Altenburg?

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:52 pm

[quote="Ashcroft Burnham":3f3ya52h]As far as I understand it, Kendra's objection, whether well-founded or not, is to the official attribution of the name to the area, of which your use of it in conversation is evidence.[/quote:3f3ya52h]
And how do you reach the conclusion by your much touted reasoning capabilities that my use of the word in citizen to citizen communication is evidence as to the official attribution of the name to the area?

Kendra Bancroft · Post by **Kendra Bancroft** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:55 pm

[quote="TOPGenosse":gvxksoqj]By the way, Kendra,

are you the one who designed the 'Fette Henne' in the Rathaus?
It's great! [/quote:gvxksoqj]

I think that was Moon Adamant who designed the coat of arms there.

She is one of the most talented artisans in SL, as I'm sure all will agree.

Kendra Bancroft · Post by **Kendra Bancroft** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:56 pm

[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":1b11jr0w][quote="Ashcroft Burnham":1b11jr0w]As far as I understand it, Kendra's objection, whether well-founded or not, is to the official attribution of the name to the area, of which your use of it in conversation is evidence.[/quote:1b11jr0w]
And how do you reach the conclusion by your much touted reasoning capabilities that my use of the word in citizen to citizen communication is evidence as to the official attribution of the name to the area?[/quote:1b11jr0w]

I think it was your mention of naming it "Park Altenburg"

Ashcroft Burnham · Post by **Ashcroft Burnham** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:04 pm

[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":rn2vani5]And how do you reach the conclusion by your much touted reasoning capabilities that my use of the word in citizen to citizen communication is evidence as to the official attribution of the name to the area?[/quote:rn2vani5]

Because it is customary to call places by their official name. See also Kendra's reply.

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:11 pm

[quote="Kendra Bancroft":3dgc9iur]I think it was your mention of naming it "Park Altenburg"[/quote:3dgc9iur]
And who made me the official manager of street names in the CDS?

As someone familiar with the creative process I am certain that you have practiced many times the playful exercise of tossing around ideas of which one of the basic tenets is that one should not be much bothered with assessing critically the pros and cons and practical feasibility of the proposals, ideas and inspiration that arise but leave that to a later stage possibly even done by other people.

The quoted text was fabricated perhaps in the space of what amounts to 60 seconds, which quite naturally means that not much analytical thought of the sort mentioned in the above can be put in there as well.

I have no intention now or later to build into my brainstorming any explicit self-censorship out of a desire not to step on anyone's toes.

As you can see from the response to the other posters engaging in the creative generation of ideas with responses of constructive criticism they have all been acknowledged from recognition of the fact that the initial posting was generated in a rather short space and predominantly based on my own thoughts of what might work in my own little pet project "The Waterfall Garden Collective."

If your desire is for civil and courteous responses and unencouraged adherence to the gentleman's agreement that you believe was the outcome of you throwing out lawful SC members from their rightful role as moderators of the SL Neualtenburg forum then I think it might be helpful if you considered adorning your own posts with the same kind of civility. Barging into a creative discussion with no further ado and producing a statement that by many including myself was perceived to be an IP claim with a cease and desist request backed up by implied threats of legal action is not my idea of civil and courteous conversation.

As regards your reference to vitriol .. well as far as I remember I was the one wishing you a happy new year.

Beathan · Post by **Beathan** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:11 pm

OK -- So "Park Altenburg" is out. How about the "Ulrika and Kendra Memorial Park"? We could then use it to build the statue of Ashcroft, the lawgiver, I have been hearing about -- surrounded by Oni's wax figures of other citizens, bowing of course.

Beathan

Kendra Bancroft · Post by **Kendra Bancroft** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:14 pm

[quote="Beathan":1p8pqsmb]OK -- So "Park Altenburg" is out. How about the "Ulrika and Kendra Memorial Park"? We could then use it to build the statue of Ashcroft, the lawgiver, I have been hearing about -- surrounded by Oni's wax figures of other citizens, bowing of course.

Beathan[/quote:1p8pqsmb]

Or one could call it Sudlichtor, or Southern Gate.

Which in fact was it's original name.

Sleazy_Writer · Post by **Sleazy_Writer** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:16 pm

[quote="Beathan":3kfi4zhq]OK -- So "Park Altenburg" is out. How about the "Ulrika and Kendra Memorial Park"? We could then use it to build the statue of Ashcroft, the lawgiver, I have been hearing about -- surrounded by Oni's wax figures of other citizens, bowing of course.
Beathan[/quote:3kfi4zhq]

hahahah - wonderful, you've got my blessing.

Kendra Bancroft · Post by **Kendra Bancroft** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:18 pm

[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":37eyh1e0][quote="Kendra Bancroft":37eyh1e0]I think it was your mention of naming it "Park Altenburg"[/quote:37eyh1e0]
And who made me the official manager of street names in the CDS?

As someone familiar with the creative process I am certain that you have practiced many times the playful exercise of tossing around ideas of which one of the basic tenets is that one should not be much bothered with assessing critically the pros and cons and practical feasibility of the proposals, ideas and inspiration that arise but leave that to a later stage possibly even done by other people.

The quoted text was fabricated perhaps in the space of what amounts to 60 seconds, which quite naturally means that not much analytical thought of the sort mentioned in the above can be put in there as well.

I have no intention now or later to build into my brainstorming any explicit self-censorship out of a desire not to step on anyone's toes.

As you can see from the response to the other posters engaging in the creative generation of ideas with responses of constructive criticism they have all been acknowledged from recognition of the fact that the initial posting was generated in a rather short space and predominantly based on my own thoughts of what might work in my own little pet project "The Waterfall Garden Collective."

If your desire is for civil and courteous responses and unencouraged adherence to the gentleman's agreement that you believe was the outcome of you throwing out lawful SC members from their rightful role as moderators of the SL Neualtenburg forum then I think it might be helpful if you considered adorning your own posts with the same kind of civility. Barging into a creative discussion with no further ado and producing a statement that by many including myself was perceived to be an IP claim with a cease and desist request backed up by implied threats of legal action is not my idea of civil and courteous conversation.

As regards your reference to vitriol .. well as far as I remember I was the one wishing you a happy new year.[/quote:37eyh1e0]

still a pompous ass, I see.

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:21 pm

[quote="Ashcroft Burnham":5440uvlk]Because it is customary to call places by their official name.[/quote:5440uvlk]
I see! Does that mean I should in the future refer to your place as "1415 Ulrikastrasse" rather than "Ashcroft's home" if I want to conform with customs or is your statement possibly just a bland assertion?

Kendra Bancroft · Post by **Kendra Bancroft** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:23 pm

[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":348aqgbb][quote="Ashcroft Burnham":348aqgbb]Because it is customary to call places by their official name.[/quote:348aqgbb]
I see! Does that mean I should in the future refer to your place as "1415 Ulrikastrasse" rather than "Ashcroft's home" if I want to conform with customs or is your statement possibly just a bland assertion?[/quote:348aqgbb]

Ashcroft still lives there. Altenburg does not.

Ashcroft Burnham · Post by **Ashcroft Burnham** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:25 pm

Diderot, I am very puzzled by your response. I cannot conceive how you think that Kendra was suggesting that you censor yourself: it is quite obvious to me that she was asking that the place not be called "Park Altenburg" because she had ownership of the name "Altenburg". It did indeed appear to be making some sort of IP claim to the name, although Kendra has since clarified that point. There really is no need to be uncivil to anyone, whether you think that they are asserting an IP right or merely asking you to respect a gentleman's agreement.

Kendra Bancroft · Post by **Kendra Bancroft** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:29 pm

[quote="Ashcroft Burnham":2hnu7yjd]Diderot, I am very puzzled by your response. I cannot conceive how you think that Kendra was suggesting that you censor yourself: it is quite obvious to me that she was asking that the place not be called "Park Altenburg" because she had ownership of the name "Altenburg". It did indeed appear to be making some sort of IP claim to the name, although Kendra has since clarified that point. There really is no need to be uncivil to anyone, whether you think that they are asserting an IP right or merely asking you to respect a gentleman's agreement.[/quote:2hnu7yjd]

I have no intention of waging any pitched battle over the name Altenburg.

I would be disappointed if it was used, and I would re-think my recent warmer feelings towards Neufreistadt, but as we yiddische say --Go Gezundt.

Ashcroft Burnham · Post by **Ashcroft Burnham** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:30 pm

[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":3cnkso3n]I see! Does that mean I should in the future refer to your place as "1415 Ulrikastrasse" rather than "Ashcroft's home" if I want to conform with customs or is your statement possibly just a bland assertion?[/quote:3cnkso3n]

Customary does not entail compulsory; you really are making less sense with each post. The parcel name on the "About land" box for the area is still "Altenburg" - it has been since before I came to Neufreistadt. Calling a place by a name implies that that name is the official name of that place. That does not, and cannot conceivably be understood to, mean that one is compelled to call a place only by its official name.

And, really, what on earth is the point of getting into a flame war with Kendra over the name of a small chunk of Neufreistadt that we are considering redeveloping (in relation to the substance of which, incidentally, it might be helpful to do some market research before we decide what to do with the place)?

Ashcroft Burnham · Post by **Ashcroft Burnham** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:32 pm

[quote="Kendra Bancroft":2ujx53ej]I have no intention of waging any pitched battle over the name Altenburg.

I would be disappointed if it was used, and I would re-think my recent warmer feelings towards Neufreistadt, but as we yiddische say --Go Gezundt.[/quote:2ujx53ej]

Well, quite: I have no idea why Diderot is waging a one-man pitched battle, nor why he is trying to re-freeze the Port Nuealtenburg-CDS glasnost.