Shep Titian: Pip Pat was here and has offered to continue doing the meetings postings .. is that ok with you?
Pip Torok: yes i'd be very glad to pass that duty over!
Moonrise Azalee: Sure Trebor
Shep Titian: lol cool .
Shep Titian: Sorry a bit laggy
Shep Titian: all got agendas?
Pip Torok: not yet .. will get it now
Moonrise Azalee: no
Shep Titian: Ok .. in the box Razzy 
Moonrise Azalee: okay, silly question.. how do I get the agenda... ok
Pip Torok has indicated consent to be recorded.
Moonrise Azalee: haha
Beathan Vale has indicated consent to be recorded.
Shep Titian: If we could approve it
Pip Torok: not so silly .. i donr know either!
Lilith Ivory: Hi everybody
Pip Torok: ill copynpaste it from the Forums?
Shep Titian: Click the box on the table
Shep Titian: CDS box
Moonrise Azalee: The one that says 'citizen List'
Shep Titian: Yes ignore that lol
Shep Titian: Hi Lilith
Callipygian Christensen: Morning everyone
Shep Titian: Hi Calli
Moonrise Azalee: Hi!
Callipygian Christensen: Could I suggest a notice go out on CDS chat that the meeting is starting, and including a SLurl please? (unless it already went out and SL ate it)
Pip Torok: mme LRA .. Pat isnt here yet to take notes
Callipygian Christensen: CDS notice I mean..duh
Shep Titian: Thanks for the reminder Calli will do and Pip he set up a recorder
Pip Torok: ah .. clever fella!
Moonrise Azalee grins
Callipygian Christensen: Is Pat staying as secretary/archivist without a seat?
Beathan Vale: Pat is volunteering to assist the RA with those functions
Callipygian Christensen: excellent
Callipygian Christensen has indicated consent to be recorded.
Shep Titian: Yes he is.. and I was pleased to accept
Pip Torok: any sign of Anna today?
Shep Titian: Gives us ingamers time to help ingame
Shep Titian: No no sign of Anna sadly
Moonrise Azalee: She was moving last week, perhaps still tied up
Shep Titian: Yes no net I suspect
Pip Torok remembers the Trauma ...
Shep Titian: Ok ready to get off the mark??
Moonrise Azalee: yes
Pip Torok: ready ...
Shep Titian: Approve agenda?
Pip Torok: yes
Beathan Vale: I move to approve
Pip Torok: second
Shep Titian: I approve .. but then I would
Moonrise Azalee: approve-sorry.. chaos
Beathan Vale: approve
Pip Torok: approve
Shep Titian: Nps TRazzy ..
Shep Titian: oop
Moonrise Azalee: hehe
Shep Titian: No set items nut I see possible speakers are present
Shep Titian: Ok do we have any citizens concerns?
Shep Titian: This is like that bit in a wedding 
Shep Titian: ok
Shep Titian: RA members .. any concerns?
Moonrise Azalee: not from myself
Shep Titian: Ok .. no clamour
Pip Torok: not from me Mme LRA
Moonrise Azalee laughs
Shep Titian: Old business ..
Shep Titian: We had two people on 7 day votes
Shep Titian: Anna has not taken up the opportunity
Shep Titian: And Pat voted Nay
Pip Torok: on which motion, Mme LRA?
Shep Titian: THis means I'm afraid that the proposal about SC reform fails ..
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Lilith Ivory has indicated consent to be recorded.
Callipygian Christensen: I won't waste time going into detail about my disappointment in the Nay vote regarding this amendment, but I ask tht the RA continue the joint committee and select a RA member to sit in the vacant RA slot with pat's departure form RA
Shep Titian: It seems a perfectly sensible request to me ..
Shep Titian: I propose we continue the joint committee on SC reform .. do I have a second
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Pip Torok: second
Shep Titian: Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: I am confused as to Calli's suggestion re: Pat... don't we only have 5 seats on the RA?
Callipygian Christensen: sorry Razzy, i wasnt clear
Shep Titian: Pat is no longer RA
Beathan Vale: Pat was the RA member on a committee last term -- but he is no longer on the RA so can't be this term
Callipygian Christensen: the committeee is currently 2 RA, 2 SC, one citizen
Moonrise Azalee: ahh. I see
Callipygian Christensen: Pat indicated a desire to stay on as a citizen, but there should be 2 RA members
Pip Torok: I think Shep means that pat declined to stand for this terms RA and declared the same
Moonrise Azalee smiles. thank you for clarifying
Beathan Vale: Well -- I should say "a" RA member. I was/am the other
Shep Titian: So we need to replace him .. but as the vote failed we need to votre for a committee again
Shep Titian: Thank you Pip for seconding
Beathan Vale: I'm not sure that we can't just represent the proposal for a vote this term -- further committee work may not be necessary
Shep Titian: call a vote .. I vote aye
Pip Torok: aye
Beathan Vale: Well -- i would rather do this with full notice. Can we note it for consideration next meeting?
Callipygian Christensen: Beathan, I do think there afre further areas of reform to look at that would best be a committee function, in addition to any revision of the failed amendment
Shep Titian: Beathan it still needs the committee so it can present
Beathan Vale: OK
Moonrise Azalee: -Aye
Shep Titian: Beathan .. aye or nay?
Beathan Vale: aye
Shep Titian: Thank you .. its carried
Shep Titian: Good luck to all this time .
Shep Titian: Will you Beathan and you Calli work out vthe wheres and whens
Beathan Vale: sure
Shep Titian: Cool thx
Shep Titian: Right new business
Pip Torok: hi Rosie!
Beathan Vale: email has been most effective -- things were stalled do to schedule problems -- but then email broke the logjam
Shep Titian: Hi Rosie
Beathan Vale: Hi Rosie
Rosie Gray: hi Pip, Beathan
Moonrise Azalee: Hi Rosie
Rosie Gray: ?
Rosie Gray: everyone
Callipygian Christensen nods
Shep Titian: Have we all had a chance to study the proposed budget?
Trebor Warcliffe: Hello Asterix and Jeroma, wonderful to see the both of you in attendance today.
Jeroma Wycliffe: Trebor
Moonrise Azalee: I have to say 'no' I haven't. my aplogies
Pip Torok: have only given it a cursory glande, mme LRA
Pip Torok: glance even
Shep Titian: Ok .. Trbor do you want to say anything about it? I think a vote next time possibly ..
Trebor Warcliffe: My apologies for not having it available sooner. I had to close out the books for May so I had accurate figures to go by.
Moonrise Azalee nods . Is it on the forum?
Beathan Vale: link on forum
Pip Torok: it is
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes on the forum and I can send you a pdf now that I have your email.
Moonrise Azalee: Thank you Trebor, yes please.
Shep Titian: Ok then I move the discussion move to the forum and it will be included in the next agenda
Pip Torok: second
Shep Titian: Is that acceptable to all?
Moonrise Azalee: yes
Trebor Warcliffe: yes to me
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: yes too
Beathan Vale: yes
Shep Titian: Cool so done
Shep Titian: Next .. Rosie has asked that there be a discussion on starting an official Welcome Committee
Beathan Vale: good idea
Moonrise Azalee grins
Shep Titian: Rosie would you like to talk on it?
Pip Torok agrees
Rosie Gray: oh sure
Shep Titian: We ecently lost a valued citizen because she was'nt well informed when she joined
Shep Titian: And she was the latest in a string of newer members
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Shep Titian: Razzy
Moonrise Azalee: May I ask, with being respectful of ones privacy, what information she was lacking?
Shep Titian: It was what she could do with her land
Moonrise Azalee: In general?
Moonrise Azalee: ahh
Shep Titian: She had listened to wrong advice instead of checking herself
Pip Torok raises hand
Shep Titian: Pip
Lilith Ivory mumbles something about detailed covenant in the land window
Rosie Gray: 
Trebor Warcliffe chuckles at Lil's comment
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Lol I know Lilith .. but she had no reason to suspect her informer was wrong
Pip Torok: i suggest we try for 2 presenters .. and they shd have a checklist of things to point out ... with some sort of accreditation to filter out the rogue-advosor
Moonrise Azalee grins
Lilith Ivory bites her lips and holds her hand down
Shep Titian: I personally think it needs more than 2
Shep Titian: Calli
Callipygian Christensen: Thank you - as I posted on the Forums, Trebor did try to start this last term and its still as good an idea now as it was then. After much delay I am now the 'make the welcome book' person and will have it done as soon as I can, but someone needs t step up to *organize* and leaad a welcome committee
Trebor Warcliffe: ty Callie
Moonrise Azalee nods
Pip Torok: but in practice we cd have any number provided the checklist is well-known among us all
Moonrise Azalee: /raises hand
Rosie Gray: are we discussing this now then? I thought we were waiting for the agenda item
Callipygian Christensen: Pip. having someone as a leader would provide that filtering and consistency of inofrmation and action etc
Shep Titian: Yes the news given should be stard .. but its more than that .. its making folk feel welcome
Shep Titian: standard
Pip Torok: yes .. do you think a newcomer wd prefer a group to just one member of theat group?
Pip Torok: for exaMPLE .. AN INFORMAL CHAT IN THE MARKTPLATZ CAFE WD FO WONDERS .. ITD BE _INFORMAL_
Rosie Gray raises hand
Pip Torok: (oops sorry caps)
Shep Titian: Rosie .. I asked did you want to talk about it
Rosie Gray: yes, sorry but I thought we weren't at the item yet
Rosie Gray: but since we are....
Pip Torok:
Shep Titian: :_)
Rosie Gray: I just wanted to say that in order for a welcoming committee to be able to function properly...
Rosie Gray: the committee members would need to have a notice sent to them every time a new person purchased some land...
Rosie Gray: so that they can welcome and advise in a timely manner
Rosie Gray: otherwise, it's just by chance that you even know there is someone new
Moonrise Azalee nods
Pip Torok strongly agrees
Shep Titian: Thats a good idea
Rosie Gray: and that it also is a lot easier to ensure that people comply with the covenants BEFORE they have gone and placed a building or whatever
Rosie Gray: than after the fact, when they may resent having to change something
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Rosie Gray: even though they should have read the covenants
Rosie Gray: done
Shep Titian: Yes .. plus I like Pip's idea of an informal meeting
Shep Titian: Calli
Callipygian Christensen: While it's certainly the role of the RA to identify and discuss citizens desires, the *work* of this is going to fall to the Chancellor..so perhaps indicating the support of RA for his doing so, and then let him proceed with getting it in action if volunteers step up?
Shep Titian: Is that acceptable to you Trebor ?
Trebor Warcliffe: reading
Trebor Warcliffe: I'm more than happy to letting the volunteers task themselves so to speak.
Callipygian Christensen: I think mostly it needs you to say 'Joe's in charge' Treb
Trebor Warcliffe: Oh ok I can handle that LOL
Rosie Gray: ?
Callipygian Christensen: (when Joe identifies him or herself)
Shep Titian: Right because RA can't direct the volunteers as its not in our remit
Pip Torok: but they cd use some guidance trebor, PLUS the checklist needs to be established by someone ...
Trebor Warcliffe: Actually Joe has
Trebor Warcliffe: right Joe?
Rosie Gray: ?
Rosie Gray: haha
Callipygian Christensen: Pip, the welcome book is intended to provide all the info - its an interactive checklist
Rosie Gray: yes I've volunteered to organize it
Trebor Warcliffe: Rosie will be handling this for the community
Pip Torok: OK ...
Shep Titian: Ok good
Moonrise Azalee: Great
Rosie Gray: but I want everyone to help!
Callipygian Christensen: yay RosieJoe!
Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you for your volunteering Rosie
Pip Torok: well .. if you send it on a round-robin basis Rosie, we cd all review it
Shep Titian: How can RA help Rosie?
Pip Torok: i suggest a motion of ge neral approval to start with!
Rosie Gray: I think the only critical thing would be having the notice of when land is purchased sent
Trebor Warcliffe: Workign on that right nwo for you Rosie
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Rosie Gray: and I guess I'll need to create a group for it, that the notice goes to... if that's possible
Trebor Warcliffe: Notice would only go to an individual
Shep Titian: Good .. then I think apart from the finer points we're done
Shep Titian: Yes Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: I just wanted to say, that I was fortunate.. I met Pip here in CDS and he was there to tell me about living here, and the same night I made my frist purchase, introduced me to Rosie, Tor, and Anna... it really made for a great way to get a feel for the place. Im very thankful.. otherwise I might not have bought here.
Shep Titian: Groups are easy to set up
Moonrise Azalee: It was the 'welcoming' but not 'nosey' feeling that made me really sure that this was a place to be.
Moonrise Azalee: done
Shep Titian: You were lucky Razzy
Moonrise Azalee nods and smiles
Pip Torok: then i suggest we make razzy "guinea-pig" to the newborn "book"...
Rosie Gray: hehehe
Moonrise Azalee literally laughs out loud
Shep Titian: That's what everyone should be lucky to recieve
Moonrise Azalee nods in agreement
Shep Titian: Ok folks good start Rosie
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Any one have anything they want to raise?
Shep Titian: Calli
Callipygian Christensen: MadameCahir, in the itnerests of time since the ball is at 11, and I need to leave to do some things for it, could we adress the 'bring us your ides'? I have 3 items
Pip Torok: yes .. i suggest at least once per term we have a new citizens party to celebrate their arrival...
Shep Titian: Nice Pip .. and yes Calli?
Pip Torok: (I offer the Arpar del pip and/or the tanzhaus...
Callipygian Christensen: thank you
Trebor Warcliffe: Pip if there is enough incoming new citizens Id loev to see it done every other month if possible
Shep Titian: thx
Pip Torok: great ...!
Shep Titian: Ok guys Calli
Callipygian Christensen: I do not believe you have elected a pro tem LRA and as the last RA made clear, tht is an important role
Callipygian Christensen: so I hope that is something that will occur next meeting
Shep Titian: That is true .. I thought of it but thought it fair to wait for Anna
Callipygian Christensen: second: I am not sure it is appropriate for me, since i sit as Dean of the SC , to propose legislation etc, and the SC usually suggests as an addendum to decisions
Callipygian Christensen: however, there are a couple of things we have suggested, 'urged' that have never been acted on
Shep Titian: You are still a citizen
Callipygian Christensen: so first: it would be beneficial for the RA to dientify what is reasonable notification to the citizenry
Callipygian Christensen: every time something like the land laws change etc comes up there is a long debate about how to make sure people know..
Callipygian Christensen: last time it resulted in 2 SC actins to extend etc..
Callipygian Christensen: so please, identify 'reasonable or acceptable notice' in form and length of time
Shep Titian: Good idea
Pip Torok raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: Third: the documents on the Portal..the Code of Laws, the wording of the Consitutuion, sitll has a lot of old odds and ends that contradict, confuse, and so on..
Shep Titian: In a min PIP
Pip Torok: i suggest this be placed on the Forums and ratified at the next meeting
Pip Torok: sorry ..
Callipygian Christensen: as an example, the yoyo around liiting terms..so I urge that someone be appointed or *hired* to go through all the documents, flag any areas that need to be cleaned up and draft the corrections, and get it done
Trebor Warcliffe applauds Calli's suggestion
Callipygian Christensen: It would make it much easier for the SC to do its job, and for RA to do theirs..and for citizens to look at the govt of CDS
Moonrise Azalee nods in agreement
Shep Titian: All noted
Shep Titian: Pip?
Pip Torok: well this is an issue which needs airing and discussion over the definition .. shall we agree it now or put it to the Forums?
Pip Torok: done
Shep Titian: Forums
Pip Torok: i agree with Shep fwiw
Moonrise Azalee: agree
Beathan Vale: sounds like a plan
Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
Shep Titian: Ok we'll look at it .. thanks for your suggestions
Shep Titian: Trebor
Trebor Warcliffe: I have to run for now in RL so I can make it back in time for the start of the Ball.
Trebor Warcliffe: If there is anythign I need to address I can do it in the forums if necessary
Trebor Warcliffe: Good to go for now?
Pip Torok: yes please Trebor
Trebor Warcliffe: ty
Moonrise Azalee: Bye Trebor!
Trebor Warcliffe: see everyone in less than an hour
Shep Titian: Bye Trebor
Rosie Gray: bye Treb
Moonrise Azalee hopes she can make it
Shep Titian: Any other new business requests?
Shep Titian: Ok
Shep Titian: There are no commission reports
Shep Titian: No Exec report
Shep Titian: No general announcements
Shep Titian: Next meeting?
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Two weeks ok?
Shep Titian: Calli
Pip Torok: ok for me
Moonrise Azalee: Sounds good to me
Beathan Vale: yep
Callipygian Christensen: under general announcements 'The Inaugurl ball is at 11, and willinclude the swearing in of the Chancelllor
Shep Titian: !6th at 9 am then
Callipygian Christensen: and tomorrow morning at 8 AM there is an SC meeting
Shep Titian: Thank you Calli
Shep Titian: I prose we adjourn
Shep Titian: propose
Pip Torok: seconded
Moonrise Azalee: i second
Shep Titian: Aye
Beathan Vale: aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: Thanks troops
