15 Sept 2012 RA Transcript

[Patroklus Murakami]

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Summary [to follow]

[Patroklus Murakami]

Shep Titian: Ok lets get started
Shep Titian: Calling the nmeeting to order
Shep Titian: Do we all have and approve the agenda?
Moonrise Azalee: Yes
Anna Toussaint: yes
Spider22997 Upshaw: yes
Pip Torok: i have and if all have it i propose we accept it
Shep Titian: Yes will do .. thanks
Shep Titian: Hi Treb
Pip Torok: (anyone to secone me?)
Moonrise Azalee: Aye
Trebor Warcliffe: Hello all
Pip Torok: second
Anna Toussaint: second
Shep Titian: Aye
Pip Torok: aye ... (forestalling slightly)
Anna Toussaint: aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Shep Titian: Speakers .. Trebor will you be making a starement?
Shep Titian: Statement even
Trebor Warcliffe: I can make a quick statement, give everyone an update on our activities.
Shep Titian: Good .. Razzy any updates or calls for help you can talk about?
Moonrise Azalee: Well, I posted in the forum about the Citizen's Market, but felt that perhaps that should wait until Oktoberfest passes
Shep Titian: Ok ...
Moonrise Azalee: As that is sort of the big item right now
Shep Titian: Yes so Treb only you today
Shep Titian: Citizens concers .. any??
Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
Shep Titian: Trebor?
Trebor Warcliffe: How come I dont see anything on the agenda in reference to the Order of Anzere?
Sudane Erato: what is that?
Trebor Warcliffe: The honor we bestowed upon Moon Adamant last year.
Trebor Warcliffe: We're suppose to nominate someone to receive hte honor this year.
Trebor Warcliffe: It is held during Oktoberfest.
Trebor Warcliffe: And hello Sudane, I didnt see you over there. Good to see you
Shep Titian: I thought it shopuld be discussed in private to tell you thr truth
Trebor Warcliffe: And has it been?
Trebor Warcliffe: That was one of the main reasons we scheduled this meeting today.
Shep Titian: Not yet as I have'nt seen anyone online when I have been until now!
Trebor Warcliffe: I was under the assumption you were going to be talking with your fellow RA members during the week.
Shep Titian: I thought the end of this meeting might be an appropriate time
Shep Titian: I have'nt seen any of them
Trebor Warcliffe: I was hoping we'd have something agreed upon by the start of this meeting but I can agree that the end of the meeting will be ok.
Shep Titian: So how do you suggest I do that?
Moonrise Azalee: I'm never on til at least 9pm slt
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Trebor Warcliffe: email
Moonrise Azalee: doesnt coincide well with uk time
Trebor Warcliffe: forum posting
Trebor Warcliffe: private IM
Tor Karlsvalt has indicated consent to be recorded.
Shep Titian: Forum posting .. it is meant to be private!
Trebor Warcliffe: some of us get an email alert when a private IM is sent to us
Moonrise Azalee: I think we have each others email addys
Trebor Warcliffe: Forum posting to let all know you need to meet with them
Shep Titian: Its an award NOT a goverment thing
Trebor Warcliffe: You dont have to discuss the details
Trebor Warcliffe: Who makes the final decision Shep?
Trebor Warcliffe: The RA
Trebor Warcliffe: Whether its a government "thing" or not it is handled by the RA
Trebor Warcliffe: And we adjourned hte meeting last week stressing the importance of gettign this taken care of.
Shep Titian: Yes exactly
Anna Toussaint: Yup, so perhaps you should back off and quit complaining?
Callipygian Christensen waves her hand about a bit
Trebor Warcliffe: DONE
Shep Titian: You're flying so close to losing one of your biggest supporters right now
Shep Titian: How DARE you berrate me in public!!!
Trebor Warcliffe: I believe Calli had her hand raised.
Anna Toussaint: Treborm, that is the chairs call to make
Anna Toussaint: not yours
Trebor Warcliffe: Hi Tor, glad you could make it
Trebor Warcliffe: I was just bringing it to the chairs attention Anna, no harm meant thank you. Im glad to see you could make it today, thank you.
Anna Toussaint: I am offended for Shep at your tone
Shep Titian: Anna could you take over .. I'm needed elsewhere
Anna Toussaint: k
Shep Titian: I vote aye on the addition
Anna Toussaint: It will be a short meeting ... cause I have to go
Anna Toussaint: so, that was fun
Moonrise Azalee smiles
Anna Toussaint: any other speakers on today's agenda items?
Callipygian Christensen waves her hand
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: I wish to speak to the Order of Anzere discussion now or when appropriate
Anna Toussaint: go ahead
Callipygian Christensen: Moving away form everyone's righteous indignation and back to the actual issue - the act creating the Order is vague
Callipygian Christensen: there is no directio in how people are nominted..
Callipygian Christensen: only that RA decides
Anna Toussaint: ah
Anna Toussaint: well, have there been any nominations?
Callipygian Christensen: I agree tht it is a discussion that should be priavte and involve all RA members
Moonrise Azalee: This is the first ive heard of it - ive been away
Pip Torok: not as such Anna .. probably private deliberations ...
Callipygian Christensen: but I think RA should consider outlining an actual nomination process and identify some criteria they will use to evaluate nominees
Moonrise Azalee nods
Callipygian Christensen: that will avoid any suggestion that RA 'only consider friends' or any such..and also lays out criteria so that there may be a year that the ward is not awarded
Anna Toussaint: that is good advice ... perhaps after our private deliberations as to the present candidate, it should be on th agenda for a future mtg
Moonrise Azalee: I agree
Anna Toussaint: so noted ... I assume that shep will convene us for such a dicussion
Callipygian Christensen: Since the name of at least one nominee has been stated openly at the last RA meeting, I think 'we' being the global we that I thiink Treb must be referring to, should now expect that RA will discuss, decide and notify the chancellor of a need for an awards ceremonly at Octoberfest
Anna Toussaint: any further comments? Citizen's concerns?
Tor Karlsvalt: brb
Callipygian Christensen: done
Anna Toussaint: as you have said, it should be in private, which we do not have at this time
Anna Toussaint: unfortunately
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: yes Anna - I was just finishing thethought, and pointing out that there is a time concern
Anna Toussaint: Razzy?
Anna Toussaint:
Moonrise Azalee: I just have an RA member concern question.. two actually, may I bring them up?
Anna Toussaint: go ahead
Moonrise Azalee: 1) I noticed that the document link in the About Land/Covenant tab is broken.
Anna Toussaint: ah.
Moonrise Azalee: 2) wondering if there is something written somewhere about having purchased but empty parcels - meaning are there rules about having a parcel and leaving it empty, espcially as it pertains to city areas
Anna Toussaint: anything else?
Moonrise Azalee: nope
Anna Toussaint:
Anna Toussaint: anyone care to comment on her comments?
Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
Anna Toussaint: Treb?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Razzy was the link on the web portal?
Pip Torok: yes .. 1st to identify present instances ...
Moonrise Azalee: No, in the About Land whn you click on it
Moonrise Azalee: Land Fees I believe
Trebor Warcliffe: Im not understanding what you're asking than. I don't believe there is a link in the About Land tab.
Moonrise Azalee: World, about land, covenant, a web address for a google document that has land fees
Trebor Warcliffe: The sale price is in the About Land tab and the tier information is in the Hippo sign.
Trebor Warcliffe: Ok ty
Trebor Warcliffe: I will look into that
Moonrise Azalee: Tier fees for each CDS parcel are listed here https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl= ... utput=html. Responsibility for monthly fees continues until a new owner claims or you officially abandon the property.
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Sudane Erato: oh... i see it... its gotten truncated
Moonrise Azalee grins
Moonrise Azalee: yes.
Anna Toussaint: ok ... how about her second question?
Pip Torok: i have commednted already ...
Moonrise Azalee: I missed that I think Pip, could you repeat
Anna Toussaint: I didn't catch it either
Pip Torok: " yes .. 1st to identify present instances ..."
Trebor Warcliffe: I dont have an answer immediately available but I certainly am not against people owning land just for the sake of owning land considering out state of affairs. For some its a way to help fill the coffers.
Moonrise Azalee: I agree-but having many empty shops just looks bad
Moonrise Azalee: is it so hard to place a chair or flowers or picture?
Pip Torok: i take it were NOT referring to prim-farms od course
Trebor Warcliffe: Well that is something I am working on
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: thanks Anna - empty parcels inNFS inside the city walls are a covenant contravention
Anna Toussaint: thank you
Callipygian Christensen: while I see the point of 'we need people so let be flexible' that poses problems down the road
Moonrise Azalee: Well, I realize there are homes, builds.. but more meaning totally empty buildings and market stalls. It just gives a Ghost Town impression and was wondering if there was a rule about that
Moonrise Azalee nods
Callipygian Christensen: because if X and Y can have empty prcels, or beehives, or whatever..then you should just toss that part of the covenant
Trebor Warcliffe: Razzy did you read about my efforts to bring in new business into the CDS?
Moonrise Azalee: Is that covenant an NFS only? or is that in CN as well?
Pip Torok: apart from the covenant .. no rule as I understand it
Anna Toussaint: Calli? are you done?
Moonrise Azalee apologizes for speaking out of turn
Callipygian Christensen: one quick addendum..if Razzy means the fachwerks that are empty, I am not sure if covenant or law says they must look occupied done
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Anna Toussaint: Razzy asked if it were in the covenant of CN?
Anna Toussaint: anybody know?
Anna Toussaint: without pulling it up, that is?
Callipygian Christensen: which..that parcels have a build or that the build be 'in use'?
Trebor Warcliffe: Not at the moment but the covenents can be found in the About Land tabs
Callipygian Christensen: I think CN has no requirement
Sudane Erato: i'm reading it now... don't see any mention of it
Moonrise Azalee has read through but saw nothing about it
Anna Toussaint: the first ... parcels have a build
Anna Toussaint: Thanks, Sidane
Anna Toussaint: Sudane
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Anna Toussaint: yes?
Moonrise Azalee: I will bring this up on the forums when they are back up
Anna Toussaint: sounds good
Pip Torok: good idea!
Anna Toussaint: shall we move along?
Moonrise Azalee: yes
Anna Toussaint: k ... how about the amendment? the link in the agenda doesn't work
Moonrise Azalee: This is the one from the forum - about private land sales?
Moonrise Azalee: 'is this'
Anna Toussaint: Yes
Moonrise Azalee: Fresh in my mind, I just read it before the site went down
Anna Toussaint: uh oh
Anna Toussaint: the forum is down
Anna Toussaint: does anybody have it on a notecard to pass around?
Callipygian Christensen: I am accessing the Forum
Sudane Erato: the forum is up for me
Anna Toussaint: good
Moonrise Azalee: ahh, its back
Pip Torok: great!
Anna Toussaint: can someone put up a url in chat?
Pip Torok: its still down for me ...
Moonrise Azalee: propagation takes time
Anna Toussaint: can you post a url in chat, Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: im just trying to find the actual thread... just as ec
Anna Toussaint:
Spider22997 Upshaw: http://forums.slcds.info/index.php
Trebor Warcliffe: I have noticed sometimes using Internet Explorer I cant access the forums but have no problems accessing it when i use Google Chrome. Just a thought.
Moonrise Azalee: I see BEathan has requested a 7 day vote - he was unable to log in this mornning
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Moonrise Azalee: I can't find the actual thread.. lol which section was he in
Moonrise Azalee: i mean 'it'
Callipygian Christensen: general discussion request for covenant change or something like that
Anna Toussaint: I can't find it ...
Moonrise Azalee: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3892
Sudane Erato: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3892
Moonrise Azalee: there we go
Anna Toussaint: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3892
Anna Toussaint: oops
Anna Toussaint:
Anna Toussaint: ok
Sudane Erato:
Anna Toussaint: does someone want to move we adopt it so we can discuss?
Pip Torok: i move the amenment as written by Tanoujin and amended by Sudane
Moonrise Azalee: i second that
Moonrise Azalee grins
Anna Toussaint: ok
Anna Toussaint: any comments?
Pip Torok: only that it seems to me straightforward .. both the original and the amendment
Sudane Erato: raise hand
Anna Toussaint: Sudane?
Sudane Erato: just to note that Shep seems to object to it rather fervently..
Sudane Erato: so
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Sudane Erato: if we are to go in that direction... it would be an executive matter
Sudane Erato: the ACTION of the ammendment would not change
Sudane Erato: DONE
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Anna Toussaint: Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: Shep did say, upon departing this morning "I vote aye on the addition"
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Anna Toussaint: she did
Anna Toussaint: that is true
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Pip Torok: thats right ...
Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: I have to point out that the amendment in Shep's agenda is not identical to the forum items
Anna Toussaint: I cannot bring it up, for some reason
Moonrise Azalee: IT doesnt work for me either
Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: so she was saying aye to her own wording I am guessing..and if you are voting on this it should be cler *what* the motion is..it would be best to post the actual text here in chat
Pip Torok agrees with Calli
Anna Toussaint: I agree with Calli as well
Anna Toussaint: perhaps there should be a motion to table?
Moonrise Azalee: I just asked her for it, if she has the notecard
Moonrise Azalee: are you able to see what she has Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: Your status as citizen in this community is dependent on your making regular payment of the monthly fee for this land, which will be reclaimed by the community if you do not make this payment. Tier fees for each CDS parcel are listed here. Responsibility for monthly fees continues until a new owner claims or you officially abandon the property.
I propose adding these words * * to the above section of the property covenant
* Your rights to sell the property are revoked once tier is in arrears. *
Our laws already cover us for reclaiming the land .. but some wanted a few words of clarification
Anna Toussaint: so this is a new motion entirely
Callipygian Christensen: thtis the text shown in today's agenda
Anna Toussaint: hmmm
Anna Toussaint: the motion was on the text in the forum
Anna Toussaint: that is what is before us
Moonrise Azalee: For what it is worth, I do agree with her wording.
Anna Toussaint: and what Shep left her vote on
Pip Torok: does this "revised" version contain the spirit of Sudanes amendment?
Sudane Erato: my ammendment was only to omit text that is no longer relevant
Anna Toussaint: we have a bill on the floor that is the text that is in forum
Pip Torok: ok then I too agree on the wording in the agenda
Moonrise Azalee: ""It is your responsibility to inform the treasurer of changes in ownership." is the text you are referring to Sudane?
Sudane Erato: yes... that shpould be omitted as no longer relevant
Anna Toussaint: we have motion on the floor ... we can propose a substitute motion and vote on it
Anna Toussaint: it would have Shep's wording and Sudane's amendment
Callipygian Christensen: this is the original proposed addition in the FOrum : Your right to sell land privately expires as soon as you are in arrears of your monthly fees for the parcel in question. The community may reclaim such a property without notice at the first opportunity.
Anna Toussaint: is there a motion to substitute?
Pip Torok: i move the substitution
Moonrise Azalee: I move to substitute as expressed here
Pip Torok: second
Callipygian Christensen: then Sudane added also delete: It is your responsibility to inform the treasurer of changes in ownership.
Anna Toussaint: all in favor of substituting the shep motion for the one on the floor, say aye
Moonrise Azalee: Aye
Pip Torok: aye
Anna Toussaint: the chair votes aye
Anna Toussaint: it is subsity=uted
Anna Toussaint: now is there any discussion of that motion?
Anna Toussaint: are we ready to vote?
Pip Torok: yes...
Moonrise Azalee: yes
Anna Toussaint: all in favor say "aye"
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Anna Toussaint: the chair votes aye
Anna Toussaint: as does the other chair
Anna Toussaint: motion carries
Moonrise Azalee smiles
Pip Torok: have we covered Sudanes deletion?
Anna Toussaint: yes
Sudane Erato: so is that final result an actual covenant change?
Pip Torok: good .. just checking, Mme LRA
Anna Toussaint: the substitute motion had shep's wording and Sudane's amendfment
Anna Toussaint: yes
Sudane Erato: if so I will do that too... as well as fix the link
Anna Toussaint: kk
Moonrise Azalee: great
Anna Toussaint: sounds good
Anna Toussaint: thanks, Sudane
Pip Torok: one more hole plugged!
Anna Toussaint: hehe
Anna Toussaint: Razzy? any news on the market?
Moonrise Azalee: no. I will bring it up for discussion in the Forum, but right now Oktoberfest is the focus and the Citizens Market conflicts. I did touch on it in the Amputate LA thread
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Anna Toussaint: Any commission reports?
Trebor Warcliffe: No just a short Executive Report
Anna Toussaint: Executive Report, Treb?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes
Trebor Warcliffe: TY
Trebor Warcliffe: Razzy the issue you brought up earlier today is something I've actually began working on.
Moonrise Azalee nods
Trebor Warcliffe: The CDS is bringing in affiliate businesses with all revenue going to the CDS.
Trebor Warcliffe: Currently I have almost completed the set up of an official Alli & Ali Hair Affiliate business
Trebor Warcliffe: The CDS gets 25% on all sales
Trebor Warcliffe: I've set the business up on the first and second floors of 4 of the insula parcels
Moonrise Azalee: That's wonderful. I have only begun catching up on everything. but I did notice the Hair shop, fantastic.
Trebor Warcliffe: We have 366 Hair Vendors up and running
Anna Toussaint: how have sales been so far?
Trebor Warcliffe: Now I have to do the About Land description and marketplace advertsiing

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Trebor Warcliffe: So far 2 sales, I have not started promoting the store yet becyuase I want evcerything in place
Anna Toussaint: of course
Trebor Warcliffe: Oktoberfest
Trebor Warcliffe: We have a GREAT line up this year
Trebor Warcliffe: Our last confirmation is Noma Falta
Trebor Warcliffe: on the 27th at 1pm SLT
Trebor Warcliffe: I've had no one inquire about stalls in the mrketplace
Trebor Warcliffe: Please touch the Oktoberfest sign in the Kiosks for the latest Notecard for teh fest.
Trebor Warcliffe: Of course I'd love to see as many of our citizens as possible in attendance
Anna Toussaint: I recall that Lilith, I think, used to set up the market ... am I wrong, Tor?
Trebor Warcliffe: Im done with my report, thank you.
Trebor Warcliffe: I have to leave for now, RL calls
Trebor Warcliffe: Take care all
Anna Toussaint: ok
Pip Torok: u2 treb
Moonrise Azalee: By treb
Anna Toussaint: any general announcements?
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: I was away for just over a week and in the 9 days inclduing that time, up til today, there have been 48 forum registrations
Anna Toussaint: holy guacamole
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Anna Toussaint: are you finished, Calli?
Pip Torok hopes that most were genuine
Callipygian Christensen: most of these are not valid ones, so I will be deleting a lot. If you know of someone who registered and has not been activated yet, have them IM me and include the name they used to register
Moonrise Azalee puts hands down -forum bots was my question
Anna Toussaint: ok
Callipygian Christensen: that way I can be sure not to delete anyone who actually is in CDS and wants to join.
Anna Toussaint: anything else?
Callipygian Christensen: second - there is an SC meeting tomorrrow morning - agenda posted in owrld and in forums
Callipygian Christensen: done
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Anna Toussaint: any other announcements?
Anna Toussaint: next RA meeting same time, same place two weeks hence? on the 29th?
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Anna Toussaint: Tor?
Tor Karlsvalt: Just want to say we have Noma Falta for 09/27 at 1 PM SLT
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Moonrise Azalee KNOWS she will be in attendance
Tor Karlsvalt: That is an addition to the Fest scheule
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Anna Toussaint: next RA meeting?
Moonrise Azalee: AGreed
Pip Torok: agreed
Moonrise Azalee: same bat time, same bat place, 2 weeks
Anna Toussaint: is that during Oktobetrfest?
Anna Toussaint:
Tor Karlsvalt: yes
Moonrise Azalee: yeppers
Tor Karlsvalt: best 1st week in Oct
Anna Toussaint: what is that date?
Moonrise Azalee: 29th
Anna Toussaint: no, the first week in Oct?
Tor Karlsvalt: 10/06
Anna Toussaint: no, it would be, like the 5th
Sudane Erato: sorry... must run... thx
Tor Karlsvalt: Oct 1st is a monday
Pip Torok: bye sudane
Anna Toussaint: how about the first saturday in Oct, the 5th, same time, same place?
Callipygian Christensen: OH!
Moonrise Azalee: For our next RA meeting?
Pip Torok: fine by me
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand again
Anna Toussaint: reason being Oktoberfest
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Tor Karlsvalt: Oct 5 is Friday
Anna Toussaint: ok the 6th then
Anna Toussaint: oops
Moonrise Azalee: Okay
Anna Toussaint: ok
Callipygian Christensen: little bit of early warning here re: the 18th RA
Pip Torok: "oops" ok too ...
Callipygian Christensen: Qualification deadline to run for office : 12 noon SLT October 2 (census generated on this date by Sudane)
Qualification deadline for right to vote: 12 noon SLT October 12 (census generated on this date by Sudane)
Anna Toussaint: next meeting is octyober 6th
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Anna Toussaint: thanks Calli
Tor Karlsvalt looks for oops on the calendar.
Moonrise Azalee laughs
Anna Toussaint: so, it will be, like, our last meeting
Callipygian Christensen: no anna
Callipygian Christensen: elections are not until November
Anna Toussaint: oh, shit
Moonrise Azalee: LMAO
Tor Karlsvalt:
Anna Toussaint: well, next meeting is Oct 6 9:30 SLT right here in river city
Anna Toussaint: motion to adjourn
Pip Torok crosses himself ....
Moonrise Azalee laughs
Pip Torok: seconded
Anna Toussaint: was that a motion
Moonrise Azalee: LOL
Anna Toussaint: or has Razzy turned into a vampire/
Anna Toussaint: all in favor
Moonrise Azalee giggles
Moonrise Azalee: Aye
Callipygian Christensen: RL calls
Pip Torok: aye
Anna Toussaint: say aye
Anna Toussaint: aye
Tor Karlsvalt: woot
Spider22997 Upshaw: aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Anna Toussaint: bye,everyone