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Re: An apology

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Calli, can we close this thread? It started as a simple and sincere apology from me to CDS, until some mean-spirited people hijacked the thread. I don't mind the criticism and if they feel that strongly about it they should open up a new thread. But here, it is really off-topic. ty

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Re: An apology

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Before we apply a covenant analysis of the theatre, perhaps we should also look at the Renaissance-themed buildings in Colonia Nova proper, our bizarre interpretation of a Roman Praetorium, our several bizarre Roman "shops" that are not classically inspired, or even one's own peristyle that is devoid of any columns, or the bizarre concepts of villae or palaces over the past years in Colonia Nova.

Hint: none of them look as Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium would have looked like 120 CE. I could make a report, if you would like, CLEOPATRA. :D

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I am happy to open a new thread about the Amphitheater, I believe no one is being mean spirited. What you build is not you. No one called you any names or said anything about you. The subject is the amphitheater, which is in your first post.

Cadence Theas wrote:

Calli, can we close this thread? It started as a simple and sincere apology from me to CDS, until some mean-spirited people hijacked the thread. I don't mind the criticism and if they feel that strongly about it they should open up a new thread. But here, it is really off-topic. ty

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I don't think they had this kind of foam in 120 AD . The terraforming of the parcel was done after Brians Amphitheater was removed.

[quote="Cadence Theas"]Cleo,

Why, it is so obvious why the stage is the way it is...it is so the ballerinas don't get splinters in their feet when they perform there. In fact, under the stage there is a hardish all-weather foam so that there is some cushion to the stage to absorb the dancers leaps.

What concerns me is that no where in the new chancellor's budget for this term is there a listing for expenditures for stage maintenance. This is a grave omission and one we can address in Friday's meeting when we look at the budget, because as you correctly point out, the stage is exposed to the elements all the time.

For the record, I did not do any terraforming. I adapted the amphitheater to the natural contour that was presented to me when I started building. And as I explained before, the bowl shape is to reduce the effects of the textures all over the sim on the actual performance space. You will have to ask the experts as to the science behind texture and lag.

[quote="cleopatraxigalia"]This is only my personal opinion Widget, thanks for asking. Compliance with CDS covenents is not science keep in mind. Much of the covenant wording is vague and open to several interpretations.

I'll answer first how I think it violates the RA vote that prompted the rebuild. The RA vote required thw rebuild allow for rezzing "rides". Even if the build was able to be put in a rezzer and used as a temporary build, the terraform ing done by cadence this is not feasible. I suppose you could put a platform at ground level and rez them. Eh poor solution at best amd won't give the fairground a fair opportunity to look it's best.

The theme in Colonia Nova is 120 AD. It is not time frame indeterminate like NFS. The amphitheater rebuild has a physically implausible in 120 AD stage and lighting it also has a darkly stained wood brand new stage floor that is so out of context with the attempt at a weathered looking Stone 1. The STAGE Floor Seems Brand New AND Woukd NOT Weather THE ELEMENTS. The stage texture has no variation on it so unless the wood was stained the day we visit I don't think in Germany you can put wood stages outside and leave them. So is it a 120 ad Stone structure that has been adapted to modern day ? Well, that's not the theme in CN. Not in public buildings. We are not in an interior of a build In the space either. The tables and chairs are not either 120 AD roman outpost I n Germany either. I think the stone that cadence used is ok. But it is so uniform that if we are in modern day times looking back to 120 AD , well , it would have weathered in a different way. I want to make this clear. I do ahem political issues with Cadence. No denying that. The issues I have with the amphitheater are completely separate from this. This space is the largest public open space in all five Sims. Colonia nova was the first place I owned land in CDS and what brought me here. This build is poorly built ( the seating is sub standard ) and doesn't fit in to the rest of CN, breaks the law that put it there and violates the CN covenents in that it is not visually 120 AD roman outpost in germany. As I said CN is not time frame indeterminate. The physical structure if the build should be in theme. It is not.

I actually like many of cadences builds as she well knows I have complemented her more times than complained about her style and design. In another location this amphitheater and nude beach may be okay. In Colonia nova it gets a big thumbs down for me. For even more reasons than in this post. We can do much better than this for CDS.

I appreciate the guild directed her building so is this what the guild sees as quality work to enhance CDS and our stays on the grid. This parcel is one of the most important in CDS in terms of grid wide promotion potential. What the guild has done ri it limits its use and I give it failing marks all.around

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Cadence says ::: What concerns me is that no where in the new chancellor's budget for this term is there a listing for expenditures for stage maintenance. This is a grave omission and one we can address in Friday's meeting when we look at the budget, because as you correctly point out, the stage is exposed to the elements all the time.

huh?

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COLONIA NOVA

Colonia Nova is inspired by the town Colonia Agrippina (modern-day Cologne), as it was in 120 AD.

Sim wide covenant for Colonia Nova.

The modern structures we see in the Amphitheater would not be present in 120 AD. That is the most important point. And very easy to fix.

The "bowl shape" that someone dug in the ground there is prohibitive to the law that commissioned the build to be followed. And if the reason is "textures" and lag, as you say, that becomes a moot point when you rez a scripted peacock and a bunch of flowers and trees and statues with way more texture burden than the thing that is in the ground.
I do not know why you are taking this so personally Cadence. The Guild was the responsible party for the build, not you. The law passed named the Guild, it did not name Cadence Theas.

relax ... you are a good builder, I just personally think the Amphitheater is not as good as it could be for CDS in all the ways I describe above, it violates the law written to put it there, it violates covenants AND it is physically implausible.. it also does not serve as a good use of land to put to use for CDS. It is NOT personal to you .

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Well, if it is "inspired" by Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium, then there shouldn't be an amphitheatre. Historians are only aware of a playhouse - which has not been discovered except for in the written corpus - and not an amphitheatre.
http://www.livius.org/cn-cs/cologne/cologne.html

So clearly the covenant is not a valid document to be applying to Ara Ubiorum's 'inspiration' for our own Colonia Nova — when the 'inspiration' means complete 'imagination'!
As I understand it, too, Cadence was joking above about ballerinas, splinters, and special foam....

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Guillaume Mistwalker wrote:

As I understand it, too, Cadence was joking above about ballerinas, splinters, and special foam....

Yes, I was. Too bad I don't have the same techniques as Larry, Curly and Moe.

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cleopatraxigalia wrote:

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Cadence says ::: What concerns me is that no where in the new chancellor's budget for this term is there a listing for expenditures for stage maintenance. This is a grave omission and one we can address in Friday's meeting when we look at the budget, because as you correctly point out, the stage is exposed to the elements all the time.

huh?

:D I thought maybe it was some kind of joke I didn't just get the humor of......But if she is really wanting the RA to discuss budgeting to insure there is no pixle weathering to the AT stage......it can't be just a joke I guess.

Cadence: You probably oughtta start learning how professionals conduct business. I can assure you that posting like this in the forums is NOT the way it's done.

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Admittedly, JerryDon, you would not be the first person I would get lessons on how to conduct one's self professionally on a forum. :wink:

Most professionals don't call other citizens "trolls" or call each other stupid. Perhaps the professional thing to do is to look at the reality of the situation and see that CLEO's argument has little merit when the covenant's "inspiration" clause is terribly observed by everyone across the board.

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cleopatraxigalia wrote:

Sim wide covenant for Colonia Nova.

The modern structures we see in the Amphitheater would not be present in 120 AD. That is the most important point. And very easy to fix.

The "bowl shape" that someone dug in the ground there is prohibitive to the law that commissioned the build to be followed. And if the reason is "textures" and lag, as you say, that becomes a moot point when you rez a scripted peacock and a bunch of flowers and trees and statues with way more texture burden than the thing that is in the ground.
I do not know why you are taking this so personally Cadence. The Guild was the responsible party for the build, not you. The law passed named the Guild, it did not name Cadence Theas.

relax ... you are a good builder, I just personally think the Amphitheater is not as good as it could be for CDS in all the ways I describe above, it violates the law written to put it there, it violates covenants AND it is physically implausible.. it also does not serve as a good use of land to put to use for CDS. It is NOT personal to you .

Why is this even an issue? The ampitheatre was rebuilt ages ago. It looks great! I really don't see what the problem is. A fairground? That was a truly dumb idea. What were people smoking when they came up with that one? It's not exactly in theme or compliant with the covenants.

I think the RA should regularise this situation by confirming that Cadence's build is appropriate for the rebuilt Ampitheatre and put this beyond doubt. I'd hate to see good work torn down and some crappy build replace it.

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Just a reminder that the ampthitheatre was approved by the Chancellor, Tor at the time.

The ampthitheatre was built using a real ancient ampthitheatre as inpiration, and the modern pieces are meant to be put into a rezzer so they can be de-rezzed when necessary. Cadence needs to finish that piece still. It is a HUGE improvement over the old ampthitheatre - not because it wasn't a good build in its day, it was, but because it was very 'old-school' building for SL. I think Cadence did a very nice job on making a useable, attractive theatre space that we can all be proud of.

I do encourage her to get the pieces into the rezzer though and the build packed up for Archie.

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Patroklus Murakami wrote:

Why is this even an issue? The ampitheatre was rebuilt ages ago. It looks great! I really don't see what the problem is. A fairground? That was a truly dumb idea. What were people smoking when they came up with that one? It's not exactly in theme or compliant with the covenants.

I think the RA should regularise this situation by confirming that Cadence's build is appropriate for the rebuilt Ampitheatre and put this beyond doubt. I'd hate to see good work torn down and some crappy build replace it.

You'll have to ask Calli what she was smoking, Pat. Why not do some research of your own instead of coming in here and spewing ignorant insults without understanding the history?

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Rosie Gray wrote:

Just a reminder that the ampthitheatre was approved by the Chancellor, Tor at the time.

The ampthitheatre was built using a real ancient ampthitheatre as inpiration, and the modern pieces are meant to be put into a rezzer so they can be de-rezzed when necessary. Cadence needs to finish that piece still. It is a HUGE improvement over the old ampthitheatre - not because it wasn't a good build in its day, it was, but because it was very 'old-school' building for SL. I think Cadence did a very nice job on making a useable, attractive theatre space that we can all be proud of.

I do encourage her to get the pieces into the rezzer though and the build packed up for Archie.

The amphitheater was commissioned by the RA, who didn't get anything close to what they expected or suitable for the use for which it had been commissioned. A few days back, Cadence wrote that she was told it had to be in a bowl shape to protect events from outside textures from the rest of the sim...this is the FIRST I heard of that specification. I understand the reason behind it, but a bowl wasn't the only solution and a it certainly was never explained to the RA who commissioned the work. I remember Shep coming to me in shock saying "have you seen the new amphitheater?" and took me to see it. At this point, I cannot blame Cadence, who was only following instructions given to her by the Guild, who didn't give the same instructions the Guild had been given by the RA.

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There has been a lot of finger-pointing lately...

Why don't we all become accustomed to this fact: the new amphitheatre has existed for many months now, across three (if not more) chancellor's terms, and it is only becoming an issue now out of political spite. Clearly if it was wrong and the specifications were not right and it truly bothered some, it should have become an issue before now.

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