18 August 2012 RA Transcript

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Shep Titian: Calling the meeting to order
Shep Titian: Firstly do we all have the agenda and approve it?
Beathan Vale: move to approve
Pip Torok: second
Shep Titian: second
Shep Titian: lol vote aye
Beathan Vale: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: Speakers .. I am asking in advance for people to be patient
Shep Titian: I know things might get heated
Shep Titian: Trebor will you want to speak about Oktoberfest at all?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes please
Shep Titian: good
Shep Titian: ok any citizens concers other than that on the agenda?
Tanoujin Milestone keeps her mouth shut
Pip Torok:
Shep Titian: Silence .. ok RA concerns?
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: sorry, if I missed the 'wanting to speak on topics ' list -I will want to
Ranma Tardis: me too
Lilith Ivory: I might want also
Shep Titian: Ok on which subject?
Ranma Tardis: ending the experiment
Shep Titian: This is more speaking on projects such as Oktoberfest
Beathan Vale: I have a hunch that we will need to let a lot of people speak on that one
Shep Titian: The main feast will give everyone a chance
Callipygian Christensen: I will want to speak to that and probably to Chncellor's report
Pip Torok: a running forum debate, perhaps?
Shep Titian: We can make a good start Pip
Pip Torok: indeed
Shep Titian: I have a concern
Trebor Warcliffe: Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Shep Titian: that my fellow RA members .. those present excluded .. don't turn up
Shep Titian: Ok old business .. anything lurking I missed?
Shep Titian: ok .. now if you will allow me .. as I underestimated the turn out .. lets swop order .. Treb would you like the floor on Oktoberfest?
Trebor Warcliffe: Id like hte floor on the Executive Report
Trebor Warcliffe: which includes Oktoberfest
Shep Titian: Ok slapped wrist
Trebor Warcliffe: The view isnt bad from here lol
Trebor Warcliffe: Ok I'm glad everyone here could make it today.
Trebor Warcliffe: First order of business from me.
Trebor Warcliffe: I had to make an Executive decision the other day and eject and ban a citizen from our community.
Trebor Warcliffe: Turtlette666
Trebor Warcliffe: purchased a parcel in NFS outside city walls
Lilith Ivory: (Tartlette666)
Trebor Warcliffe: complaints were brought to my attention that she was walking through NFS as a Penis Avatar
Trebor Warcliffe: TY Lil
Lilith Ivory: yw
Trebor Warcliffe: She also had numerous penises erected on her property.
Trebor Warcliffe: I sent her a NC, which I will give all of you now.
Beathan Vale: ::sigh:: the return of penis griefing
Callipygian Christensen: Beathan, this was more 'penis as a decor accent' I think *grin*
Shep Titian: I wish I'd seen it
Trebor Warcliffe: I retunred all the penises and more appeared the next day
Lilith Ivory: I?ve to say buying land to grief a community has some style
Trebor Warcliffe: After another 24 hours with no response from her nad still more penises being erected I took executive action and ejected her and banned her
Trebor Warcliffe: Next topic
Trebor Warcliffe: Oktoberfest
Trebor Warcliffe: This year Oktoberfest will be from the 22nd to the 30th of September.
Trebor Warcliffe: I made an announcement in the CDS forums and sadly I havent gotten any feedback in the forums. I have been speaking/working with Lilith and Tor about some events we're working on but the overall input from citizens is almost nonexistent.
Trebor Warcliffe: So far we have planned an opening horse parade
Shep Titian: oooh
Trebor Warcliffe: A concert on 22nd (Trans Siberian Orchestra), a 2hour folk music DJ on Tuesday the 25th
Trebor Warcliffe: Another concert (Ramstein) on the 29th.
Shep Titian:
Trebor Warcliffe: And we're trying to set up a Ball on the closing day to celebrate both Oktoberfest and the CDS 8th birthday party.
Trebor Warcliffe: I cant stress the importance of having as many of our citizens as active as possibler in the planning and execution of this event.
Trebor Warcliffe: I would think that our government officials would be the first to raise their hand and contribute in whatever way they can.
Trebor Warcliffe: Im done for now thank you.
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Shep Titian: And thank you Treb
Trebor Warcliffe: ty
Callipygian Christensen: Trebor has notified me, as Dea of the SC, of the banning and I have a notice to the SC about it in progress.
Callipygian Christensen: done
Shep Titian: You feel there might be a problem with the banning Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: Not at all - I know I among others suggested it..
Shep Titian: Good
Callipygian Christensen: but there is reference to banning in the laws so the SC is required to address it at least
Shep Titian: okay .. If Razzy was here I would ask her to report next
Shep Titian: So moving on
Lilith Ivory: Hi Sudane
Sudane Erato: hi
Pip Torok: hi Sudane!
Soro Dagostino: Hello Sudane
Sudane Erato: hi hi
Shep Titian: A citizen put it to me that they felt CDS was more or less finished , that nothing of note was being done and in their opinion it should be dissolved and out reserves given to charity .. comments from RA first please
Shep Titian: Hi Sudane
Sudane Erato: hey
Pip Torok raises hand ...
Shep Titian: Pip
Callipygian Christensen: I would like to speak first to the shut down the experiment item, since I believe I also mentioned this in a pror RA transcript
Shep Titian: Noted Calli
Pip Torok: well there are times in every sim when things get slack ... thats no reason in itself to wind things up ...
Pip Torok: is there an iimmediate financial problem? .. I shd say no ...
Pip Torok: is democracy important in SL and RL rthese days ....
Pip Torok: Id say overwhelminglyn yes ...
Pip Torok: done
Shep Titian: Thank you Pip
Shep Titian: Beathan you wish to comment?
Beathan Vale: Yes
Beathan Vale: As I mentioned before the meeting -- I don't think the Constitution allows this step so even if the RA so voted, the SC would have grounds to invalidate on Constitutional grounds (although I don't want to speak to or predict the action of the SC)
Beathan Vale: Further,
Beathan Vale: as I mentioned before the meeting -- the CDS is not just an experiment in democracy, although we are that -- we are also a community and a set of institutions that have been created during our time in existence. These may continue to exist even if we end democracy - although I am not sure that any of them will continue if we cease as a community
Beathan Vale: So -- the question is -- are we still a community -- I think we are. As a community we have high points and low points -- strong community v periods of weakness, disengagement, etc. We might be in a weak period -- but we are still here -- today's turnout shows that.
Beathan Vale: There is a third issue
Beathan Vale: SL itself seems to be in strong decline. It is an old platform and is becoming increasingly antiquated and losing interest and membership
Beathan Vale: So -- even if we want to continue -- we may find that we can't really continue in SL
Beathan Vale: In such case, I would recommend looking for another platform, and I would support an exploratory committee to keep and eye out for such a thing.
Beathan Vale: I don't think that there is a content sandbox, rl MMO that is as good as SL.
Trebor Warcliffe raises hand and would like to speak after Calli
Shep Titian: Noted Treb
Beathan Vale: However, there is an upcoming traditional low fantasy game we might consider -- Embers of Caerus -- released in 2016 -- which is not a content sandbox, but is a social and (more importantly) a governemental sandbox, allowing communities in the game to develop self-governing communities and set laws. If we want to focus on the social sandbox we have here in an updated environment, that might be an option -- although the game aspects would probably turn off many of our citizens. Still, we should keep a weather eye out on this issue.
Beathan Vale: Done
Shep Titian: Thank you Bearthan
Shep Titian: open to floor .. Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: Thank you. I cannot speak to the concerns of the person who spoke privately with Shep but personally when I raised this topc there were a number of reasons. We were at an inquorate RA meeting, and discussion covered that, along with the level of disengagement of the citizenry..an ongoing discussion for 2 terms now as Trebor has struggled to find volunteers etc.
Callipygian Christensen: I quote myself here, from the RA transcript on the Forum of August 4th:

Callipygian Christensen: Callipygian Christensen: well , in a radical 'consider other points of view' vein - perhaps the question to ask the populace is 'is it time to convert to a 'regular' estate with e homeowners association in place of RA, and decide on a few good charities to receive the money
Rosie Gray: I agree that being here is pretty much the most important thing
Fern Leissa: We still have an old guard???
Beathan Vale: Well -- not sure about the "guard" part
Callipygian Christensen: if nothing else, that will actually get them out of the woodwork and up in arms

Callipygian Christensen: (there was a smiley after the up in arms comment
Shep Titian: My thoughts exactly and it was'nt based on you Calli .. I would have told you
Pip Torok raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: So, my positing that view was much as Shep has done in putting it on the agenda - what DO the citizens see as the future
Shep Titian: Pip after Treb
Trebor Warcliffe: I will pass to Pip for the moment.
Callipygian Christensen nods to Shep..just framing that it isn't such a radical thing really..just a motivator to get people *involved* in the discussion
Shep Titian: Hi Tor
Callipygian Christensen: done
Pip Torok: two points to stress:
Tor Karlsvalt: hi
Lilith Ivory: Hi Tor
Shep Titian: Pip
Pip Torok: one .. we live in extraordinary conomic times so the usual rules may not apply ..
Pip Torok: two .. IMO we should stress that we are NOT RP'ers anything but ...
Pip Torok: done
Shep Titian: Thx Pip
Shep Titian: Treb?
Trebor Warcliffe: Would anyone else like to speak before I do?
Trebor Warcliffe: Ranma?
Ranma Tardis: ty
Ranma Tardis: was not prepared to speak on this subject
Trebor Warcliffe: Fair enough
Shep Titian: I believe Tan wanted a word?
Tanoujin Milestone: thanks, no
Ranma Tardis: was at the beginning of the CDS and it was a fine start from diaster
Shep Titian: ok
Trebor Warcliffe: When Ranma is done I will speak
Ranma Tardis: came back to support the effort of a democratic government in sl
Ranma Tardis: ah while things are slow now there is still a community, do feel that the rules have become so complex it has weakened the community
Ranma Tardis: had to shift my Peace Inisitude over to Caledon, though like here am supporting in this case my friend
Ranma Tardis: will support the majority and wonder how this not know person wants our community to commit spepuku?
Ranma Tardis: lets hang toughter as a community, thank you
Shep Titian: ThaxRanma
Pip Torok: (agrees strongly)
Shep Titian: Treb?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes thank you.
Trebor Warcliffe: First off the person who made these comments wasn't me LOL.
Trebor Warcliffe: I dont know who it was but I believe hte comments were made out of frustration.
Trebor Warcliffe: It seems we have a lot of "talkers" but when it comes to getting things done there are few people available.
Trebor Warcliffe: SL is on a downside but I dont see them shutting down anytime soon. Studies have shown they will probably close the year down roughly 10% in population from the beginning of the year.
Trebor Warcliffe: I dont think I have anything else to say. The CDS will not grow and prosper off hte hard work of just a few individuals. We can get a lot more done with 50 active people instead of 5 active people. The choice is up to each and everyone who reads this post.
Trebor Warcliffe: DONE
Shep Titian: Thank you Trebor
Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
Tanoujin Milestone: Hello Spider
Pip Torok: hi!!
Tor Karlsvalt Raises hand
Shep Titian: I included this today .. expecting ven hoping to see a wave of outrage
Shep Titian: Tor
Spider22997 Upshaw: hello
Lilith Ivory: Hi Spider
Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
Tor Karlsvalt: I just want to point out that LL has just announced that they will make SL available via Steam
Tor Karlsvalt: This is an online gaming distriubutor.
Pip Torok: Steam?
Shep Titian: Oh joy
Pip Torok reacts with caution ...
Tor Karlsvalt: This might not occur for months, but we might see an upswing in ppl finding SL once it is seen on Steam
Trebor Warcliffe: Queen will be in concert todaty at 2pm SLT in LA and tomorrow Iron Maiden will be playing at 2pm at LA.
Pip Torok: oh joy!
Tor Karlsvalt: There might be a downside, but at least LL seems to making an effort to advertising SL better.
Shep Titian: Shush Pip .. lol
Trebor Warcliffe raises hand
Tor Karlsvalt: and I am against liquidation. Done
Shep Titian: Treb
Sudane Erato: raise hand
Shep Titian: Noted Sudane
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes thank you. I understand that Calli and Rosie will not be inworld during Oktoberfest but since I have some people here I need to know who will be available to help out with some of our events during the fest?
Trebor Warcliffe: Don't trip over yourselves.
Ranma Tardis: laughs what needs to be done?
Pip Torok: i will, trebor ... tho my eyes suffer from the RL dry-heat
Trebor Warcliffe: Honestly besides contributing to the planning and execution of the events the big thing we need is our citizens in attendance at these events to greet people and make the visitors feel welcomed.
Callipygian Christensen: (I will drink beer on the Left Bank in hounour of Octoberfest though!)
Shep Titian: Peeps
Trebor Warcliffe: Currently myself, Tor and Lil have been working on some ideas
Shep Titian: Sudane?
Trebor Warcliffe: And we're wide open to other's suggestions.
Trebor Warcliffe: DONE
Sudane Erato: i'd just like to say thtat Beathan's comments hit the spot for me
Shep Titian: Sudane you have the floor
Sudane Erato: his first comment was legal techie
Sudane Erato: so
Sudane Erato: that to me was not so significant
Sudane Erato: but comments 2 and 3, about the pahses of community
Sudane Erato: and about the future of SL
Sudane Erato: very well express to me what I feel our future is
Sudane Erato: CDS has gone thru huge cycles
Sudane Erato: and we are now in a quiet one
Sudane Erato: and I say... thank god for that
Tor Karlsvalt: hear! Hear
Sudane Erato: because now is the time that "nation-building" could really happen
Sudane Erato: i think it will... despite the obvious problems, and the eternal problems, we always have finding volunteerds
Trebor Warcliffe listens very intently
Sudane Erato: done
Shep Titian: Me rtoo
Pip Torok: hear hear
Trebor Warcliffe: Can you expand please Sudane
Sudane Erato: expand?... on...?
Shep Titian: Nation building
Sudane Erato: oh...
Pip Torok wonders whether a c onsidered statement within the Forum isnt a better vehicle ...
Sudane Erato: if we persist in some of the 'peaceful" efforts, such as what Trebor is doing... and i totally support his brow-beating... its essential
Sudane Erato: if we persist, now in times of relative peace... i think that the community can mature..
Sudane Erato: fundamental... i do not think that just because things are quiet, the community is stagnant
Sudane Erato: there has always been a difficulty getting projects going
Sudane Erato: now is no different
Sudane Erato: done again
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: With respect to Sudane , Beathan..everyone who speaks of bulding..
Callipygian Christensen: it doenst address that there is no 'wave of outrage' because 80 %of the poulace dont read the RA agenda..transcripts..
Lilith Ivory: wb Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: ty
Callipygian Christensen: or maybe even know or *care8 that RA meetings ahppen.
Sudane Erato: sounds like about the RL percentage too
Shep Titian: sorry on phone
Beathan Vale: CC -- the outrage will come if we do it -- and more so because people will be surprised having not read the transcripts
Tor Karlsvalt: true
Callipygian Christensen: If we - the global we- are to build, it can't happen easily if 8 out of ten citizens are totally apathetic
Callipygian Christensen: I dont have an answer to how to get them angaged..andi applaud and feel for Trebor..he's knocked himself senseless trying
Sudane Erato: i agree... Trebor is to be hugely commended
Sudane Erato: bravo!
Callipygian Christensen: but in honesty.and I include myself..if all we do is sit and *talk* about how its all possible, and dont DO anything..then it isnt possible
Trebor Warcliffe: exactly Calli
Callipygian Christensen: (and yes, I am often the devil's advocate in every group I belong to )
Pip Torok wonders what chance do people in general within SL have to express any sort of democracy or free-speech themselves...
Shep Titian: ack
Shep Titian: phone again
Spider22997 Upshaw: best thing to do is to organize a committee for each item of business you wish to accomplish, but i am new and maybe you already do that?
Soro Dagostino raises hand
Shep Titian: Soro?
Soro Dagostino: Across the spectrum of SL, there is a lot of talking going on.
Soro Dagostino: It is as to personal wants and desires, obtaining pleasure, making homes.
Soro Dagostino: Very few speak in hte public spectrum.
Soro Dagostino: it is not easy to learn and maintain.
Soro Dagostino: I think we should teach public speaking and help folk become part of governments.
Soro Dagostino: Done.
Shep Titian: Thank you
Pip Torok: (food for thought ... ty Soro)
Callipygian Christensenraises hand..could we acknowledge Spider's suggestion and address it a moment?
Shep Titian: Well that seems to be done with .. business as usual lol
Shep Titian: Sorry I must have missed that when on the phone
Shep Titian: Go ahead
Shep Titian: I see it
Callipygian Christensen: SPider, totally a good suggestion and the 'usual' way to do things, but the underlying issue is lack of involvement by a large number of citizens, for committees or anything else. That said, (and welcome!) if you want to get involved Trebor would love a volunteer
Spider22997 Upshaw: raises hand
Shep Titian: Spider?
Spider22997 Upshaw: yes,
Shep Titian: Go ahead
Trebor Warcliffe: Beathan can I post our chat in public finveterate asshole
Spider22997 Upshaw: first i am sorry for speaking out of turn, but i have worked in property manaemeny in RL and may be of help here
Shep Titian: TREB!
Trebor Warcliffe: Beathan can I post our chat in public? Maybe you'll have others who also feel I am an inveterate asshole
Spider22997 Upshaw: but having a committee is a good way to get things done
Spider22997 Upshaw: they gather the information and present to the board for approval or not
Trebor Warcliffe: ???
Shep Titian: We do have those Spider from time to time .. but as Calli says its hard getting folk to volunteer
Trebor Warcliffe: Cat got your tounge?
Shep Titian: Treb please don't fight
Trebor Warcliffe: Maybe I'll just post my side of the conversation. That isnt in violation of anything is it Shep?
Spider22997 Upshaw: and does someone have a list of what the board would like information on
Shep Titian: No Treb
Ranma Tardis: raises hand
Shep Titian: Your words are your own
Shep Titian: Ran?
Pip Torok: Spider, Trebor or Lilith wd be the best guide for that .. or tanoujin
Tanoujin Milestone: We have procedures, Spider. I am looking forward to see you involved
Ranma Tardis: we need to be a community of friends first and last
Callipygian Christensen: Spider - if you take a look at the Forums the postings give you a general idea of what's on the table for CDS in general
Spider22997 Upshaw: thank you, i also used to rent/sell land here in SL and may be able to help you with how you sell your land here
Ranma Tardis: our fighting each other is a big turn off
Ranma Tardis: coughs

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Callipygian Christensen: Trebor is the Chancellor and tasked with a lot of the 'make it happen'..so a combination of some reading and a chat with him might answer that
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes it cetainly is Ranma.
Shep Titian: Now that Spider is VERY interesting
Ranma Tardis: the thing is what sort of community do we want?
Shep Titian: Meet our new Realator
Ranma Tardis: am available on weekends but rl for me is busy
Tanoujin Milestone: Indeed. I say: welcome to know how and engagement
Trebor Warcliffe: A community where people actually participate and not sit on the sidelines and blow a bunch of hot air.
Ranma Tardis: other than democracy what do our residents want and expect?
Tanoujin Milestone shuts up again to give order a chance
Tor Karlsvalt:
Pip Torok: (British-based citizens please note .. Realator = Estate Agent ...)
Ranma Tardis: you have my suppot Trebor
Ranma Tardis: sighs
Sudane Erato: thx Pip
Shep Titian: Sorry Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: all ok
Shep Titian: Folks Tan has the floor
Tanoujin Milestone: i was done, lol
Shep Titian: ok then lol
Shep Titian: Well Exec report was incorporated into Oktoberfest
Shep Titian: And I have no announcements
Shep Titian: Next RA meeting .. Beathan Pip .. 2 weeks .. same time?
Pip Torok: ok for me ...
Shep Titian: cool
Callipygian Christensen: Shep
Callipygian Christensen: taht is the labour Day weekend in the US
Shep Titian: Ah ok
Callipygian Christensen: last holdiday of the summer..you might want to go to the following week if you want citizen and US RA member attendance
Shep Titian: Threec weeks then .. nothing urgent on
Pip Torok: again ok by me
Sudane Erato: oops... sorry, must leave. bye all
Pip Torok: bye Sudane!
Shep Titian: Byeee
Tanoujin Milestone: bye, Sudane
Tor Karlsvalt: bye Sudane
Ranma Tardis: waves
Soro Dagostino: goodbye Sudane
Shep Titian: Ok threeweeks September 8th at 9.30
Shep Titian: ok Pip?
Pip Torok: yup!
Shep Titian: ok Beathan?
Shep Titian: Flicks a paperclip at Beathan
Beathan Vale: SORRY -- distracted
Beathan Vale: yep
Shep Titian: Cool .. the move to adjopurn
Shep Titian: Move to adjourn
Pip Torok: seconded
Shep Titian: #vote aye
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: ok taking Beathan as given
Pip Torok: poke him again, mme LRA ...
Shep Titian: Adjopurned