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Answers (semi-official) for Gov Q. Hour of 6/26

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Cleo posted the original transcript under the Events category, where it might get overlooked, so I have quoted the entire transcript at the bottom of this post. There were two questions asked, both directed towards the Executive branch.

First question:

Trebor is not getting the automatic information from the land scanner that the other Estate Manager's get. Can you explain why this is so?
An EM's job is to make sure these transactions go smoothly, and Trebor needs to receive this information in order for him to do his part as EM.

Answer as I understand it: Sudane told Ceasar that Hippo emails put a demand on the sim server and since we have a land scanner which reports exactly the same information on this page:
http://www.tospitimou.com/landscanner/v ... ontext=CDS , the emails would be redundant while causing extra burden on the sim. EMs are encouraged to make it a habit to check the land scanner page. I have been endeavoring to schedule a meeting with all the EMs to go over these things but that meeting has not happened yet. Fortunately, we are full up with very few abandoned parcels, even if Trebor had been receiving emails, his inbox would have been mostly empty. The Chancellor's office has had to (by law) reclaim a few parcels due to tier not being paid, so those land transfers would have been emailed (but required no response, so not really necessary, since the emails just would have showed the Chancellor and EM transfers required to reclaim parcels and prepare them to be sold).

which leads to question 2:

Q: How does one locate & inspecting available parcels in advance of them going up for sale?

Answer:

The land coordinates for each parcel are ALWAYS given in the notecards notifying of the sale (for example - the parcel going for sale this Saturday has the land coordinates: Colonia Nova 6, 222, 32

Land coordinates - for those who don't know - are used by opening the big map inworld, typing in the name of the sim and doing a search. The default landing spot for each sim is 128, 128, 0 (or) the lowest landing point on the center of the sim. In the lower right corner of the big land map, you will see those coordinates after you have searched on the sim. Replace the 128, 128, 0 with the coordinates given in the notecard. You will see the red indicator circle on the map itself move to the new location. Click on Teleport and your avatar will be tp'd to the location.

You can also find land coordinates on the web and teleport from the web by clicking on "Visit this Location".
Here is this Saturday's parcel for sale: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/C ... 20Saturday

Landmarks are nice and we can try to give them out but they require a little extra effort, i.e. EM needs to walk into the parcel and find a good landing spot, then make the Landmark, and getting it to the Chancellor to include in the notecard (or the Chancellor has to make a special trip and go out and make his own). One thing I know Ceasar and I have been struggling with is the notecards, textures, and LMs (etc.) I am sending him are getting lost (probably because his messages are getting capped) so we are having to follow up on everything. We will try to include LMs with the notecards but even when that doesn't happen, there will ALWAYS be land coordinates which you can use to find the parcel.

Full meeting transcript as posted by Cleo in the Events section, reposted below:

cleopatraxigalia wrote:

There were two questions asked , which are bolded below. Birch Moonrise, Widget, Catz, JD, and Cally and Ranma were in attendance. The meeting lasted about half an hour.

[08:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: will be leading the GQH June 26 at 9am at the pretorium. Hopefully other members of the government, from all three branches will attend as well as any citizen or visitor to the CDS.

Please bring your questions about the Government and or post them here if you cannot attend and I will answer them to the best of my ability, or another member of the government who attends will, and the transcripts will be posted.

The meeting will be recorded and I will do my best to answer questions as I am able, or find the answer to your questions if I do not know.

Please refer to the following link about the GQH. Save the dates for the rest of the term.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4959#p27257

[08:55] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: if anyone has questions that you didnt post on the forums give them to me on a notecard. please
[08:55] Birch (moonrise.azalee): ok
[08:55] Birch (moonrise.azalee): just a minute
[08:59] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thank you Birch!
[08:59] Birch (moonrise.azalee): np
[09:00] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Hello Ranma
[09:01] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: This meeting will commence.
[09:01] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: All of the statements will be recorded....
[09:01] Ranma Tardis: good morning
[09:01] Birch (moonrise.azalee): good morning Ranma
[09:02] Ranma Tardis: Good Morning Birch
[09:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I will be leading the GQH June 26 at 9am at the pretorium. Hopefully other members of the government, from all three branches will attend as well as any citizen or visitor to the CDS.

Please bring your questions about the Government and or post them here if you cannot attend and I will answer them to the best of my ability, or another member of the government who attends will, and the transcripts will be posted.

The meeting will be recorded and I will do my best to answer questions as I am able, or find the answer to your questions if I do not know.

Please refer to the following link about the GQH. Save the dates for the rest of the term.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4959#p27257
[09:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Anyone with questions either post them here or pass them to me in a notecard. When a question is put out by me any of the government officials in attendance are encouraged to answer the question. The meeting will be transcribed amf published and end at 950 am. Any remaining questions will go to the next G Q H or you can ask in the forums.
[09:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: If anyone has a question please give it to me on a notecard.
[09:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Calli and i will attempt to answer GQH questions.
[09:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Does anyone else have a question.. The transcripts will be posted in the forums.
[09:04] Widget Whiteberry: I have a question
[09:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: send me a notecard Widget
[09:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I have one question so far.. i will post it then attmept to answer it .. as i hope Callipygian will help.
[09:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: welcome everyone ! .. The first question is from Moon.
[09:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: It is for the Executive Branch. But i think we can do some bit to answer this .
[09:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and then send it to the Exec for further clarificiation if needed.
[09:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Birch asks:
[09:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Trebor is not getting the automatic information from the land scanner that the other Estate Manager's get. Can you explain why this is so?
An EM's job is to make sure these transactions go smoothly, and Trebor needs to receive this information in order for him to do his part as EM.
[09:06] Callipygian Christensen: I am dealing with a conference call also, so may be not paying full attention at times.
[09:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ok ty
[09:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: This assumes that trebor needs the emails to do his job. What part of his job do you think he cannot do without the emails Birch? .. and where did you get the job description for the EMs you use?
[09:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: This may help the Executive team answer .
[09:08] Birch (moonrise.azalee): I think the question is self explanatory - why is Trebor not receiving the message he needs. He was receiving them before and is not now. He is at work, and is unable to attend himself, so i wanted to ask on his behalf.
[09:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Here is my understanding of the law. ..
[09:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and again i have not looked this up
[09:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: But i can try for later.
[09:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I was reading this morning about this in context of something from a while ago, but I am certain that Each newly elected executive is able to 1. appoint any staff they wish
[09:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: 2. create their own proceedures.
[09:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: The Executive that was just elected might be doing things in a different way than you have seen done in the past. But i don tthink that means its wrong, nor does it mean that it is a problem.
[09:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Land sales are being handled differently for one thing by this administration.
[09:11] Designer Enchanted is online.
[09:11] Birch (moonrise.azalee): but - to the question "Trebor is not getting the automatic information from the land scanner that the other Estate Manager's get. Can you explain why this is so? " --- how does your answer relate?
[09:11] Birch (moonrise.azalee): that he is not getting the information that others do.
[09:11] Birch (moonrise.azalee): unless -- no EM are getting this information anymore?
[09:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I have no indication that that is the Case.
[09:12] Birch (moonrise.azalee): so.. no other EM is having this problem that you are aware of?
[09:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: perhaps bagheera will be here to answerlater, But i have no indication from anyone that the EMS are treated differently ...
[09:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: So you dont know either ?
[09:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: You are assuming that Trebor has been singled out is that correct? But you dont know this for a fact?
[09:13] Birch (moonrise.azalee): I am not in the government, nor do I take part in any of the CDS sanctioned groups - but I find it hard to believe that no EM is getting this information anymore. If that is the case then something is wrong.
[ [09:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: That may help the Executive answer the questions
[09:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: So you are just supposing,
[09:13] Birch (moonrise.azalee): This is why I ask you, if you know why Trebor is not receiving the information that he was previously.
[09:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ok
[09:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i can answer that generally. as i already did
[09:14] Birch (moonrise.azalee): No need to put words in my mouth. I am posting a question on behalf of a friend of people here, and someone people know, who was unable to attend today due to RL obligations. That is all.
[09:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: When a new admiinistration takes control. The roles of the people working for the new administration sometimes change. And the new admin get to create the role and define the dutires they delegate per the law as they see fit. e
[09:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I have no idea, or any indication that Trebor has different roles than the other EMs
[09:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: He is no longer on the previous admins team, and is on a new one, so manythings likely change.
[09:15] Birch (moonrise.azalee): Answer of 'no idea why' or 'yes, I know why -- this is why...' would suffice if you don't know. And perhaps the offer to look into it.
[09:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I am sorry you didnt like my anser. I will move on to widegets question.
[09:16] Birch (moonrise.azalee): only because it wasnt an answer, but no problem
[09:16] Birch (moonrise.azalee): Are you going to investigate this?
[09:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I answered the best i could and i think it was a fair answer. I already said i will post them on the forums.
[09:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Q: How does one locate & inspecting available parcels in advance of them going up for sale?
[09:17] Birch (moonrise.azalee): But -- will you look into it?
[09:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: And again this is for the executive
[09:17] Birch (moonrise.azalee): (sorry Widget)
[09:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Widget, this is a good question. i recall reading that the new procedure is on the forums
[09:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: There will be a 24 hour notice of land for sale i think ??
[09:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so at that time one can go see the parcels and decide if you wan t them i assume.
[09:18] Widget Whiteberry: the new procedures don't address my question
[09:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: if you have the name of the parcel, cant you go see it ?
[09:18] Widget Whiteberry: only if you can find it
[09:18] baz (avantgarde.frequency) left the region.
[09:19] Birch (moonrise.azalee) wonders if some EM not getting information when they need it affects that smooth process.
[09:19] Widget Whiteberry nods
[09:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Birch please
[09:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that has nothing to do with this.. i am going to look at the notice sent last time and see what i can tell you
[09:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: CDS Land sale day - Saturday June 28th 2014 at noon SLT

The following Parcel will be offered for sale

C.03 Colonia Nova @ Colonia Nova 20, 231, 45
[09:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: there are maps on the forums that let you look up the parcel, but i do agree the LMs to the parcels for sale would be a benefit !
[09:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: perhaps they can put it on a notecard and add the LM
[09:20] Widget Whiteberry: some slurls work, others do not
[09:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: LMs are easy to put on the notecards.
[09:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: then you wont have to go to the forums to look up the name
[09:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ( posted a notecard from group notices) text below:

As you know citizens are allowed to sell their own land parcels as they wish by setting the parcel to sale to either a specific person or to anyone.

From time to time land is either abandoned or needs to be taken back by the government due to the delinquency of tier payments. We wish to ensure that sales of these parcels of land are dealt with in a fair and equitable way.

Land that becomes available will be notified in the forums and by CDS notice in world with at least 24 hours notice prior to a land sale day. So long as the 24 hour notice period has been satisfied land that becomes available will be sold on the next land sale day. There will be two land sale days each week.

Wednesday at 5am SLT
Saturday at noon SLT

Land set for sale in this way will remain for sale until someone purchases it.

For clarity this procedure does not apply to citizens private sales of their own parcels.

Please contact myself, Bagheera, the EM team or the PIO team if you have any questions

I hope you will all encourage
[09:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: anyone you know who is interested in purchasing land in CDS and therefore becoming a citizen to join the CDS group as a 'friend of CDS' so that they will receive the notices.
[09:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: If you want to look them up on the forums.
[09:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: or rather the portal
.
[09:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you go to the opening page and then the land prices and fees tab,
[09:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: there are maps with plot numbers there.
[09:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ok is that all ?
[09:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I appreciate you all coming to this meeting and i will post the transcripts.
[09:25] Birch (moonrise.azalee): not very satisfied with your lack of a promise to investigate Trebors issue
[09:25] Birch (moonrise.azalee): unless i missed it
[09:25] Birch (moonrise.azalee) scrolls
[09:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Does anyone else have a question for th e RA branch or the SC branch
[09:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: since we are here.
[09:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Id like to invite you to go hear Trow play on the docks then. Thank you very much.

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Bags stated: "Answer as I understand it: Sudane told Ceasar that Hippo emails put a demand on the sim server and since we have a land scanner which reports exactly the same information on this page:
http://www.tospitimou.com/landscanner/v ... ontext=CDS , the emails would be redundant while causing extra burden on the sim. EMs are encouraged to make it a habit to check the land scanner page. I have been endeavoring to schedule a meeting with all the EMs to go over these things but that meeting has not happened yet. Fortunately, we are full up with very few abandoned parcels, even if Trebor had been receiving emails, his inbox would have been mostly empty. The Chancellor's office has had to (by law) reclaim a few parcels due to tier not being paid, so those land transfers would have been emailed (but required no response, so not really necessary, since the emails just would have showed the Chancellor and EM transfers required to reclaim parcels and prepare them to be sold)."

There are no emails generated from Hippo. The emails that have ALWAYS been sent to each Estate Manager for as long as I've been here is the emails from Timo's Landscanner Program. So no the emails aren't redundant because to the best of my knowledge there are no Hippo Emails. I helped set up the Hippo system on the Web and I don't remember seeing an option to send emails BUT I could be incorrect. In my opinion EM's shouldn't have to go to a land scanner page. If it's not broke don't fix it. We've NEVER had an issue with Timo's Landscanner sending emails to Estate Managers. I don't want to have to do step 1, 2, and 3 when all I need to do is complete step 1. By forcing an individual to do more work than necessary you're asking for the work not getting done.

Now I'll explain why I feel it is an issue that only Sudane, Ceasar, and Bags are getting these emails and none of the rest of the Estate Managers are. Timo' landscanner sends an email for ALL changes of ownership of parcels whether its a sale, giveaway, or government worker needing access for whatever reason. The main reason for the email in my opinion is so all Estate Managers know someone made a purchase and who the person is. This way we can visit the parcel, welcome the new citizen, but most importantly to make sure that not only did they purchase the parcel but also that they have submitted their tier to the Hippo vendor which gives them a few notecards introducing them to the CDS.

Another example is the issue of transparency. If Tor sells his parcel to a new citizen that email will alert me of the transaction so I can make sure Tor received a refund from Hippo and that the new citizen is now the payer of tier in Hippo. I'm sorry but I don't want to have to go through extra steps to perform my VOLUNTARY duties as an Estate Manager. Be thankful that any of us are volunteering our time and quit trying to make our work harder than needed.

Let us move away from all of the "us" and "them" and turn our attention to "we."
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Trebor Warcliffe wrote:

Bags stated: "Answer as I understand it: Sudane told Ceasar that Hippo emails put a demand on the sim server and since we have a land scanner which reports exactly the same information on this page:
http://www.tospitimou.com/landscanner/v ... ontext=CDS , the emails would be redundant while causing extra burden on the sim. EMs are encouraged to make it a habit to check the land scanner page. I have been endeavoring to schedule a meeting with all the EMs to go over these things but that meeting has not happened yet. Fortunately, we are full up with very few abandoned parcels, even if Trebor had been receiving emails, his inbox would have been mostly empty. The Chancellor's office has had to (by law) reclaim a few parcels due to tier not being paid, so those land transfers would have been emailed (but required no response, so not really necessary, since the emails just would have showed the Chancellor and EM transfers required to reclaim parcels and prepare them to be sold)."

There are no emails generated from Hippo. The emails that have ALWAYS been sent to each Estate Manager for as long as I've been here is the emails from Timo's Landscanner Program. So no the emails aren't redundant because to the best of my knowledge there are no Hippo Emails. I helped set up the Hippo system on the Web and I don't remember seeing an option to send emails BUT I could be incorrect. In my opinion EM's shouldn't have to go to a land scanner page. If it's not broke don't fix it. We've NEVER had an issue with Timo's Landscanner sending emails to Estate Managers. I don't want to have to do step 1, 2, and 3 when all I need to do is complete step 1. By forcing an individual to do more work than necessary you're asking for the work not getting done.

Now I'll explain why I feel it is an issue that only Sudane, Ceasar, and Bags are getting these emails and none of the rest of the Estate Managers are. Timo' landscanner sends an email for ALL changes of ownership of parcels whether its a sale, giveaway, or government worker needing access for whatever reason. The main reason for the email in my opinion is so all Estate Managers know someone made a purchase and who the person is. This way we can visit the parcel, welcome the new citizen, but most importantly to make sure that not only did they purchase the parcel but also that they have submitted their tier to the Hippo vendor which gives them a few notecards introducing them to the CDS.

Another example is the issue of transparency. If Tor sells his parcel to a new citizen that email will alert me of the transaction so I can make sure Tor received a refund from Hippo and that the new citizen is now the payer of tier in Hippo. I'm sorry but I don't want to have to go through extra steps to perform my VOLUNTARY duties as an Estate Manager. Be thankful that any of us are volunteering our time and quit trying to make our work harder than needed.

This is exactly the case, as Trebor has stated it. It is, or was, the main function of the Estate Managers. Ceasar has used his Chancellor power to restrict information so that it is less transparent to more people what is happening with the land transfers. Why does he not live up to his campaign of team work mattering?

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Trebor Warcliffe wrote:

Bags stated: "Answer as I understand it: Sudane told Ceasar that Hippo emails put a demand on the sim server and since we have a land scanner which reports exactly the same information on this page:
http://www.tospitimou.com/landscanner/v ... ontext=CDS , the emails would be redundant while causing extra burden on the sim. EMs are encouraged to make it a habit to check the land scanner page. I have been endeavoring to schedule a meeting with all the EMs to go over these things but that meeting has not happened yet. Fortunately, we are full up with very few abandoned parcels, even if Trebor had been receiving emails, his inbox would have been mostly empty. The Chancellor's office has had to (by law) reclaim a few parcels due to tier not being paid, so those land transfers would have been emailed (but required no response, so not really necessary, since the emails just would have showed the Chancellor and EM transfers required to reclaim parcels and prepare them to be sold)."

There are no emails generated from Hippo. The emails that have ALWAYS been sent to each Estate Manager for as long as I've been here is the emails from Timo's Landscanner Program. So no the emails aren't redundant because to the best of my knowledge there are no Hippo Emails. I helped set up the Hippo system on the Web and I don't remember seeing an option to send emails BUT I could be incorrect. In my opinion EM's shouldn't have to go to a land scanner page. If it's not broke don't fix it. We've NEVER had an issue with Timo's Landscanner sending emails to Estate Managers. I don't want to have to do step 1, 2, and 3 when all I need to do is complete step 1. By forcing an individual to do more work than necessary you're asking for the work not getting done.

Now I'll explain why I feel it is an issue that only Sudane, Ceasar, and Bags are getting these emails and none of the rest of the Estate Managers are. Timo' landscanner sends an email for ALL changes of ownership of parcels whether its a sale, giveaway, or government worker needing access for whatever reason. The main reason for the email in my opinion is so all Estate Managers know someone made a purchase and who the person is. This way we can visit the parcel, welcome the new citizen, but most importantly to make sure that not only did they purchase the parcel but also that they have submitted their tier to the Hippo vendor which gives them a few notecards introducing them to the CDS.

Another example is the issue of transparency. If Tor sells his parcel to a new citizen that email will alert me of the transaction so I can make sure Tor received a refund from Hippo and that the new citizen is now the payer of tier in Hippo. I'm sorry but I don't want to have to go through extra steps to perform my VOLUNTARY duties as an Estate Manager. Be thankful that any of us are volunteering our time and quit trying to make our work harder than needed.

The information from the landscanner is IDENTICAL to the information in the Hippo - so all I hear you saying, Trebor, is it is too much trouble to visit a webpage versus look at your email. That really doesn't make any sense. Maybe it wasn't the Hippo that caused the burden, maybe it was the landscanner - I am quoting from memory - the part I remember distinctly is that the emails caused a burden on the sim. All these things you said just now, did you explain them to Ceasar when you asked him about it? What we've seen in the transcript you posted didn't include any of this. It helps to remember we are all on the same side.

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Trebor.

As I explained in my answer during the G Q H you now work with a new administration and as such there is legally likely to be different ways of doing things. After reading Bagheera's follow up to my answer I'd suggest you encourage or even assist your supervisor in setting up the meeting she spoke of in order to go over the new procedures. How can you know what your job is or what they expect of you? This is a new administration entirely. Has someone said you are to receive emails then go check on new citizens in your job description ? Maybe the executive team is organizing things differently than what you are used to in the past when you and tor were chancellors for three years. I know that's your only perspective on how things happen in CDS amf i undersgand why this would be frustrating for you but from a RA member I can say that the law allows the executive to set his or her team up however they see fit and at the moment.the EMs are appointed by the executive to do what the executive says. If you know of a law that says otherwise can you please share it.

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To be fair to Trebor, he did get back to me - unfortunately, as you know, Cleo - Saturday was a traumatic day for me RL so I was unable to hold any meetings with the EMs. My apologies. It was not Trebor's fault.

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Trebor.

As I explained in my answer during the G Q H you now work with a new administration and as such there is legally likely to be different ways of doing things. After reading Bagheera's follow up to my answer I'd suggest you encourage or even assist your supervisor in setting up the meeting she spoke of in order to go over the new procedures. How can you know what your job is or what they expect of you? This is a new administration entirely. Has someone said you are to receive emails then go check on new citizens in your job description ? Maybe the executive team is organizing things differently than what you are used to in the past when you and tor were chancellors for three years. I know that's your only perspective on how things happen in CDS amf i undersgand why this would be frustrating for you but from a RA member I can say that the law allows the executive to set his or her team up however they see fit and at the moment.the EMs are appointed by the executive to do what the executive says. If you know of a law that says otherwise can you please share it.

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Fair enough, I wasn't insinuating that it was his fault. I simply say from an outsider looking in that it seems perhaps there is a lack of Trebor understanding what his duties as an EM are to be.

Bagheera wrote:

To be fair to Trebor, he did get back to me - unfortunately, as you know, Cleo - Saturday was a traumatic day for me RL so I was unable to hold any meetings with the EMs. My apologies. It was not Trebor's fault.

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Trebor.

As I explained in my answer during the G Q H you now work with a new administration and as such there is legally likely to be different ways of doing things. After reading Bagheera's follow up to my answer I'd suggest you encourage or even assist your supervisor in setting up the meeting she spoke of in order to go over the new procedures. How can you know what your job is or what they expect of you? This is a new administration entirely. Has someone said you are to receive emails then go check on new citizens in your job description ? Maybe the executive team is organizing things differently than what you are used to in the past when you and tor were chancellors for three years. I know that's your only perspective on how things happen in CDS amf i undersgand why this would be frustrating for you but from a RA member I can say that the law allows the executive to set his or her team up however they see fit and at the moment.the EMs are appointed by the executive to do what the executive says. If you know of a law that says otherwise can you please share it.

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Bags ... Helpful reply, thank you.

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This is exactly the case, as Trebor has stated it. It is, or was, the main function of the Estate Managers. Ceasar has used his Chancellor power to restrict information so that it is less transparent to more people what is happening with the land transfers. Why does he not live up to his campaign of team work mattering?

Sudane is the Estate Owner, Ceasar and Bags were elected into office by the people. The EMs were NOT, and have NO right to make demands telling those who represent us HOW they are to represent us. I resent that. We elected the office holders to make those decisions, not the EMs.....If the EMs can't live with that, those who can't, simply need to resign or be fired. They speak entirely for themselves, not the people. And in that capacity, it's my opinion that they should not have access to this information in order to make decisions on their on. Let their duties be those they are asked to do by their superiors....the elected Chancellor's office.

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Bags stated: "Answer as I understand it: Sudane told Ceasar that Hippo emails put a demand on the sim server and since we have a land scanner which reports exactly the same information on this page:
http://www.tospitimou.com/landscanner/v ... ontext=CDS , the emails would be redundant while causing extra burden on the sim. EMs are encouraged to make it a habit to check the land scanner page. I have been endeavoring to schedule a meeting with all the EMs to go over these things but that meeting has not happened yet. Fortunately, we are full up with very few abandoned parcels, even if Trebor had been receiving emails, his inbox would have been mostly empty. The Chancellor's office has had to (by law) reclaim a few parcels due to tier not being paid, so those land transfers would have been emailed (but required no response, so not really necessary, since the emails just would have showed the Chancellor and EM transfers required to reclaim parcels and prepare them to be sold)."

There are no emails generated from Hippo. The emails that have ALWAYS been sent to each Estate Manager for as long as I've been here is the emails from Timo's Landscanner Program. So no the emails aren't redundant because to the best of my knowledge there are no Hippo Emails. I helped set up the Hippo system on the Web and I don't remember seeing an option to send emails BUT I could be incorrect. In my opinion EM's shouldn't have to go to a land scanner page. If it's not broke don't fix it. We've NEVER had an issue with Timo's Landscanner sending emails to Estate Managers. I don't want to have to do step 1, 2, and 3 when all I need to do is complete step 1. By forcing an individual to do more work than necessary you're asking for the work not getting done.

Now I'll explain why I feel it is an issue that only Sudane, Ceasar, and Bags are getting these emails and none of the rest of the Estate Managers are. Timo' landscanner sends an email for ALL changes of ownership of parcels whether its a sale, giveaway, or government worker needing access for whatever reason. The main reason for the email in my opinion is so all Estate Managers know someone made a purchase and who the person is. This way we can visit the parcel, welcome the new citizen, but most importantly to make sure that not only did they purchase the parcel but also that they have submitted their tier to the Hippo vendor which gives them a few notecards introducing them to the CDS.

Another example is the issue of transparency. If Tor sells his parcel to a new citizen that email will alert me of the transaction so I can make sure Tor received a refund from Hippo and that the new citizen is now the payer of tier in Hippo. I'm sorry but I don't want to have to go through extra steps to perform my VOLUNTARY duties as an Estate Manager. Be thankful that any of us are volunteering our time and quit trying to make our work harder than needed.

The information from the landscanner is IDENTICAL to the information in the Hippo - so all I hear you saying, Trebor, is it is too much trouble to visit a webpage versus look at your email. That really doesn't make any sense. Maybe it wasn't the Hippo that caused the burden, maybe it was the landscanner - I am quoting from memory - the part I remember distinctly is that the emails caused a burden on the sim. All these things you said just now, did you explain them to Ceasar when you asked him about it? What we've seen in the transcript you posted didn't include any of this. It helps to remember we are all on the same side.

Sorry Bags but you are mistaken. IF SOMEONE BUYS A PARCEL AND DOES NOT PAY THE HIPPO THAN GUESS WHAT, THE HIPPO DOESNT HAVE THEIR INFORMATION.

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JerryDon Lane wrote:

Sudane is the Estate Owner, Ceasar and Bags were elected into office by the people. The EMs were NOT, and have NO right to make demands telling those who represent us HOW they are to represent us. I resent that. We elected the office holders to make those decisions, not the EMs.

Just a clarification, Bags was not elected, her office is not an electable office. She was an add on to the chancellor's platform, appointed just as the EMs were.

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JerryDon Lane wrote:
Rosie Gray wrote:

This is exactly the case, as Trebor has stated it. It is, or was, the main function of the Estate Managers. Ceasar has used his Chancellor power to restrict information so that it is less transparent to more people what is happening with the land transfers. Why does he not live up to his campaign of team work mattering?

Sudane is the Estate Owner, Ceasar and Bags were elected into office by the people. The EMs were NOT, and have NO right to make demands telling those who represent us HOW they are to represent us. I resent that. We elected the office holders to make those decisions, not the EMs.....If the EMs can't live with that, those who can't, simply need to resign or be fired. They speak entirely for themselves, not the people. And in that capacity, it's my opinion that they should not have access to this information in order to make decisions on their on. Let their duties be those they are asked to do by their superiors....the elected Chancellor's office.

You are incorrect Jerrydon, Bags was not elected into office, she was appointed by Ceasar.

Who are these 'people' you keep claiming to be protecting anyway? Your girlfriend, Cleo, and ... well who?

The 'people' did speak when they elected me to RA, and they did NOT elect you JerryDon.

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Bagheera wrote:
Trebor Warcliffe wrote:

Bags stated: "Answer as I understand it: Sudane told Ceasar that Hippo emails put a demand on the sim server and since we have a land scanner which reports exactly the same information on this page:
http://www.tospitimou.com/landscanner/v ... ontext=CDS , the emails would be redundant while causing extra burden on the sim. EMs are encouraged to make it a habit to check the land scanner page. I have been endeavoring to schedule a meeting with all the EMs to go over these things but that meeting has not happened yet. Fortunately, we are full up with very few abandoned parcels, even if Trebor had been receiving emails, his inbox would have been mostly empty. The Chancellor's office has had to (by law) reclaim a few parcels due to tier not being paid, so those land transfers would have been emailed (but required no response, so not really necessary, since the emails just would have showed the Chancellor and EM transfers required to reclaim parcels and prepare them to be sold)."

There are no emails generated from Hippo. The emails that have ALWAYS been sent to each Estate Manager for as long as I've been here is the emails from Timo's Landscanner Program. So no the emails aren't redundant because to the best of my knowledge there are no Hippo Emails. I helped set up the Hippo system on the Web and I don't remember seeing an option to send emails BUT I could be incorrect. In my opinion EM's shouldn't have to go to a land scanner page. If it's not broke don't fix it. We've NEVER had an issue with Timo's Landscanner sending emails to Estate Managers. I don't want to have to do step 1, 2, and 3 when all I need to do is complete step 1. By forcing an individual to do more work than necessary you're asking for the work not getting done.

Now I'll explain why I feel it is an issue that only Sudane, Ceasar, and Bags are getting these emails and none of the rest of the Estate Managers are. Timo' landscanner sends an email for ALL changes of ownership of parcels whether its a sale, giveaway, or government worker needing access for whatever reason. The main reason for the email in my opinion is so all Estate Managers know someone made a purchase and who the person is. This way we can visit the parcel, welcome the new citizen, but most importantly to make sure that not only did they purchase the parcel but also that they have submitted their tier to the Hippo vendor which gives them a few notecards introducing them to the CDS.

Another example is the issue of transparency. If Tor sells his parcel to a new citizen that email will alert me of the transaction so I can make sure Tor received a refund from Hippo and that the new citizen is now the payer of tier in Hippo. I'm sorry but I don't want to have to go through extra steps to perform my VOLUNTARY duties as an Estate Manager. Be thankful that any of us are volunteering our time and quit trying to make our work harder than needed.

The information from the landscanner is IDENTICAL to the information in the Hippo - so all I hear you saying, Trebor, is it is too much trouble to visit a webpage versus look at your email. That really doesn't make any sense. Maybe it wasn't the Hippo that caused the burden, maybe it was the landscanner - I am quoting from memory - the part I remember distinctly is that the emails caused a burden on the sim. All these things you said just now, did you explain them to Ceasar when you asked him about it? What we've seen in the transcript you posted didn't include any of this. It helps to remember we are all on the same side.

Sorry Bags but you are mistaken. IF SOMEONE BUYS A PARCEL AND DOES NOT PAY THE HIPPO THAN GUESS WHAT, THE HIPPO DOESNT HAVE THEIR INFORMATION.

Pretty sad when those in charge know less than the people they represent. Though I have literally hundreds upon hundreds of VOLUNTEER hours as a citizen and a two-term Chancellor where I was deeply involved in the infrastructure of our community and contributed directly to the CDS. Not spending time working on my retail establishment that I don't even have in the CDS but at another sim. All of my interests in the CDS have been for exactly that, the CDS. Nothing I've done has been for self gain except for a thank you and a proud sense of accomplishment.

So back to the topic at hand. Earlier today I was having a wonderful in-world conversation with Cleo (being very sarcastic here). We were talking about Bags incorrect statement that the information from the land scanner is IDENTICAL to the information in the Hippo. Cleo correctly pointed out that the land scanner did the parcels and the Hippo does the tier.

Now in my original post I stated "another example of transparency. If Tor sells his parcel to a new citizen that email will alert me of the transaction so I can make sure Tor received a refund from Hippo and that the new citizen is now the payer of tier in Hippo. I'm sorry but I don't want to have to go through extra steps to perform my VOLUNTARY duties as an Estate Manager. Be thankful that any of us are volunteering our time and quit trying to make our work harder than needed." Now here's the funny part. She states that if Tor had an issue with his refund he could ask, which is true. Who would he ask, most likely an Estate Manager. So she continues stating that my example has NOTHING to do with transparency at all.

Now here is the part that almost caused me to spill my beer. Cleo tells me that it's impossible to pay tier for someone else and that if it is possible than she doesn't know how to do it. So now instead of using my Tor example to explain TRANSPARENCY I will be direct and to the point.

A current citizen (A) sells their private parcel to another individual (B), doesn't matter if its a new citizen or someone already here. So now the parcel is in B's name and this is reflected correctly from the land scanner. (A) however does not remove themselves from the Hippo tier and continues to pay the tier on the parcel. Doesn't this scenario sound rather familiar? Cleo claims she didn't know this before I told her today? Sorry but it doesn't take a genius to figure this one out, :lol:

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Thank you for catching my odd form of dyslexia. When I say "Hippo," I meant whatever that whole process that makes a land transaction happen and since what was relative to answering the issue was a) email & b) burden on the sim; those two elements remain unchanged whether I call it Hippo, landscanner or rhinocerous.

Trebor, I recommended you as an Estate Manager to Ceasar due to your investment of time towards figuring out how to get a new sim and your knowledge and enthusiasm. The current issue about emails, I will tell you, there are hardly any at the moment. From what I heard about your original chat with Ceasar, it was late at night for him and he was originally thinking it was a conversation he could finish in the next day or so with you at that time....then you lost your temper ou t of the blue. Well, we are all human. Trebor, instead of demanding an immediate answer to a decidedly non-pressing issue, the rational approach would be to talk to Ceasar when you are both awake and have the time set aside for the conversation.

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Bagheera wrote:
Trebor Warcliffe wrote:

Bags stated: "Answer as I understand it: Sudane told Ceasar that Hippo emails put a demand on the sim server and since we have a land scanner which reports exactly the same information on this page:
http://www.tospitimou.com/landscanner/v ... ontext=CDS , the emails would be redundant while causing extra burden on the sim. EMs are encouraged to make it a habit to check the land scanner page. I have been endeavoring to schedule a meeting with all the EMs to go over these things but that meeting has not happened yet. Fortunately, we are full up with very few abandoned parcels, even if Trebor had been receiving emails, his inbox would have been mostly empty. The Chancellor's office has had to (by law) reclaim a few parcels due to tier not being paid, so those land transfers would have been emailed (but required no response, so not really necessary, since the emails just would have showed the Chancellor and EM transfers required to reclaim parcels and prepare them to be sold)."

There are no emails generated from Hippo. The emails that have ALWAYS been sent to each Estate Manager for as long as I've been here is the emails from Timo's Landscanner Program. So no the emails aren't redundant because to the best of my knowledge there are no Hippo Emails. I helped set up the Hippo system on the Web and I don't remember seeing an option to send emails BUT I could be incorrect. In my opinion EM's shouldn't have to go to a land scanner page. If it's not broke don't fix it. We've NEVER had an issue with Timo's Landscanner sending emails to Estate Managers. I don't want to have to do step 1, 2, and 3 when all I need to do is complete step 1. By forcing an individual to do more work than necessary you're asking for the work not getting done.

Now I'll explain why I feel it is an issue that only Sudane, Ceasar, and Bags are getting these emails and none of the rest of the Estate Managers are. Timo' landscanner sends an email for ALL changes of ownership of parcels whether its a sale, giveaway, or government worker needing access for whatever reason. The main reason for the email in my opinion is so all Estate Managers know someone made a purchase and who the person is. This way we can visit the parcel, welcome the new citizen, but most importantly to make sure that not only did they purchase the parcel but also that they have submitted their tier to the Hippo vendor which gives them a few notecards introducing them to the CDS.

Another example is the issue of transparency. If Tor sells his parcel to a new citizen that email will alert me of the transaction so I can make sure Tor received a refund from Hippo and that the new citizen is now the payer of tier in Hippo. I'm sorry but I don't want to have to go through extra steps to perform my VOLUNTARY duties as an Estate Manager. Be thankful that any of us are volunteering our time and quit trying to make our work harder than needed.

The information from the landscanner is IDENTICAL to the information in the Hippo - so all I hear you saying, Trebor, is it is too much trouble to visit a webpage versus look at your email. That really doesn't make any sense. Maybe it wasn't the Hippo that caused the burden, maybe it was the landscanner - I am quoting from memory - the part I remember distinctly is that the emails caused a burden on the sim. All these things you said just now, did you explain them to Ceasar when you asked him about it? What we've seen in the transcript you posted didn't include any of this. It helps to remember we are all on the same side.

Bags,

I seriously doubt emails sent occasionally by a land scanner causes any burden on the sim. And yes one might look at a website. However, the email alert is up front and visible. Why would one necessarily check a website for a land transfer that might have happened, especially when land transfers are an intermittent and rather infrequent action. You wouldn't, nobody would work that way.

Trebor is indeed correct, without this information quickly at hand, land transfers, especially private land transfers will be missed by EM and Hippo administrators. In my opinion making sure the Hippo data is correct as soon as possible ensures that issues over tier are kept to a minimum and more easily untangled. One issue of glaring importance that must be avoided is the a person potentially disenfranchised for not having paid the tier on the land recently purchased. Oooo, I can just imagine the gnashing of teeth and forum posts resulting from such an issue.

Two things come to mind. First, if it is so easy to work solely from the website and and the scanner creates an unreasonably burden on the sim server, then the Chancellor and you, Bags, don't need the emails either. Stop using them. Save us from the undo burden.

Second, quite frankly, Bags, you never understood the Hippo system and relied on me to take care of the issues that arose with it. I can remember several instances where I helped citizens complete land transfers. I suspect other EMs during your Admin helped citizens as well, mostly because you did not understand Hippo or were busy with your plan for LA and they were dedicated servants to CDS.

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