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It has brought to my attention that there are two CDS groups, CDS and Land Verwaltung, that allow for special privileges such as rezzing objects on common land or group land, and setting home to common land and group land as well. In principle, all well and good. But here is the issue, if you look at the list of members of these two groups, there are some people who are not citizens in CDS, or who were and have since left CDS. This means that people who do not have or no longer have a vested interest in CDS can, nevertheless, set their home setting and rez objects on common or LV group land. This represents a potential liability for CDS which, so far, fortunately, has not been abused.

I think this is an issue that should be brought up in the RA, a CDS and LV groups reform which rewrites the categories of membership of the two groups, and rethinks the privileges for each category. For example, there is no reason why a Friend of CDS should be able to set CDS as their home destination. Maybe there should also be a biannual purge of the groups' membership lists, so that they reflect the CDS citizen list at that moment.

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Hi Cadence - As I've said elsewhere, at the moment, there are about a dozen folks with Citizen status in the CDS group who are not listed on the most recent – July – Census. Some recent citizens – welcome! – can be verified and some more will likely be listed on this month's census.

From past experience, the work of cross-checking with the Census and changing status back to Friends might take 30 min. Once brought up to date, it ought to take less time to keep the CDS group roles current. Seems reasonable to do it monthly, following the posting of the Census.

The LV group is, as I understand it, different. Some non-citizens appear there because their involvement with us, e.g. as performers or program producers, requires it. They are effectively vouched for by those of us who 'employ' them. Looking at the list, I see names I associate with Abby and Molly's work on our behalf and one who helps me produce Virtually Speaking. So perhaps it is the job of someone on the Chancellor's team to keep current with people and roles on the LV list.

... an issue that should be brought up in the RA, a CDS and LV groups reform which rewrites the categories of membership of the two groups, and rethinks the privileges for each category. For example, there is no reason why a Friend of CDS should be able to set CDS as their home destination. Maybe there should also be a biannual purge of the groups' membership lists, so that they reflect the CDS citizen list at that moment.

It certainly wouldn't hurt to review roles and privileges. One I'd like to see shared more widely, or specifically assigned to a person who will do it regularly, is the ability to reassign roles, as I've talked above.

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Cadence Theas wrote:

For example, there is no reason why a Friend of CDS should be able to set CDS as their home destination.

Is that really a bad thing? My sims in InWorldz, I allow pretty much anyone to set as home. Safe place to log into or TP back to if something is going on, especially for new folk that don't have a home yet. I have a huge member list yet only a portion of those residents -- is there some sort of danger I'm overlooking in allowing that? I sort of thought it was helpful. Allowing one with no home to call a spot in my sims home, might encourage them to take up residence there when they do need a home. They don't have rezz abilities. Just ability to call it home.

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The key factor here is that the LV group is an actual owner of land... it owns the public land of the community. So the permissions of its members relate to the usage of that land.

The CDS group may have many other "abilities", but land usage will not be among them.

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Moonrise Azalee wrote:
Cadence Theas wrote:

For example, there is no reason why a Friend of CDS should be able to set CDS as their home destination.

Is that really a bad thing? My sims in InWorldz, I allow pretty much anyone to set as home. Safe place to log into or TP back to if something is going on, especially for new folk that don't have a home yet. I have a huge member list yet only a portion of those residents -- is there some sort of danger I'm overlooking in allowing that? I sort of thought it was helpful. Allowing one with no home to call a spot in my sims home, might encourage them to take up residence there when they do need a home. They don't have rezz abilities. Just ability to call it home.

Allowing someone to set their home point to CDS, I think is good "marketing" actually. You might get someone who is a Friend eventually become a citizen, too! Plus, what's the harm.

I will mark my calendar, Moonrise and I agree completely! :-D

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Bromo Ivory wrote:

I will mark my calendar, Moonrise and I agree completely! :-D

Heeyyy, we've had total agreement before. I'm sure of it! Avatars with furry ears may have been within that convo I think - and besides, partial agreements count, don't they?

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Bromo Ivory wrote:
Moonrise Azalee wrote:
Cadence Theas wrote:

For example, there is no reason why a Friend of CDS should be able to set CDS as their home destination.

Is that really a bad thing? My sims in InWorldz, I allow pretty much anyone to set as home. Safe place to log into or TP back to if something is going on, especially for new folk that don't have a home yet. I have a huge member list yet only a portion of those residents -- is there some sort of danger I'm overlooking in allowing that? I sort of thought it was helpful. Allowing one with no home to call a spot in my sims home, might encourage them to take up residence there when they do need a home. They don't have rezz abilities. Just ability to call it home.

Allowing someone to set their home point to CDS, I think is good "marketing" actually. You might get someone who is a Friend eventually become a citizen, too! Plus, what's the harm.

Ok, I stand corrected on the Friends of CDS part, but it might be a good idea to assign one of the EMs to monthly go over and purge and/or correct the CDS list. The LV group is the more delicate issue because it has more privileges.

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I agree that there is no harm in allowing 'set to home' for Friends of CDS, and there might be potential gain from it.

One of the problems with maintaining both of the groups is that there are people who have privilege to add members to both groups, and set them to something other than the all role, such as 'Citizen' in the CDS group. However, only a very few have permissions to remove people from those roles, and from the the groups entirely. This is understandable, because we certainly wouldn't want someone just deciding without validity that they would boot someone from a role or a group, but it does mean that those who have those privileges need to be vigilent and do the work of maintenance on an ongoing and timely basis.

Without being logged in to double-check, I remember that in both groups it is Ceasar and possibly Bags, and the owners of the group, who can do this maintenance work. One of the odd things about the group ownership (think it is LV group), is that Jamie Palisades is an owner, but he's not even a citizen anymore, and possibly gone from SL altogether.

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Rosie Gray wrote:

Without being logged in to double-check, I remember that in both groups it is Ceasar and possibly Bags, and the owners of the group, who can do this maintenance work. One of the odd things about the group ownership (think it is LV group), is that Jamie Palisades is an owner, but he's not even a citizen anymore, and possibly gone from SL altogether.

I cannot remove people from the CDS group, only from LV.

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Bags, can you change roles from citizen to friend?

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Only Sonja Strom, Jamie Palisades, Rudeen Edo, Claude Desmoulins (group owners) and Ceasar Xigalia can remove members from roles in the CDS group.
This info is available for anybody. You only have to look at Roles and Abilities in CDS group info

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so who exactly is ALLOWED to have access to this group? Because I just logged in today to find that I have been ejected from Land Verwaltung by Ceasar Xigalia as of Sat Aug 23 12:36:12 2014.
I was under the impression as long as I was a current CDS land holder i was able to have access to this group. I mean after all, we are allowing non citizens access from what was previously posted.

Is this the current chancellor's subtle way of telling me to leave CDS, I mean he did welcome me to CDS a little of a month ago so he is aware of current good standing as a citizen.

What gives? Clue me in because I want to have just as much rights as everyone else. hmmmmmp. (Insert grumpy Cat image here)

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I own land. I am not in the LV group.

I think land ownership and citizenship doesn't make you a LV group member.

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The ONLY purposes for the LV group that I know of are to allow someone to rez on CDS public land, to add someone to the ban list on CDS public land ,or to remove prims from public CDS land.

When I first came to CDS the LV group was used as a way for citizens or guests who were working on CDS projects that required them to build or rez temporarily in CDS. People were not added unless there was a specific reason and then it was temporary. This was to maintain control of what was rezzed on public land as prims are scarce and valuable. Also, it is easy to mistakenly rez prims on public land near our homes thinking they are using OUR prims, but actually taking from the public allotment. It's easy to do this by accident if you have LV group. The executive branch is responsible for the management of this and stray prims, of course people working for the Executive branch need the group for certain things, too. I know Ceasar was returning some stray prims today people had rezzed on public land.

When CDS is full/sold out, there are very limited numbers of prims on the public land to use.

Bells, I know for a fact that Ceasar is still very happy that you are a citizen. He thinks the world of you, he always has :) Like you said, he added you to the CDS group and gave you a citizen tag when you bought a parcel.

Ask him directly please, but I believe Ceasar was cleaning out the LV performers role today and that you were added recently to that for some reason by someone, perhaps by mistake. I can assure you all citizens of CDS are not members of the LV group, nor should they be as far as I know. It is used to allow people to rez on public land only for specific purposes, and temporarily, from what I have always known.

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I think the postings in this thread demonstrate a very clear need to clarify the mission of the two groups, the criteria for membership and what that membership means in terms of the different categories, and the need to set up a more rigorous record keeping so that the groups reflect current memberships and correctly identifies the roles and privileges of each member, and that temporary permissions be just that, temporary.

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