[8:03] Callipygian Christensen: So lets begin
[8:03] Arria Perreault: Thank you
[8:04] Callipygian Christensen: all SC meetings are recorded and published, please indicate your permission for that
[8:04] Lilith Ivory: Old Bussiness 2. sounds somehow scary lol
[8:04] Shep Titian: Fine 
[8:04] Arria Perreault: Hi Delia ㋡
[8:04] Callipygian Christensen: I think we can assume all members of the SC give permission
[8:04] Callipygian Christensen: welcome Delia
[8:05] Callipygian Christensen: Can I have approval of the agenda please?
[8:05] Delia Lake: good morning. sorry for being late. today would have been my Mom's birthday and my sister phoned in rl
[8:05] Arria Perreault: I accept the agenda
[8:05] Callipygian Christensen: ah..no problem Delia..we are just starting
[8:05] Callipygian Christensen: Lilith, Delia, acceptance of the agenda?
[8:05] Lilith Ivory: hi Delia
[8:05] Shep Titian: Hi Pip
[8:05] Lilith Ivory: yes
[8:06] Delia Lake: I approve the agenda also
[8:06] Callipygian Christensen: welcome Pip
[8:06] Arria Perreault: Hi Pip ㋡
[8:06] Lilith Ivory: hi Pip
[8:06] Pip Torok: hi ....
[8:06] Callipygian Christensen: I see the agenda as accepted so we'll proceed
[8:06] Callipygian Christensen: under old business - dates for the next 3 terms of RA
[8:07] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, the floor is yours
[8:07] Arria Perreault: thank you
[8:07] Arria Perreault: I have send to all members of the SC a spreadsheet with all dates until the 20th
[8:07] Lilith Ivory: hi Soro
[8:07] Arria Perreault: Hi SOro
[8:07] Callipygian Christensen: welcome Soro - we are on item 1 of the agenda
[8:08] Arria Perreault: I suggest that all members review these dates and send me their feedbacks
[8:08] Arria Perreault: then we can have a final approval in a meeting and we can release them
[8:09] Lilith Ivory: I sent you a request to give me permission to read it with my main email account
[8:09] Lilith Ivory: hope you got it
[8:09] Arria Perreault: I can publishe the link to the forums too
[8:09] Arria Perreault: yes, Lilith, I will make the change
[8:09] Lilith Ivory: thank you Arria
[8:10] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, as long as these dates were generated using the same criteria as those for the 17th, they will be correct - I think it is probably enough for one person to check them for accuracy
[8:10] Arria Perreault: I have also proposed that we published these dates in several channels, including the CDS Ecent Calenders
[8:10] Arria Perreault: ok
[8:10] Arria Perreault: do you want to review them?
[8:10] Callipygian Christensen: we can also remove reference to announcing number of seas, since that is now established at 5
[8:10] Arria Perreault: right
[8:11] Delia Lake: I think I'd leave that in actually
[8:11] Callipygian Christensen: well I would prefer not to say I'll review them as I am working on multiple things..would someone volunteer to do so?
[8:11] Arria Perreault: I will make the correction
[8:11] Delia Lake: 2 reasons. 1 is that people will not remember
[8:11] Callipygian Christensen: Delia - just as a statement ?
[8:11] Lilith Ivory: I can give it a try
[8:11] Delia Lake: and 2 it is possible that some future RA may change that again
[8:12] Delia Lake: just as a place holder for now
[8:12] Callipygian Christensen nods - I think we could combine that announcement with the call for candidates though?
[8:12] Delia Lake: we could, yes
[8:12] Callipygian Christensen: It only had a separate date because it was based on the census
[8:13] Callipygian Christensen: ok..so Lilith will review the dates to confirm accuracy
[8:13] Lilith Ivory: ok
[8:13] Callipygian Christensen: would that be possible for the next meeting Lilith?
[8:13] Lilith Ivory: sure if it´s not tomorrow 
[8:13] Callipygian Christensen laughs
[8:13] Lilith Ivory grins
[8:14] Callipygian Christensen: If there are any discrepancies, the two of you can discuss so that what comes back is the final set of dates, please
[8:14] Lilith Ivory: ok
[8:14] Arria Perreault: Calli, wich announcement do you want to combine with call for candidates?
[8:14] Callipygian Christensen: and it would be beneficial to have it on a notecard, or in some form that the text can be entered into chat so tht it is in the transcript
[8:15] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, number of seats available
[8:15] Arria Perreault: ok
[8:15] Arria Perreault: thank you
[8:16] Callipygian Christensen: ANy further discussion on this item?
[8:16] Callipygian Christensen: On to item 2 then - duties of the Secretary/Archivist
[8:17] Delia Lake: ty for doing this, Arria. it will help everyone imo
[8:17] Arria Perreault: yw ㋡
[8:17] Callipygian Christensen: the SC has not had this position officially in the past
[8:17] Callipygian Christensen: so Ithink we should identify the duties so that they can be included in our roles and procedures
[8:17] Lilith Ivory: that´s a good idea
[8:18] Callipygian Christensen: My list says : keep a transcript of meetings, post transcript to the Foums and Portal, ented all relevant dates on the Calendar
[8:18] Lilith Ivory: is there more to archive somewhere else?
[8:18] Callipygian Christensen: does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on those or other duties?
[8:19] Lilith Ivory: I finally got access to the calendar again - thanks to Sudanes help
[8:19] Callipygian Christensen: well, I need to figure out who is the ultimate keeper of the Portal
[8:19] Arria Perreault: I have always appreciated a summary of meetings with the key decisions, as the RA does
[8:19] Callipygian Christensen: RA 'digests' are in the form of the meeting trascripts and posted on the Portal..I will request that a similar journal page be created for the SC
[8:19] Soro Dagostino: who prepares the "Journal"
[8:20] Callipygian Christensen: Soro..I was typing as you asked
[8:20] Delia Lake: that's an issue that I think we need to discuss. should there even be a Journal that was different than the transcript, with a exec summary?
[8:20] Callipygian Christensen: I think it will simplify our 'looking back' if the transcripts are there in one place, and akes them easily accessible to the citizenry
[8:21] Soro Dagostino: If there is a full and complete transcript, why a "Journal."
[8:21] Arria Perreault: because transcripts are long
[8:21] Callipygian Christensen: Delia - under RA Journals there are only transcripts - so I believe the issues is one of old language
[8:21] Arria Perreault: the digests of the RA are in the forums
[8:21] Delia Lake: yes, and 1 more thing to address re the Constitution and SC reform
[8:21] Callipygian Christensen: I have asked Lilith to follow the pattern of posting with Agenda and Summary at the start, then transcript following *nod*
[8:22] Lilith Ivory nods
[8:22] Lilith Ivory: seemed to be a good idea
[8:22] Callipygian Christensen: Pat agreed to do so last term for RA and I am hoping it becomes the acceped way to post all transcripts
[8:23] Callipygian Christensen: so.who has the ability to create a page on the portal?
[8:23] Soro Dagostino: Is it then necessary for all of us to write "our reasons" for the "Journal" when what we say is in the transcript?
[8:23] Lilith Ivory: we could ask Rosie I guess
[8:24] Arria Perreault: I have this right
[8:24] Callipygian Christensen: Soro - as long as reasons are given and are in the transcript, or opinions can be linked through an URL, they are cnsidered recorded I feel
[8:24] Arria Perreault: and I have undertand the different plug in that Mizou has used
[8:24] Arria Perreault: understand*
[8:24] Callipygian Christensen: again, I think reerences to 'journal' are one of those language things that need to be cleanedup in the documents
[8:24] Soro Dagostino: I think that appropriate.
[8:24] Arria Perreault: I can explain to Lilith how to do
[8:25] Lilith Ivory: great
[8:25] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, would you cntact Mizou then and ask if it is ok to create a RA Journal /Transcript page linked from the SC page?
[8:25] Arria Perreault: yes, of course
[8:25] Callipygian Christensen: I dont feel it is appropriate for us to just 'do it' without her ok
[8:25] Pip Torok: hi Tanoujin
[8:25] Arria Perreault: of course
[8:25] Tanoujin Milestone: Hello all
[8:26] Lilith Ivory: Hi Tan
[8:26] Callipygian Christensen: welcome Tanoujin
[8:26] Soro Dagostino: Hello Tan
[8:26] Arria Perreault: Hello Tan ㋡
[8:26] Callipygian Christensen: So, LArri will contact Mizou and work with Lilith to explain posting to the page when it exists?
[8:26] Delia Lake: hi Tan
[8:26] Callipygian Christensen: Arria.I have no idea who LArri is
[8:27] Callipygian Christensen: Thank you both
[8:27] Arria Perreault: you want the similar Journal / Transcript page than the RA?
[8:27] Callipygian Christensen: Does anyone feel there are additional duties of the Secretary?
[8:27] Arria Perreault: for the SC
[8:27] Callipygian Christensen: yes Arria
[8:27] Arria Perreault: thx
[8:28] Arria Perreault: I don't see other duties for now
[8:28] Callipygian Christensen: Lilith - since you currently hold the psition, would you like to write up the job description?
[8:28] Lilith Ivory: yes of course
[8:28] Callipygian Christensen: just a list of the duties, and specify where things willl be posted please
[8:29] Lilith Ivory: ok
[8:29] Lilith Ivory: no problem
[8:29] Callipygian Christensen: thank you
[8:29] Callipygian Christensen: On to New Business
[8:29] Callipygian Christensen: Item 3 - (and I just realized these are misnumbered..grrr)
[8:30] Callipygian Christensen: 2. Scientific Council Affirmation Act and Constitutional Amendment of SC
[8:30] Callipygian Christensen: Delia wishes to speak to this first
[8:30] Callipygian Christensen: Delia?
[8:30] Delia Lake: yes
[8:30] Delia Lake: first, we have a new law regarding SC affirmations
[8:31] Delia Lake: " When a vacancy occurs on the SC, the Chair will announce that a vacancy is pending in the Forums and CDS group notices, and will specify a timeframe for external nominations to be submitted. Any citizen may put their own name forward for consideration, or may nominate any other citizen. The Chair and other members of the SC may also identify suitable nominees.
The SC will review all nominations to ensure that nominees meet the posted qualifications for SC membership.
All nominees with the required qualifications will be interviewed by the SC and will be accepted as an SC candidate by a simple majority vote.
In the event of multiple candidates, the candidate put forward to the RA will be selected by a blind draw. The Chair of the SC will provide the LRA with the name of the candidate within 24 hours of the vote or of the blind draw.
The LRA will invite the candidate to appear at the next meeting of the RA to be interviewed in regards to their perceived likelihood to uphold the Constitution, and to re
[8:31] Delia Lake: ceive a vote of confidence from the RA. RA members are expected to consider any candidate based on their ability to perform the duties of an SC member, not on any personal friendship or enmity. RA members will give a brief rationale for their vote and the candidate will be considered confirmed by a simple majority.
If the candidate is unable to attend the next meeting of the RA he or she will provide the LRA with a selection of dates and times that they are available to attend a future RA meeting, and both the candidate and the LRA will make every effort to schedule the candidate’s appearance as soon as possible.
If the candidate fails to appear at the next RA meeting, or a meeting held on an agreed date and time within 60 days of the SC meeting that approved their candidacy, their candidacy will be considered withdrawn. If the RA, due to its own failure to be quorate or to hold a meeting on an agreed date and time to interview the candidate, fails to interview the candidate at a public RA meeting, within 60 days of the SC meeting that approved the candidacy, the candidate will be considered confirmed.
During the 60
[8:31] Delia Lake: hin 60 days of the SC meeting that approved the candidacy, the candidate will be considered confirmed.
During the 60 day period, or until the RA vote of confidence is held, the candidate will attend SC meetings and will be permitted to contribute their opinions and expertise, but will not be permitted to vote."
[8:32] Delia Lake: so when we have future vacancies there will be a new procedure
[8:33] Delia Lake: I recommend that we have a new SC posting permission only thread on the
[8:33] Delia Lake: Forum that will have all the SC related procedures and rules
[8:33] Delia Lake: so that everyone can find them without hunting
[8:34] Callipygian Christensen: oh..excellent idea Delia
[8:34] Callipygian Christensen: purely informational..not for discussion, yes?
[8:34] Delia Lake: this new law would go there and also our procedures for what the duties of the SC are that we used in speaking with you, Arria, before you were nominated
[8:35] Delia Lake: yes, no discussion only information
[8:35] Callipygian Christensen: and as we develop or reform procedures, add them also
[8:36] Delia Lake: so that in the future if a citizen thinks they might be interested in being on the SC they can not only come to meetings but also have a reference for what the duties are
[8:36] Delia Lake: and we all can check easily also
[8:36] Callipygian Christensen: would you liek discussion on that now Delia, or did you have further things to put forward first?
[8:36] Delia Lake: yes, as new policies and laws come into effect they would be put there as well
[8:37] Delia Lake: discussion now as I have nothing further right now
[8:38] Callipygian Christensen: Members of the SC..any comments, thoughts, suggestions?
[8:38] Soro Dagostino raises hand.
[8:38] Callipygian Christensen: Soro?
[8:39] Soro Dagostino: For the record, I note my disagreement with the limitation on voting. The appointment should be valid unless the RA rejects the candidate.
[8:39] Soro Dagostino: Done.
[8:40] Pip Torok raises hand
[8:40] Callipygian Christensen: well, so noted, but the law now states that as part of the process
[8:40] Delia Lake raises her hand also
[8:40] Callipygian Christensen: Delia?
[8:42] Delia Lake: regarding your point, Soro, the law did pass the RA so it is in effect now. What you raise as an objection, I can see your point. My suggestion is that you contribute your comments into the Balance of Powers thread on the Forum. this imo is part of a much larger and inclusive examination of the branches of gov't
[8:43] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[8:43] Callipygian Christensen: I would also point out that the new law places a responsibility on both the candidate AND the RA to work towards an interview occurring
[8:44] Callipygian Christensen: Soro?
[8:44] Soro Dagostino: It is this body that makes the appointment.
[8:45] Soro Dagostino: In that regard, the "law" passed, but did the constituional amendment? I did not see that Anna exercised her 7 day vote?
[8:45] Callipygian Christensen: It is, that has not changed..but the appointment has always required conrimation by the RA
[8:45] Soro Dagostino: Disagree with that.
[8:45] Callipygian Christensen: well, lets wait for the amendment conversation until the law one is over?
[8:45] Soro Dagostino: The RA only had the right to reject.
[8:46] Soro Dagostino: For a very limited reason.
[8:46] Callipygian Christensen: Soro, with all due respect, Delia and I worked on compromise and consensus to develop this new law
[8:46] Soro Dagostino: And, in general, I applaude your work.
[8:47] Soro Dagostino: But I think you got had as to this issue.,
[8:47] Callipygian Christensen: While I recgnize your concerns, having those concerns identified while we were in discussions would have been more prodcutive..the law now stands as it is
[8:47] Shep Titian: Sigh
[8:47] Soro Dagostino: My point is made.
[8:48] Callipygian Christensen: thank you..any further commetns from SC members?
[8:48] Arria Perreault: I agree with Soro that we should know if the amendment passes
[8:48] Callipygian Christensen: Pip - you raised your hand..did you have a question?
[8:49] Callipygian Christensen: Arria..amendment is next
[8:49] Pip Torok: i was to make a point now covered b y upi .. shall i quote it?
[8:49] Arria Perreault: ok
[8:49] Callipygian Christensen: if its breif Pip..go ahead
[8:49] Pip Torok: [08:43 AM] Callipygian Christensen: I would also point out that the new law places a responsibility on both the candidate AND the RA to work towards an interview occurring
[08:44 AM] Callipygian Christensen: Soro?
[8:50] Callipygian Christensen: ok..thank you
[8:50] Pip Torok: disregard last line
[8:51] Callipygian Christensen: Finishing up this part of the item - is everyone in support of a Forum that allows posting of all out rules and procedures to provide easy access to all?
[8:51] Pip Torok: done
[8:51] Callipygian Christensen says aye
[8:51] Lilith Ivory: I am for sure
[8:51] Arria Perreault: aye
[8:51] Delia Lake: right now, as a practical and functional matter, the law is in effect. it was passed by the RA and not flagged by the SC--and any of the SC can do the flagging. how any branch balances out another should now be part of the balance of powers conversation
[8:51] Delia Lake: sorry for the lag here
[8:51] Delia Lake: aye on forum thread
[8:52] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[8:52] Callipygian Christensen: Delia - would you create that Forum adn a top posting to explain its purpose please?
[8:53] Callipygian Christensen: Soro?
[8:53] Delia Lake: yes
[8:54] Soro Dagostino: I note for the record that the ratification process is constitutional -- and not statutory. And it needs the constititional change approved before the law can take effect.
[8:54] Soro Dagostino: FWIW
[8:55] Arria Perreault raises hand
[8:55] Callipygian Christensen: So noted Soro - and consitutional amendment is up next
[8:56] Callipygian Christensen: Arria?
[8:56] Arria Perreault: will the law be valid if the Constitutional amendment doesn't pass?
[8:56] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, the amendment did not pass, as you are all aware
[8:57] Callipygian Christensen: I'll speak to that now and then we can discuss what happens form here
[8:57] Arria Perreault: ok
[8:57] Callipygian Christensen: For the recrod, I am extremely disappointed that one of the RA members of the joint committee chose to vote nay based on language he had himself included in proposing the amendment originally, and that the other 'deciding' vote was not even cast. We will however continue to work towards this reform becausse it is important to the CDS .
[8:58] Callipygian Christensen: One of the problems of reform that corsses over into both law and Consitution is what has occurred here..
[8:58] Callipygian Christensen: the law stands..but cannot be enforced, in my opinion, untol the amendment is passed in some form
[8:59] Callipygian Christensen: The SC strongly wants reform, so we will review the amendment and sbmit frm the committee again
[8:59] Delia Lake: interestingly the law that passed repealed NL 4-8. If the RA fails to act on an SC nomination within 30 days of the Scientific Council Dean’s communicating notice of the nomination to the Leader of the RA, the nominee is confirmed automatically.
[8:59] Callipygian Christensen: perhaps the fact that this law may need to be removed if an amendment does not pass might be a motivator for some in the process.
[9:00] Callipygian Christensen: Indeed Delia
[9:01] Callipygian Christensen: So..discussion..and mindful of the time, can we stay with any mjor points and move general discussion of changes to the amedndment to the Forum please?
[9:01] Callipygian Christensen: SC members..commetns, thoughts?
[9:02] Arria Perreault: your idea is to continue the workgroup and to submit a new amendment?
[9:02] Delia Lake: imo, it is in the best interest of th SC as well as the CDS community at large to reform the SC section of the Constitution. right now it is unworkable in a number of ways. we do not operated as a tiered body in the SC neither do I believe we should so the language regarding professors and chairs is an anachronism that should be removed
[9:02] Callipygian Christensen: yes Arria..Beathan , at the RA meeting, indicated a deesire to just resubmit to the hew RA
[9:02] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[9:03] Arria Perreault: good. I agree we follow this way
[9:03] Arria Perreault: and I agree that we need to reform
[9:03] Lilith Ivory nods
[9:03] Callipygian Christensen: In theory we could do so, but Delia and I believe we can improve it before resubmitting
[9:04] Callipygian Christensen: Soro?
[9:04] Delia Lake: yes
[9:04] Soro Dagostino: I do not disagree with that effort. I disagree with the limitation on the SC's right to appoint its members.
[9:05] Callipygian Christensen: So noted again Soro
[9:06] Callipygian Christensen: regardng any changes to the amendment before resubmitting- delia and I will meet with the committee mebers..if any of you have concerns, suggestions etc..identfying them before we do so would be helpful
[9:06] Callipygian Christensen: an example of something we plan to address is a transition regarding term limits
[9:06] Delia Lake: concurrent with yet separate from any SC reform recommendations, I strongly encourage all SC members, and all citizens to participate in a discussion of balance of powers via this Forum thread. http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3838
[9:07] Delia Lake: it is my reposting of Gwyn's original post
[9:07] Callipygian Christensen: any other areas you see in the amendment that you have thoughts on, in the next few days is the time to let us know
[9:07] Delia Lake: and she raises many points that I believe we should revisit as a community
[9:08] Callipygian Christensen: In addition, this amendment is just the beginning - reform of procedures is a natual follow up to it
[9:08] Callipygian Christensen: SC members..any other comments on this tiem - the Amendment that went before the last RA meeting?
[9:09] Callipygian Christensen: ok..we move on
[9:10] Callipygian Christensen: SC procedural reform - preliminary discussion
[9:10] Callipygian Christensen: In the interests of time, I would like to suggest that all SC members review the current Rules and Procedures of the SC poste on the Portal
[9:10] Callipygian Christensen: not right now, but in the next few days
[9:11] Arria Perreault: ok
[9:11] Lilith Ivory nods
[9:11] Delia Lake: yes
[9:11] Callipygian Christensen: also consider practices and procedures that we have inherited but that are not identfied there
[9:12] Callipygian Christensen: I would like each member to flag those items they feel need reform or rewording and we will start discussion of them on the SC Discussion thread
[9:12] Callipygian Christensen: Is hhat acceptable to everyone?
[9:12] Lilith Ivory: I´m fine with that
[9:12] Arria Perreault: yes
[9:12] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand to ask a question
[9:12] Soro Dagostino: nod
[9:13] Delia Lake: yes
[9:13] Callipygian Christensen: Then we will do taht..If people would e-mail me their items..I will post them as threads
[9:14] Callipygian Christensen: rather than have multiple threads on the same issues
[9:14] Callipygian Christensen: Tanoujin?
[9:14] Tanoujin Milestone: The proposed amendment drafter by Gwyn under the link you provided
http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3838
is the base of the discussion?
[9:14] Callipygian Christensen: Tanoujin - not exactly - it is related to SC reform..or reform of any part of govt
[9:14] Delia Lake: yes, Tan. imo it is not ready to be an amendment, and Gwyn agrees
[9:15] Tanoujin Milestone: i see, thank you
[9:15] Delia Lake: but is a good start for discussion regarding all branches and how they should work together
[9:15] Callipygian Christensen: Delia is suggesting that all ctizens review Gwyn's proposal since it affects any process lie the one we are struggling through right now
[9:15] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you for the explanation
[9:17] Callipygian Christensen: SC members..anything further on SC procedures reform?
[9:18] Callipygian Christensen: onward to Admin
[9:18] Callipygian Christensen: Responsibilities of SC members
[9:19] Callipygian Christensen: I think, as part of our procedures and to clarify for both citizens and mebers, we should identfiy the responsibilites of all SC members
[9:19] Lilith Ivory: good idea
[9:19] Callipygian Christensen: In part this is to ensure that in future, random claims that X isn't doing their job, or 'the SC is a bunch of slackers not doing their work' can be either confirmed or clearly pointed out as wrong
[9:20] Callipygian Christensen: I think it also will assist new SC members in knowing what is expected
[9:20] Delia Lake: agreed
[9:21] Callipygian Christensen: I'd like us to create a preliminary list right now and it can be edited etc for review at our next meeting
[9:21] Delia Lake: esp in that a good deal of the research the SC must do is not done in public meetings
[9:21] Callipygian Christensen: ok..roundtable..ill call on each of you and you can identify a responsibility of our role
[9:22] Callipygian Christensen: Delia? (and the rest of you can be typing while others reply
[9:23] Delia Lake: #1 is ensuring that the RA, Exec, and the SC itself all operate consistent with the UDHR, the CDS constitution, code of laws and LL ToS
[9:23] Callipygian Christensen: ok..so we can include in our list *how* we do that
[9:24] Callipygian Christensen: Lilith?
[9:24] Delia Lake: and violation of any of those must be flagged by the SC and remedies recommended and sometimes enforced
[9:24] Lilith Ivory: uhm yes?
[9:24] Callipygian Christensen: Could you add a responsibility or duty to the list please?
[9:25] Lilith Ivory: oh ok sorry got distracted by a phone call
[9:25] Callipygian Christensen: ok..we'll come back to you..Soro?
[9:25] Soro Dagostino: Be aware of the Constitution; Watch that the RA and Excutive do not overstep their limits.Read the forums and the transcripts.
[9:25] Callipygian Christensen: thank you
[9:25] Callipygian Christensen: Arria?
[9:26] Arria Perreault: we have to inform citizen about our decisions and what we do in the SC
[9:26] Callipygian Christensen: thank you
[9:26] Callipygian Christensen: Lilith?
[9:26] Lilith Ivory: also the SC has to moderate the Forum
[9:27] Lilith Ivory: and is responsible for the elcetion process
[9:27] Callipygian Christensen: great lilith..steal the last one that I was going to add!
[9:27] Soro Dagostino: for that we do need some training . . . a morass for those of us who are not programmers.
[9:27] Lilith Ivory grins
[9:28] Callipygian Christensen: I will combine theese into an 'SC job desrition for next meeting
[9:28] Callipygian Christensen: yes Soro..I think I have fixed the problem of you getting all the registration notices btw
[9:28] Delia Lake: re Soro's point we should probably address in our procedures the instructions for forum moderation
[9:29] Callipygian Christensen: and as Soro points out, the Forum is a category allits own..and is next tiem today
[9:29] Callipygian Christensen: so to finish this one..if anyone has further thoughts on duties etc please e-mail them to me for inclusion
[9:29] Callipygian Christensen: I can post the description on the SC Discussion thread prior to next meeting for comment
[9:30] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[9:30] Callipygian Christensen: SC mebers - any further thoughts on this item?
[9:30] Callipygian Christensen: Soro?
[9:30] Soro Dagostino: Mme Dean, would you post your list to each of the SC members via e-mail, for comment.
[9:30] Delia Lake: another duty constitutionally for the SC is to receive, hear and adjudicate disputes between citizens and government. specifically when the citizen feels wronged by actions of the government
[9:31] Soro Dagostino: And then to the forums.
[9:32] Delia Lake: and also it falls to the SC to hear impeachment trials of any RA should there ever be any
[9:32] Callipygian Christensen: Sor, I can do so, but is there a reason such discsuion should not be transparent on the Forums?
[9:33] Delia Lake: imo, this is another area that is not well enough defined regarding procedure and one we should look at
[9:33] Callipygian Christensen: thank you Delia..those will be included
[9:33] Soro Dagostino: It might make continuing discussions easier on all.
[9:33] Soro Dagostino: Transparency does have its limits.
[9:33] Callipygian Christensen: (Impeachment etc also starts to cross over into consitutional matters)
[9:33] Delia Lake: this discussion should be posted on the SC discussion thread where only we can post
[9:34] Soro Dagostino: 5 or six people snarling in corners.
[9:34] Delia Lake: yes, Calli, it is constitutional but the procedures should be laid out clearly and they are not
[9:34] Callipygian Christensen: Soro, as I look along this bench I don't see much likelihood of snarling to be honest
[9:35] Soro Dagostino: Just a comment.
[9:35] Callipygian Christensen: I'll put it to a vote though
[9:35] Callipygian Christensen: Memers of the SC - is it acceptable to you to discuss our duties on the SC Discussion thread, transparent to the citizenry?
[9:35] Delia Lake: in the constitution is "The SC can seek impeachment of members of the Representative branch for violating the constitution or acting illegally."
[9:35] Delia Lake: and then below is possible "punishments"
[9:36] Callipygian Christensen: Delia - I agree, but feel we can go into the details of that in the discussions, to have this meeting end in a timely fashion, if that is ok.
[9:36] Delia Lake: but the conduct of the hearing itself should be spelled out ahead of time imo, esp re RA impeachments
[9:36] Delia Lake: yes, in discussions thread
[9:37] Lilith Ivory: yes
[9:37] Callipygian Christensen: Members of the SC..I would like an aye or a nay to holding the discussion publically on the Forums
[9:37] Lilith Ivory: aye from me
[9:37] Delia Lake: aye
[9:38] Soro Dagostino: Nay -- I have practiced law for more than 40 years. If a body can't present a consesus posiion, you breed war.
[9:38] Arria Perreault: aye
[9:38] Callipygian Christensen: and aye from me
[9:39] Callipygian Christensen: This does not preclude members from discussing things, talking things through etc outside of the Forum threads..
[9:40] Callipygian Christensen: but there is the expectation that once you have thought things through, had those conversations, you will post to the thread so that the citizenry can see how we come to our description of our roles and dutes
[9:40] Delia Lake: the value of the SC Discussion thread is that we all can discuss and offer supporting documentation all in 1 place
[9:41] Callipygian Christensen: to add to what Delia has said - it also allows time to read, consider, review etc
[9:41] Delia Lake: yes
[9:41] Lilith Ivory nods
[9:41] Callipygian Christensen: I will summarize the list and post it to the Forum
[9:41] Callipygian Christensen: anything further on this item SC members?
[9:43] Callipygian Christensen: In the interests of time I propose moving the last item - Forum management and moderation to the Forums for discussion
[9:43] Arria Perreault: I agree
[9:43] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[9:43] Callipygian Christensen: I have had discussion with Gwyn regarding this, and can post the outcomes there and we can discuss
[9:43] Callipygian Christensen: Delia, Soro?
[9:44] Delia Lake: agree
[9:44] Soro Dagostino: nod
[9:44] Callipygian Christensen: So agreed - I will post that item to the Forums
[9:45] Callipygian Christensen: While it is not on the agenda, at this time I would like to invite those citizens present to ask any questions about today's proceedgins?
[9:45] Pip Torok: thank you but i have no questions at the moment
[9:46] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you, no questions atm
[9:46] Shep Titian: Nor me thank you
[9:46] Callipygian Christensen: Much of the SC's business is not meant to include debate or discussion forom the citizens, in the way that RA business is. As identified earlier, the SC answers to and decides based on documentation.
[9:47] Callipygian Christensen: That doesnt mean that questions about our business are not welcome. Since you have none..I would like to thank you for attending today.
[9:47] Callipygian Christensen: Date of nextmeeting
[9:48] Callipygian Christensen: Nune 30th?
[9:48] Callipygian Christensen: June
[9:48] Delia Lake: not good for me
[9:48] Arria Perreault: not good for me
[9:48] Callipygian Christensen: the following week is a holiday in the US
[9:48] Delia Lake: I have a rl community festival on June 30
[9:48] Callipygian Christensen: July 1st?
[9:49] Soro Dagostino: Ok
[9:49] Lilith Ivory: sundays are always better for me than saturdays
[9:49] Arria Perreault: ok for me
[9:49] Delia Lake: not for me. I'll be driving my granddaughter to Cape Cod that day
[9:49] Delia Lake: July 1 that is
[9:49] Callipygian Christensen: alternately we could move a week earlier ..I just dont want to leave it 5 or 6 weeks
[9:50] Delia Lake: a week earlier would be fine for me
[9:50] Soro Dagostino: Summer Soltice.
[9:50] Callipygian Christensen: June 24th then?
[9:50] Arria Perreault: for me too
[9:50] Lilith Ivory: fine for me also
[9:50] Soro Dagostino: Sailors all over the world are sailing that day.
[9:50] Arria Perreault: saturday or sunday are fine
[9:50] Soro Dagostino: Me included.
[9:50] Callipygian Christensen: which day Soro?
[9:50] Soro Dagostino: All weekend.
[9:50] Callipygian Christensen: the weekend of June 24?
[9:51] Soro Dagostino: That is Summer Soltice.
[9:51] Arria Perreault: june - july is not an easy period
[9:51] Arria Perreault: 8th July I am away too
[9:51] Callipygian Christensen: Arria..no..and the realty is we can probably never accommodate everyone
[9:51] Callipygian Christensen: I see June 24 as working for most
[9:51] Arria Perreault: I know
[9:51] Callipygian Christensen: Soro, as always, you can submit thoughts on agenda items to be entered into the transcript
[9:52] Callipygian Christensen: I will make a note to have the agenda out early in that week to accomodate that
[9:53] Delia Lake: and post on the SC discussion thread ahead for member comments by item if we would so desire
[9:53] Callipygian Christensen: Since much of the discussion will have occurred on the Forums, submitting anything additional is hopefully easy to do
[9:53] Callipygian Christensen: so we are agreed, June 24th - same time?
[9:53] Lilith Ivory: 8am?
[9:53] Delia Lake: yes that works for me
[9:53] Lilith Ivory: fine with me
[9:54] Callipygian Christensen: Arria?
[9:54] Arria Perreault: yes
[9:54] Callipygian Christensen: I will contact Aliasi to see if this timeslot is harder for her to attend than some other..we can have that discssion for futre meetings if needed
[9:55] Arria Perreault: sorry I have to run ....
[9:55] Arria Perreault: bye bye everyone
[9:55] Callipygian Christensen: so next meeting is Sunday June 24 at 8 am
[9:55] Lilith Ivory: see you Arria
[9:55] Lilith Ivory: I´m going to post it at the calendar
[9:55] Delia Lake: bye Aria.
[9:55] Callipygian Christensen: I think we are done (bye Arria) can I have a motion to adjourn?
[9:55] Delia Lake: I move that we adjourn
[9:55] Lilith Ivory: second
[9:55] Callipygian Christensen: all in favour?
[9:55] Delia Lake: aye
[9:55] Lilith Ivory: aye
[9:56] Soro Dagostino: Aye
[9:56] Callipygian Christensen: aye
[9:56] Callipygian Christensen: we are adjourned..thank you all for an efficent meeting!
