[8:54] Soro Dagostino: Hi Delia
[8:55] Lilith Ivory: Hi everybody
[8:55] Arria Perreault: Hi Lilith
[8:55] Soro Dagostino: Hello Lillith
[8:55] Delia Lake: hi Lilith
[8:56] Arria Perreault: Calli, I will have to leave the meeting for around 30 min at 8.30
[8:56] Arria Perreault: I have to have dinner before the european soccer finale
[8:56] Callipygian Christensen: we may be done by then Arria 
[8:56] Lilith Ivory grins
[8:57] Arria Perreault: sorry, Lilith 
[8:57] Lilith Ivory: griining about soccer
[8:57] Callipygian Christensen: Does anyone know if a quorate RA meeting was held yesterday?
[8:57] Lilith Ivory: I don´t think so
[8:57] Callipygian Christensen: O saw mptoces pf a start. then a delayed start..and don't see a trasncript yet
[8:57] Callipygian Christensen: ummm
[8:58] Lilith Ivory: Tan was there and told me there was no quorum
[8:58] Callipygian Christensen: 'I saw notices of a.." lol
[8:58] Delia Lake: I didn't find a transcript
[8:58] Arria Perreault: there is only an agenda with one proposed Bill
[8:59] Callipygian Christensen: No one on to ask either
[8:59] Delia Lake: I read the bill
[8:59] Callipygian Christensen: well, it shortens today even more
[8:59] Callipygian Christensen: Delia, it's a bill we've urged creation of for some time
[9:00] Delia Lake: yes
[9:00] Callipygian Christensen: It should settle once and for all what is 'reasonable'
[9:00] Delia Lake: agreed
[9:00] Callipygian Christensen: ok..time to begin
[9:00] Callipygian Christensen: did everyone get the agenda?
[9:00] Soro Dagostino: I did.
[9:00] Delia Lake: yes
[9:00] Lilith Ivory: yes
[9:01] Arria Perreault: yes
[9:01] Arria Perreault: Hi Fern ㋡
[9:01] Fern Leissa: Mornin everyone
[9:01] Delia Lake: hi Fern
[9:01] Fern Leissa: Hi Arria
[9:01] Fern Leissa: Hi Delia
[9:01] Callipygian Christensen: Please be aware that all meetings of the SC are recorded and the transcript is published - speaking during the meeting is permission to be recorded and published
[9:01] Lilith Ivory: hi Fern
[9:01] Soro Dagostino: Hello Fern
[9:01] Fern Leissa: Hi Lilith
[9:01] Callipygian Christensen: hi Fern!
[9:01] Fern Leissa: Hi Soro
[9:02] Arria Perreault: I agree with the agenda. I have only a short information about the portal
[9:02] Fern Leissa: brb
[9:02] Callipygian Christensen: Are there any problems with the agenda?
[9:02] Lilith Ivory: I´m fine with the agenda
[9:02] Delia Lake: me too
[9:03] Soro Dagostino: It is ok.
[9:03] Callipygian Christensen: I move the agenda be adopted, all items being matters of open discussion among SC members with time limits as posted
[9:03] Delia Lake: second
[9:03] Callipygian Christensen: First, apologies to all that I have not posted writings to the Forums yet - my wrist hasnt allowed for extended typing but I should get some work done this coming week.
[9:04] Callipygian Christensen: all in favour?
[9:04] Arria Perreault: yes
[9:04] Delia Lake: aye
[9:04] Arria Perreault: aye
[9:04] Callipygian Christensen: (and an ooops at the premature cut and paste!)
[9:04] Soro Dagostino: affirmative.
[9:04] Callipygian Christensen: Agenda is adopted and apologies made
[9:05] Lilith Ivory smiles
[9:05] Callipygian Christensen: Under old business, dates for the next 3 RA elections..Arria and Lilith?
[9:05] Lilith Ivory: I had a look at Arrias draft and it looks fine for me
[9:05] Lilith Ivory: nothing to complain
[9:06] Fern Leissa: b
[9:07] Arria Perreault: I have no addtional remark
[9:07] Callipygian Christensen: So all dates are accurate and based on the formula of the 17th RA election?used for the dates
[9:07] Lilith Ivory: the only thing we could do is to make an extra line for polls open and polls closing times
[9:07] Callipygian Christensen: that is backwards..8sigh* the dates used for the 17th
[9:07] Lilith Ivory: yes I compared them with the ones you postet for the last election Calli
[9:08] Callipygian Christensen: can you post them into the chat so they are recorded in the transcript?
[9:09] Lilith Ivory: I could post the link again - the whole list is way long
[9:09] Lilith Ivory: but of course I can do that also
[9:10] Callipygian Christensen: ok..please post the link here so that we have something specific to vote on
[9:10] Lilith Ivory:
[9:11] Lilith Ivory: I could also post the times at the calendar and the forum if you want me too
[9:11] Callipygian Christensen: a list in the format we used to publish the dates for the 17th election should be created so that we can send it to the other branches of government and post it on the Forums so that citizens can easily find it
[9:11] Lilith Ivory: do you want to do that Arria or should I?
[9:11] Lilith Ivory: at least you had the major work with it
[9:12] Soro Dagostino: I move that we approve the schedule as published.
[9:13] Callipygian Christensen: could I have a second please?
[9:13] Lilith Ivory: I second
[9:13] Callipygian Christensen: all infavour of accepting the dates posted at the link given as the official dates for the 18th, 19th and 20th RA say aye please
[9:13] Delia Lake: aye
[9:13] Callipygian Christensen: RA elections that is
[9:13] Lilith Ivory: aye
[9:13] Soro Dagostino: aye
[9:13] Callipygian Christensen: aye
[9:14] Callipygian Christensen: Arria?
[9:14] Arria Perreault: aye
[9:14] Callipygian Christensen: thank you..the dates are official
[9:15] Arria Perreault: I suggest we add them in the CDS events calendar
[9:15] Lilith Ivory: I can do that if you want me to
[9:15] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, Lilith - would you work out between you who will create the notecard and Forum post, and yes, posting to the Calendar would be great Lilith
[9:16] Arria Perreault: and also in the portal
[9:16] Arria Perreault: I agree to work on this
[9:16] Lilith Ivory: as you had the major work with creating the list I can do the posting if you like Arria
[9:16] Arria Perreault: ok
[9:17] Callipygian Christensen: I'll leave it to you two to work it out - would it be possible to have it done by the end of July?
[9:17] Arria Perreault: I will just make the google doc public
[9:17] Lilith Ivory nods
[9:17] Arria Perreault: so everyone can read it
[9:17] Lilith Ivory: good idea
[9:17] Lilith Ivory: I will post it in the calendar and make a forum post
[9:17] Lilith Ivory: SC announcements?
[9:18] Callipygian Christensen: We will still need an in-world notecard and a Forum post I think
[9:18] Lilith Ivory: or somewhere else?
[9:18] Arria Perreault: the CDS portal
[9:18] Callipygian Christensen: SC announcements I think Lilith
[9:18] Lilith Ivory: ok
[9:18] Callipygian Christensen: does anyone have further discussion or comment on this matter?
[9:19] Delia Lake: none further
[9:19] Callipygian Christensen: on to item 2 then
[9:19] Lilith Ivory: lol I found it a little odd to find me and Arria on yesterdays RA agenda to talk about it
[9:19] Lilith Ivory: without getting informed before
[9:20] Lilith Ivory: and without having the times approved
[9:21] Callipygian Christensen frowns
[9:21] Callipygian Christensen: I didnt see that on the agenda
[9:21] Callipygian Christensen: was a different agenda given out at the meeting?
[9:21] Arria Perreault: I only saw the agenda on the forums
[9:21] Lilith Ivory: let me check - as I only got told about this
000000[9:22] Agenda Giver owned by Cindy Ecksol gave you 'SC agenda July 1' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/165/41 ).
[9:22] Lilith Ivory: lol ok
[9:22] Callipygian Christensen: I suspect someone may have mixed up their agendas and werereading the SC one
[9:22] Lilith Ivory: the RA agenda giver gave the SC agenda out
[9:22] Callipygian Christensen: ok..onward
[9:22] Lilith Ivory giggles
[9:22] Callipygian Christensen: oh..that was very proactive lol
[9:23] Callipygian Christensen: Scientific Council Affirmation Act and Constitutional Amendment of SC
[9:23] Lilith Ivory: in fact it made me stay away from that meeting so not to create drama
[9:23] Callipygian Christensen: the law that is dangling out there without a consitutional amendment to support it is still dangling.
[9:23] Delia Lake: yes, it is
[9:24] Delia Lake: and we still have the structural issues that are impossible on that account
[9:24] Callipygian Christensen: I've not worked on getting the group together to discuss since I've been unable to commit to the typing. I *will* get a meeting aranged asap to address this with the group
[9:25] Delia Lake: i will have a hard time coming to a meeting this next week but can attend from next weekend on
[9:25] Callipygian Christensen: I hope to see it on the agenda for the next RA meeting so it is important that SC members review any postings about it before then so that we are all aware of what is being proposed
[9:25] Delia Lake: I was talking with Arria earlier as we were both here
[9:25] Delia Lake: I see 3 related areas we need to address
[9:25] Callipygian Christensen: There is likely to be little change to the amendment that failed, so reveiwing that is a starting point
[9:26] Delia Lake: yes
[9:26] Callipygian Christensen: Go ahead Delia if you want to summarize right now?
[9:28] Delia Lake: right now we still have the structure of a university with professors, chairs and a dean. the new amendment would have SC members (5) 1 of which is elected Dean
[9:28] Delia Lake: much better imo
[9:28] Lilith Ivory nods
[9:28] Callipygian Christensen nods - and once that comes into effect ( being optimistic here) we can address meeting format, heairng format etc in our own procedures
[9:28] Delia Lake: former dean title would then become Chair
[9:30] Delia Lake: Arria is setting up a space for transcripts from SC meetings on the portal and that would replace the current journal requirement that could be read to be in addition to the transcripts
[9:31] Callipygian Christensen: Based on the same format RA has used and is updating to be complete - we might consider copying past transcripts over as well
[9:32] Delia Lake: the whole area of hearings and trials though has not been sufficiently addressed imo as the laws that morphed from the failed judiciary are still in effect
[9:32] Delia Lake: yes to copying transcripts
[9:32] Callipygian Christensen: I have the whole hearings/impeachment/petition area as round 2 of our group reform dsicussions Delia *nod*
[9:33] Callipygian Christensen: If any members of the SC have thoughts on those areas of the curerent laws and procedures sending them to Delia or I to incorporate into the discussions would be beneficial
[9:35] Delia Lake: beyond that, and related, I recommend that we do officially include discussion of balance of powers of the 3 branches. not that we need to be definitive right now but it is an issue that is lurking in the background. and it will be difficult to have a modified constitution that has real coherence without that
[9:36] Delia Lake: and then we need to develop SC policies and procedures that are doable
[9:36] Callipygian Christensen nods. That is an issue of some contention it became clear in our previous discussions
[9:36] Delia Lake: it is contentious for sure
[9:36] Callipygian Christensen: So we've blended item 3 into the discussion already
[9:37] Delia Lake: but not addressing that background issue doesn't make it go away or become unimportant
[9:37] Callipygian Christensen: Delia and I will continue in the discussions with the joint group with the aim to get phase 1 of the reform into place as soon as possible. At that point we can begin on procedural reform
[9:38] Callipygian Christensen: We'll then go on with discussions about balance of power etc and any final reform to Consitution or law
[9:38] Delia Lake: ok
[9:38] Lilith Ivory nods
[9:39] Callipygian Christensen: My concern right now Delia is that without the amendment passed, as Soro pointed out, the law that *was* passed is a contradiction to the Consitution
[9:40] Delia Lake: if other SC members would read the constitution + Gwyn's earlier post re balance of power and if you have ideas and concerns let Calli and me know it would be appreciated
[9:40] Delia Lake: agreed with what Soro and you are saying
[9:41] Delia Lake: but at the same time we have the trials laws that cannot be implemented either
[9:41] Delia Lake: not as written. this is some of what I mean by coherence
[9:41] Callipygian Christensen: I agree Delia - so will get the group back together on it as soon as possible
[9:42] Soro Dagostino: You are doing a wonderful job.
[9:42] Callipygian Christensen: Do any other SC members have comments or concerns about item 2 or 3?
[9:42] Lilith Ivory: not atm
[9:42] Callipygian Christensen: oh..one further comment
[9:42] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[9:43] Callipygian Christensen: in readdressing the smendment we will address a transition for SC members. Term limits are psrt of it and we will want a specific transition method in place
[9:43] Callipygian Christensen: Soro?
[9:44] Soro Dagostino: My continuing interest to be sure we retain the right to appoint appropriate candidates to the SC.
[9:45] Soro Dagostino: is*
[9:45] Delia Lake raises her hand
[9:45] Callipygian Christensen: Delia?
[9:46] Delia Lake: I have a corollary concern to Soro's. that is that the SC members be selected on merit and not on popularity or personality
[9:48] Callipygian Christensen: CDSL 16-07 Scientific Council Affirmation Procedures Act is the law that now establishes the process
[9:48] Delia Lake: and that the affirmation by the RA be limited to ability and commitment to uphold the constitution and laws not adherence to political ideology
[9:48] Delia Lake: but there are some who have voiced the desire to have SC members selected by popular election and have that in the constitution
[9:48] Callipygian Christensen: the law staes:
[9:48] Callipygian Christensen: The LRA will invite the candidate to appear at the next meeting of the RA to be interviewed in regards to their perceived likelihood to uphold the Constitution, and to receive a vote of confidence from the RA. RA members are expected to consider any candidate based on their ability to perform the duties of an SC member, not on any personal friendship or enmity. RA members will give a brief rationale for their vote and the candidate will be considered confirmed by a simple majority.
[9:49] Delia Lake: yes. that
[9:50] Callipygian Christensen: Delia, that was part of the discussions w'eve had prior to the passing of this law - unless the joint group has a sudden swing in a different direction, I don't foresee that coming up again
[9:50] Callipygian Christensen: I think the law states what should occur - but like any law, it cant control people's personal biases etc
[9:51] Soro Dagostino: Word.
[9:51] Delia Lake: yes, it was discussed and currently the texts specify meritocracy remain
[9:51] Callipygian Christensen: requiring a rationale for the vote given inserts more accountability that existed in the past though
[9:51] Delia Lake: yes
[9:52] Callipygian Christensen: So my thought is we move forward with the reform issues we have previously identified, and address any retroactive challenges if and when they occur?
[9:52] Delia Lake: yes
[9:53] Callipygian Christensen: and again, if any SC member has specific thoughts/suggestions.concerns about reform and procedural changes, please send to Delia and I
[9:53] Callipygian Christensen: Anything further on item 2 and 3?
[9:54] Callipygian Christensen: ok..on to new business and item 4
[9:54] Arria Perreault: not from me
[9:54] Callipygian Christensen: we have not established if there was or was not a quorate meeting of RA yesterday
[9:55] Soro Dagostino: I do not think the meeting had a quorum.
[9:55] Callipygian Christensen: If there was, and a transcript of it is posted, please be sure to review it within 48 hours of posting. That is the time limit to flag any legislation for review.
[9:55] Lilith Ivory is hesistant to talk about hear say again ... but at lest the first try didn´t ahve a quorum
[9:55] Soro Dagostino: I would move to table until after the official transcript is posted.
[9:56] Callipygian Christensen: well, if they didn't, no transcript will appear and it's a moot point
[9:56] Callipygian Christensen: I dont think we even need to table it Soro - if it didn occur, there is nothing to address in the future either
[9:57] Callipygian Christensen: As posted in the agenda, administrative items from pervious agenda are heldo over to the nexmeeting.
[9:57] Callipygian Christensen: Does anyone have anything further to discuss today?
[9:58] Arria Perreault: no
[9:58] Lilith Ivory: not me
[9:58] Delia Lake: nothing from me
[9:58] Callipygian Christensen: Fern..I invite you to ask any questions at this time
[9:58] Soro Dagostino: I yield to the wisdom of the Dean.
[9:58] Callipygian Christensen: no, you are yeilding to the wrist of the Dean Soro lol
[9:58] Fern Leissa: nothing really... though maybe after informally someone could fill me in on the ra meeting
[9:58] Arria Perreault has to go now
[9:59] Fern Leissa: Bye Arria
[9:59] Delia Lake: bye Arria
[9:59] Callipygian Christensen: bye Arria!
[9:59] Lilith Ivory: bye Arria
[9:59] Callipygian Christensen: date for next meeting
[9:59] Arria Perreault: bye bye all
[9:59] Callipygian Christensen: July 15th?
[9:59] Lilith Ivory: works for me
[10:00] Delia Lake: that date should be ok for me
[10:00] Callipygian Christensen: thats a Sunday..or July 21 which is a Saturday?
[10:01] Callipygian Christensen: Soro..is the 15th good for you?
[10:01] Lilith Ivory: normally sundays work better for me but both times work
[10:01] Soro Dagostino: 15th will work -- as I see it now.
[10:01] Callipygian Christensen: Sunday July 15th at 8 am then
[10:01] Lilith Ivory: ok
[10:02] Callipygian Christensen: thank you everyone!
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: I´m gonna post it in the calendar
[10:02] Callipygian Christensen: mation to adjourn please?
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: I second
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: or move or whatever
[10:02] Callipygian Christensen: all in favour?
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: aye
[10:03] Callipygian Christensen: Delia, Soro?
[10:04] Delia Lake: aye
[10:04] Soro Dagostino: aye
[10:04] Soro Dagostino: See you all soon again. . .
[10:04] Callipygian Christensen: we are adjourned
