Bagheera Kristan: Not today, no
Lilith Ivory: Hi Tan 
Moonrise Azalee: she just logged on
Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Tan!
Moonrise Azalee: waves at Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: my apologies
Shep Titian: Aha
Bagheera Kristan: Hi Tan
Shep Titian: Hi Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: hi Razzy
Shep Titian: Agenda in the box
Moonrise Azalee: Hi
Moonrise Azalee: grins
Shep Titian: Ok
Shep Titian: All approve the agenda?
Bagheera Kristan: aye
Tanoujin Milestone: yes, I do
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Shep Titian: Good
Shep Titian: Speakers on todays items .. Tan will speak on the amencment idea
Tanoujin Milestone: yes, ty
Shep Titian: Ok any citizens concerns?
Shep Titian: Thats like that bit in a wedding
Shep Titian: ok
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Shep Titian: RA any concerns?
Callipygian Christensen: /mr raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: my SL is iffy so I may have missed it..did a notice go out that the meeting is happening now?
Tanoujin Milestone: o_O
Shep Titian: Ah no it did'nt .. I sent one last night
Lilith Ivory: I did not get one too
Shep Titian: But can send another
Callipygian Christensen: I think it helps..people forget from last night..heck..I can forget within a few hours lol
Tanoujin Milestone: errmmm, yeees, possible 
Lilith IvoryLilith Ivory smiles and nods
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Bagheera Kristan: or I can wait
Shep Titian: Go ahead bags ,,, this thing cleared itself wen I added a LM
Bagheera Kristan: okay, I wanted to give an update on the chariot races I held
Tanoujin Milestone:
Bagheera Kristan: I held them a couple weeks ago in Locus Amoenus with the underlying intent to draw new people here
Bagheera Kristan: I spammed my own friends list - LOL - so they showed up, but a couple of them had never been to CDS and one of them remarked how pretty Locus Amoenus is...
Bagheera Kristan: she is a blogger, she helps promote my shop, and she volunteered to also promote LA
Bagheera Kristan: on her own initiatve
Bagheera Kristan: we also got two totally new people who found us from the Second Life calendar
Bagheera Kristan: so, although no one actually completed a race - LOL - I felt it was a success and intend to do more, also, on a side note
Tanoujin Milestone: fantastic!
Bagheera Kristan: I want to encourage people to put events happening in CDS onto the calendar at secondlife.com
Bagheera Kristan: this meeting, would be a good example of something that should be on there
Bagheera Kristan: okay, done
Moonrise Azalee: nods
Shep Titian: Would you like to add them to it Bags?
Shep Titian: Its a good idea
Bagheera Kristan: I would be happy to
Shep Titian: ) excellent .. then in the future please do
Bagheera Kristan: okay, great! I will. Thank you
Shep Titian: Ok moving on .. no old business this time
Shep Titian: So New business
Shep Titian: All we have today are the beginnings of ideas .. but beginn9ing with an amendment
Shep Titian: Tan are you ready?
Tanoujin Milestone: yes, thank you
Tanoujin Milestone: my apologies again, i have stolen your time
Tanoujin Milestone: I will try to make it good. i have a little speech ready
Tanoujin Milestone: i suggest i tell you what i think and we postpone discussion to the forums,
Tanoujin Milestone: are you all fine with that?
Shep Titian: Go ahead
Tanoujin Milestone: ty
Bagheera Kristan:
Tanoujin Milestone: let me give you short history of the Citizen Notification Act
Moonrise Azalee: nods
Tanoujin Milestone: The Dean requested the RA
1. to rule on timing when new laws come into effect
2. To review NL4-26 Public Information Act
This was discussed at RA 16 Jun 2012
Tanoujin Milestone: Pat posted a straw man proposal from 27 Jun 2012
Tanoujin Milestone: with a preamble
Tanoujin Milestone: :
Tanoujin Milestone: Preamble
Citizens have a right to expect some notification of changes that will affect them. Similarly, citizens also have a responsibility to check official channels and raise concerns about changes which will affect them in a timely fashion. This Act sets out the expectations for both Government branches and citizens.
Tanoujin Milestone: well
Tanoujin Milestone: on 30 Jun 2013 the RA amended the time frame to 30d, accidentally left out the preamble and passed it as CDSL17-01. Razzy suggested to improve accessibility by using the portal too.
Tanoujin Milestone: are you still with me?
Shep Titian: Yes
Bagheera Kristan: yes
Tanoujin Milestone: ty
Tanoujin Milestone: Gwyn critzised the missing preamble on the forums thread.
Tanoujin Milestone: On 14 Jul 2012 at a inquorate meeting the LRA pointed to the cause of the legislation: it was CDSL16-03 Citizen Establishment Act section 3 which declares parcels deeded to private groups illegal.
Tanoujin Milestone: that took us into trouble..hence the law
Tanoujin Milestone: On 4 Aug 2012 the RA passed two amendments to the law:
3. This Act shall not apply to notice of meetings provided that any action taken at the meeting is ineffective for thirty days under this Act to allow citizen comment and requests for revision
4. This Act shall apply only to general, public actions, and not to private actions (such as covenant enforcement and foreclosure for not paying tier)
Tanoujin Milestone: sigh
Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, it passed, and again, without preamble. The amendments were not filed to the code of law.
Tanoujin Milestone: A short personal passage. I have not been archivist then, and when I became archivist, I did not volunteer to update the forum. That was accepted. I think there is no law forcing me to do it. Looks like I can do whatever I see fit.
Tanoujin Milestone: But on the other hand, what are the consequences? Okay, I have asked the former archivist to continue to post to the portal. He did not do it. Well. I will ask the designated guild master to give me a class. And I will post that darn amendments.
Tanoujin Milestone:
Tanoujin Milestone: But my recommendation would be:
Tanoujin Milestone: wipe the #3 and #4 and put Pat's preamble on top. Please consider until next time, and let us discuss it in-between on the forums.
Tanoujin Milestone: But let us have a look at the topic announced in the agenda now: I suggested we amend the Citizen Information Act. So, everything I said before looks a bit off topic. Really?
Tanoujin Milestone: If the Citizen Information Act was about informing the citizens, as the title suggests, it would not be off topic. But in fact: it is. What is the Citizen Information Act?
Tanoujin Milestone: It is NL5-15, stating it was the EO's duty to publish a citizen list once per month. Once per month! Are you aware you have to check 220 parcels inworld to meet that requirement?
Tanoujin Milestone:
Tanoujin Milestone: are you with me?
Bagheera Kristan: yes
Tanoujin Milestone: ty
Tanoujin Milestone: I suggest we repeal NL5-15, keeping in mind our names are public knowledge. Next time? Discussion on forums?
Razzy: yes
Tanoujin Milestone: But that is not what the Dean asked for on 16 Jun 2012! She asked to review the Public Information act. That is CDSL13-01. That law establishes a public information team. That team deals with calendars, event notes, inworld kiosks, magazines, handouts, all regarding to actions, policies and history of the government, and the chancellor responsible to keep it current "at all times".
Tanoujin Milestone:
Tanoujin Milestone: sorry
Tanoujin Milestone: no, it is the wrong law.
Tanoujin Milestone: We wanted to talk about NL4-26 Public Information Act. That introduces the role of the PIO. We are having no PIO at the moment. We will not pay 1000 L$ to her. And we will not let the chair of a private organization appoint her, right? The PIO, btw, is responsible for a public relation campaign.
Tanoujin Milestone: okay... three statements and I am done
Tanoujin Milestone: 1. The principle of publicity and the scattered single requirements of notification are not sufficient. We need a central law on information policy which provides a basic framework of requirements and criteria, avoiding the mistake to get lost in outdating technical and personal details.
Tanoujin Milestone: 2. What we need now is a panorama of all legislation connected to the public information issue and the current practice, which could be improved using state of the art technology. Again, it has to be doable and enforceable on the executive level, let us listen to people who are at home in the technical aspects.
Shep Titian: WOW
Tanoujin Milestone: 3. Information is the act to transmit content in order to have an effect. The community handles information to realize obligations and goals, to meet fundamental needs of social coexistence and to use it as an instrument of power and organization.
Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe
Tanoujin Milestone: Let us find out what the real limitations are regarding effort, proportionality, protection of data, exceptions and absorbing capacity of the target group. And let us call a spade a spade in the future.
Tanoujin Milestone: Thanks for your attention.I am looking forward to a lively forums discussion
Tanoujin Milestone: done
Bagheera Kristan: much to think about, thank you Tan
Shep Titian: Thank you Tan ... I think
Bagheera Kristan: LOL !
Tanoujin Milestone: thank you!
Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Ok well that is going to be interestring .. and my own view in reaction is scrub what exists and get it right .. then leave it alone
Shep Titian: Calli please
Callipygian Christensen: I think I am the dean in question there so just a couple of things - while I may have specified and law, I dont recall doing so..
Tanoujin Milestone: well, it is on the record
Callipygian Christensen: what I did ask was that something be put in place to avoid having the Chancellor required to send out 120 notecards asking citizens to comply with a law, in case they dont bother reading forums or notices
Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: that would still be my main concern, as a citizen, that the Cancellor or anyone else not bear the burden of responsibility that wach citizen should carry for themself
Shep Titian: After Calli Tor
Callipygian Christensen: so that is my only comment..whatever you change or create, please ensure that is in place
Callipygian Christensen: done
Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
Tor Karlsvalt: a couple of things
Tor Karlsvalt: In the past with hippo rollout the RA
Tor Karlsvalt: asked that the Exec notify all citizens
Tor Karlsvalt: this was done via the forum and notices and posters near tier box temples.
Tor Karlsvalt: then the effective date was in the future to allow all to be notified.
Tor Karlsvalt: I might add that we still had problems.
Tor Karlsvalt: second
Tor Karlsvalt: Group notices are about the only method we know is common to all citizens
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Tor Karlsvalt: Even there however, the new viewers make these less effective
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Shep Titian: I agree with you there Tor
Shep Titian: and thanks
Tor Karlsvalt: shure
Tor Karlsvalt: sure*
Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen has to be afk due to the dinner thing
Tanoujin Milestone: good appetite, Calli
Shep Titian: Enjoy
Tor Karlsvalt: ok callie
Bagheera Kristan: *raises hand higher
Shep Titian: Ok well Tan could you start a seperate thread in the forum on the subject ?
Shep Titian: Sorry Bags
Tanoujin Milestone: yes Ma'm
Shep Titian: Go ahead hun
Bagheera Kristan: just a thought - the one thing citizens have
Bagheera Kristan: is they have to pay tier. In real life, when I pay my HOA, I pick up the HOA newsletter, would it be feasible for paying tier to result in receiving a notecard and/or...
Bagheera Kristan: one weakness with "signs" is they are graphics, which mean if they haven' rezzed, you dn't know what you are missing
Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
Bagheera Kristan: but a box that distributes notecards and everyone knows to touch it would a) keep things in world and b) not be missed
Shep Titian: I don't know the hippo posibilities
Bagheera Kristan: just a thought, i will take the rest to the forums
Tanoujin Milestone:
Shep Titian: Yes cool thanks ..
Bagheera Kristan: ty
Shep Titian: Ok moving on ...
Shep Titian: If we are considering changes to LA .. should we take the opportunity to clean up bits on all the sims
Shep Titian: There are pathways that lead only to a sim edge on the mountain
Bagheera Kristan: ah, residual from AA, probably. I cleaned up some of that in CN
Shep Titian: There are old insula for sale with 2 prims available
Razzy nods
Tanoujin Milestone: oh, wow
Shep Titian: No one is going to buy them
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Shep Titian: Bags
Bagheera Kristan: I would think the thing to do mgiht not be "one big clean up" but to encourage people to speak out when they notice some of the things like you have mentioned and we can fix them as we discover their existence?
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: Yes I agree .. I wanted to test people's appetite for the job
Bagheera Kristan: okay, yes, done
Shep Titian: Some are VERY sentimental
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
Tor Karlsvalt: I sort of agree with Bags
Tor Karlsvalt: at the moment we have already started
Tor Karlsvalt: I needed a house for the cardo as a prior owner deleted it and I could not get the copy from Jon
Tor Karlsvalt: Tan was good to commission Lil to build two new houses for the Cardo and donate them to the CDS
Shep Titian: Thats cool
Tor Karlsvalt: We could follow a similar pattern, however I agree we have to be sensitive to the traditional look of CN
Shep Titian: I did'nt know
Shep Titian: We maybe should know
Tor Karlsvalt: I also think we can work on that road you referenced.
Shep Titian: Yes that would be good
Tor Karlsvalt: However we are a bit extended with the Schloss and proBably LA
Tor Karlsvalt: but the road thing, might be minimal and truly would give NFS some prims
Shep Titian: Yes ... that would
Tor Karlsvalt: then Rosie myself and Tan have been deprimming where we could
Tor Karlsvalt: the soccer field was reduced by more than 20 prims.
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Shep Titian: THe centre of CN is where the old builds are with no prim
Tor Karlsvalt: ok
Tor Karlsvalt: I have to look at that
Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone coughts
Tor Karlsvalt: I just pulled an old prim out of a wall today.
Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone raises hand
Tor KarlsvaltTor Karlsvalt throws Tan a coughdrop
Tanoujin Milestone:
Shep Titian: Rosie and I were looking yesterday ...
Shep Titian: Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: the superflues road at NFS, is it the right of way?
Tanoujin Milestone: just curious
Tor Karlsvalt: It is a road to nowhere
Shep Titian: Just leads to a drop off
Tanoujin Milestone: notheast, yes
Tanoujin Milestone: hmmm
Tor Karlsvalt: just extends past a x-roads and leads to NFS East
Tor Karlsvalt: or south
Tor Karlsvalt:
Shep Titian: Someone wanted to join two parcels it was in the middle .. I think they moved elsewhere
Shep Titian: But it was a good point
Shep Titian: Ok .. I think we know we can reoprt things and they may get changed 
Shep Titian: Moving on
Tor Karlsvalt: we try
Shep Titian: This was requested by Rosie ... When should Spring begin ?
Tor Karlsvalt: ah
Shep Titian: And shMoonrise Azaleeould we timetable our seadons?
Shep Titian: seasons
Moonrise Azalee: February! lol
Moonrise Azalee: is so sick of winter
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Shep Titian: lol
Bagheera Kristan: I think that has been the purvue of the current exec in the past
Tor KarlsvaltTor Karlsvalt just notes that the ground hog says we have six more weeks of winter.
Bagheera Kristan: in real life, seasons are not fixed - LOL !
Shep Titian: NOoooooooooooooooooooooo
Bagheera Kristan: but I'm in California, IRL, so I know nothing of this seasons of which you speak
Shep Titian: LOL
Tanoujin Milestone: you don't miss anything but a running nose and cold feet
Shep Titian: No Bags in fact more changeable than ever
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: Yes, bags is correct it was usually an exec decision.
Tor Karlsvalt: Usually we plan for March
Tor Karlsvalt: probably earlier than later in March
Tor Karlsvalt: that has been traditional.
Tor Karlsvalt: Not that it can't change tho.
Moonrise Azalee: Guess it depends on where one is from - ones idea of when spring is
Shep Titian: Well really the lower sims should melt first
Tor Karlsvalt: We can do that
Moonrise Azalee: We have crocuses -
Bagheera Kristan: LOL !
Moonrise Azalee: agrees with Shep
Tor Karlsvalt: Actually, this year we tried to have less snow in LA
Shep Titian: Ok well this is'nt exercizing anyone much lol
Bagheera Kristan: there is some history behind this, originally CDS came about in part because SL wanted snow sims to compete with other MMorPGS
Shep Titian: I'll tell Rosie to ask Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe, good one
Tor Karlsvalt: I think one year we were very late
Tor Karlsvalt: that got people mad when winter ran into late March.
Tor Karlsvalt: My plan was the first weekend of March btw
Moonrise Azalee: Is there a real place we are basing our climate on?
Moonrise Azalee: if so, would we be in sync with that?
Shep Titian: Yes .. people suffer from SAD
Tor Karlsvalt: Gee they had this argument years ago
Bagheera Kristan: I apologize, I need to excuse myself - IRL
Tor Karlsvalt: I think the problem is CN is technically Colonge Germany
Tor Karlsvalt: ok
Moonrise Azalee: wasn't here years ago
Shep Titian: Everything goes around inb circles Tor
Moonrise Azalee: ahh
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Tor Karlsvalt: yes
Shep Titian: Ok Bags
Bagheera Kristan: thank you
Tor Karlsvalt: but then CN and LA are one the same latitude if you will
Moonrise Azalee: Bye Bags
Moonrise Azalee: waves
Tanoujin Milestone: oh, leaving? See you!
Tor Karlsvalt: I will get with Rosie, see what her thoughts are.
Shep Titian: Ok well we'll leave that for now ..
Shep Titian: Ummm I thought I said .. nevermind
Tor Karlsvalt: np
Shep Titian: Ok no commissions to report
Tanoujin Milestone: ahhhh, exec! Me claps her hands
Shep Titian: Exec .. do you need to report anything Tor?
Tor Karlsvalt: sure
Tor Karlsvalt: I can be brief.
Shep Titian: cool
Shep Titian: You have the floor
Tor Karlsvalt: I held 3 meetings on LA redevelopment
Tor Karlsvalt: the transcripts and a summary are posted to the forum.
Tor Karlsvalt: I suggest we all just go there to read about the meeting
Tor Karlsvalt: I think however we will have some proposals, but probably want to see how the newly constituted Guild can consider plans for LA and RA approval
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Moonrise Azalee: ooh, just a sec
Tor Karlsvalt: oh one more thing sorry
Shep Titian: Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: k back
Moonrise Azalee: sorry
Moonrise Azalee: son was leaving
Shep Titian: Ok lol
Tor Karlsvalt: I should note that one great idea that came out of the meetings was that CDS should provide high quality prefabs for new citizens.
Moonrise Azalee: Thats a good idea
Tor Karlsvalt: Several of the people at the meeting, all good builders, were interested in helping with this.
Tanoujin Milestone: thats great, we need that
Tor Karlsvalt: I think that is it so far. I would like people to read the forums.
Tor Karlsvalt: let me put the link in the chat
Tor Karlsvalt: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3982
Shep Titian: Thanks Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: yw
Shep Titian: Ok no announcements
Shep Titian: I want to change next RA meeting to the Sunday
Shep Titian: 3rd March
Moonrise Azalee: smiles
Tanoujin Milestone: exotic I am fine with it
Moonrise Azalee: time?
Tanoujin Milestone: same?
Shep Titian: What is the best time 4 pm is too late for Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: or what would you prefer?
Moonrise Azalee: 1pm?
Shep Titian: 1 pm is much better
Tanoujin Milestone: better later, wait, 4 pm that s 1 am monday...
Tanoujin Milestone: let us say: 7 pm
Shep Titian: Ok Sunday March 3rd at 1pm SLT
Moonrise Azalee: 7pm is too late for me
Tanoujin Milestone: fine, fine
Moonrise Azalee: putting small children to bed at that time
Moonrise Azalee: I spoke to Ran
Shep Titian: 7 pm?
Tanoujin Milestone: forget it, it is okay
Shep Titian: thats the middle of the night?
Moonrise Azalee: and asked about sunday afternoon and she said it was okay... so Im thinking 1pm would be okay, or 2pm
Tanoujin Milestone: 1pm, is okay
Tanoujin Milestone: really
Shep Titian: Ok we leave it as stated
Shep Titian: cool
Shep Titian: I move to adjourn
Tanoujin Milestone: second
Shep Titian: vote
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Shep Titian: Aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
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