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Re: last RA meeting 18 aug 2012

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Trebor,

Your statement that we should not refer to the topic of debate -- that we should liquidate the CDS and give the money to charity -- as a "proposal" makes no sense. A "proposal" is a "plan put forward for discussion." To be a plan, an idea merely has to have sufficient practical detail to be acted on if it is accepted -- distinguishing it from a talking point or theoretical idea. This topic of discussion definitely involved a plan that, if we chose, we could act on.

It might be fair to say that the proposal was not a serious proposal (that is, a proposal that the proponent actually wanted to enact). Without knowing who proposed it and why, I cannot assess whether it was a serious suggestion or merely offered for some other purpose (such as to increase involvement through controversy). I think Ranma's post was motivated by that -- and that she is legitimately concerned with whether someone seriously wants to end the CDS or not. Generally, unless something demonstrates the contrary, I am inclined to treat all such proposals as serious proposals and consider, accept or reject them on their merits.

That said, I now suspect that the proposal was not serious, but was offered with the ulterior motive of shocking people into increased participation. If so, then Ranma's response, including her tying it back to her perception (right or wrong) of past events is exactly what the proponent was seeking.

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Beathan,

While I don't disagree with your definition of the word "proposal" I do disagree with you that my not referring to the issue as a "proposal" makes no sense. Keep in mind not everyone in SL and specifically the CDS has English as their first language. To many the word "proposal" means something very formal where the words "discussion" or "talk" aren't quite so intimidating. It's really just a case of knowing your audience and that's not an insult directed at anyone in our community; we all bring to the CDS our RL experinces, backgrounds, education and other idiosyncracies.

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My question is who can decide to put down the CDS and give away the money to "charity"? The RA has the power to change the constitution with a vote of 4 out of 5.

The question bothers me on a number of different level. I am not at all trusting and see deceit by nature and have been the US Government since 79.

So the question remains who brought it up?

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Re: last RA meeting 18 aug 2012

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Trebor Warcliffe wrote:

Beathan,

While I don't disagree with your definition of the word "proposal" I do disagree with you that my not referring to the issue as a "proposal" makes no sense. Keep in mind not everyone in SL and specifically the CDS has English as their first language. To many the word "proposal" means something very formal where the words "discussion" or "talk" aren't quite so intimidating. It's really just a case of knowing your audience and that's not an insult directed at anyone in our community; we all bring to the CDS our RL experinces, backgrounds, education and other idiosyncracies.

Trebor

Trebor, I don't understand your point. You seem to be saying that we should use English imprecisely or incorrectly out of respect for CDS citizens who are not native English speakers. That makes even less sense to me than your original position on the word "proposal." In my experience, most CDS citizens who speak English as a second (or third, or fourth) language are fluent speakers and writers. Nonnative, fluent, English speakers generally use English vocabulary more correctly and more precisely than native speakers do. Therefore, far from showing them respect by sloppy English usage, I think we show respect by recognizing their achievement of full command of the language. Precise and correct usage actually reduces, rather than increases, the possibility of confusion and mistranslation.

Further, my experience is that when translation concerns cause problems with communication, the problem is minor and is easily addressed by a quick semantic aside defining and describing terms as meant. That is easier to do (indeed, it is only possible to do) when the words were precisely used in the first instance.

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Beathan,

Well apparently you don't interact with as many of our citizens as I do. Just saying. So let's end this senseless back and forth bickering and work on some productive things. I've spent this past weekend working about 15+ hours on setting up our newest Affiliate business. If you are a person who enjoys writing I'd be more than happy if you could write some human interest articles on the CDS that could be published in some of the more popular in-world publications. Or if you have any other ideas to spread the word about our wonderful community that would be great also. I thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

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Trebor Warcliffe wrote:

Beathan,

Well apparently you don't interact with as many of our citizens as I do. Just saying. So let's end this senseless back and forth bickering and work on some productive things. I've spent this past weekend working about 15+ hours on setting up our newest Affiliate business. If you are a person who enjoys writing I'd be more than happy if you could write some human interest articles on the CDS that could be published in some of the more popular in-world publications. Or if you have any other ideas to spread the word about our wonderful community that would be great also. I thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

Trebor

Would just like to know who holds the power to do the "dirty deed"? In a way it is an academic question, like can the congress vote to dissolve the Union or would it take another Continental Congress?

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Ranma,

Without digging into our Constitution and Code of Laws I believe it would require a 80% vote in the RA. If that happened than the Chancellor can enact his veto and/or the SC can also look into the matter. And last but not least in all reality the final decision to comply with the action or not would be in the hands of the Estate Owner.

I understand your concern but I honestly feel you're overreacting. The CDS has been around since 2004 and even though our current condition isn't the greatest, we are in no way on the brink of disaster. Honestly I don't know who made the suggestion but I have to agree with Beathan that it seems the purpose of the suggestion was to light a spark under people's arses. Whether that becomes a success is yet to be seen.

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