Altenburg?

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:35 pm

The Simplicity Party would like to draft a position on the Altenburg re-development to the extent that this is needed and relevant.

Can anyone tell me what is the status of the re-development and if any plans exist for this at the moment?

Sudane Erato · Post by **Sudane Erato** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:38 am

[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":12zucs9x]The Simplicity Party would like to draft a position on the Altenburg re-development to the extent that this is needed and relevant.

Can anyone tell me what is the status of the re-development and if any plans exist for this at the moment?[/quote:12zucs9x]
The Altenburg and Schloss areas of NFS have both been held off the market pending re-development. A number of ideas have been circulated about rebuilding and/or re-purposing the Schloss, and at least one sketch exists for parceling and new streets in the Altenburg area. But no plan has achieved any momentum, and in my opinion the redevelopment of the whole Schloss/Altenburg area should be freshly studied.

The Schloss, in particular, is an interesting dilemma. Ulrika originally commissioned Kendra to build it as a private building, although one which she (Ulrika) planned to offer for citizens' use. It was never finished, and, after the putsch which removed Ulrika from power, there was considerable sentiment to tear it down. However, for the ocassion of the Inaugural Ball last August, all sorts of improvements and ammenities were added, and many people have expressed the idea that perhaps it can be preserved and used as an event space. Were this to happen, considerable renovation would still need to occur, as the area of the parcel on which it sits is not fully utilized.

I'd be happy to contribute to any re-development planning effort.

Sudane.....

Beathan · Post by **Beathan** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:37 am

In defense of the Schloss -- it is on several SL tourist "must see" lists. I have met at least two people who visited NF just to see the Schloss. These folks were very impressed with the Schloss, especially the ballroom.

Elsewhere, there was a proposal to actively market our church for use in SL weddings. The Schloss would serve as the reception hall. Indeed, it is almost ideal for that purpose.

If we cannot interest SL wedding planners to use our facilities instead of theirs, we should steal away an assistant wedding planner and set them up to use the facilities in NF.

I am not sure what to do in the Altenburg areas, but it certainly deserves more discussion. I think that the reformed Guild should set up a permantent build and sim improvement group, which could first focus on Alterburg redevelopment and then move to other areas.

Beathan

Sudane Erato · Post by **Sudane Erato** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:09 am

[quote="Beathan":4oy44e8o]
Elsewhere, there was a proposal to actively market our church for use in SL weddings. The Schloss would serve as the reception hall. Indeed, it is almost ideal for that purpose. [/quote:4oy44e8o]
Yes, I agree, that's a great idea. (One that Salzie had suggested last August). But the Schloss needs "finishing". Throughout it are unfinished plywood textures, which I find really ugly. The tower rooms are incomplete, and could be much improved. Finally, the large "outside" ballroom area I added on for the August Ball. It's quite fine, but there is a huge volume of raw, unused space underneath it, which, if nothing else, should be nicely landscaped.

We should also not neglect some of the other fine suggestions made for that area. In particular, both the School and the "Halls of Justice" have been proposed for Schloss Hill, springing from the concepts that the pinacles of our community are rightly learning, philosophy and justice.

Whatever we decide to do eventually, the redevlopment of both areas is an exciting prospect. I look forward to it.

Sudane.....

Beathan · Post by **Beathan** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:22 am

Sudane --

I think we have perfectly good "Halls of Justice" in the Praetoria. I also don't see that our school is insufficient, although it is underused. I would hate to see us lose a unique building, the Schloss, which has unique funcationality and instead construct a building that duplicates the use of other existing structures. However, I think that the Schloss can be used, in its current configuration, as a spill-over building from both the Court and the School.

By all means, we should finish the Schloss. In fact, we should probably prioritize the finishing of the Schloss above the finishing of the Altenburg because it can be but to immediate use.

Beathan

Aliasi Stonebender · Post by **Aliasi Stonebender** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:39 pm

Well, Altenburg is the simpler task in theory; really, it was just a large in-wall parcel owned by Kendra when you get down to it; there's no reason it could not be simply reparceled.

The Schloss is a more complex job, on the other hand. Still, now that the holidays are almost over (just the New Year, here!) I think we can turn our attention to it - hopefully, the government post-election will still have an interest, hm?

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:12 pm

[quote="Aliasi Stonebender":2bit86mo]Well, Altenburg is the simpler task ... when you get down to it; there's no reason it could not be simply reparceled.[/quote:2bit86mo]
Definitely true! However since the NFS sim is already generating a revenue, since there's no reason to saw off the branch we're sitting on in terms of wanting to address demand by expanding to a third sim asap and finally since little, low-prim, foggy parcels does not seem to be on a par with the latest state of the art in housing (we can't even offer the tenants prim lots since to my knowledge there is only one left - the P280-19) wouldn't it be a good idea to consider the Altenburg re-development as an opportunity to re-vitalise our community through the creative use of land?

Here's a few ideas to toss around:
1) Tie the plot in with the ideas advanced by Jon, Moon and Beathan regarding a New Guild that could offer guest residence for talented but unendowed builders/artists. Possibly the Altenburg lot could be made into some sort of Artist's retreat.

2) Alternatively, we could make the Altenburg lot a huge builder's playground - although the NFS School already has some skyboxes and there's the big hall beneath the Marktplatz perhaps Altenburg has more merit as a sort of living laboratory where builder's works can be put on exhibit / tried out for a limited period.

3) We could turn the old Altenburg into a huge city park with recreative functions utilising the best of our builders' landscaping talents. The park function could be coupled with recreative activities and artistic displays.

4) A sort of fairground attraction? Bumper cars? Carousels? Shooting gallery? Theatre? Concert venue? Ice skating rink?

5) Guildhall?

I note that #2 and #3 have the benefit of possibly accommodating and transforming between #1 and #4 with a built in dynamic component that might well be the factor that brings builders and citizens at large together in enjoyment of the "Park Altenburg".

As for the SchloÃŸ I'm personally inclined to have it demolished in one huge explosion, which could possibly become an attraction in itself. We cound then suitably replace it with an Opera House. a waterfall or something of equally impressive magnitude.

Aliasi Stonebender · Post by **Aliasi Stonebender** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:38 am

[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":1835ade5]
Here's a few ideas to toss around:
1) Tie the plot in with the ideas advanced by Jon, Moon and Beathan regarding a New Guild that could offer guest residence for talented but unendowed builders/artists. Possibly the Altenburg lot could be made into some sort of Artist's retreat.
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I do like this one. It's a good place for it, and, in a way, it'd be [i:1835ade5]appropriate[/i:1835ade5].

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2) Alternatively, we could make the Altenburg lot a huge builder's playground - although the NFS School already has some skyboxes and there's the big hall beneath the Marktplatz perhaps Altenburg has more merit as a sort of living laboratory where builder's works can be put on exhibit / tried out for a limited period.
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I'd rather devote such space in a new sim, where we could make it more suitable for such.

Moon Adamant · Post by **Moon Adamant** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:29 am

Hello everyone, several comments:

on Schloss:
i personally find it a bit too big and tall, and would favour the moving of School up there - School is a prettier build and not so overwhelming in scale. It would also allow for a prettier green framing.

I agree nevertheless that if it stays, it should be finished. Aliasi sometime ago was talking about a texture check on the NFS sim - which is very needed. As Sudane mentions, we do have a few plywoods in the schloss - and the building could do with some overall retexturing.

If it stays also, it should be given some use and not just be a scenic thingy. It has lots of space, maybe some of it could be used for functions that are already called in and which aren't met yet. Namely, the SC has been hanging around about just anywhere for two years - not having a space of their own.

(Btw - and should be first of all - CAN we mod it?)

on Altenburg:

Here i do tend to agree more with a residential function, either under a Guild's plots solution or a normal development plan. My reasoning on this is that NFS does indeed have an excess of public land, as it was realized previously and which conducted to a quite distinct allotment in CN.
I also think that any new functional structures should be used to provide urban 'anchors' to new sims. This would allow us to link any new sim aesthetically to either the roman or the german style - which would be handy in terms of territorial development - and we would instead draw the sim plan around a significant build which would become also a community focus.

Another thing that we should think about is that the Rathaus in its current layout holds 12 seats. With previsibly more RA reps anytime soon, and the attendance of Chancellor, Dean, Treasurer, other public officers, and general public it is beginning to get a bit cramped.

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:50 am

[quote="Moon Adamant":1nkdtbt2]on Schloss:
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(Btw - and should be first of all - CAN we mod it?)
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If we cannot I say nuke it!

[quote="Moon Adamant":1nkdtbt2]
on Altenburg:
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Here i do tend to agree more with a residential function, either under a Guild's plots solution or a normal development plan. [/quote:1nkdtbt2]
Okay it seems there is significant momentum behind this idea. How far can we go on the basis of this? Can the Chancellor draw up some plans on her own initiative? Does it need to be passed as a decision by the RA? If the latter I think it is safe to say that the Simplicity Party can support the idea. I am sure Beathan will be able to work the Altenburg re-development into his proposal. Maybe we can visit the place with Aliasi, Moon, Sudane or another parcel/prim/city planning expert to look at the exact area and discuss possible concepts for how it might be implemented as a concept that supports guild housing for aspiring builders.

One aspect that needs to be thought into this is :- will there be enough prims for individual owners? Remember that the P280 prim bank parcels are fully sold out so new residents in a possible Altenburg "Artists' Retreat" will have to have parcels big enough to supply the prims needed both for their home and furnishing needs and possibly also for their building projects. I think I'll go look into how many prims the current Altenburg parcel supports at some point.

Kendra Bancroft · Post by **Kendra Bancroft** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:30 pm

I'd like to remind you all that the name "Altenburg" is owned exclusively by me, Kendra Bancroft, and is part of the "Altenburg Gruppe" which is a an agency I use to build historical builds for people on commission.

It was, is and will always be a private enterprise of my own. The fact that it once had a life within the walls of what is now Neufreistadt does not entitle Neufreistadt to the use of the name Altenburg.

Flyingroc Chung · Post by **Flyingroc Chung** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:35 pm

Kendra, maybe you can sue the city. We have a shiny new judiciary system just waiting to be tested out.

Ashcroft Burnham · Post by **Ashcroft Burnham** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:38 pm

[quote="Kendra Bancroft":xjomy4du]I'd like to remind you all that the name "Altenburg" is owned exclusively by me, Kendra Bancroft, and is part of the "Altenburg Gruppe" which is a an agency I use to build historical builds for people on commission.

It was, is and will always be a private enterprise of my own. The fact that it once had a life within the walls of what is now Neufreistadt does not entitle Neufreistadt to the use of the name Altenburg.[/quote:xjomy4du]

Hmm, is that right? I'm not an expert in IP law, but, if I remember correctly, names are only covered if they are trademarks. I'm not entirely sure what the legal ingredients are for trademarks - I do not think that merely inventing a name and using it suffices, however. Whether Kendra has done more than that is another matter.

Kendra - do you think that "Altenburg" is a trademark? If so, can you give us an outline of how?

Beathan · Post by **Beathan** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:46 pm

I propose that we simply rename "Altenburg" to "Kendraltenburg" and move on.

Beathan

Flyingroc Chung · Post by **Flyingroc Chung** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:48 pm

How about "Altenaltenburg", to show that it is the old altenburg spot; or "Neualtenburg" to say that is is the new version of .... er. nvm.

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