[13:07] Shep Titian: Well we can start .. they can catch up
[13:08] Shep Titian: Please remember by speaking you are agreeing to be recorded and transcribed
[13:09] Shep Titian: Ok meeting called to order
[13:09] Shep Titian: If we can review the agenda and approve please RA
[13:10] Tanoujin Milestone: good agenda, I for one approve
[13:10] Shep Titian: Ah Razzy
[13:10] Ranma Tardis: second
[13:10] Tanoujin Milestone: ty, Ranma, let us give Razzy the chance to check it
[13:11] Shep Titian: Hi Razz
[13:11] Pip Torok: hi razzy .. nice to see you!
[13:11] Rosie Gray: hi Razzy
[13:11] Ranma Tardis: hi Razzy 
[13:11] Moonrise Azalee: Hey there. Sorry I'm late
[13:11] Ranma Tardis: funny you saw her before me
[13:11] Shep Titian: When you've caught your breath could you approve agenda pls its in the box
[13:12] Moonrise Azalee: yep, just looking at it
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: Hi Razzi
[13:12] Shep Titian: cool
[13:12] Moonrise Azalee: yes. I'm cool with it
[13:12] Shep Titian: good
[13:12] Moonrise Azalee: hi Lilith
[13:12] Shep Titian: Speakers on todays agenda should include Tor
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: he said he might be late today
[13:13] Shep Titian: Ram requested he answer some qu8estions
[13:13] Shep Titian: Ran
[13:13] Shep Titian: ok we'll see what happenns
[13:13] Tanoujin Milestone: Raises hand
[13:14] Shep Titian: Yes
[13:14] Ranma Tardis: yes I did
[13:14] Shep Titian: Tan
[13:14] Tanoujin Milestone: I would like to encourage Widget to have her saying on the use of public biuldings
[13:14] Tanoujin Milestone: done
[13:14] Widget Whiteberry: thank you, I've some thoughts
[13:15] Shep Titian: Yes all are welcome to comment
[13:15] Ranma Tardis: I was looking up the relevant part of the consitution
[13:15] Shep Titian: Can we come to it in turn please
[13:15] Shep Titian: Next is citizens concerns
[13:16] Shep Titian: Anyone have anything for us?
[13:16] Shep Titian: OK
[13:17] Shep Titian: RA .. any concerns?
[13:17] Tanoujin Milestone: not today
[13:17] Shep Titian:
[13:17] Ranma Tardis: called Tor to here
[13:17] Moonrise Azalee: none from me
[13:17] Ranma Tardis: under articile 2 section 8 of the constitution
[13:17] Shep Titian: Yes RanI know
[13:18] Shep Titian: He may yet show
[13:18] Shep Titian: ok
[13:19] Shep Titian: Old business .. The Schlodd .. I see both Rosie and Sudane here .. do you think that we can sign off o0n it on the next RA ,meeting?
[13:19] Shep Titian: Schloss
[13:19] Shep Titian: Sorry
[13:20] Sudane Erato: should i speak to that?
[13:20] Shep Titian: Please Sudane
[13:20] Sudane Erato: not sure what you mean by signing off....
[13:20] Sudane Erato: but...
[13:20] Sudane Erato: you can always come and comment and suggest
[13:20] Shep Titian: Well I understood that it required RA approval
[13:21] Sudane Erato: our target as originally proposed was to be done by the next inaugural
[13:21] Sudane Erato: well... i guess you can approve it... that needed to be done before the old one was replaced
[13:21] Sudane Erato: sin ce we can no longer put the old one back
[13:22] Sudane Erato: an approval is kind of theortetical
[13:22] Sudane Erato: but you're welcome to do that anytime
[13:22] Shep Titian: Right ... I'm wondering why iy needs RA approval to be honesyt .. but its always been talked about that we give final approval
[13:22] Sudane Erato: or indicate things thgbat you'd like changed
[13:22] Ranma Tardis: think of it as a acceptance vote
[13:23] Shep Titian: Thanks Tan
[13:23] Sudane Erato: but, really, we still have a ton to do, and our target has been the inaugural
[13:23] Shep Titian: RAN
[13:23] Shep Titian: I'm not with it
[13:23] Tanoujin Milestone: me raises hand
[13:23] Sudane Erato: i'm sure both Rosie and I feel that you can pass an acceptance vote anytime
[13:23] Ranma Tardis: well it is a fine gift to our community
[13:24] Shep Titian: Tan
[13:24] Sudane Erato: sorry... done
[13:25] Tanoujin Milestone: I suggest we deem it approved, the interior design does not need another approval by RA - i would like to have tge opportunity to say thanks to the builders on the inaugurial...
[13:25] Shep Titian: That's fine .. It was me kept on about it lol
[13:26] Shep Titian: Was'nt
[13:26] Sudane Erato:
[13:26] Shep Titian: DEar lord
[13:26] Moonrise Azalee: (laughs)
[13:26] Ranma Tardis: well I move to accept it and give our thanks to Sudane Erato and Rosie Grey
[13:26] Shep Titian: I second
[13:26] Shep Titian: vOTE
[13:26] Shep Titian: aYE
[13:26] Moonrise Azalee: Aye
[13:26] Ranma Tardis: aye
[13:26] Tanoujin Milestone: aye and than you very much!
[13:26] Tanoujin Milestone: +k
[13:27] Sudane Erato: thank you!
[13:27] Moonrise Azalee: (grins)
[13:27] Shep Titian: gOOD APPROVED
[13:27] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[13:27] Moonrise Azalee: Thanks Rosie and Sudane
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: (nods and applauds)
[13:27] Shep Titian: aND YES THANK YOU BOTH
[13:27] Sudane Erato: its a great pleasure to work with Rosie on this... and its still a long way from done
[13:27] Ranma Tardis: my thanks to Rosie and Sudane
[13:27] Rosie Gray: thanks everyone
[13:28] Widget Whiteberry: it's exciting to watch it take place
[13:28] Moonrise Azalee: (nods)
[13:28] Shep Titian: Ok moving on
[13:29] Shep Titian: The next are just discussion subjects .. which can be expanded to the forum
[13:29] Shep Titian: Private Use of public buildings
[13:30] Rosie Gray: Hi Kell
[13:30] Pip Torok: hi kellie !
[13:30] Kellie Wellesley: ¡oןןǝɥ Rosie
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: Hi Kellie
[13:30] Shep Titian: Do we need to add a statement to our covenants that private use items be removed after the event
[13:30] Pip Torok: LOL
[13:30] Kellie Wellesley: ¡oןןǝɥ Pip, Lilith Tan everyone
[13:31] Shep Titian: Hi Kellie
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: (raises her hand)
[13:31] Shep Titian: Lil
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: (smiles)
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: I only wanted to say that I think it is great what Widget does for our community and that we have a lot of other deserted public buildings which needed to be filled with life.
[13:33] Sudane Erato: agree!
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: I´m sure any of our citizens was more than welcome to hold an event there whenever she or he would like
[13:33] Rosie Gray: I agree too
[13:33] Shep Titian: Yes .. so do we ignore covenant then?
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: and get the support of our executive team
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: what part of the covenant exactly Shep?
[13:34] Shep Titian: Timeline
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: I think it´s more important to have life in our community than matching chairs in an empty Sim
[13:34] Ranma Tardis: letting a group take control of public property is stealing from the community
[13:34] Rosie Gray: (raises hand)
[13:35] Pip Torok: raises hand
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: not stealing, just lenting
[13:35] Shep Titian: Rosie
[13:35] Ranma Tardis: why can't I have a free lot for my group?
[13:35] Rosie Gray: well I'd just like to point out that it was all done with the approval of the Chancellor and executive
[13:35] Rosie Gray: so calling this 'stealing' is really out of line, in my view
[13:35] Ranma Tardis: who ingored my summons
[13:36] Shep Titian: Yes and he is restricted from allowing change
[13:36] Ranma Tardis: as a community we survive on tier
[13:36] Rosie Gray: he hasnt' changed any covenant
[13:36] Shep Titian: Why was it so impossible to remove the items?
[13:36] Shep Titian: Pip
[13:37] Widget Whiteberry: Are we talking about removal of VS items?
[13:37] Rosie Gray: and Ranma, I would suggest that you or anyone else that has a group that wants to hold regular, well publicized public functions could probably arrange to have a plot to do so
[13:37] Rosie Gray: finished
[13:37] Pip Torok: 2 things ... 1st its always possible to create a linked structure and install/remove it in seconds
[13:37] Shep Titian: Exactly Pip
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: (raises hand to comment on Pip)
[13:38] Pip Torok: 2nd imo covenants should be as light and as slim as possible ... and allot most items to informal arrangements
[13:38] Pip Torok: done
[13:38] Ranma Tardis: though you miss my point, how will we survive without tier
[13:38] Ranma Tardis: ?
[13:38] Shep Titian: Then the group gets its use and those of us that don't want things there between meets have what we want too
[13:38] Moonrise Azalee: (raises hand)
[13:38] Shep Titian: Lil
[13:39] Shep Titian: then Razzy after
[13:39] Tanoujin Milestone: (Tanoujin Milestone rises hand to comment on Ranma and waits)
[13:39] Rosie Gray: (raises hand again too)
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: I only wanted to say that is is not as easy to create a linked structure as Pip thinks as it depends on the permissions of the different items
[13:40] Sudane Erato: linked or not linked, a rezzor can handle the job easily
[13:40] Shep Titian: We have excellent builders that could help
[13:40] Shep Titian: Razz
[13:40] Shep Titian: then Tan then Rosie
[13:40] Moonrise Azalee: Well, I will say that I disagree.. it is not tier that holds a community... it is comeraderie...
[13:40] Moonrise Azalee: and activity
[13:40] Shep Titian: Lol
[13:41] Moonrise Azalee: tier makes a sim. not a community. Thats all.
[13:41] Moonrise Azalee: done
[13:41] Shep Titian: Yes if there are sims left
[13:41] Sudane Erato: yes!
[13:41] Ranma Tardis: tier pays for the sims
[13:41] Pip Torok: <standing ovation in the direction of Razz....>
[13:41] Sudane Erato: yes to Razzy
[13:41Moonrise Azalee: I guess im missing something...
[13:41] Moonrise Azalee: Im not sure how allowing a parcel for a group to use...
[13:41] Shep Titian: Tan
[13:41] Ranma Tardis: so the community is paying for this free lot
[13:42] Razzy: is setting up the failure of a sim.
[13:42] Tanoujin Milestone: Ranma, we are mixing topics, if we have a controveres between liberals and socialists, let us have that - if it is about chairs, let us stick to that
[13:42] Moonrise Azalee: (realizes we have lots of vacant lots anyhow)
[13:42] Widget Whiteberry: (raises her hand to comment on tier)
[13:42] Moonrise Azalee: anyhow.. sorry. im done
[13:42] Ranma Tardis: Sundane are we meeting expenses?
[13:42] Tanoujin Milestone: I appreciate what you say, Razzy
[13:42] Shep Titian: Widget
[13:42] Widget Whiteberry: ty
[13:42] Widget Whiteberry: Ranma hasn't explained the connection between tier and use of public space. I am paying slightly less now that I've created a skybox.
[13:43] Widget Whiteberry: More importantly
[13:43] Widget Whiteberry: I don't see availability of public spaces for privately produced events as a draw.
[13:44] Moonrise Azalee: (nods)
[13:44] Widget Whiteberry: I'm hoping once the rules are clear that will change.
[13:44] Widget Whiteberry: done
[13:44] Ranma Tardis: the connection is on a private lot she can maintain her groups objects
[13:44] Widget Whiteberry: <I've things to say on other aspects>
[13:44] Shep Titian: No .. I like public spaces to be just that
[13:44] Ranma Tardis: put out any political message no matter how vulgar
[13:44] Rosie Gray: perhaps LRA could keep people from interrupting when it's not their turn?
[13:44] Shep Titian: BUT if someone really wants to use one just clear it up
[13:44] Moonrise Azalee: (laughs)
[13:45] Shep Titian: Ok .. easily solved .. take it to the forum
[13:45] Shep Titian: Moving on
[13:45] Widget Whiteberry: (raises hand to address rezzing and removal of objects)
[13:45] Pip Torok: (remembers london democratic sessions that were _ever_ so vulgar ....)
[13:45] Sudane Erato:
[13:46] Rosie Gray: heheh
[13:46] Ranma Tardis: well they insulted the head of my political party
[13:46] Ranma Tardis: The President of the United States
[13:46] Shep Titian: Stop fighting
[13:46] Rosie Gray: (chortles)
[13:47] Kellie Wellesley: Every president of the US has been insulted for the last 200 years
[13:47] Ranma Tardis: further a member of my extended rl family
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: (mumbles something about freedom of speech)
[13:47] Kellie Wellesley: I would worry if it didn't happen
[13:47] Shep Titian: OK who wants to take some chancellors powers away?
[13:47] Shep Titian: Mumble in the forum Lileth
[13:47] Ranma Tardis: but this is on public land and it looks like the cds endorses the message
[13:47] Widget Whiteberry: (raises hand to address rezzing and removal of objects)
[13:48] Tanoujin Milestone: me raises hand
[13:48] Shep Titian: Ranma I will abort the meeting
[13:48] Shep Titian: Tan
[13:48] Moonrise Azalee: I will second that
[13:48] Tanoujin Milestone: i would like to ask you, chair
[13:49] Tanoujin Milestone: to let have Widget have the last say on the topic
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: ty
[13:49] Tanoujin Milestone: and move on, please?
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: 2 comments
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: If we want to encourage private use of public space, it would be useful to create rules that allow some flexibility. Take 'clean-up' - which I agree with. For example, some events don't actually end after the formal period. I recommend a case by case agreement.
[13:49] Shep Titian: Ok Widget .. with NO right of reply
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: ah 3, and ok
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: It might be useful to anticipate different uses of public spaces and create some set ups that are linked.
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: good ideas
[13:50] Widget Whiteberry: I think I'll leave it at that
[13:51] Shep Titian: Would you be interested in investigating that Widget and coming up with some ideas?
[13:51] Widget Whiteberry: thinking
[13:51] Widget Whiteberry: I'd contribute to that kind of idea generation
[13:52] Widget Whiteberry: for public spaces are going to remain as they are now
[13:52] Widget Whiteberry: if a redesign is in the works, I'd hold off
[13:53] Shep Titian: Maybe it would be a good use of the Guild .. what do you think Rosie?
[13:53] Rosie Gray: absolutely
[13:54] Rosie Gray: it could be our next project for the guild, if the Ra would like that
[13:54] Widget Whiteberry: (smiles encouragement at Rosie)
[13:54] Moonrise Azalee: nods
[13:55] Shep Titian: Cool .. ok does the rest of RA approve of the Guild and featuring Widget formulate some plans for public builds to be used and returned to normal quickly?
[13:55] Moonrise Azalee: yes
[13:55] Shep Titian: Tan?
[13:56] Tanoujin Milestone: SUre, and we could ask the guild to get on the job officialy
[13:56] Shep Titian: Ran ?
[13:56] Ranma Tardis: nay
[13:56] Rosie Gray: (nods)
[13:56] Shep Titian: Why nay?
[13:56] Ranma Tardis: no RA oversight
[13:57] Shep Titian: Yes I was going to Tan but we don't have 4 votes
[13:57] Tanoujin Milestone: (scratches her head)
[13:57] Shep Titian: WEll yes .. they are employed by us
[13:57] Shep Titian: and report back
[13:59] Tanoujin Milestone: Ranma , would you agree to redesign of public spaces so they can be used
and cleaned up again by the guild?
[14:00] Tanoujin Milestone: and if not, why?
[14:00] Ranma Tardis: want to hear more
[14:00] Shep Titian: Ok I'll do it this way ... I propse that RA ask the guild and Widget if they will come up with some ideas for the fast removal of items from private use of public buildings and report back before implementing any .. for approval by RA
[14:00] Ranma Tardis: nods
[14:00] Tanoujin Milestone:
[14:01] Moonrise Azalee: Yeah
[14:01] Shep Titian: Someone second
[14:01] Tanoujin Milestone: I seciond
[14:01] Tanoujin Milestone: _i
[14:01] Shep Titian: Vote Aye
[14:01] Moonrise Azalee: aye
[14:01] Tanoujin Milestone: Aye
[14:01] Ranma Tardis: aye
[14:01] Widget Whiteberry: aye
[14:01] Sudane Erato:
[14:02] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[14:02] Ranma Tardis: Widget you are not a RA member
[14:02] Ranma Tardis: giggles you can run
[14:02] Widget Whiteberry: ty, I wasn't sure of protocol
[14:02] Shep Titian: Excellent ... Rosie will you be kind enough to approve the Guild working for us
[14:02] Rosie Gray: yes Madam LRA
[14:02] Rosie Gray: (smiles)
[14:02] Tanoujin Milestone: fantastic!
[14:02] Moonrise Azalee: grins
[14:02] Rosie Gray: I'll call a meeting soon to discuss this
[14:03] Shep Titian: Excellent .. we have a plan
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: yay
[14:03] Moonrise Azalee: claps
[14:03] Sudane Erato: bravo!
[14:03] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[14:03] Shep Titian: Ran
[14:04] Ranma Tardis: am not happy I summoned the chancellor as per the Constitution and he ignored the summons
[14:05] Shep Titian: Yes and he shouls attend for the exec report
[14:05] Widget Whiteberry: I hope he's alright
[14:05] Shep Titian: But we don't know why
[14:05] Shep Titian: Its not like him to miss
[14:06] Rosie Gray: he's had a lot of problems logging in recently
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: I saw him today and somehow I think he was not aware he had to answer questions here today
[14:06] Shep Titian: He has to attend RA once a month
[14:06] Sudane Erato: raise hand
[14:06] Shep Titian: Its in the constitution
[14:07] Shep Titian: Sudane
[14:07] Sudane Erato: question of information
[14:07] Callipygian Christensen: (raises her hand)
[14:07] Sudane Erato: itenmn 2 on the agenda refers to some right that the chancellor has to take away a persons land
[14:07] Shep Titian: After Sudane Calli
[14:07] Sudane Erato: i've never heard of such a right
[14:08] Sudane Erato: could you identify and define it?
[14:08] Sudane Erato: done
[14:08] Shep Titian: Well I read it this week in the constitution
[14:08] Pip Torok: (is VERY relieved to hear that ...)
[14:08] Shep Titian: One dec I'll get it
[14:09] Callipygian Christensen: it is in the Consitution and has been forever It came up in discussion last term as well iirc
[14:09] Tanoujin Milestone: (e) subject to the payment of adequate compensation to any citizen or citizens thereby affected, reclaim or swap any land...
[14:09] Tanoujin Milestone: and
[14:09] Tanoujin Milestone: (a) to determine the use to which any and all land in CDS shall be put;
[14:10] Shep Titian: Ok .. I'll be a few mins
[14:10] Sudane Erato: ahh... the old "eminnent domain" issue...
[14:10] Shep Titian: bre good
[14:11] Callipygian Christensen: it's a reasonable power, and seldom used and rightly so - I dont recall it being used in my time in CDS
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: (nods)
[14:11] Sudane Erato: nor do i
[14:11] Ranma Tardis: nods
[14:12] Tanoujin Milestone: The Chancellor of CDS shall, *subject to the laws* of CDS, have the power:
[14:12] Tanoujin Milestone: so, we make the laws here, right?
[14:12] Sudane Erato: we try
[14:12] Tanoujin Milestone: and we can limit the power by law
[14:13] Tanoujin Milestone: so true, Sudane .-D
[14:13] Moonrise Azalee: Hey everyone.. I have to head off to work
[14:13] Callipygian Christensen: (would respectuflly sggest that things that aren't broken might not need fixin'
[14:14] Widget Whiteberry: (wonders what's broken here)
[14:14] Tanoujin Milestone: not in the constitution if we can regulate it by law
[14:14] Callipygian Christensen: (and my hand is still up re the previous matter of the Chancellor appearing)
[14:14] Rosie Gray: (waves goodbye to Razzy)
[14:14] Tanoujin Milestone: Bye, Razzy
[14:14] Lilith Ivory: bye Razzy
[14:14] Pip Torok: bye razz ... dont work too hard ...
[14:14] Moonrise Azalee: Sorry for being late and having to leave early. I only had an hour today 
[14:14] Shep Titian: (e) subject to the payment of adequate compensation to any citizen or citizens thereby affected, reclaim or swap any land held by any citizen of CDS for the purposes of discharging any function of the Office of the Chancellor conferred by this Act or any other Act of the Representative Assembly, provided always that no citizen of CDS shall not be caused to have no holding in Neufriestadt at all thereby;
[14:14] Moonrise Azalee: (waves)
[14:15] Shep Titian: Sorry it would'nt open
[14:15] Moonrise Azalee: Bye Shep
[14:15] Ranma Tardis: bye bye Razzy
[14:15] Shep Titian: O bye Razz
[14:15] Shep Titian: aee you over there!! lol
[14:16] Sudane Erato: raise hand
[14:16] Callipygian Christensen: me?
[14:17] Shep Titian: I found that peregraph a little startling
[14:17] Callipygian Christensen: just to clarify - was Tor sent a notecard requesting that he appear?
[14:17] Shep Titian: Sudane
[14:17] Shep Titian: No Calli Razz
[14:17] Callipygian Christensen: oh sorry..thought you wanted me to go ahead lol
[14:17] Shep Titian: I was too slow posting
[14:17] Sudane Erato: i'm just wondering why this issue is being brought to the RA... was there any event which prompted it?
[14:17] Sudane Erato: done
[14:18] Shep Titian: Yes .. I read it ))
[14:18] Sudane Erato:
[14:18] Sudane Erato: ok...
[14:18] Shep Titian: LOL
[14:18] Sudane Erato: understood
[14:18] Shep Titian: well its for discussion
[14:18] Callipygian Christensen: ok..so to speak to Ranma's disappointment, if he didn't recieve a formal request I think it's probably easiest to just send one for the next meeting
[14:19] Shep Titian: And I'm sure Tor won't play musical parcels
[14:19] Shep Titian: But he could
[14:19] Ranma Tardis: it was in the forums
[14:20] Shep Titian: I checked that too .. it needs to be a notecard Ranma
[14:20] Callipygian Christensen: I don't think a forum post qualifies as 'written request' Ranma..a notecard in world would be the standard or an e-mail
[14:20] Ranma Tardis: notecards are no good because there is no way to verify delivery
[14:21] Lilith Ivory: if you send a notecard it´s in your transaction history
[14:21] Ranma Tardis: he could always calaim he did not get it
[14:21] Ranma Tardis: got a notecard not what
[14:21] Pip Torok: (prefers "invitation" to "summons" any day ...)
[14:21] Callipygian Christensen: Your transaction history will show delivery Ranma..just title the notecard so that it can be recognizable
[14:22] Rosie Gray: (completely agrees that politeness counts)
[14:22] Ranma Tardis: still where does it say it has to be notecard?
[14:22] Shep Titian: One sec
[14:23] Tanoujin Milestone: The Chancellor will also attend upon three days notice at the written request from any member of the Representative Assembly.
[14:23] Callipygian Christensen: The Consitution says 'written request' - in world a written request is a notecard
[14:23] Tanoujin Milestone: Section (
[14:23] Lilith Ivory: (raises her hand)
[14:23] Ranma Tardis: forum is written too
[14:23] Tanoujin Milestone: there he is
[14:23] Rosie Gray: speak of the devil!
[14:23] Sudane Erato: hehe
[14:23] Lilith Ivory: (grins)
[14:23] Shep Titian: Section 8 – RA Oversight
Each month the Chancellor shall attend a meeting of the Representative Assembly, and fully and truthfully answer there any questions posed by any citizen about any aspect of the affairs of the CDS or of the Office of the Chancellor. The Chancellor will also attend upon three days notice at the written request from any member of the Representative Assembly.
[14:24] Pip Torok: (raises hand)
[14:24] Shep Titian: Pip
[14:24] Lilith Ivory: Hi Tor
[14:24] Rosie Gray: hello Herr Chancellor
[14:24] Tanoujin Milestone: Tor
[14:24] Shep Titian: Hi Tor
[14:25] Tor Karlsvalt: HI all
[14:25] Ranma Tardis: Tor *smiles*
[14:25] Widget Whiteberry: waves to Tor
[14:25] Tanoujin Milestone: (leans back and lights a cigarette)
[14:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Sorry I am so late. We were having a beautiful day here and just finished my 4 mile walk.
[14:25] Shep Titian: LMAO
[14:25] Pip Torok: may i suggest that when a member of the RA makes such a request, she declares that she makes it _as_ a menber of the RA .. and in addition gets the "nod" from other RA members?
[14:26] Shep Titian: (whispers) Is about to give up LOL
[14:26] Lilith Ivory: (raises her hand again)
[14:26] Pip Torok: done (btw)
[14:26] Callipygian Christensen: Pip - the ok of all RA members is not required..the form of request is
[14:26] Ranma Tardis: As a member of the RA am requesting the presence of the CDS Chancellor Tor at the next meeting of the RA April 7. This involves RA oversight of his office.
[14:26] Shep Titian: Can we decide if it needs talking about .. the chancellors power lol
[14:26] Shep Titian: RAMNA!!!
[14:27] Sudane Erato:
[14:27] Shep Titian: Ok I'm giving up on that last I'll take it to the forum myself
[14:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
[14:28] Shep Titian: There being o commission reports we move to executive report and ask the chancellor time
[14:28] Shep Titian: Tor you have the floor
[14:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
[14:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I have been asked to inform the RA abut the policy of approving th euse of public land.
[14:30] Tor Karlsvalt: As far as I can find, there is no other policy other than public land is available for use by any citizen of CDS. The exec 's have as I can see only felt a need to ensure there are no conflicts between use of public land.
[14:31] Widget Whiteberry: (listens)
[14:32] Tor Karlsvalt: As far as attendance is concerned, the Chancellor is required I belive to attend only one RA per term. Usually this is for the state of the Confederation. I think the record would show that I have attended all of the RA sessions, probably a record some RA members might envy.
[14:32] Sudane Erato:
[14:32] Shep Titian: Per month Tor
[14:32] Rosie Gray: 
[14:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I may stand corrected, but I would have to review the constitution again.
[14:33] Tor Karlsvalt: I know I am required to attend one.
[14:33] Callipygian Christensen: It IS 'each month' Tor
[14:34] Shep Titian: Section 8 – RA Oversight
Each month the Chancellor shall attend a meeting of the Representative Assembly, and fully and truthfully answer there any questions posed by any citizen about any aspect of the affairs of the CDS or of the Office of the Chancellor. The Chancellor will also attend upon three days notice at the written request from any member of the Representative Assembly.
[14:34] Callipygian Christensen: But since members of RA weren't overly familiar with the Consitution either, no fault in you not being aware either lol
[14:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Ok, as we have only one per month, it seems the chancellor has a more stringent requirement than an RA member
[14:34] Sudane Erato: hehe
[14:35] Lilith Ivory: (grins)
[14:35] Tor Karlsvalt: In any case, I am sure that I am always available to discuss issues.
[14:35] Tanoujin Milestone: (throws a softball in Calli's direction)
[14:35] Shep Titian: I hope you are'nt pointing at me
[14:35] Tor Karlsvalt: oh me no, not at anyone.
[14:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I would make just one more observation.
[14:36] Shep Titian: I don't think I've missed a single meeting
[14:36] Shep Titian: Rambling
[14:36] Tor Karlsvalt: VS has been a wonderful event in CDS.
[14:36] Callipygian Christensen: background info _ the 'eachmonth' stems from the days RA met every two weeks - it may be something to look at changing.
[14:36] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[14:36] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[14:37] Rosie Gray: (gets up and sneaks quietly away)
[14:37] Shep Titian: Bye Rosie
[14:37] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Rosie
[14:37] Shep Titian: Ran
[14:38] Ranma Tardis: just want to know how you feel executive power should be use when determining public land usuage?
[14:38] Shep Titian: I don't see why Tor should have a lesser meeting ratio than us
[14:38] Tor Karlsvalt: May I answer?
[14:38] Shep Titian: Yes
[14:38] Ranma Tardis: please
[14:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I feel the exec role is merely one of scheduling and ensuring that all citizens have access to public land.
[14:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Naturally, events my conflict.
[14:40] Tor Karlsvalt: And the exec would have to ensure that there is no conflict.
[14:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I my knowledge nobody complained to me that they had an event they could not hold in a public place.
[14:40] Shep Titian: Gwyn did
[14:40] Shep Titian: Its in the forum
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: If they had, I am sure arrangements would have been made to accomodate alll events.
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I am very easy to contct
[14:41] Shep Titian: She wanted the amphitheatre anjd was put off
[14:41] Shep Titian: Asked for ideas of an alternative
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: If you send me an email, IM or fb message you can reach me
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: I have a mailbox on my house
[14:42] Sudane Erato: I tink Gwyn should speak to her own reaction to that situation
[14:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Gwyn never asked me first.
[14:42] Pip Torok: (feels it was a shame tht no approach was made for use of the OldBowl)
[14:42] Shep Titian: I'm only sharing what she posted
[14:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Second, I and widget were the only people here who attended her meeting.
[14:42] Shep Titian: I think someone spoke with her but I forget who
[14:42] Tor Karlsvalt: She nver mentioned use of the Amphitheater at that time.
[14:42] Widget Whiteberry: (nods)
[14:43] Shep Titian: Yes she did
[14:43] Tor Karlsvalt: This whole thing was probably less an issue with Gwyn than with everyone else.
[14:43] Shep Titian: said it was one of the places she could use a certain stream
[14:43] Sudane Erato: I am sure that what Tor says is true about Gwyn's feeling
[14:44] Tor Karlsvalt: As far as I know her event was not hindered.
[14:44] Shep Titian: I really don't see why this has exercized people so much .. by all means use public land .. just clear up
[14:45] Tanoujin Milestone: (raises hand)
[14:45] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[14:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I do apologize for the appearance that public land seemed to have been taken over.
[14:45] Shep Titian: You Cannot care that the wrong trees are on the beach then say its ok to have a load of modern stuff on permanent show
[14:45] Tor Karlsvalt: That will not happen again.
[14:45] Shep Titian: Tan
[14:46] Tanoujin Milestone: I have a comment
[14:46] Tanoujin Milestone: we have elements of a presidental system
[14:46] Shep Titian: go ahead
[14:46] Tanoujin Milestone: the chancellor is elected
[14:46] Tor Karlsvalt: However I still would like to point out, that VS has brought at least 14 ppl into the sim twice a week. Not to mention the sims get free publicity on the LL calendar, the VS group and the Pulse Group.
[14:46] Tor Karlsvalt: done, sorry
[14:46] Tanoujin Milestone: and he is responsible for management of events and all kind of administrative tasks
[14:46] Shep Titian: Where has the fishing gone?
[14:47] Tanoujin Milestone: so, if people want to hold him responsible, there are elections too for it
[14:47] Tanoujin Milestone: RA is here to check his actions
[14:47] Shep Titian: Of course
[14:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I stopped the fishing. It was just costing money and it seemed little return.
[14:48] Tanoujin Milestone: but we should appreciate what -he does as a volunteer and give him a little freedom and space to 'work* done
[14:48] Sudane Erato: bravo
[14:48] Widget Whiteberry: Tor - pt of info - notices go to 6 inworld groups.
[14:48] Shep Titian: It gave us green dots also
[14:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Ranma was kind to continue it for a month longer at her own expense.
[14:48] Callipygian Christensen: (applauds)
[14:48] Pip Torok: (strongly agrees)
[14:49] Shep Titian: Ok can we wind up
[14:49] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[14:49] Shep Titian: this cold is devloping nicely
[14:49] Shep Titian: Tor
[14:49] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks
[14:50] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[14:50] Shep Titian: Oh then Ran
[14:50] Shep Titian: I forgot
[14:50] Tor Karlsvalt: Heads up! SL10B is coming
[14:50] Tor Karlsvalt: I will have a meeting on it probably Wednesday Evening and Friday Morning.
[14:50] Shep Titian: The beach party was great last year
[14:51] Tor Karlsvalt: We have to apply between the 15 thru the 20th.
[14:51] Shep Titian: Not much time
[14:51] Tor Karlsvalt: WE need to get ready this term so we are ready for the event in mid June
[14:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we can't apply until the 15th
[14:52] Shep Titian: ok just after nre RA session
[14:52] Tor Karlsvalt: I will apply no mater what we have
[14:52] Tor Karlsvalt: ok done, and I hope you get over your cold.
[14:52] Shep Titian: ok
[14:52] Shep Titian: Ranma
[14:52] Shep Titian: lol me too
[14:53] Ranma Tardis: my only concern is the appearance of government endorsement of functions done on public land
[14:54] Ranma Tardis: I praise Widgets involvement in her meetings
[14:54] Shep Titian: Well I think it was all lost in excitement by some Ran
[14:54] Ranma Tardis: and I agree with some of it
[14:54] Shep Titian: I don't see it as that
[14:55] Ranma Tardis: well it is my view and seems I am in the minority
[14:55] Shep Titian: Did you ever get a reply to that message you sent?
[14:55] Widget Whiteberry: (had no idea there was any implied endoresement of anything other than citizens producing events open to the public.)
[14:55] Ranma Tardis: it is how I see it right or wrong
[14:56] Tanoujin Milestone: (listens)
[14:56] Shep Titian: Probably because I'm a Brit I don't see that so much
[14:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Frankly I just never even thought about it seeming and endorsement of VS views. But I understand the issue once it was expressed.
[14:56] Ranma Tardis: wish I understood European politics better
[14:56] Shep Titian: Being not that interested in American politics .. sorry
[14:56] Ranma Tardis: maybe a sign
[14:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Well in future perhaps we should have a sign about views expressed here do not represent the views of the CDS.
[14:57] Pip Torok: you and me both, Ranma!
[14:57] Widget Whiteberry: I was'nt aware that VS had consistent or uniform views
[14:57] Callipygian Christensen: So ask that a sign be put up stating 'The views of this event do not necesarilly reflect the vies of the CDS' during events
[14:57] Tor Karlsvalt: It is on private land now
[14:57] Ranma Tardis: yes she does a great job of running it
[14:57] Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, it is solved, an interesting question though that Ranma rised here
[14:57] Tor Karlsvalt: you are right Widget, I think that is why I didn't see any problem.
[14:57] Sudane Erato: there is NO reason to even consider that events should express the views of the CDS!
[14:58] Callipygian Christensen: We are a democracy - that implies that we encourage open and honest exchange of viewpoints
[14:58] Widget Whiteberry: Sudane ++
[14:58] Sudane Erato: exactly
[14:58] Ranma Tardis: on private land there is no reason
[14:58] Shep Titian: Ok folks
[14:59] Shep Titian: No announcements
[14:59] Sudane Erato: so long as public land is open to all citizens and their views, there is no reason on public land either
[14:59] Shep Titian: Date next meeting
[14:59] Ranma Tardis: one last thing, I would like to raise money for relay for life
[14:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Just to insert in thoh ok Ranma
[14:59] Tor Karlsvalt: we should talk about that
[14:59] Shep Titian: Sunday 5th May at 1pm SLT
[14:59] Tor Karlsvalt: k
[15:00] Sudane Erato: hey... that's the orthodox Easter!
[15:00] Shep Titian: Propose adjourn
[15:00] Sudane Erato:
[15:00] Ranma Tardis: second
[15:00] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[15:00] Ranma Tardis: aye
[15:00] Shep Titian: And my brothers birthday
[15:00] Shep Titian: Aye
[15:00] Shep Titian: .. thats it folks
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
Ian Maclaren
