Forum warning

[Carolyn Saarinen]

Readers may note that I have been issued with a forum admin warning, from Diderot Mirabaeu, for calling Patroklus a bigot on the, apparently, shaky grounds that a person who holds offensive, unsubstantiated opinions and expresses them on a public forum might, actually, [i:f2bkszj3]be[/i:f2bkszj3] a bigot.

Diderot has now taken a personal message that I sent him on this matter and published it on these forums without informing me or gaining my consent, and chosen to interpret it as an appeal against his decision.

Patroklus has posted a response to say he isn't posting a response - a typical oxymoron - and when [i:f2bkszj3]I[/i:f2bkszj3] try to post a response I'm told that I'm not allowed to. Well why should I be? I'm only a landowner, citizen and voter. Who wants to hear from me? Certainly not the un-elected SC.

I propose that I, and anyone else who has the audacity to disagree with the established oldtimers, be permanently banned from this forum.

[Diderot Mirabeau]

Is there a particular point in this message? Do you want the appeal to not be considered after all?

[Ashcroft Burnham]

More evidence that virtually nobody here has the first clue as to how to achieve justice or fairness.

[Beathan]

Ash writes

[quote:1k79rlkl]More evidence that virtually nobody here has the first clue as to how to achieve justice or fairness.[/quote:1k79rlkl]

This criticism is wholly unfair. As the only (other?) person who has appealed a forum moderation decision, I have found the process accessible, transparent, meaningful and fair (if a bit slow). My own appeal is proceeding. I'm not happy with the way it is going (I appear to be losing), but I have no complaint with the process, the reasoning expressed thus-far in the process, or the essential justice and fairness of the process.

Frankly, it is a huge improvement on the alternative process -- judicial action under Ash's JA -- which I found, in prospect if (thankfully) not in practice, to be both daunting and deficient.

Beathan

[Samantha Fuller]

What a comic mess.

Carolyn we have informal appeals around here and you have seeem to followed procedure (possibly by mistake) of notifing a member of the SC, nor were you censored, the section of the fourm you origanialy tried to post to is limited to members of th SC only specificaly to stop flaming.

Diderot the post of yours refrenced as containg a quote of the origanal post seems to be a misquote - probbly a mashup of the deleted post and a post two entries up. we have enough trouble with acruate quotes out of contex or with spin please don't add to the confusion.

Ashcroft this thread says nothing about our abbilities to acheave Justice or fairness, simply because nobody involved wants justice or even fairness

What is wanted and hoped for is explanations, tolerance, a chance to vent, & someone to make sympathetic noises.

What is also wanted and [u:1o8112bt]needed[/u:1o8112bt] is comon sense, forberance, and posibly an apollogy or two.

[Beathan]

Samantha --

I don't think that Diderot misquoted the original post. I think it was edited after he quoted it, which might represent a good faith attempt by Carolyn to respond to and correct the basis of the objection to her post.

Beathan

[Samantha Fuller]

Bethan that was my first thought to, but that leves a line that says "Last edited by (name) on (Date & Time) (Number) times total". It was (and is at this tme) comspicously absent at the time of my post.

Reason for (1st)edit punction & example

Reason for 2ond edit example diden't work.

Mm apperently i was wrong about how the forum works, I appologise to all.

3rd edit
Anyone Know why the system tags some edits and not others ?

[Carolyn Saarinen]

[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":31l2r6hf]Is there a particular point in this message? Do you want the appeal to not be considered after all?[/quote:31l2r6hf]

That's right Diderot, I am [i:31l2r6hf]not[/i:31l2r6hf] making an appeal, because I do not acknowledge that you have any right to censor my opinions.

[i:31l2r6hf]Non Servitam[/i:31l2r6hf]

[Diderot Mirabeau]

[quote="Carolyn Saarinen":2zk2lok1]That's right Diderot, I am [i:2zk2lok1]not[/i:2zk2lok1] making an appeal[/quote:2zk2lok1]
Right. As long as you know what you are doing..

[Carolyn Saarinen]

[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":2dulbx0n][quote="Carolyn Saarinen":2dulbx0n]That's right Diderot, I am [i:2dulbx0n]not[/i:2dulbx0n] making an appeal[/quote:2dulbx0n]
Right. As long as you know what you are doing..[/quote:2dulbx0n]

Oooh scary ellipsis. Go ahead and do your worst you authoritarian shithead.

[i:2dulbx0n]Non Servitam[/i:2dulbx0n]

[Sleazy_Writer]

Why don't we all give each other a big hug?

[Diderot Mirabeau]

[quote="Carolyn Saarinen":34atooh2]Go ahead and do your worst you authoritarian shithead.
[/quote:34atooh2]
This childish statement reflects more on you than it does on me I believe.

EDIT: Thread re-opened after FR's pointing out inappropriateness of performing moderation in threads regarding oneself.

[michelmanen]

All this raises serious rule of law issues regarding the ability of a moderator who is an SC member to sit in judgement upon his / her own actions and therefore, perceptions of fairness and legitimacy in the CDS community as a whole.

The solution is simple: our impartial judiciary must handle such matters, and any moderator involved in such a dispute who is also a member of the SC must recuse himslef/herself from any final SC decision in such a matter.

[Gxeremio Dimsum]

[quote="michelmanen":c87dffsp]All this raises serious rule of law issues regarding the ability of a moderator who is an SC member to sit in judgement upon his / her own actions and therefore, perceptions of fairness and legitimacy in the CDS community as a whole.

The solution is simple: our impartial judiciary must handle such matters, and any moderator involved in such a dispute who is also a member of the SC must recuse himslef/herself from any final SC decision in such a matter.[/quote:c87dffsp]

Impartiality is definitely a goal, but a judiciary is not necessarily the right solution to forum moderation. We saw this not long ago, when the Chief Judge appealed to forum moderation, then made us all aware he was the one who would be moderating.

To be honest, I think we need LESS moderation on the forums, and a public record of edits too (a la wikis), because our community meets here more than inworld.

[Oni Jiutai]

[quote:3a8fkghc]We saw this not long ago, when the Chief Judge appealed to forum moderation, then made us all aware he was the one who would be moderating.[/quote:3a8fkghc]

In fairness, what Ash said was that appeals from forum moderation were to the Courts (which was indubitably right at the time) and made it clear that he couldn't - for fairly obvious ethical reasons - hear the case so another judge would have to take it.