CDS Club Nights

[Carolyn Saarinen]

I've just found out that my favourite SL club, Des Les, has re-opened on a new site. While I have not yet spoken to the owner about this present proposal, a thought occurs to me:[b:2sz4bnqv] CDS Club Nights[/b:2sz4bnqv]. Let's get an experienced club entrepreneur, to stage regular events at our sims. CN certainly has a much under-utilised ampitheatre. NFS, with re-development in prospect, could acquire a similar venue. I had many a wonderful night at the old Des Les. Perhaps this could be an effective way of attracting new citizens.

Oh, and it might also mean that when I offer to take a friend dancing, I can actually do that instead of going to some griefer-zone ruled by the Lag Monster

[michelmanen]

This is a great idea. I am in the process of finishing building a multi-purpose auditorium outside the city walls. Becase CRAEDO is a non-profit organization, i have acquired a holodeck capable of accomodating its size. Therefore, it will be very easy to move bot only from a "conference room" venue to a "lecture" venueand to a "debating" venue", but also to a "dancing club venue" and other forms of entertainment.

The auditorium being a buidling build for public purposes (although privately owned), we could put up a time schedule where any citizen or group could book the venue for their needs when not in use by its owners.

[Diderot Mirabeau]

I don't wish to be seen as the partykiller here but I have a feeling these provisions in our covenants might at present stand in the way of realising a dance club within the CDS sims:
[quote="Neufreistadt Covenant":115jwwno]Clubs are not permitted anywhere in the city.[/quote:115jwwno]
[quote="Colonia Nova Covenant":115jwwno]Clubs are not permitted[/quote:115jwwno]
[quote="michelmanen":115jwwno]Becase CRAEDO is a non-profit organization, i have acquired a holodeck capable of accomodating its size.[/quote:115jwwno]
I'm not sure I understand the causal relation in this sentence.

This is just an idea but perhaps CARE should campaign on a platform of abolishing the covenants and bring us on a par with the mainland. I notice that michel in a related thread wrote this as what I understand to be an illustration of CARE principles?
[quote="michelmanen":115jwwno]If we truly value diversity, we cannot interpret our laws in such restrictive a manner as to ban, for all intents and purposes, anyone who doesn't behave, think and act like the majority of our citizens -and does so within the reasonable bounds of a good neighbour.[/quote:115jwwno]

[michelmanen]

Dont use this for party political purposes!

Nobody said we should have a club here permanently. All i said was, that because of holodeck facilities, should we decide to have a function including dancing, we could easily rezz the necessary environment for that occasion, and de-rezz it immediately thereafter. We would then still be in full compliance with the covenant.

As to the other matter you mention, I think that it falls squarely within the bounds authorized by our covenants. CARE is a great supporter of our covenants - but not of their overy rigid interpretation, which puts a strict and unreasonable intrpretation ahead of the intent and purpose behind its stipulations.

[Diderot Mirabeau]

[quote="michelmanen":1fkox8zv]Dont use this for party political purposes![/quote:1fkox8zv]
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "using it for party political purposes."

What I am saying is simply that as I see it the present covenants prevent erecting a club in the sim and in order to work around that you either need to get one of these socalled "dispensations" from the Chancellor or to campaign/work democratically through the RA to have that or as many provisions as you wish removed. Since I notice that you take issue with several provisions of our covenants I simply got the idea that you could "swat more flies in one go" by going through the covenants systematically to abolish those you find to be unreasonable.

[quote="michelmanen":1fkox8zv]As a CARE member, Sadako would of course benefit from the help of other CARE members with legal skills in the (unlikely) event such charges would be brought against her.[/quote:1fkox8zv]
Incidentally, how is this relevant to the discussion thread of the permissibility of some nude pictures in any other way than as a party political plug?

[Aliasi Stonebender]

One problem with that is, currently, both sims are primarily residential with 'low impact' commercial activity. I am of the opinion that the purpose of 'no clubs' is to prevent the very common activity on the mainland of a club moving in, camping chairs and all, and causing the sim to slug to a halt while only actually possessing a small fraction of the land in it.

In a CDS context, I feel this means no permanent dance club would be desirable. However, there's a line between any well-attended event and a regular club. My [i:3l5cyznw]personal[/i:3l5cyznw] opinion is the occasional party in the sim would not be a bad thing at all; a dedicated club would be, [i:3l5cyznw]in the context of our current sims' purpose[/i:3l5cyznw]. In my other 'home', Suffugium, we have two DJs that regularly throw shows, and a live music performance in talks; I think making specific events for a once-per-week deal is permissible (so long as you aren't conflicting with some other regular event; lagging the sim during an RA meeting will make nobody happy).

Which means a 'heavy impact commercial activity' covenant would be a very good idea to consider in a future sim, if you'd like to see a dedicated place of this kind!

[michelmanen]

[quote:fqvr1gn5]
michelmanen wrote:
Dont use this for party political purposes!

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "using it for party political purposes."[/quote:fqvr1gn5]

The discussion was purely about organizing one event in CN, from time to time. You took that and brought into it the CARE platform. That is what I mean.

[quote:fqvr1gn5]What I am saying is simply that as I see it the present covenants prevent erecting a club in the sim and in order to work around that you either need to get one of these socalled "dispensations" from the Chancellor or to campaign/work democratically through the RA to have that or as many provisions as you wish removed.[/quote:fqvr1gn5]

Can you please show me where I mentioned I was erecting or planning to erect a club? I simply said, that currently available holodeck technnology allows us to rezz in certain buildings environments that would allow us, for a brief time, to organize various events, including a dance. Nothing in the covenants forbids that.

[quote:fqvr1gn5] Since I notice that you take issue with several provisions of our covenants I simply got the idea that you could "swat more flies in one go" by going through the covenants systematically to abolish those you find to be unreasonable.[/quote:fqvr1gn5]

I do not "take issue with several provisions of our covenants". I simply do not believe that what they actually say and mean is as rigid and strict as you seem to imply, or as TOP seemed to. And in any case, suggesting that i would seek to be "going through the covenants systematically to abolish those you find to be unreasonable" is nothing if not facetious, since you know fully well that this is not how CARE arrives at its policy positions.

[quote:fqvr1gn5]michelmanen wrote:
As a CARE member, Sadako would of course benefit from the help of other CARE members with legal skills in the (unlikely) event such charges would be brought against her.

Incidentally, how is this relevant to the discussion thread of the permissibility of some nude pictures in any other way than as a party political plug?[/quote:fqvr1gn5]

The relevance is that TOP mentioned the issue might me taken in front of a judicial body, and I wanted to make sure eveyone is aware that, given the anarchic state of our current judicial system, Sadako will be well represented if she is in a situation requiring such representation and should she desire such representation. Given that she is already a CARE member, I do not see where the "a party political plug" is. The NAACP also took on pro bono cases of individuals who they felt were wronged. We are in no way different.

[Beathan]

Interesting question here. Is a "squat" venue a club under the prohibition on clubs? Reminds me of the old rave days. That would even make a good lawschool land use exam question.

Beathan

[Carolyn Saarinen]

Ok, I withdraw my proposal.

TOPGenosse suggests putting art in our art space. And there's a row.

I suggest putting entertainment in our entertainment space. And there's a row.

I have a new proposal: Let's do nothing. Anywhere. Ever.

Will that make people happy?

[Flyingroc Chung]

Hehehe, Carolyn, if we do nothing, there's *still* gonna be a row. It's the nature of the forums.

[michelmanen]

That's Foucauldian politics for you... hihihihihi......

[Aliasi Stonebender]

[quote="Carolyn Saarinen":3hzvycud]Ok, I withdraw my proposal.

TOPGenosse suggests putting art in our art space. And there's a row.

I suggest putting entertainment in our entertainment space. And there's a row.

I have a new proposal: Let's do nothing. Anywhere. Ever.

Will that make people happy? [/quote:3hzvycud]

Heh, NOTHING gets by without some 'discussion' around here.

That said, I'm personally behind the idea of throwing some dance parties.

[Carolyn Saarinen]

[quote="Aliasi Stonebender":3aae9fd1]
Heh, NOTHING gets by without some 'discussion' around here.

That said, I'm personally behind the idea of throwing some dance parties. [/quote:3aae9fd1]

I'll have a word with her, see if she'd be interested. Not
that there's a DJ shortage in SL anyway.