Shep Titian: Calling meeting to order
Pip Torok: before this meeting starts I'd like to apologise to those present for being unavoidably absent since wednesday .. major hardware problem which has this minute been resolved
Shep Titian: All seen and approve agenda?
Pip Torok: approved
Beathan Vale: Man -- I feel like Senator Magnuson, who was once an hour late to a meeting and when asked about it said "Don't worry -- they can't start without me" -- But Maggie was an asshole
Beathan Vale: yes
Moonrise Azalee: Seen and approved
Shep Titian: pmsl
Shep Titian: And glad its sorted Pip
Pip Torok: thsnk you, Mme LRA
Moonrise Azalee: I am also. 
Shep Titian: Ok can we take it .. we have no speakers .. and no citizens here to express concerns
Moonrise Azalee: indeed, yes
Shep Titian: ok RA concerns .. any?
Pip Torok: none from here, thank you
Moonrise Azalee: not from myself.
Moonrise Azalee: not from myself.
Shep Titian: The price of alarm clocks maybe?
Pip Torok:
Shep Titian: 
Moonrise Azalee: I have children, no need for alarm clocks
Shep Titian: lol
Moonrise Azalee: 9am is just bloody early some days! LMAO
Beathan Vale: well -- I would like to see if we can figure out the problem raised regarding a garden in NFS -- on the forum -- but I'll ty to track that down myself
Pip Torok: (my have flown .. the sun wakes me:)
Moonrise Azalee: I did not read that
Shep Titian: Ok is this the HH parcel issue?
Moonrise Azalee: There are problems regarding a garden in NFS?
Shep Titian: If its the HH issue I know about it
Beathan Vale: some code issues -- sounds like Treb disapproved a garden or something
Pip Torok: my last info (wednesday) was that they had been sorted ...
Beathan Vale: OK -- good
Shep Titian: Was that HonestHearts plot?
Pip Torok: it was ...
Shep Titian: You can call it sorted Pip .. she lrft us!!
Moonrise Azalee: ah!
Shep Titian: left
Moonrise Azalee: Well then
Pip Torok bows respecfully!
Shep Titian: That was'nt good
Moonrise Azalee: I dont see this weeks agenda for the RA
Moonrise Azalee: I could have sworn I had it
Moonrise Azalee: I was looking at it earleir
Moonrise Azalee: could someone share?
Shep Titian: I put it in the box
Moonrise Azalee: i just see the SC one in there
Moonrise Azalee: thank you
Shep Titian: yw
Shep Titian: ok moving on
Moonrise Azalee nods
Shep Titian: Old business .. any thing you want brought back?
Pip Torok: no ...
Moonrise Azalee: not for me
Beathan Vale: no
Shep Titian: ok I take silence as a no
Shep Titian: oop
Pip Torok: no from me
Shep Titian: lol
Moonrise Azalee: I did say no.. .but I think im lagging
Shep Titian: learns patience 
Shep Titian: ok new business
Shep Titian: the Citizens Notification Bill
Moonrise Azalee: I think it is fair.
Moonrise Azalee: Even if people can't get into SL, they can journey over to the forum and read.
Pip Torok: does someone have the text for me to revise?
Shep Titian: I think we agreed last meeting .. that posting on the forum and a notice sent by group notificationwas sufficient notice
Moonrise Azalee: Though.... I don't know if I feel 14 days is as fair as perhaps... 30
Pip Torok: ah yes .. that had my agreement
Moonrise Azalee: Kind of like if you rent.. you get 30 days notice. but i realize that might always be doable.
Beathan Vale: 30 is a bit long -- we often need to move faster than that -- on the other hand, 14 days is only 1 meeting -- while 30 would emcompass 2
Shep Titian: What do we feel on the leeway time? .. should we make it 30 days?
Beathan Vale: Sure
Shep Titian: Pip?
Beathan Vale: move to amend 14 to 30
Moonrise Azalee: It allows someone more time if say, a change comes up that for some reason makes them no longer want to own land
Shep Titian: Second
Pip Torok: i'd feel 14 is more practical .. relaise that a term is 6 months long
Beathan Vale: I would also add an emergency clause, but I will get tot hat
Shep Titian: Yes Pip but some only come in once a onth
Moonrise Azalee: 14 more practical for the ones giving notice, but as a citizen, 30 is more fair.
Pip Torok: ok .....
Moonrise Azalee: k
Shep Titian: What did you want to add Beathan?
Beathan Vale: I would add "3. If the RA finds that a matter is urgent or an emergency, by 2/3 vote on motion, then this notice requirement would be waived for the purpose of emegency legislation."
Pip Torok: (wd be happy with that)
Shep Titian: SC won't like that
Shep Titian: who defines emergency?
Beathan Vale: yeah -- but the RA can define the terms of the notice law, and then regulate itself by requiring a 2/3 vote rather than mere approval
Moonrise Azalee: what sorts of examples are there of an emergency?
Pip Torok raises hand
Shep Titian: Pip
Beathan Vale: "emergency" or "urgency" is whatever the RA finds it to be on motion -- but the language is intended to guide the RA, but nor provide grounds for SC disapproval
Shep Titian: I think urgency is the word to choose
Pip Torok: i think we shd avoid the "emergency" trap and try for 30 days .. we can see how it works out in practice
Shep Titian: Beathan could I ask you to propse it .. as you are best at couching in the correct form?
Beathan Vale: I have moved to amend 14 to 30 -- second?
Moonrise Azalee: I second
Shep Titian: second
Pip Torok: second
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Shep Titian: Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: Is it possible to have a sticky topic in the Forums for Changes only? so that people can easily find it when checking in via mobile phone etc?
Moonrise Azalee: Announcements-Citizen Notices of Change or something?
Moonrise Azalee: Theres a lot of info and would be great for people to be able to quickly see any proposed changes.
Moonrise Azalee: Basically just a copy/paste of the notice sent in world
Shep Titian: Thats a good idea Razzy .. SC runs the forum we could always ask
Moonrise Azalee: Okay cool.
Beathan Vale: There is already a legislative discussion forum for citizens -- woudn't this be redundant?
Moonrise Azalee: Im trying to think of the average citizen
Moonrise Azalee: important changes should not be hard to find
Shep Titian: It might attract attention being new lol
Moonrise Azalee: they should be right up front and visible
Beathan Vale: OK -- I wonder if that can be done through flagging or something
Shep Titian: Are we ready to vote .. if so I'll propose
Moonrise Azalee: the forum has a huge wealth of info, and the average citizen might not know which category its in. A simple Citizen Notices of Change-Read Here , etc, or stickied into the forum would be simple.
Pip Torok: ready to vote
Moonrise Azalee: I am also
Beathan Vale: yes
Shep Titian: I always look art the date last post Razzy
Moonrise Azalee: You do
Moonrise Azalee: but not everyone is forum saavy
Shep Titian: yep
Moonrise Azalee: I run 4 forums
Pip Torok: !!
Moonrise Azalee: lol- things get lost in big discussions
Moonrise Azalee: so a one place stop, like a vitual Notice board for upcoming changes would be good
Moonrise Azalee: even myself, lookign at RA, or Leg, or Building info etc.. its all scaattered-
Moonrise Azalee: even myself, lookign at RA, or Leg, or Building info etc.. its all scaattered-
Moonrise Azalee: so, just a one stop section for all impedning notices of change...
Moonrise Azalee shuts up now
Moonrise Azalee: LOL
Pip Torok: may we see the motion we are about to vote on?
Shep Titian: I propose Agenda for RA meeting of Saturday 30th of June 2012 at 9a.m.
- Administrative Business
-- Review and approve agenda (5 min.)
-- Speakers on today?s agenda items? (5 min)
- Citizen Concerns (5 min)
- RA Members? Concerns (5 min)
- Old Business
- New Business .
Citizen Notification Bill
Preamble
Citizens have a right to expect some notification of changes that will affect them. Similarly, citizens also have a responsibility to check official channels and raise concer
Shep Titian: Ignore that
Shep Titian: I copied too much
Moonrise Azalee giggles
Shep Titian: 1. Posting information on the CDS forums and via in world notices will be considered to be sufficient notification to citizens of changes which affect them.
2. Citizens will be given at least 30 days notice of such changes.
Shep Titian: Damn it try again
Moonrise Azalee thought is worked
Shep Titian: I propose a Citizen Notification Bill .. being ... 1. Posting information on the CDS forums and via in world notices will be considered to be sufficient notification to citizens of changes which affect them.
2. Citizens will be given at least 14 days notice of such changes.
Shep Titian: Shhhhhhhh
Beathan Vale: I move we amend 14 to 30
Moonrise Azalee laughs
Shep Titian: Second
Shep Titian: ok .. breathes deeply .Second for the bill?
Moonrise Azalee: second
Shep Titian: Thanks .. vote
Moonrise Azalee grins
Pip Torok: aye
Moonrise Azalee: Aye
Beathan Vale: aye
Shep Titian: Aye
Shep Titian: Thank you Anna hjas a 7 day vote .. but the Bill carries
Moonrise Azalee: Groovy
Shep Titian: Sorry about my copy/pasting lol
Shep Titian: Ok no commission reports
Shep Titian: No exec to report .. I think he wanted a word .. nvm
Shep Titian: I have no announcements .. anyone else?
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Pip Torok: not from me
Shep Titian: Razzy
Moonrise Azalee: No real announcement, but just wanted to share that I want to work on a monthly citizens market to help promote our area. I have approached Treb about it and he liked the idea. right now its sort of a work in progress but it should be a lot of fun.
Moonrise Azalee: And a good way to display our lovely area and the talents of our Citizens
Shep Titian: Yes I've heard the bones of it Razzy and it sounds great
Pip Torok strongly agrees ...
Moonrise Azalee: Poetry reading, a few tables set up with a limit of items for people to display/sell, talent if wanted, music etc...just a monthly fun thing.
Moonrise Azalee: If it happens at the same time each month, eventually word gets round
Moonrise Azalee: and having it in an area like beachside in LA or something, draws attraction to an area that needs some landowners
Moonrise Azalee: and having it in an area like beachside in LA or something, draws attraction to an area that needs some landowners
Moonrise Azalee: and having it in an area like beachside in LA or something, draws attraction to an area that needs some landowners
Shep Titian: I'm also going to look into marketing .. as we have to lose some yellow .. but nothing to report yet
Shep Titian: ok next meeting?
Moonrise Azalee: agreed, one of the reasons i want to get the market going.. get people to visit and see how beautiful it is
Shep Titian: two weeks ok?
Moonrise Azalee: can we do 9:30 for the next meeting?
Pip Torok: ok by me
Moonrise Azalee: 9am my household is just begging for breakfast
Shep Titian: I'm ok with it .. how about Pip and Beathan?
Beathan Vale: That's fine
Pip Torok: 9.30 is fine .. tho i may turn up early! 
Moonrise Azalee: LOL
Shep Titian: cool 9.30 it is 14th July
Shep Titian: lol
Moonrise Azalee: hooray!
Moonrise Azalee: hooray!
Shep Titian: Meeting Adjourned
