Resignation from PIO Position

[Cadence Theas]

Just start trying to sling mud, won't you?

No Bromo, I am not slinging mud. I am questioning the wisdom of appointing someone to what could be the most visible post in CDS, the chief PIO, who has demonstrated deficiencies in terms of his handling other people, particularly those who are on the other side of the political spectrum. I wonder how well he can represent a multi-national, multi-cultural democratic confederation when his view of democracy is unabashedly and unforgiveably American, and his love it or leave it rhetoric offensive. All I did was take some, and there was a lot to choose from, of his more representative statements to suggest that there are many more people with a less divisive history in CDS who would make an excellent chief PIO.

[Bromo Ivory]

You attempted character assassination the minute his name came up. Characterizing it as mud slinging is the nicest term I could come up with.

And in your very defense you attempt to do so again. Your position as LRA makes you especially responsible for what you day. YOu clearly would like him gone and gone forever. I get it. I bet everyone else in CDS gets it.

I have no idea why you hate him so much. But I suggest that you spend a little time figuring out how to work with him, or you have become part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

So, I suggest figuring out what has made you hate him so much, and then figure out a way to move forward. You are an intelligent person, and capable of reason, so you ought to be able to do this. Given you are one of my representatives, I would expect no less.

Just start trying to sling mud, won't you?

No Bromo, I am not slinging mud. I am questioning the wisdom of appointing someone to what could be the most visible post in CDS, the chief PIO, who has demonstrated deficiencies in terms of his handling other people, particularly those who are on the other side of the political spectrum. I wonder how well he can represent a multi-national, multi-cultural democratic confederation when his view of democracy is unabashedly and unforgiveably American, and his love it or leave it rhetoric offensive. All I did was take some, and there was a lot to choose from, of his more representative statements to suggest that there are many more people with a less divisive history in CDS who would make an excellent chief PIO.

[JerryDon Lane]

Just start trying to sling mud, won't you?

No Bromo, I am not slinging mud. I am questioning the wisdom of appointing someone to what could be the most visible post in CDS, the chief PIO, who has demonstrated deficiencies in terms of his handling other people, particularly those who are on the other side of the political spectrum. I wonder how well he can represent a multi-national, multi-cultural democratic confederation when his view of democracy is unabashedly and unforgiveably American, and his love it or leave it rhetoric offensive. All I did was take some, and there was a lot to choose from, of his more representative statements to suggest that there are many more people with a less divisive history in CDS who would make an excellent chief PIO.

Well, you are about to find out Cadence if it was wise. Only time will tell. And please refrain from further discriminatory statements against Americans, races, sexes, etc. You have at least a suggested history in that area. We all live here together. It would behoove you to learn that people are just people, and all of us are created with equal status.

[Cadence Theas]

So, I suggest figuring out what has made you hate him so much, and then figure out a way to move forward. You are an intelligent person, and capable of reason, so you ought to be able to do this. Given you are one of my representatives, I would expect no less.

Bromo, when I told my husband, who takes a very dim view of SL and thinks it is a complete waste of my time, that there was someone in CDS who called me (and not just me) not once, not twice, but many times a man-hating lesbian (you can check the forum), he looked at me with a very serious look, and asked how on earth could I be part of a social experiment where this sort of behavior was accepted and even condoned by going unpunished. I tried to explain that everything in CDS had its due process, and that there were mechanisms to deal with this sort of thing. He asked then, what sort of person is it who has to reduce himself to that level to “win” an argument. And then I realized that he was right, although you are wrong to use the word “hate”. I don’t hate Jerry. I do question his competence to hold any public office or to represent the best that CDS has to offer. And if due process doesn’t work, I have every right as a person and self-respecting woman to hold him as far away as possible.

[JerryDon Lane]

So, I suggest figuring out what has made you hate him so much, and then figure out a way to move forward. You are an intelligent person, and capable of reason, so you ought to be able to do this. Given you are one of my representatives, I would expect no less.

Bromo, when I told my husband, who takes a very dim view of SL and thinks it is a complete waste of my time, that there was someone in CDS who called me (and not just me) not once, not twice, but many times a man-hating lesbian (you can check the forum), he looked at me with a very serious look, and asked how on earth could I be part of a social experiment where this sort of behavior was accepted and even condoned by going unpunished. I tried to explain that everything in CDS had its due process, and that there were mechanisms to deal with this sort of thing. He asked then, what sort of person is it who has to reduce himself to that level to “win” an argument. And then I realized that he was right, although you are wrong to use the word “hate”. I don’t hate Jerry. I do question his competence to hold any public office or to represent the best that CDS has to offer. And if due process doesn’t work, I have every right as a person and self-respecting woman to hold him as far away as possible.

Why do you continue to talk "about" Jerry rather than directly to him? I am right here and will be glad to address your posts. Are there questions I can clear up for the LRA? I'm happy to do this.

[Bromo Ivory]

Bromo, when I told my husband, who takes a very dim view of SL and thinks it is a complete waste of my time, [...]

For the record my wife and your husband agree about SL.

There is a difference between distancing yourself, and attempting character assassination. I'd say that the record of everyone who posts to the forum is there for all to see if they want to - and if you are distancing yourself, then your response sure fooled me. It seemed that you were attacking. That's not distancing.

[Rosie Gray]

Bromo, why not take some time to review the posts that JerryDon has made on these very forums, and ask yourself honestly - is this person a good choice to represent the CDS? Is it acceptable that someone who lashes out at women in the most vicious verbal manner someone that we want representing our democracy? I for one am quite sure he is not.

[JerryDon Lane]

Bromo, why not take some time to review the posts that JerryDon has made on these very forums, and ask yourself honestly - is this person a good choice to represent the CDS? Is it acceptable that someone who lashes out at women in the most vicious verbal manner someone that we want representing our democracy? I for one am quite sure he is not.

And men too.....When they are sexist or racist....Care to go over the comments in that thread again? You and Cadence are the ones that will not let it die....And yet you are the ones that come across as racists according to anyone I have asked to read that thread--very feminist and anti-male---not representative of the public as a whole---indeed, anti-family...anti-God and anti-everything that common-sense people hold in common as truth...Your prejudices and beliefs run deep...they smack in the face of all known logic and they come back to greet you fancifully with almost every post you make when I am in here.....My dear Rosie. What are you going to do when you and Cadence stand completely alone, are truly anti-everything and have not one supporter left? Hmmmm....I would hope you might learn from some experiences. ...

Yes, I proudly represent democracy.....Read my posts...listen to my speeches....There is no doubt that I represent democracy......I am a former U.S. Marine....I have served myself up to fight for democracy....Also it is tyranny that I would fight and die to defend. I mean that, I don't just mouth it for votes or some power trip as you do in CDS. I will fight you, if you represent tyranny.

So, is it acceptable in regards to your question? It certainly is, but not according to Rosie in the microscopics of it......because she just doesn't get that the people spoke.......They wanted change and change is here....This is where your government is headed by the endorsement of the people. Really ticks you off, doesn't it?

The bottom line is that I'm not sure where your place lies within a true representative democracy. I don't think anyone else is either. Are you? You may have to just back out. Any thoughts on that?

[Garnet Psaltery]

Bromo, why not take some time to review the posts that JerryDon has made on these very forums, and ask yourself honestly - is this person a good choice to represent the CDS? Is it acceptable that someone who lashes out at women in the most vicious verbal manner someone that we want representing our democracy? I for one am quite sure he is not.

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The bottom line is that I'm not sure where your place lies within a true representative democracy. I don't think anyone else is either. Are you? You may have to just back out. Any thoughts on that?

Jerry, I'm not going to address your elided comments, as Rosie and Cadence are the ones to do so, but this last paragraph affects us all. It is not your place to say who belongs and who does not, assuming that "true representative democracy" equates to CDS, and not some separatist world of your own.

[Sudane Erato]

The bottom line is that I'm not sure where your place lies within a true representative democracy. I don't think anyone else is either. Are you? You may have to just back out. Any thoughts on that?

An odd comment from someone who "proudly represents democracy". We presume that you in fact know "where your place lies". Sadly, owing to this being in fact a democracy, you'll find it necessary to accept that while you may not know where her's, or any of our, places lie, we are all just as much a part of it as you are. Calling on people to "back out" is an obnoxious and unacceptable threat.

Sudane.................

[Bromo Ivory]

Bromo, why not take some time to review the posts that JerryDon has made on these very forums, and ask yourself honestly - is this person a good choice to represent the CDS? Is it acceptable that someone who lashes out at women in the most vicious verbal manner someone that we want representing our democracy? I for one am quite sure he is not.

Rosie -

My main issue with this whole thing is that Cadence chose to hijack a resignation topic to turn it into an attacking JD topic.

If she wants to start a separate "attack JD thread" then she should start by doing it in an entirely separate thread. Instead, in her blind rage, chose to wreck Abbyrose's resignation thread where people were congratuating her on a job well done. Abby did a great job, by the way.

I don't care about the words exchanged by them at this point. I might have earlier, but it is clear that Cadence is no better than what she attacks at this juncture. Especially since we're a small enough community that everyone knows everyone else anyway - so there was no news, just axe grinding.

Given the vehemence of her voluntary attack, I also think that there is no chance of reconciliation between the two, which is a shame. Forgiveness is a major element of statepersonship and grace.

But it really isn't fair to Abby to have a topic that was celebrating her successes as a PIO into a base and venal attack of someone else. It does not in my mind show sound judgement, and is at its base rather selfish and self serving.

If Cadence would start a topic of "I think JD is a no-good so-and-so" then the comment would all be germane until the SC locked it.

Bromo

[Bromo Ivory]

Sadly, owing to this being in fact a democracy, [...]

Sudane -

I am not 100% sure at this point we have a true democracy. With so many unaccountable lifetime appointments of key positions within the government, I cannot say we have anything but a partial democracy. I'd love to extend the partial democracy to a full democracy - at least to the point that every position within government was at minimum subject to some sort of affirmation by an elected body or official. (Even the most bureaucratic RL democracies have this oversight).

So ... I'd reword your sentence "Sadly, owing to this being in fact a partial democracy ..."

But I am hopeful that we can do that in time.

[Cadence Theas]

Bromo, why not take some time to review the posts that JerryDon has made on these very forums, and ask yourself honestly - is this person a good choice to represent the CDS? Is it acceptable that someone who lashes out at women in the most vicious verbal manner someone that we want representing our democracy? I for one am quite sure he is not.

If Cadence would start a topic of "I think JD is a no-good so-and-so" then the comment would all be germane until the SC locked it.Bromo

The topic is very germane, a shuffling of the PIOs and the naming of a new chief PIO. I started by thanking Abby and Molly for their excellent work, then pointed out the viability of the new chief PIO appointment. I did not attack, I simply took public domain quotes of the person in question and reposted them. The exact same thing you do with your Inquirer sheet. You are right though, I could have done it in a different thread.

What is a shame, in my opinion, is your argument of blaming the victims. We are the objects of hate speech, and yet, we are the ones attacking when we object to the author of that speech assuming an important public role. Go figure. But this has all been said before, and has only resurfaced because of the new public prominence of the this person. It is just a shame that due process did not work in this case, and we have to relive these comments again.

[Bromo Ivory]

I am not victim blaming, Cadence. Not once have I questioned the validity of your comments, though I did characterize it at character assassination, which is what it is. Whether it is a deserved assassination attempt or not I will leave to the public. I am questioning the time and place for your tirade and it appears JD's reply. You could have easily started a different topic rather than hijack this one.

I actually rather resent your characterizing my saying that you should take this fight elsewhere as victim blaming. You do not know me, nor do you have ANY right to do this.

I would suggest you post up a separate topic containing this subject. Though you have managed to turn Abby's goodbye into a tirade against JD rather successfully., so I am not sure at this point why I am bothering.

Bromo, why not take some time to review the posts that JerryDon has made on these very forums, and ask yourself honestly - is this person a good choice to represent the CDS? Is it acceptable that someone who lashes out at women in the most vicious verbal manner someone that we want representing our democracy? I for one am quite sure he is not.

If Cadence would start a topic of "I think JD is a no-good so-and-so" then the comment would all be germane until the SC locked it.Bromo

The topic is very germane, a shuffling of the PIOs and the naming of a new chief PIO. I started by thanking Abby and Molly for their excellent work, then pointed out the viability of the new chief PIO appointment. I did not attack, I simply took public domain quotes of the person in question and reposted them. The exact same thing you do with your Inquirer sheet. You are right though, I could have done it in a different thread.

What is a shame, in my opinion, is your argument of blaming the victims. We are the objects of hate speech, and yet, we are the ones attacking when we object to the author of that speech assuming an important public role. Go figure. But this has all been said before, and has only resurfaced because of the new public prominence of the this person. It is just a shame that due process did not work in this case, and we have to relive these comments again.

[Cadence Theas]

I am not victim blaming, Cadence. Not once have I questioned the validity of your comments, though I did characterize it at character assassination, which is what it is. Whether it is a deserved assassination attempt or not I will leave to the public. I am questioning the time and place for your tirade and it appears JD's reply. You could have easily started a different topic rather than hijack this one.

When you suggest that a defensive reaction to the new public prominence of an abusive person is “character assassination”, or “attacking” and that it is done in a “blind rage” or that it is a "tirade", you are putting the onus of blame on the victim whether it is your intention or not. I am delighted to know that it was not your intent.

But, I was wrong to hijack this thread, and I offer a truly sincere apology to Abby and Molly for having done so.

I see no need to open a new thread on this topic. Anything further would just be repeating the arguments presented above. And again, I am truly sorry, Abby and Molly.