avatar..and in the petition they can name an advolcate if they so desire
[2011/12/30 16:17] Lilith Ivory: good Idea
[2011/12/30 16:18] Lilith Ivory: I agree with that
[2011/12/30 16:18] You: Further comment on this tabled item . . .
[2011/12/30 16:18] Callipygian Christensen: In the event of a petition like the jia53 one..where the purpose is not so much to declare her citizenship, as it is to use that citizenship to change the number of seats on RA, then the petition should be filed with with no [id]entifying information of the avatar, without their permission for such to be made public."
3. Election of the Dean of the SC.
4. SC posting of declarations for RA candidacy, submitted by Callipygian Christensen
5. Other matters added to the agenda by motion and approval.
Submitted by:
Soro Dagostino,
Dean of the Scientific Council.